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Fighting cats: Old vs. New

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JMZ - 30 Aug 2005 21:01 GMT
I'm sure this has been brought up many, many times, but instead of
searching through everyone's specific posts, I figured it would be
easier to explain my situation.

We took in a 4 month kitten (female -- unfixed -- getting fixed this
Friday) about 2 weeks ago.  We did all the recommended steps about
keeping the new cat isolated from the old cat (who is 2 and female),
each having their own space, litter boxes, food and water dishes.
Slowly introducing them under supervision.  Switching them so that the
old cat is in the new cat's room for a bit.  Everything.

Then we finally let the new cat out (took 5 days to do this) for a bit
to wander around while the old cat was out.  The next night we tried
letting the new cat sleep with us.  The next morning the old cat peed
on the bed.  I know that's a territory thing.  We ended up having to
buy new blankets (I used this as an excuse, really), and it hasn't
happened since.  Slowly the two started playing with each other  --
basically batting at each other and chasing each other around.  The old
cat acted scared or put out with the new cat sometimes, but she never
hurt her.

Until yesterday.  Yesterday it was like the dam broke, and the old cat
finally knocked the new cat down on her back, pinned her down and
started biting her hard enough to make the new cat cry out.  I
separated them, and the new cat who on many levels only views this as
playing, ran after the old cat and the same thing happened again.  But
later on they were okay with each other.  This morning we had the same
incident, where old cat just looses it and attacked new cat.  Since new
cat is young and little, she can't get out of the old cat's grasp.  She
really has no defense except for me and my husband.  I had to take old
cat away and let her cool off.

We left them alone today -- which we've been doing since last Friday --
and I'm hoping I don't come home to a blood bath.  I'm thinking old cat
is getting fed up with the new cat's energy and wanting to play so
much, but I have no idea if it's that (easily solved -- take new cat
away and play with her till she poops out) or if old cat wants to
really hurt new cat.  I keep checking for blood, and so far, so good --
but I can see it happening.  Our old cat has a bit of a temper when
she's fed up with things.

Any suggestions?  Ideas?  Similar situations?  I really don't want to
get rid of the kitten, but if it comes down to her life quality being
diminished from our old cat constantly beating her up, I would have to.
This makes me really sad.
rpl - 30 Aug 2005 21:27 GMT
> I'm sure this has been brought up many, many times, but instead of
> searching through everyone's specific posts, I figured it would be
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> diminished from our old cat constantly beating her up, I would have to.
>  This makes me really sad.

Older cats find kittens to be pests.

In a bit of turnabout, a kitten a couple years ago is now the biggest
cat I have and she doesn't take guff from anybody.

pat
greymaus - 30 Aug 2005 21:34 GMT
> I'm sure this has been brought up many, many times,..[snip] the old cat
> finally knocked the new cat down on her back, pinned her down and
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>
> Any suggestions?  Ideas?  Similar situations?  

Well, I shouldn't worry too much. I have four of the little meowers around
here, and they fight like...well, like cats and dogs. You'd swear they were
gonna kill each other! But never a claw, never a drop of blood do I see.
This has been going on for 25 years with a dozen different cats, young,
old, young and old, and they've all survived.

Keep an eye on 'em, though. There ARE some territorial issues involved, but
cats don't usually kill each other over 'em. It's usually play; and even
2-year-olds like to play. Unless there's obvious anger involved, I'd say
let 'em play.
curlyQlink - 03 Sep 2005 03:55 GMT
> Well, I shouldn't worry too much. I have four of the little meowers around
> here, and they fight like...well, like cats and dogs. You'd swear they were
> gonna kill each other! But never a claw, never a drop of blood do I see.
> This has been going on for 25 years with a dozen different cats, young,
> old, young and old, and they've all survived.

This is very encouraging!  We are in a similar situation with our cat and
new kitten.  The kitten plays with the older (6yrs) cat's tail until she
turns around and whollops the kitten.  There's also chasing involved,
occassional hissing, an occassional nip or two.  It was the nipping that had
me worried.  And I was beginning to wonder if the kitten was stupid for not
learning to leave the older cat in peace.  But apparently it's just their
idea of fun.
5cats - 30 Aug 2005 21:58 GMT
> We took in a 4 month kitten (female -- unfixed -- getting fixed this
> Friday) about 2 weeks ago.

For the most part, that sounds like normal cat behavior. With the old one
letting the newcomer know who's boss. My 5 cats get along remarkably well,
but they still have occasional squabbles over who gets the most desirable
window seat or just for no visable reason at all.

One suggestion I have, is that when the little one comes home from the vet
after getting fixed, keep her separated for a few days so the stitches have
time to heal. Then you may have to go through the (re)introduction routine
again over the course of a few days or a week.
JMZ - 31 Aug 2005 01:43 GMT
I didn't even think of that -- I knew my kitten would need time to
heal, I just never thought about keeping them separated after the first
day home.

Thank you all for your responses.  I'm really worried about this and
admittedly, I'm new to having two cats at once, and I haven't had a
kitten in YEARS.  So I guess it's quite an adjustment for us all.

I do feel a bit better, but I'm definitely going to keep an ear and an
eye out for them when they're playing.
carola - 31 Aug 2005 04:26 GMT
: Until yesterday.  Yesterday it was like the dam broke, and the old cat
: finally knocked the new cat down on her back, pinned her down and
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: really has no defense except for me and my husband.  I had to take old
: cat away and let her cool off.

I would call this rough play and not interfere, otherwise the older cat gets
into behavioural problems.

My kittens do this all the time until one yells, then they let go and lick
each other.
Even the cat mom played so rough that her babies sometimes screamed.

carola
 
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