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Jane D - 29 Aug 2005 19:24 GMT Oh geesh, my kitty, pumpkin, goes crazy whenever I go get her food. If I even head near her bag of food, she jumps all over me thinking I'm getting her food (When she just ate). It is very annoying and she always clings to me and cries too. That's bad becasue it always leaved holes in my shirt. I've tried to quietly put food in her dish while she's not looking, but she still knows somehow! She was on the bottom floor of my house and I was on the top floor. I really quietly got her food out, and out of no where, she darted up the stairs and only my good clothes, screaming. This is become extremely annoying and I want it to stop. So please help!! Pretty please!!
RPS - 29 Aug 2005 22:37 GMT : Oh geesh, my kitty, pumpkin, goes crazy whenever I go get her food. If I even : head near her bag of food, she jumps all over me thinking I'm getting her [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : stairs and only my good clothes, screaming. This is become extremely annoying : and I want it to stop. So please help!! Pretty please!! Change into some grubby clothes before putting her food out? :)
carola - 30 Aug 2005 04:46 GMT :: Oh geesh, my kitty, pumpkin, goes crazy whenever I go get her food. If I even :: head near her bag of food, she jumps all over me thinking I'm getting her [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : : Change into some grubby clothes before putting her food out? :) Close the door first. Scream SCHschschsch..........
carola
ThePuppyFaerie@AniMail.Net - 30 Aug 2005 20:29 GMT HOWEDY carola,
> :: Oh geesh, my kitty, pumpkin, goes crazy whenever I go > :: get her food. If I even head near her bag of food, she > :: jumps all over me thinking I'm getting her food (When > :: she just ate). It is very annoying and she always clings > :: to me and cries too. That's bad becasue it always leaved > :: holes in my shirt. Looks like this is a shirt material problem. Perhaps shirts should be woven of welding glove material?
> :: I've tried to quietly put food in her dish while she's > :: not looking, but she still knows somehow! She was on the > :: bottom floor of my house and I was on the top floor. > :: I really quietly got her food out, and out of no where, > :: she darted up the stairs and only my good clothes, screaming. Probably that screaming is caused by flimsy shirt material.
> :: This is become extremely annoying and I want it to stop. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Close the door first. You mean INSTEAD of training the kitty not to go INSANE when folks are not wearing the apupriate clothing when touching her food.
Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not received is experienced as a punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).
> Scream SCHschschsch.......... "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty- six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning immediately deteriorated."
> carola Training a kat to perimeter or not to bolt through doors or attack his owners when offering food is the same same as teachin dogs to do likeWIZE:
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach? Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting a modular home here within the next few years... put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that his dog was gone... Zelda came home butnot her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little kids. I and my boys still miss her.
Sometimes I still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never will....
~misty
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news: 16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-( ~misty
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From: Nevyn (greatd...@badmama.com.au) Subject: Re: radio fence Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST
Hi folks,
In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.
At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area (Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).
This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.
However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or the back gate or the front gate without permission.
And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least concerned.
I find this better then spending your well earned money on a piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?
Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou, Nevyn
_________________________________ Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer greatd...@badmama.com.au "You can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals" __________________________________
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaul_bou...@clear.net.nz) Subject: Re: Fence Jumping
Date: 2000-09-29 04:33:37 PST
Been well experienced in dogs escaping from our yard I know exactly the frustration you are going through. Sam used to jump over the fence so I made it higher then we got Roz and she went under it, through it and climbed over it.
I've decided there are only 2 ways to stop the escaping, 1 is to have an escape proof fence, the other to train the dogs not to want to escape.
I suppose a third method is to keep them inside but I don't consider that a solution.
Making the fence escape proof can be almost impossible if the dog is determined, to stop it climbing over as yours is doing put an extension on top of the fence that angles inwards at about 30-45 degrees. Never use chicken wire as the dogs tear through that like paper.
The only training method to prevent this I can recall is Jerry's technique, essentially it involves walking around the perimeter of the fenced area with the dog and using sound distractions and praise to teach the dog it's boundary.
I have had partial success with it (i.e. I have deterred Roz from escaping from various points along the fence) but then again I haven't really followed it through completely.
One last glimmer of hope, as the dog gets older it may become more settled, Sam never escapes now although he's quite capable of getting out, he 2.5 years old and seemed to settle at about 2. So there you are, only 1.5 years of escaping left!!!
Paul.
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http://home.clear.net.nz/pages /paul_bousie/index.html "Noodlz" <nood...@home.com> wrote in message news:39D1E9D9.FE7F26B2@home.com...
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:01 -0500 From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> Subject: "time-out"
Dan, my own firm hatred of punishment has recently been intensified by meeting The Puppy Wizard, Jerry Howe, whose work with dogs is marvelous.
There is a literature on harms caused by time out, and perhaps you'd like to look at http://www.dogydoright.com George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com To: <d...@arcane-computing.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below. I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining, humping, hunching, pacing, self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking, spinning, prolonged barking, barking at shadows, overstimulated barking, fighting, bullying other dogs, compulsive digging, compulsive scratching, compulsive chewing, frantic behavior, chasing light, chasing shadow, stealing food, digging in garbage can, loosing house (toilet) training. inappropriate fearfulness aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of the intervening time working with animals (including the human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine
> So why is that a problem? "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty- six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning immediately deteriorated."
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: <pdd-aspy...@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?
How does diagnosis shape treatment?
Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a master at behavioral modification of dogs.
His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student, the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).
Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully, over again.
Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.
Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.
You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms".
Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's developmental history, and the environmental niche of the animal being trained.
Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book. Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.
<snip>
Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual history, and the nature of he disorder.
Dr. Von
PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at Jerry's work.
Dr. George VonHilsheimer writes in
"Is there a SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR?":
"Valette 1966 is a complete trivialization of scientific findings. It overstates the case for reinforcement theory. No careful researcher would contend that operant techniques CAN ANY THING MORE than modify SHORT TERM BEHAVIOR in a highly controlled and limited environment with a large number of skillful experimenters.
Certainly the most elaborate studies have shown that the withdrawal or temprary inefficiency of the reward system is immediately followed by CESSATION of the programmed behavior.
In fortunate contrast to this depressing paper is the research reported by Whelan (1966) who makes the simple but profHOWEND caveat that "It is only through CORRECT, EFFICIENT APPLICATION (of operant principles) that children's behavor can be changed to the extent that they can subsequently contribute to the REAL WORLD in which they live." "
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual," The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
Dr. Von continues:
"Whelan illustrates the simple nature or the learning process by referring to Ferster's engaging study of two three year old chimpanzees taught mathematics through simple procedures. Whelan carries this EVIDENCE a step futher by pointing HOWET it's applicability to disturbed children."
You Get The Critter You Trained
A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat As A Birdie Is A Birdie As A Child Is A Child As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
Dr. Von continues:
"If chimpanzees CAN LEARN mathematics through step by step learning AT THEIR OWN PACE, reinforced primarily by CORRECT ANSWERS rather than with "fruit loops and rasins", we can assume that even developmentally RETARDED or CONfHOWENDED children CAN LEARN as well.
Moreover, Whelan makes the EXXXTREMELY important point that while most teachers assume that learning takes place verbally, primarily it is a non verbal process..
Unfortunately Whelan limits himself to the problem that "teachers must not only modify or remove specific deviant behaviors, but must also develop socially acceptable behavior patterns in the classroom and classroom conditioned goals, NOT LEARNING.
Other researchers have emphasized the importance of adult behaviors in conditioning classroom behavior. An EXXXCELLENT review of this research showd that tantrum behavior, excessive crawling and dependency, isolated play, passivity, spelling failure, and other problem behaviors can be managed by altering habitual adult responses to children (Harris, Wolf and Baer, 1964) .
Such RESEARCH holds GREATER PROMISE in that alteration of the conditioning social environment seems to provide more STABLE and LASTING CHANGES than "M and M's". Moreover, a great deal of work has been done developing EFFECTIVE techniques of behavior modificaton through the conditioning social environment of peers (Hartup, 1964). These directions would seem more PRODUCTIVE than a simple minded trainslation of the Skinner cage to the classroom.
Skinner (1963) pointed HOWET that operant techniques can "be utilized fully ONLY IF we REDEFINE the GOALS of education and the CONDITIONS in the educational environment under which those goals may be reached... (through) a DIFFERENT KIND of educational research which is much more closely concerned with the immediate dimensions of the student's behavior than with gross changes such as IMPROVED PERFORMANCES."
UNFORTUNATELY, neither Skinner nor ANY OTHER learning theorist has provided us with a working model of a school or research enterprise based on systemic and thorough-going APPLICATION of LEARNING PRINCIPLES.
Skinner (1948, 1953) approaches a definition of the philosophical issues involved, and provides an utopian model of a school, but generally psychologists seem STUCK at a level of MANAGEMENT of an aggressively disturbing child in the classroom, through peer approval, or the aplication of accelerating CONsequences in the classroom, or scientifically S-HOWENDING tactics like "TIME HOWET" (which we used to know more simply as "sendin the kid to the cloakroom").
Hobbs (op. cit.) claims that the classroom is a natural environement for the child. Thelen (1965) contends that "classroom practices are UNnatural, UNreasonable, and 'against NATURE.' "This would seem the central issue for the philosophy of education. Mere trivial application of research findings to an institution essentially unchanged from Sumerian academies (Kramer, 1962) will NOT create useful teaching for human beings.
It seems relevant to ask EXXXACTLY WHAT do we know abHOWT the learning situation in which HOWER children find themselves, and why, in the light of HOWER knowledge, do we do any of the things that schools do?"
We know that there is little agreement among adults as to what it is they are SUPPOSED to be DOING, what something to do could be that MIGHT be EFFECTVE, and what it IS that other people who have authority over children ought to be doing (Mc- Eachern and Taylor, 1967). Wherefor the child's CONfusiHOWEN?
It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966).
Probably the most absurd figure in Amaerican mass media is the TEACHER (Gerbner, 1966). HOWE can we EXXXPECT children to LEARN responsible P-HOWER from models of IMPOTENCE? We KNOW that LEARNING a complex ritualized social role, is facilitated by observation of an INTELLIGIBLE MODEL much more effectively than by trial and error with REINFORCEMENT.
Roles which are relatively arbitrary and senseless are the most difficult to learn (Luchins, 1966). Do we make ANY EFFORT as teachers to CORRECT the massive impact of media?
HOWE can the ARBITRARINESS and SENSELESSNESS of IMPOTENT ADULT MODELS be redeemed by anything short of RELEVANCE and COMMITMENT?
As an engaging final comment on the PROFESSION let me mention the little study by Dittman et al (1965) tha when 15 psychotherapists and 9 professional dancers evaluated facial and bodily expressons for effect the dancers were much MOORE accurate. Need we say MOORE abHOWET the training of therapists?
THE OPERANT FALLACY
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement model" proposed by Skinner (1963) ar no more well established in research than the various dynamic therapists. Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed systems for elarning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers.
The 190 studies annotated by Schramm (1964) when inspected display NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES in SUCCESS among approaches and modifications. Programmed instruction is no worse than conventional instruction, and takes less time, but time reductions in conventional instruction has frequently been shown possible without detrimental effects. If you draw your controls cagily you can always show the superiority of your PET technique.
Moore and Smit (1964) compared variations on programmed materials, machines, texts, written responses, merely reading, free response, multiple choice, and iving or not giving the students results. There were NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES despite Skinner's insistence on the importance of the CONTINGENCY of REINFORCEMENT. Carpenter and Greenhill (1963) could find NO DIFFERENCE in RESULTS even after eliminating the self-pacing feature by presenting the materials by TV or Video.
Krumboltz and Kiesler (1965) reported that a two month follow up test showed NO DIFFERENCE between students given a variety of reinforcement schedules. Mayo and Longo (1966) report that naval and marine trainees saved 30% of time in learning electronics fundamentals through a programed course witrh superior scores on one measure but not on another, and with no follow-up reported.
The same authors reported a reductionj from 26 HOWERS to 19 HOWERS in instruction time through the use of program with NO DIFFERENCE in test scores, except that as longer blocks of materiallearned through programmed means were tesed the scores DECREASED.
When the control instruction is manipulated an entirely DIFFERENT picture emerges Jacobs and Kulkarni (1966) assignedstudents in three different schools to classes with standard programmed material giving immediate knowledge of results to classes without results and to classes with the order of sections of the program inverted.
In two schools the groups without knowledge of results and the groups with inverted material SCORED HIGHER. In one school there was NO DIFFERENCE. So much for THEORY. Reid and Taylor (1965) presented a linear program on paper-making to 60 paid undergrads with a 12 week follow up test. The group which merely read learned the same material in 154 minutes to 243 minutes for the group given responses- a REVERSAL of the usual BIASED RESULTS based on POOR CON-TROLLS. There were no differences on post tests.
Spagnoli (1965) reports on a study exposing the control and programed group to the same material in a concentrated effort over a limited period of time. There were NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES.
Sassenrath and Garverick (1965) gave 4 matched groups of 120 students four procedures: 1) looking up the wrong answers, 2) having questions discussed by the instructors, 3) checking answers from correct ones on the board, and 4) no feedback. The discussion method proved best.
Finally, in studying means of training men to perform a 72 action prcedure on Nike-Hercules equipment, Cox and Boren (1965) demonstrated that the time required to learn the procedure to critterion was NO DIFFERENT when the actions were organized into seven operant spans and taught in reverse order, in natural order, or without grouping into operant spans at all.
IT IS CLEAR that as comparisons became more sophisticated programed instruction and other operant teaching techniquesreveal tehemselves as simply another prestigiHOWES FAD--somewhat better than conventional instruction in saving time, but certainly not providing a better or better organized or more independently useful GRASP of KNOWLEDGE.
The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty- six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning immediately deteriorated.
Despite this, and despite the fact that there was no evidence of cognitive association with the words, the authors leap to the conclusion that the fact that the boys improved in the acquisition of Norwegian words WITHOUT REWARDS while still being given English words WITH REWARDS suggest hat the children may be able to acquire new behaviors on their own.
The need for this study escapes one, particularly in view of the very well established fact that schizophrenics condition quite readily (Mednick, 1958)
One can see the "SCIENTIFIC" PRECISION by which the authors drop contingent reinforcements thus PROVING that the parrot behavior was indeed caused by the schedule and NOT by some other mystical force.
The use of Norwegian to demonstrate learning that could not even remotely be related to previous history is a grotesquery too bizarre to be credited. Who could possibly doubt that this useless and probably damaging trained seal routine depended on the psychologist's antics?
What on earth led them to believe that a schizophrenic needs even more other-focused responsiveness?
Lovaas et al (1965) reported three programs carried out on five year old autistic twins conditioining them to "social behavior" and to eliminate pathologial behaviors such as self-stimulation and tantrums.
Affectionate and other social behaviors toward adults increaseed after adults had been associated with shock reduction. The routine for this treatment brings immediate relief to mind Sawrey and Wesz (1956) routine for producing ulcers in monkeys.
I suppose it is USELESS to speculate on the source of SO CALLED THERAPISTS willingness to experiment on human beings with procedures for which there is sound experimentally established WARNINGS. If the "double blind" theory of the origin of schizophrenia (Bateson, 1956) is at all valid, HOWE DEVASTATING the experience must ULTIMATELY BE.
Do Lovaas et al REALLY BELIEVE the schizophrenic has no cognitive processes and DOES NOT KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHOCK? Greger (1965) criticized this study on the basis that trainsfer CANNOT be generalized.
That issue can be answered by experience, and, of curse, the "social" behavior of these children deteriorates as soon as the psychologists LOOSE INTEREST.
The IMPORTANT ISSUE for a SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR is why not attempt those things which are KNOWN to WORK at least in some cases if only for control puporses.
Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic children improved enough to go to school without "anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy or as psychotherapy at all..."
Autistic children have been known to become permenantely social by deinstitutionalization, BY REMOVAL from the parents, BY RADICAL CHANGES in other environments, and by MASSIVE DOSAGE of TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE DESPITE THE REJECTION OF THE CHILD.
My case, Larry, (vonHilsheimer, 1965b), demonstrates a recovery by using the mother as an autistic boy's teacher in an open millieu. It is curiHOWES that the operant technicians provide as few, and as UNIMAGINITAVE controls for thier "research" as the Freudians.
REWARD / PUNISHMENT
Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not received is experienced as a punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).
MIMICRY, PLAY, EXPLORATION AND THE NEED FOR DATA
Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than by trial and error with reinforcemet (Luchins,). Observers of subjects making a first trial of a multiple choice bolt head maze made fewer errors than the practiced subjects in the second run, while subjects who have been shocked for error on a first trial made more errors than either (Rosenbaum & Hewitt, 1966). Students will modify their beliefs more when rewarded for the way in which they carried out arguing for a disagreeable position (role reward), than when rewarded for the content of the argument (Wallace, 1966).
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INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.
Several years ago one of my old students telephoned to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop barking.
I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told my graduate that I thought the device was worth a trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.
After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy" sounds which humans cannot hear.
My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet back of his bedroom.
Hot rats! The device worked,
Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the matter again.
A few months ago I had new neighbors on each side of my house, four of them, all with noisy unshuttupable dogs. Argh!
So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came to visit me.
Merlin walked into my office.
Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately, and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again which again became silent.
It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what happens to humans in range of the device???
I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began inquiring among them. One thing became immediately evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.
Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.
In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom even have Ph.D.s in psychology.
This was not such a delight as it appeared that none of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it seemed as though they knew very little about the laws of behavior at all!
Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their major stock in trade.
Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's last student.
Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender loving care is at the root of the scientific management of doggies.
Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.
So what are these degreed morons doing punishing dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS.
Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?); 2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?) and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who is the animal?).
The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises, and whales."
Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals, they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly and immediately to love and tender loving care.
Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. Who's Who Honoree since 1983
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
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From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually live with and train dogs to do useful things if you excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand the personal history of the particular animal, and the history of this animal's species and group, the developmental history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking, you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond, say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator, Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g., an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant" because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that follows the response that influences whether the response is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well without the operant language, and only pettifogging university professors ought to worry about what kind of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
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What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat the fish and not the pretty girl?"
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TheAmazingPussyWizard@HushMail.Com - 30 Aug 2005 03:50 GMT HOWEDY jane,
> Oh geesh, my kitty, pumpkin, goes crazy whenever > I go get her food. Not surprising, jane.
> If I even head near her bag of food, Your kat DON'T TRUST YOU, jane.
> she jumps all over me thinking I'm > getting her food (When she just ate). Your kat is ANGRY.
> It is very annoying INDEED. Kinda like your puppy attackin her. AIN'T IT.
> and she always clings to me and cries too. Wait till she's older...
> That's bad becasue it always leaved holes in my shirt. Your kat is havin anxiety attacks and you're worried about your shirt.
> I've tried to quietly put food in her dish while > she's not looking, but she still knows somehow! Perhaps she's had surveillance cams installed.
> She was on the bottom floor of my house and I was > on the top floor. Yup. She got you on tape, for sure.
> I really quietly got her food out, and out of no where, > she darted up the stairs and only my good clothes, screaming. She's ANGRY and AFRAID.
> This is become extremely annoying and I want it to stop. You can train this the same way you train your puppy not to attack her...
> So please help!! Pretty please!! That's what your kat is pleading. You'd know that had you read my manual:
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"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
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The question is not can they REASON, nor can they TALK, but can they SUFFER?" - - Jeremy Bentham
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight- -even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita.
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From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywizard@mail.com> Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business" and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose "The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com To: <d...@arcane-computing.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below. I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining, humping, hunching, pacing, self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking, spinning, prolonged barking, barking at shadows, overstimulated barking, fighting, bullying other dogs, compulsive digging, compulsive scratching, compulsive chewing, frantic behavior, chasing light, chasing shadow, stealing food, digging in garbage can, loosing house (toilet) training. inappropriate fearfulness aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of the intervening time working with animals (including the human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age. I do not know what started the problem but he came aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone and could play with any dog. He was well socialized ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens Test except he could let me leave him. I had used clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet, trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse. They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get in control using treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would not come when I called him and would run away when I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I should give up on him and kill him but they would say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog. He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End. I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog- -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel To: Jerry Howe Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would have but many people would have. The world just does not know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans- -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with treats--one really good suggestions was to have people coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac- but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make him less fearful and then he might attack or become more sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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Carol - 30 Aug 2005 09:03 GMT > Oh geesh, my kitty, pumpkin, goes crazy whenever I go get her food. > If I even head near her bag of food, she jumps all over me thinking [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > only my good clothes, screaming. This is become extremely annoying > and I want it to stop. So please help!! Pretty please!! Maybe you aren't giving her enough, and she's still hungry? I use an automatic kitty feeder, as do many cat owners I know. Have you thought about doing that and see how she manages food consumption on her own? As long as she is active and healthy, and not gaining weight, a dispensing type of cat feeder will save you from being annoyed by an obviously excited, and possibly hungry, cat.
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~*Connie*~ - 31 Aug 2005 14:53 GMT I trained my cat to sit on a chair when he wanted to be fed. What I did was put him on the chair when he exhibited signs of wanting dinner. I would immediately stop feeding him the second he jumped down, and I went and put him back.
turn your back on your cat when she starts going 'crazy'. walk away and dont start feeding till she calms down. Yes, this will make meal time much more involved, but unless you want to lock the cat up once a week and use prepared portions in tupperware, then you need to reeducate your cat that this behavior is not acceptable.
No seriously.. it can be done.. just takes time and effort.
> Oh geesh, my kitty, pumpkin, goes crazy whenever I go get her food. If I > even [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > annoying > and I want it to stop. So please help!! Pretty please!! AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory@HushMail.Com - 01 Sep 2005 01:18 GMT HOWEDY ~*CONNIE*~,
> I trained my cat to sit on a chair when he wanted > to be fed. What I did was put him on the chair > when he exhibited signs of wanting dinner. I would > immediately stop feeding him the second he jumped > down, and I went and put him back. Sounds like HE trained YOU.
> turn your back on your cat when she starts going 'crazy'. THAT'LL make him GO INSANE.
> walk away and dont start feeding till she calms down. You mean INSTEAD of training the kitty not to go INSANE when folks are not wearing the apupriate clothing when touching her food.
Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not received is experienced as a punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).
> Yes, this will make meal time much more involved, Yeah, you'll have to stop every now and again to pry the attaCKING kat off various parts of your body and clean and stitch wounds pryor to continuing to IGNORE the kat when IT is hungry.
> but unless you want to lock the cat up once a week > and use prepared portions in tupperware, then you > need to reeducate your cat that this behavior is > not acceptable. You mean instead of SHOWIN HIM IT AIN'T NECESSARY because MOMMY'S gonna TAKE CARE OF EVERY THING.
> No seriously.. PROBLEMO!
> it can be done.. But NOT HOWE you're recommending, mommy kat.
> just takes time and effort. ENJOY!
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer
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