HOWEDY upscale,

What else would we expect from an animal abuser like rpl?:

Newsgroups: alt.cats
From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat

Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose)
had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree
with) or gets a smack in the head.

<snip>

As far as rough play is concerned... attack first.
Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine"
which gives him plenty of time to figure out which
way to run when you lunge.  When he looks to be in
an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and
give him a noogie.

No, she didn't GET SICK she ATE Gorilly Glue and
puked and sh.t her bloody guts out on the kitchen
floor for two days dying because she couldn't stop
PUNISHING and SCOLDING her dog for STEALIN STUFF.

These are family news group, pet lover.

Better get used to it. The Amazing Pussy Wizard has
finally come to the kat groups. You can make it EZ
or you can do this the HARD WAY like the dog groups
done. We don't HURT and INTIMDIATE and MURDER innocent
dumb critters like you prefer nomore.

From: "The Puppy Wizard"

Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:03:52 GMT
Subject: Re: The vet called, Maggie died.

HOWEDY bentcajungirl,

Like mikey  sez, "you'll get over it," just like HOWE
The Puppy Wizzzard did. LUCKY thing we got ed
w of PET LOSS DOT CON.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite
Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal
Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll
Get Over It." mike duforth, author:  "Courteous Canine."

Poisoned, near death, at the vet? The vet who refused
to see her till you kept INSISTING she was SICK?

Well, you shoulda taught her to not steal stuff.

She didn't come back from the vet...

Like mikey sez, "you'll get over it."

You mean like ed w of PET LOSS dot CON? He'll
be along no dHOWET, to beg some change off you
for a nice cyber memorial. eddie likes fifties, just so
you'll know. It's a full time job warnin folks abHOWET
The Puppy Wizzzard's DANGERHOWES and INEFFECTIVE
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method manual...

Oh, INDEEDY! It's a LUCKY THING you got PLENTY
of company here who've been through the same same
same same because they won't stop trying to hurt and
intimidate their dogs to train them not to do stuff.

That's HOWE COME eddie recommends koehelr and
LIES abHOWET The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE 100%
safe, EZ, FAST, proven effective methods.

That's HOWE COME dogs DO THAT when you turn
your back on them. YOU KILLED MAGGIE.

The Puppy Wizzzard doesn't FEEL SORRY for
your dog Maggie. Maggie is a POSTER CHILD
for The Puppy Wizzzard's WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual. Maggie is gonna save
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intelligent enough and caring enough to listen
and believe that we don't got to HURT and
INTIMIDATE dogs as you've done to your DEAD
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From: bentcajungirl (perry...@bellsouth.nospam.net)
Subject: Re: All over
Date: 2003-04-03 14:48:43 PST

Too bad spaying/castration isn't mandatory for stupid
humans.  Makes you want to scream.  My kids always
thought I was the meanest thing around, but now that
they are grown and out of the house (27 and 20 yo)
they always tell me how rotten kids are in the grocery,
doctor's office, etc.

Perry
bentcajungirl

=======================> bentcajungirl

Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com

Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.

My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.

When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.

Amazing, just amazing.

I will write to Amanda about the video.

I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.

Thanks again
Paul

=======================From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST

It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out
of a cat bowl without too much difficulty.

My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls
although Roz licks up any bits that have been
dropped around the bowls :-)

I used a can with stones in it to create a
distraction anytime the dogs tried to eat
the cats food, followed with immediate praise.

It worked a treat.

The cats bowls are down all the time, usually
there is food left over but the dogs don't eat it,
even if we go out and leave the dogs with
access inside through a dog door.

Paul

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were everyone would have obedient dogs.

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Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two
naive childs since I freely admit to having
read and, I hope, understood enough of the
manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you
to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with
a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had
been posting earlier, maybe we would not have
had to hold the head of a really magnificent
animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until
he gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can
terrorize a dog into good behavior.  Naive is
believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use
their real names.

Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better
than those that have studied and lived by their
craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are.

Really stupid is believing that people like
Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like
fools.  Why do you act like fools?  I really
have no idea, and I don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's
day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for
their use and testing.  You would never believe
the results, so you'll never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?

As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei
(do I get to listen to the box first?)

--------======================­====----

good idea, thanks.

HOWEDY davidd31415,

You replied because you was EMBARRASSED
and felt the need to defend yourself, as
pathetically as WON could ever imagine,
by DENYING YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY.

Because they had NO INFORMATION or ADVICE for you, david.

ALL LIVING CREATURES ARE THE SAME SAME, david.

Well thank you, david. The Amazing Pussy Wizard
NEEDS animal abusers liars cowards and active
acute long term incurable mental cases to APOLOGIZE
for HIM being CRUEL to animal abusing mental cases.

Because your POSTED CASE HISTORY is RELEVENT to
the ISSUES we're working on to CURE the PROBLEM
you've written in about.

Your ONLY OPTION will be to MURDER your kat
when his FEAR BEHAVIOR becomes worse as he
matures, like NanK was tellin you.

Because you're a COWARD, david.

What are they gonna tell you? Maybe WON of
our VETERINARY MALPRACTICIONERS will advise
you to put your kat on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDS.

The Amazing Pussy Wizard prefers to communicate
on pubicly archived news groups because of the
high level of DECEIT and COWARDICE amongst the
animal abusers HE'S enterTRAINING, david.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard gets NO PLEASURE
from EMBARRASSING animal abusers PRIVATELY.

Your kat is ATTACKING YOU, NOT The Amazing
Pussy Wizard who has been KINDLY enough to
advise you HOWE COME your kat FEARS and
ATTACKS you and HOWE TO address this problem
withHOWET MURDERIN IT, david.

The Amazing Pussy Wizard has come to EXXXPECT
EXXXACTLY the RESPONSE HE GOT from HIS kindly
gentle understanding post to an ANIMAL ABUSER:

From: TheAmazingPussyWiz...@HushMail.Com
Date: 27 Aug 2005 19:59:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Sneezing cats?

HOWEDY Davidd31415,

I didn't see the post as I've been busy on the dog groups.

Yeah. EVERY SINGLE WON told you to HURT and INTIMIDATE
your kat for attacking you like HOWE they do theirs.

Your kat is having obsessive compulsive anxiety attacks.

BECAUSE HE AIN'T SICK, HE'S GONE INSANE.

There's ample CASE HISTORY DATA below.

Yeah, you'll see TWO SIMILAR CASE HISTORIES below
and if you want to PROVE IT, you'll EITHER study
your FREE COPY of The Amazing Pussy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual

           http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u

OR you'll temporarilly give your kat to someWON who
DON'T INTIMIDATE IT and he'll STOP SNEEZING IN WON
DAY and if he DON'T, you'll KNOW HE'S SICK and needs
the VET.

BUT HE AIN'T SICK of NUTHIN but being abused.

You got your answers options and methods
and the EVIDENCE is below:

Local: Thurs, Jul 14 2005 2:37 am
Subject: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat

Okay, so perhaps he is not quite that bad, but he does bite.  He's a
year old, indoor, neutered American Shorthair and I love him so, but he

bites.  I'm okay with him biting if I invade his space; I understand
that if he doesn't want to be petted that I should just stay away.  He
terrorizes my fiancee though.  We were living together when we got him
so it is not like he is responding to a new element in his territory.

The problem is that we can both be ignoring him and he will do this: he

will sit a few feet from her and then just attack and dig in with his
teeth.  Sometime she will be pull her hands away and cower away from
him, but he still does it.  It's unprovoked and I'm wondering if anyone

has advice on what we might do to calm this cat (he is neutered).

Thanks,

David.

Newsgroups: alt.cats
From: "davidd31415" <davidd31...@yahoo.com>
Date: 17 Jul 2005 23:20:38 -0700

Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat

Hmmm... I just tried to wrestle him... He got a pretty good chunk of
skin out of my hand...  Getting blood all over the keyboard now.  He
does look satisfied though.  Really... I have two ways to stop the
teeth from getting my hands when we're playing:

1.  Put my hand around his neck (from the front) and keep it close
enough so that my fingers are under his chin.  Problem is that this
feels a bit too tight and I am scared that if he squirms too much I'll
end up squeezing his neck, causing him to squirm more, making the
squeeze seriously injure him... He used to have to undergo a similar
procedure when his front claws were getting clipped (we've since worked

out a two-person method of clipping his claws that keeps him relatively

free- distraction).

2.  Put my hand through a thick blanket and let him dig into that.
I've tried grabbing the back of his head but he puts up too much of a
fight and I don't feel comfortable holding his head with that much
tossing and pulling... I'd hate for his neck to get hurt.

Thanks for all the suggestions though everyone.  He has been looking
more like he is walking on thin ice when he goes in for an attack now
than he did a week ago.  Now he doesn't send out 30 seconds of "I'm
about to try to eat you" before sinking his teeth in; it's more of a
suprise attack lately.

Newsgroups: alt.cats
From: "davidd31415" <davidd31...@yahoo.com>
Date: 16 Jul 2005 01:07:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat

Thank you for the replies everyone!  I have heard the "love nibbles"
remark before and I do think Buddy (my cat) does love nibble from time
to time and sometimes his bites are for play, but I believe these
attacks he does to Jen are a bit different.  If she tries to play with
him with a toy, stick, string, or anything else, he still focuses on
biting her, ears back and tail wagging like a happy puppy (not good
signs of course)

It seems like a dominance issue and no amount of sound seems to affect
it (crying or yelling).  He often opens wide and tries to grab a hand
with both paws before sinking his teeth in when one approaches to flick

his nose (the nose flicking was attempted in the past) so it has been
difficult to find a solution here.

We've been scared to wack him on the head or the butt (he had an FHO on

a hind leg about 6 months ago) in the past but have tried finding the
degree of head wack that gets his attention over the last couple of
days.  He has still been going in for at least one or two good bites
each day, but I think he is getting the point.  Please let me know if
this sounds like something that is dangerous to him... We're not
hitting him with all out force by any means; the reason I think it is
probably safe is because I'm sure he hits his head much harder himself
when running into things or miscalculating a daring jump.

I hope this is something that comes to a conclusion soon; him nibbling
my toes, although painful, does not bother me all that much, but when
he's drawing blood things are going too far.  For the most part he is a

playful, cuddly, head-rubbing (sebumming), adorable furball.  If anyone

is home he is usually within feet and I guess my biggest fear is making

him so scared of us that he won't come around like this in the future.

I'll update the thread next week!

Thanks again,

David

Newsgroups: alt.cats
From: Lawana Quest <Law...@shaw.ca>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:47:14 GMT
Subject: Pulling out fur: neurotic, or what?!

I need some help and advice *desperately*!

My 2 1/2 yr. old Seal-point Siamese, Minx, is absolutely miserable, and

after 4 visits, the vet still hasn't figured out what's wrong with
her...  I'm hoping someone here will recognize these symptoms...

Short story, there are 3 problems:
(1) she's pulling out all her fur, although her skin is in perfect
condition - no marks or anything, so we don't think it's an allergy or
fungus or anything.

(2) she's a miserable b***h (if you know what I mean), and even though
she *had* settled in very nicely with the new kitten, playing, chasing
and bathing him, she's now just nasty to him and the dog.  Growling and

screaming at them if they come anywhere near her, doing this weird
sneezing/snorting/schnuffling thing, and just generally a severe
grumpy-puss - no fun to be around at all.  (she's usually a very sweet
little cat :-(

(3) this weird sneezing/snorting thing - the vet doesn't think it's
anything to worry about, but it's bothering me.  She seems to do it
mostly when the kitten or dog gets close and p's her off, but I've
heard her suddenly go into a sneezing fit for seemingly no reason, when
she's
all alone sleeping - and occasionally after a sneezing fit I notice her

nose is wet..

Personally, I think she's become neurotic,
so for those who are still with me, here's
the long story:

Sept. 25 - I took her to the vet (oh, the trauma!)
to get her yearly booster, but because she had a bit
of an eye infection, and was sneezing some, the vet
said to clear that up first, then bring her back for
her shot.

I spent  a week chasing and catching her twice a day to give her
eye-gel and liquid anti-biotics, which is the most traumatic thing
she's ever been through (I'm not kidding, I've had many cats in my
time, but
NO ONE has been as upset and purely terrorized as she has when I have
to give her her meds - it's like I'm murdering her).  In this time, she

became *very* unsociable and grumpy, hiding under the bed, and afraid
to come out lest I catch her to give her meds.

Oct.10 - I took her back to the vet (trip #2) after her eye cleared up
(the sneezing never really did), and believe me, the 20 min car ride
each way did not help with her trauma.  So she got her booster shot,
and he told me the sneezing was nothing to worry about, she had no
upper-respiratory problems and her lungs were clear.  I was horrified
to find, a couple of hours after we got home, that she had chewed a
bare
patch of fur from her right 'forearm'.  She had NOT been outside, and
there was nothing she could have gotten into, so I figured she was just

so traumatized that she chewed it off...

Oct.15 - It was a much bigger bare patch (maybe 3" up her 'arm'), and
she'd become such a nasty and unsociable beast,  so I boxed  her up
(more trauma), and took her back to the vet (trip #3).  I told him I
really thought she was being neurotic, and if he could just give her a
shot of valium or something, and let her have some time off with no
chasing and no meds, that she'd get back to normal.  He disagreed,
believed she somehow got something on her arm, went overboard licking
it clean, and licked all the fur off.  He gave her a shot of
anti-allergy
something-or-other, and gave me more antibiotics to torment her with
twice a day for TEN MORE DAYS!!!  (although 15 ml only lasted 7 1/2
days, not enough for 10)

So of course, the next week was absolute hell for us both, and in that
time, she started pulling the fur out of her back and sides.  I was
determined to give her every drop of her medicine, regardless of how
upset she got, but by the end of the week, she was no better, and was
just such a miserable wench, the whole household was cringing in fear
of her wrath.

So I chased/caught/boxed her up again for the 4th trip to the vet
(Oct.24), and this time he agreed that I may be right and she may just
be neurotic.  So he prescribed liquid PROZAC (fluoxetine) - I'm not
kidding, I had to get it from my own pharmacy - and he told me I have
to give her .75 ml once a day for SIXTY DAYS!  I only bought a 10-day
dose
though, because I just can't see traumatizing her for 60 days...

The first time I gave her the Prozac, it was even worse than the other
meds - she FREAKED OUT, and was foaming at the mouth, moaning, and it
was just horrible.  I cried.  However, the next morning, for the first
time in *weeks*, she crawled into bed with me.  I thought, as long as
she was getting a little more sociable, I'm not going to continue
traumatizing her by chasing her and giving her this stuff, so I stopped

the Prozac and observed.

Although she was no longer hiding under the bed and was coming out of
her basket to visit us every once in a while, she was still a growling
nasty snaggle-puss - so after 4 days off, I gave her the Prozac 2 more
days in a row...  She hasn't had any since Oct.31st, so has had 4 days
off it.

Right now, as I'm typing this, for the first time in WEEKS, she's on
the bed with the kitten playing with him, although she's being VERY
loud
and b**chy, she's actually playing, and allowing him to grab her tail.
This warms the cockles of my heart, it really does, but the thing is,
she's
still pulling out her fur, and still unpleasant to listen to.  She's
also still 'sneezing' but it's a weird sneezing/snorting/schnuffling
noise, and she mostly does it when she's mad and is growling and
complaining about the kitten or dog getting too close.

So after this very long story (thanks to all of those
who are still with me :-) I'd like to know:

(a) if anyone has ever had a similar problem, and
if so, how you handled it, and

(b) if you think I should take her back to the vet
a 5th time (risk traumatizing her further and going
back to square one) to see what he says about the
fur-pulling and weird sneezing.

THANK YOU so much for taking the time to read all of
this, I know it's long, but I do love my fur-babies,
and I'm hoping there's someone out there who can help us!!!

--
Ciao for now,
Lawana

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First, please don't reply to the troll.  If you want to reply to another
poster's message that's included in the troll's post, find the original
and reply to that.  You may find that somebody has already given your
point of view (though you may wish to reinforce it) or that the context
of the message changes your opinion.

Second, (obviously) include the relevant part of the message that you're
replying to in your posting.  Just because you've taken the time to look
through that piece of sh.t for something to talk about doesn't mean that
I'm going to.

Last but not least check the post headers: people in r.p.dogs.behaviour
and r.p.dogs.health don't give a damn about cat behaviour except when
their precious comes home minus a nose or wearing a new fur hat.

pat
r.p.d.h and r.p.d.b included as a public-service :)

playing netcop because I'm not going to reread puppypussy's post for the
relevant text and I'm too lazy to find and reread the original thread.

Well, yes: sometimes the cat will come over rub it's head on me, suck up
and want to get petted and sometimes the cat will come over with the
intention of ripping me into a million pieces and flushing the evidence
down the sink.

I can tell the difference.

The cat can, too.

I'm sure you mean tug-o-war but for some reason all I can imagine is the
cat accidentally tagging you instead of the sock

Wonder whose cat it is.  My cats know or learn the difference very early on.

Though I imagine having Lord Rampant Mousebreath bite a judge for
getting too friendly would be inconvenient.

pat