My dog doesn't eat the litter, but the poop!
I guess you have to buy another type of litter, something with rotten taste
or pine which is healthier. Or train the dog with NO,NO and throw a hollow
chain beside her.
(That's the way we train dogs here in Switzerland, it doesn't hurt, but
frightens - and works!)

When the kitten is older your idea should work though, and then you can use
your present litter again.
But then Schnauzie grows as well :-(

Good luck with your two, hopefully they become real buddies!

carola

put it in an upside-down box with a hole in the side, too big for the
puppy to get in.  If it's clumping litter the puppy could have problems
(because as advertised the stuff absorbs water... lots of water)

pat

Maybe if you raised the litter box gradually over time.  Some dogs like to
eat cat poop, although it can cause massive diarrhea in some dogs.

See if you can use some other type of substance for litter that the
Dog will not like enough to eat. Yard dirt,for example. Clay oil
absorbant is another, sand perhaps?

Ray
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Maybe a cat box with higher walls. We use those storage containers.
I do like the idea of putting a box with a hole in it too. The box wouldn't
need a top either so it could be more like what she's used to. I love
pumpkin colored cats. We have two: 50/50 after the creamsicle like
popsicle and 52. Long story.

This may sound like a joke but I think you've got a product
here. A dog that eats cats poop. If you could find a way to
get the cat to eat dog poop there could a revolution in pet
care. I guess you'd have to feed them every once in a while
but the reduced work in not having to clean the cat box
would be worth millions.

HOWEDY Jane,

You believe in Santa Clause?

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                      As A KAT Is A KAT;
                    As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                    As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                  As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

That's normal.

Eating kat poop without little is generally harmless.

Because you're using aversion instead of conditioning.

And then you use avoidance when aversion fails.

No problem. You can train your dog not to eat kat
poop or litter or anything else you prefer she not
indulge in, like poison or garbage bins or counteers.

You can train the puppy to only eat apupriate
STUFF in just a few moments, if you know HOWE.

Like this:

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz) Subject:
Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST

It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.

My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although Roz
licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls :-)

I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction anytime
the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed with immediate
praise. It worked a treat.

The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is food
left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go out and
leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.

Paul

And like THIS:

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or in front of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com To: Witsend...@aol.com

Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End Dog
Training Method works.

My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons around the barbecue
on the patio. I used this system on four different occasions.

When she went out today, she looked everywhere else but the
barbecue. Amazing, just amazing.

 I will write to Amanda about the video.

I am really excited to learn more, and understand. Maybe
just a little reassurance that I am going about it the
right way.

Thanks again

 Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands How Wits End
 Training Really Works, They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
 And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That
 Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built
 On Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and
say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the
request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking
then responding everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule
applies to every aspect of the relationship with
your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

             From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)

             The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

              I have studied canine behavior and dog training
              for years. I have a huge library that covers
              every system of training.

              The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
              Training Method is by far the most scientific,
              the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
              and the most effective training method yet
              discovered.

              It is not an assortment of training tips and
              tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
              Every behavior problem and every obedience
              skill is treated in the same logically
              consistent manner.

              Please study his manual carefully. Please
              endeavor to understand the basis of his system
              and please follow his directions exactly. His
              manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
              theory, with explanation, with detailed
              descriptions about why behavior problems occur
              and how their solution should be approached.

              One should not pick and choose from among his
              methods based upon what you personally like or
              dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete
              and integrated system for not only training a dog
              but for raising a loving companion.

              When I once said to Jerry that his system
              creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
              response was that it produces for your dog the
              owner of his dreams.

              You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
              gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
              with you, if you praise your dog every time he
              looks at you, then you will become the center
              of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
              distraction with praise, then it takes
              just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
              your dog to not misbehave (even in your
              absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
              my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
              clip his nails).

              Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
              distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
              it takes just minutes to train you dog to
              respond to your commands.

              What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
              old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
              legs would carry him in response to my recall
              command-and he comes running every time I call
              no matter where we are or what he is doing.

              At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
              upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
              exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
              exercises.

             Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
             if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
             you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
             response is to oppose you.

             Is Jerry a nut?

            It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
            is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
            person's ideas based upon their personality. As
            far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
            upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
            hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
            or hurting dogs.

            More than that, he knows  that force is not
            effective and that it will certainly  lead to
            behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
            that people put their dogs down because of those
            problems.

           I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
           control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
           We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?

           Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
           scientific literature it is referred to
           allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
           to force; they respond in like kind to praise.

          Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
          wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
          praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
          anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
          problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

          Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
          Training Method as a scientific principle just as
          you would the law of gravity and you will have
          astounding success.

          Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

          If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
          sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
          get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
          --Larry

       From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
       <drv...@mindspring.com>

       To: <pdd-aspy...@yahoogroups.com>
       Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
       Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

       How does diagnosis shape treatment?

       Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
       publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
       master at behavioral modification of dogs.

       His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last
       student, the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of
       Ohio (at Oxford,O).

       Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
       you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
       from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave
       him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very
       carefully, over again.

       Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused
       training is immoral. I've watched him in one short
       session calm impossible dogs, just about to be
       murdered (oops "put to sleep") because of their
       "incorrigibly" violent behavior.

       Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine
       to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for
       hyperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the
       fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but
       does respond, doggily, to dog love.

       You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's
       "Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and
       Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms".

       Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
       trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the
       individual's developmental history, and the
       environmental niche of the animal being trained.

       Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
       Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

      <snip Dr. Von>

       Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
       history, and the nature of he disorder.

       Dr. Von

       PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at
       Jerry's work, TheAmazingPuppyWizard@Mail.com

100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY INSTANTLY, BY NEARLY
EVERY FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Student.

It's the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE,NON FORCE, NON
CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE, SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
technique in the Whole Wild World, BAR NONE.

I have tried his methods and found them extremely effective.

There are several areas in particular I found useful.

He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each other
all the time.

He teaches you to have such good communication with your dog
you don't need leash corrections or shock collars or even
food, you can get the dogs attention any time you like by
calling it or with a snap of your fingers.

When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close to me
I ended up going to the parks and teaching them without a
lead at all, that ensured I had to use good communication
and was unable to be tempted to use the lead to correct
them.

Another part of the training I agree with is not using the
"policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no" or react
with it in such a way that you become involved in the
behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach often
results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you are about
but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding, counter surfing
etc).

Basically you are taught to make your dog a good friend who
likes and wants to work for you for the pleasure of working
for you (setting the hierarchy is included in this), teach
it to recall reliably, then to do everything else (sit, stay
down etc etc).

Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.  If you
understand what you are trying to achieve and are prepared
to work with it you can get great results.

Paul

===============================

<paulbou...@clear.net.nz> To: "'Don Fitz'"
<donfit...@hotmail.com>;
<Ama...@DCFWatch.com> Cc: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM Subject: RE: Jerry Howe

If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must already
have a good idea about what I think.

His methods are the best I have come across. They aren't a
quick fix but an entire training concept so if you aren't in
for the long haul then don't bother.  If you go his way then
you have to forget all the other gibberish that other people
spew, you have to believe in what you are doing, then and
only then will you get the results.

You can't combine his methods with other training methods,
not until you understand what  you are trying to achieve,
and even then I have only ever combined about 2 other
trainers ideas and even then just a snip of what they
suggest which works in parallel with the Wits End concept.

His methods make you as the trainer completely responsible
for your actions, his methods make you think and work out
your own solutions for any given situation, the default (the
recall) is always there to get things under control again.

His ideas and concepts teach you to work with the dog, to
develop a team and a willingness to work together which is
surely the best way to be. His methods don't use force or
intimidation but they do totally emphasize the absolute
importance of pack (family pack) structure, without that you
can achieve almost nothing.

If you are wondering how a dog can be trained without any
negativity the answer lies in the recall, anytime your dog
doesn't follow through with a request you call him / her to
you, since the recall is the first thing taught and it is
taught in such a way it becomes a reflex the dog always
returns to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and
we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an "equal"
position.

His methods are very good, his understanding of dogs is
excellent, I recommend his methods. Paul Bousie

==============================

Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at all,
people who find the manual useful are those that don't need
to control a dog to satisfy their own ego but simply want a
well behaved dog that is easy to live with. I would suggest
the people who follow the advice in his manual are people
who have already tried other inefficient methods and are fed
up with the poor results.

The more I think about the methods he suggests the more
sense it makes, the biggest problem is people believe they
have to be in control of the dog, tell it whats right and
wrong, dogs don't understand our values and I don't believe
they are capable of understanding them either, so to train
them we use methods they understand. That means abstract
training, doing sometimes what appears to almost be the
opposite of what makes sense to us.

If you are purely result orientated then you will not find
Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs and love to
work WITH them then his manual is your dream come true.
Distraction and praise works with any dog, when you sit back
and really think about it, it's very obvious why.

When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not, thats
the key to stopping garbage can raids and food stealing etc
etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it in an
appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to pursue that
behaviour.

Better than hiding the garbage can eh?

Paul

=======================

Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?

Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz) Subject: Good dogs!!!
bad dogs.?? Date: 2000/10/21

Something occurred this morning that made me think how we
treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.

Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs eventually
jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After a brief greeting
she very abruptly demanded they get down, "OFF THE BED" she
insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed, so she repeated the
"order", so Sam tried to lick her face, "GET OFF" she said
abruptly.

Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After a
bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.

Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily. I told
her they got down for me because I asked them to, they know
the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so there is no
need to demand it of them, ask them and they will comply,
demand it and they get confused because they think you are
annoyed with them but they don't know why so they try to "make
amends" which is why Sam licked her.

I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam sit
goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all dogs
want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are good then
they feel an obligation to obey your request.

Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your
dog thinking then responding everytime.

Paul

=======================

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz) Subject: Re: Get off
the bed... please? Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to every
aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

========================

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
news:
16990-3CAB1F8__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z__@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because
of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the
idea that my using a shock collar could have any
bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world
now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely
housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard,
and doesn't bark all the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

=====================

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not
want to come back in the yard and would run for
days.  The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained.  A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I
can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer
cringes when we walk around the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep
my dog in our yard again.

The price was too high:-(

~misty

--------------------------------

 Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have
 a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting
 to my 8 month old son.

 Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a
 hold on for dear life object.

 Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older
 two boys went through this stage in a different house where
 Buddy had his own room and the boys had only visits, not
 daily contact 24/7.

 Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has
 been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval by
 non-stop screaming. A cockatoo scream can be heard a block
 away with all the widows shut <g> being in the house it
 makes your ears pop and your nerves crawl.

 Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to
 use it. He answered my questions quite politely.

 I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is
 located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.

 At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then
 I realized after a week that he no longer screamed for
 hours on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg>
 he still demands his share of all meals. But he doesn't
 start screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_ to go to
 bed. Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My
 nerves were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per
 Jerry's instructions. I discovered the DDR was shut off! I
 turned it back on and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy
 calmed back down and quit screaming.

 In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts
 come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
 He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who
 is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.

 I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like
 the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like
 things that are free. I also like the fact that I can
 e-mail him and get advice whenever I need it.

 Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the
 DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in
 electronics, knows alot about radios and anything
 mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around the house
 <g>). He does NDT for a living.

 We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey
 is walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a strange
 animal.. some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.

==============================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

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       From: Linda Daniel
       To: Jerry Howe
       Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
       Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

       Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
       to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
       save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
       thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
       have but many people would have.  The world just does not
       know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
       solve problems.

       We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
       -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
       you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
       happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

       We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
       right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
       scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
       would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
       to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

       He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
       those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
       in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
       grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

       Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
       stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
       pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
       a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
       smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

       I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

       I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
       walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
       a problem with other people and dogs.

       I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
       to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
       around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
       treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
       coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
       and not move until we backed away-

       - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
       until I get his attention with treats.

       They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
       but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
       him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
       sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
       to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
       heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

       ----------------------------

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

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