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Luk - 09 Jul 2003 20:14 GMT A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill years ago. Perhaps a dozen years ago. He was extremely thin and hungry. Though it was never my plan to own a cat, I took him in and could never bring myself to take him to the pound. Turns out he's a very agreeable cat.
Not wanting to fuss with food, I elected to feed him dry pellets, the most reliable brand I could find. His fur went from sparse to thick and his weight normalized. I just leave his food in a bowl and he grazes at his leisure. A little at a time, but often.
His food agrees with him. Too much so. He has become a fat cat. I'd like to cut his food back, but when he's hungry, he's very insistent.
Are there any tricks to helping this cat thin down that won't result in his driving me crazy? Don't tell me he's starved for love and attention, because that's definitely not the case. He gets petted a lot and has a great life.
If you've had a similar problem and solved it painlessly, clue me in.
Luk
*~*SooZy*~* - 09 Jul 2003 22:41 GMT > A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill > years ago. Perhaps a dozen years ago. He was extremely [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Luk can you not get a diet version of this food?
Luk - 10 Jul 2003 01:27 GMT .
> > His food agrees with him. Too much so. He has become > > a fat cat. I'd like to cut his food back, but when he's > > hungry, he's very insistent. > > > If you've had a similar problem and solved it painlessly, > > clue me in.
> can you not get a diet version of this food? Sorry, I forgot to add - He's been on reduced calorie maintenance food for years.
Luk
zuzu22@webtv.net - 15 Jul 2003 07:24 GMT >He's been on reduced calorie >maintenance food for years. A cat will get fat on a "reduced calorie" diet if it is allowed to eat it all day. There is a simple and easy to deal with solution to your problem, and your cat will be much healthier for it. Stop free feeding, feed your cat on a schedule (every 12 hours is optimal), eliminate dry food altogether and feed your cat a strictly canned food diet. As a rule canned food is usually less calories per cup than dry, so a cat can eat less calories but still get enough food to feel full. I have been doing this with 25 cats for years and it has worked very well.
A good high quality canned food that has a variety of flavors, an acceptable phosphorus level and is lower in calories than most is Wellness. If you go to http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com there is a store locator that will help you find where to purchase it. It is more expensive, but for one cat that should be no big deal and it is a better quality food than the cheap stuff so your cat won't need to eat as much. You'll definitely notice a difference in his coat in just a few short weeks. Noticing weight loss will take longer, and it is important that a cat loses weight slowly. Cutting back food too drastically can cause some cats to develop hepatic lipidosis.
You will probably end up feeding about 1/2 or 1/3 can twice a day, although that amount may be slightly more in the beginning depending on how big he is. How much does he weigh? How much should he weigh? I should also note here that if you feed part of a can that has been refrigerated you should warm it up in the microwave so it is room temperature or slightly warmer. Eating very cold food is not pleasant to most cats and will often cause them to vomit it back up.
It also will be helpful to get your cat to exercise. A laser pointer is a great option to increase your cat's activity level. From your original post it doesn't sound like this cat gets much in the way of attention and my guess is that he overeats because he is bored. It wouldn't hurt to put a birdfeeder outside one of your windows, maybe get a cat video to play for him, and get toys you can use to play with him, such as a wand with feathers on it. HTH.
Megan
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MaryL - 15 Jul 2003 18:44 GMT > >He's been on reduced calorie > >maintenance food for years. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Megan I use much this same system with Holly and Duffy. I used to let Holly free feed. I thought it was successful because her health always seemed good. Then, over the course of a year or so (she is now 9 years old), I noticed that she looked a little heavier. Sure enough, she had gained a pound. Then I changed to Wellness and Felidae canned. Holly's weight dropped back to her optimal level. I was amazed, because I didn't change food for weight-reduction reasons, and she never seemed hungry through this process. She and Duffy are both thriving on the diet, have luxurious coats, and display lots of energy. In both cases, their weight has now remained completely stable at what I (and the vet) consider their optimal weights.
I stick to a 12-hour feeding schedule, or as close to that as possible. Each cat gets 1/3 can twice per day (sizes are 5.5 oz. cans of Wellness or 6.0 oz. cans of Felidae). I open one can for one meal and use 2/3 of it, divided between the two cats; then repeat the process for the next meal. This will leave 1/3 can in two separate cans for the next meal. I microwave that for a short time to gently warm it. (Note: feeding twice a day, not three times) This doesn't cost as much extra as I expected because my furbabies don't eat as much as when I used dry food (and free feeding). Nevertheless, they always seem satisfied.
MaryL
Luk - 15 Jul 2003 19:34 GMT Thanks for the continued responses.
I think my problem has been that a begging pet tends to drive me up a wall and it always seems easier to let the pet have the food it wants.
Luk
Karen Chuplis - 10 Jul 2003 00:45 GMT > A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill > years ago. Perhaps a dozen years ago. He was extremely [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Luk I've heard about the most effective way to help a cat lose weight is fixed feedings with canned food. Dry food is high in carbohydrates and less filling. I know there will be scads of help for you here soon.
Karen
Luk - 10 Jul 2003 01:31 GMT > I've heard about the most effective way to help a cat lose weight is fixed > feedings with canned food. Dry food is high in carbohydrates and less > filling. I know there will be scads of help for you here soon. Interesting.
But isn't it a problem dealing with canned food? Cats like to eat in small amounts. I would think using canned food would keep me running back and forth to the refrigerator, and putting the opened cans back until the next snack.
Luk
Katrina - 10 Jul 2003 03:10 GMT > > I've heard about the most effective way to help a cat lose weight is fixed > > feedings with canned food. Dry food is high in carbohydrates and less [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Luk that would depend on the cat(s) ... my two will eat as much as you put in front of them at one sitting and then cry for more soon after!! At least it seems that way ... they could certainly eat an entire can each at once if given the opportunity!
k - 10 Jul 2003 06:13 GMT Science Diet and Iams make "lite" versions of their kibble. If you can't cut down on the amount though, they may not do any good. Worth a try, and you can work on cutting him down amount-wise. Doesn't hurt to make him ask for food, then give him a measured amount, and when he's done, take his mind off it with play/attention of some kind. Exercise helps. Even if its one 15 minute dedicated play time. If you can get him to chase balls, feathers/shoelaces dragged along the floor. Basically anything that will make him move -- more than he does normally. If those are a bit more pricey than the food you've been feeding him, get a 20lb bag. Keep most in a plastic container, it keeps, and pricewise it won't be any more costly if you've been buying small sizes of other foods. If trying that doesn't help, there's a prescription version of Science Diet, available only at vets. A bit pricey, but worth using long enough to get a grip on the problem. Retraining him to some degree as far as his eating habits is important, and you can do it if you persevere. Cutting him back in any degree, and daily excercise is the key. Takes time, but you can altar his habits. Weight loss with cats is, and should be, slow.
> A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill > years ago. Perhaps a dozen years ago. He was extremely [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Luk Katrina - 10 Jul 2003 06:17 GMT I discovered the answer was adding another (younger, more active) cat to the household!
> A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill > years ago. Perhaps a dozen years ago. He was extremely [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Luk MaryL - 10 Jul 2003 12:10 GMT > A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill > years ago. Perhaps a dozen years ago. He was extremely [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Luk Luk,
I changed from Science Diet Hairball Control (dry) to Wellness canned and Felidae canned (but not for the weight control reasons that you mention). I have been amazed at how little food it takes to keep the two of them healthy and their weight stable. The two cats get a total of 2/3 of a can (that is, 1/3 can per cat of the 5.5 oz. or 6 oz. sizes, depending on brand) twice a day -- fed exactly 12 hours apart, or as close to that as possible. I also give them about 2/3 cup (1/3 cup per cat) of Wellness dry approximately every 3 days.
This might work well for you. My cats do not appear hungry in between meals, but they do head right for their bowls when I get the food out. Their weight is stable, and they are very healthy. My primary problem was some difficulty in getting them to accept the change from dry to moist food. It was difficult for awhile because they clearly preferred the dry food, and I had agonizing guilt trips about it. Now that they are used to it, they like the moist food and there are no signs of dissatisfaction -- but lots of signs of good health. I have made arrangements with a friend to come in and feed them if I were ever involved in an emergency (such as hospitalization). I think this type of arrangement is vital because there is no dry food available to them for free feeding, but I would want them to be checked and played with under these circumstances even if they did have extra food.
MaryL
Photos of Duffy and Holly (pictorial history of my blind cat Duffy's integration into our household): Duffy, Part I: The Introduction -- http://tinyurl.com/8y54 Duffy, Part II: Life at Home -- http://tinyurl.com/8y56
MaryL - 10 Jul 2003 12:20 GMT > > Not wanting to fuss with food, I elected to feed him dry > > pellets, the most reliable brand I could find. His fur went [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Luk Another point (follow-up to my post about canned food): As some others have mentoned, extra exercise would be helpful (now, if only I could convice myself to do the same for my own health!!). I have lots of different cat toys around, but some of the best exercise -- and fun, both for Holly and for me -- comes from using a laser pointer. Holly will go into the most remarkable spins and contortions as she chases after it. She enjoys it so thoroughly that she jumps up into my lap and reaches into the drawer of the chair-side chest as soon as I reach for the drawer where I keep the pointer. This would be a very good (and inexpensive) investment if you don't have one. Of course, don't overdo it -- if your cat is overweight and underexercised, you would want to limit this to only a few minutes at a time.
MaryL
Luk - 10 Jul 2003 14:55 GMT Allow me to thank you all for your advice. Feel free to add more if something comes to mind.
I'll wind up talking it all into consideration and mapping out a plan. I'm hoping my plan will not be a time consuming one. The reason I described how I happened to have a cat in the first place was to emphasize that my time is limited and that although I've come to like and respect the cat who came to live with me, I can't set aside a great deal of time to devote to him.
The debate on dry versus wet food is interesting. It appears my predicament is the result of establishing habits that now aren't helpful. I'm not looking forward to changing the dining style of a cat well set in his ways.
So we'll see how it goes.
Once again, for those who didn't catch it, my cat *has* been on a low fat, low calorie dry food for years. Apparently there are still substantial calories in it, though, since he has become quite heavy. I had believed (hoped) an animal who is free to choose would properly regulate his own intake. Apparently not. He spends considerable time outside so one would also think he'd exercise himself adequately. But at his present weight he probably has slowed down.
Outside of weight control he's been supremely healthy and no trouble to live with.
Luk
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