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Luk - 09 Jul 2003 20:14 GMT
A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill
years ago.  Perhaps a dozen years ago.  He was extremely
thin and hungry.  Though it was never my plan to own
a cat, I took him in and could never bring myself to take
him to the pound.   Turns  out he's a very agreeable cat.

Not wanting to fuss with food, I elected to feed him dry
pellets, the most reliable brand I could find.  His fur went
from sparse to thick and his weight normalized.  I just
leave his food in a bowl and he grazes at his leisure.  A
little at a time, but often.

His food agrees with him.  Too much so.  He has become
a fat cat.  I'd like to cut his food back, but when he's
hungry, he's very insistent.

Are there any tricks to helping this cat thin down that won't
result in his driving me crazy?  Don't tell me he's starved
for love and attention, because that's definitely not the
case.  He gets petted a lot and has a great life.

If you've had a similar problem and solved it painlessly,
clue me in.

Luk
*~*SooZy*~* - 09 Jul 2003 22:41 GMT
> A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill
> years ago.  Perhaps a dozen years ago.  He was extremely
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>
> Luk

can you not get a diet version of this food?
Luk - 10 Jul 2003 01:27 GMT
.

> > His food agrees with him.  Too much so.  He has become
> > a fat cat.  I'd like to cut his food back, but when he's
> > hungry, he's very insistent.
>
> > If you've had a similar problem and solved it painlessly,
> > clue me in.

> can you not get a diet version of this food?

Sorry, I forgot to add -
He's been on reduced calorie maintenance food for years.

Luk
zuzu22@webtv.net - 15 Jul 2003 07:24 GMT
>He's been on reduced calorie
>maintenance food for years.

A cat will get fat on a "reduced calorie" diet if it is allowed to eat
it all day. There is a simple and easy to deal with solution to your
problem, and your cat will be much healthier for it. Stop free feeding,
feed your cat on a schedule (every 12 hours is optimal), eliminate dry
food altogether and feed your cat a strictly canned food diet. As a rule
canned food is usually less calories per cup than dry, so a cat can eat
less calories but still get enough food to feel full. I have been doing
this with 25 cats for years and it has worked very well.

A good high quality canned food that has a variety of flavors, an
acceptable phosphorus level and is lower in calories than most is
Wellness. If you go to http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com there is a store
locator that will help you find where to purchase it. It is more
expensive, but for one cat that should be no big deal and it is a better
quality food than the cheap stuff so your cat won't need to eat as much.
You'll definitely notice a difference in his coat in just a few short
weeks. Noticing weight loss will take longer, and it is important that a
cat loses weight slowly. Cutting back food too drastically can cause
some cats to develop hepatic lipidosis.

You will probably end up feeding about 1/2 or 1/3 can twice a day,
although that amount may be slightly more in the beginning depending on
how big he is. How much does he weigh? How much should he weigh? I
should also note here that if you feed part of a can that has been
refrigerated you should warm it up in the microwave so it is room
temperature or slightly warmer. Eating very cold food is not pleasant to
most cats and will often cause them to vomit it back up.

It also will be helpful to get your cat to exercise. A laser pointer is
a great option to increase your cat's activity level. From your original
post it doesn't sound like this cat gets much in the way of attention
and my guess is that he overeats because he is bored. It wouldn't hurt
to put a birdfeeder outside one of your windows, maybe get a cat video
to play for him, and get toys you can use to play with him, such as a
wand with feathers on it. HTH.

Megan

                                   
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MaryL - 15 Jul 2003 18:44 GMT
> >He's been on reduced calorie
> >maintenance food for years.
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>
> Megan

I use much this same system with Holly and Duffy.  I used to let Holly free
feed.  I thought it was successful because her health always seemed good.
Then, over the course of a year or so (she is now 9 years old), I noticed
that she looked a little heavier.  Sure enough, she had gained a pound.
Then I changed to Wellness and Felidae canned.  Holly's weight dropped back
to her optimal level.  I was amazed, because I didn't change food for
weight-reduction reasons, and she never seemed hungry through this process.
She and Duffy are both thriving on the diet, have luxurious coats, and
display lots of energy.  In both cases, their weight has now remained
completely stable at what I (and the vet) consider their optimal weights.

I stick to a 12-hour feeding schedule, or as close to that as possible.
Each cat gets 1/3 can twice per day (sizes are 5.5 oz. cans of Wellness or
6.0 oz. cans of Felidae).  I open one can for one meal and use 2/3 of it,
divided between the two cats; then repeat the process for the next meal.
This will leave 1/3 can in two separate cans for the next meal.  I microwave
that for a short time to gently warm it.  (Note:  feeding twice a day, not
three times)  This doesn't cost as much extra as I expected because my
furbabies don't eat as much as when I used dry food (and free feeding).
Nevertheless, they always seem satisfied.

MaryL
Luk - 15 Jul 2003 19:34 GMT
Thanks for the continued responses.

I think my problem has been that a begging pet tends
to drive me up a wall and it always seems easier to
let the pet have the food it wants.

Luk
Karen Chuplis - 10 Jul 2003 00:45 GMT
> A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill
> years ago.  Perhaps a dozen years ago.  He was extremely
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>
> Luk

I've heard about the most effective way to help a cat lose weight is fixed
feedings with canned food. Dry food is high in carbohydrates and less
filling. I know there will be scads of help for you here soon.

Karen
Luk - 10 Jul 2003 01:31 GMT
> I've heard about the most effective way to help a cat lose weight is fixed
> feedings with canned food. Dry food is high in carbohydrates and less
> filling. I know there will be scads of help for you here soon.

Interesting.

But isn't it a problem dealing with canned food?  Cats
like to eat in small amounts.  I would think using canned
food would keep me running back and forth to the
refrigerator, and putting the opened cans back
until the next snack.

Luk
Katrina - 10 Jul 2003 03:10 GMT
> > I've heard about the most effective way to help a cat lose weight is fixed
> > feedings with canned food. Dry food is high in carbohydrates and less
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>
> Luk

that would depend on the cat(s) ... my two will eat as much as you put in
front of them at one sitting and then cry for more soon after!! At least it
seems that way ... they could certainly eat an entire can each at once if
given the opportunity!
k - 10 Jul 2003 06:13 GMT
Science Diet and Iams make
"lite" versions of their kibble.
If you can't cut down on the amount though,
they may not do any good. Worth a try,
and you can work on cutting him down amount-wise.
Doesn't hurt to make him ask for food,
then give him a measured amount, and when
he's done, take his mind off it with play/attention
of some kind. Exercise helps. Even if its
one 15 minute dedicated play time. If you
can get him to chase balls, feathers/shoelaces
dragged along the floor. Basically anything
that will make him move -- more than he does normally.
If those are a bit more pricey than the food
you've been feeding him, get a 20lb bag.
Keep most in a plastic container, it keeps,
and pricewise it won't be any more costly
if you've been buying small sizes of other foods.
If trying that doesn't help, there's a prescription
version of Science Diet, available only at vets.
A bit pricey, but worth using long enough to
get a grip on the problem. Retraining him
to some degree as far as his eating habits
is important, and you can do it if you persevere.
Cutting him back in any degree, and daily
excercise is the key. Takes time, but
you can altar his habits. Weight loss with
cats is, and should be, slow.

> A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill
> years ago.  Perhaps a dozen years ago.  He was extremely
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Luk
Katrina - 10 Jul 2003 06:17 GMT
I discovered the answer was adding another (younger, more active) cat to the
household!

> A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill
> years ago.  Perhaps a dozen years ago.  He was extremely
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Luk
MaryL - 10 Jul 2003 12:10 GMT
> A grown cat in poor condition arrived on our windowsill
> years ago.  Perhaps a dozen years ago.  He was extremely
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Luk

Luk,

I changed from Science Diet Hairball Control (dry) to Wellness canned and
Felidae canned (but not for the weight control reasons that you mention).  I
have been amazed at how little food it takes to keep the two of them healthy
and their weight stable.  The two cats get a total of 2/3 of a can (that is,
1/3 can per cat of the 5.5 oz. or 6 oz. sizes, depending on brand) twice a
day -- fed exactly 12 hours apart, or as close to that as possible.  I also
give them about 2/3 cup (1/3 cup per cat) of Wellness dry approximately
every 3 days.

This might work well for you.  My cats do not appear hungry in between
meals, but they do head right for their bowls when I get the food out.
Their weight is stable, and they are very healthy.  My primary problem was
some difficulty in getting them to accept the change from dry to moist food.
It was difficult for awhile because they clearly preferred the dry food, and
I had agonizing guilt trips about it.  Now that they are used to it, they
like the moist food and there are no signs of dissatisfaction -- but lots of
signs of good health.  I have made arrangements with a friend to come in and
feed them if I were ever involved in an emergency (such as hospitalization).
I think this type of arrangement is vital because there is no dry food
available to them for free feeding, but I would want them to be checked and
played with under these circumstances even if they did have extra food.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly (pictorial history of my blind cat Duffy's
integration into our household):
Duffy, Part I: The Introduction -- http://tinyurl.com/8y54
Duffy, Part II: Life at Home -- http://tinyurl.com/8y56
MaryL - 10 Jul 2003 12:20 GMT
> > Not wanting to fuss with food, I elected to feed him dry
> > pellets, the most reliable brand I could find.  His fur went
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> >
> > Luk

Another point (follow-up to my post about canned food):  As some others have
mentoned, extra exercise would be helpful (now, if only I could convice
myself to do the same for my own health!!).  I have lots of different cat
toys around, but some of the best exercise -- and fun, both for Holly and
for me -- comes from using a laser pointer.  Holly will go into the most
remarkable spins and contortions as she chases after it.  She enjoys it so
thoroughly that she jumps up into my lap and reaches into the drawer of the
chair-side chest as soon as I reach for the drawer where I keep the pointer.
This would be a very good (and inexpensive) investment if you don't have
one.  Of course, don't overdo it -- if your cat is overweight and
underexercised, you would want to limit this to only a few minutes at a
time.

MaryL
Luk - 10 Jul 2003 14:55 GMT
Allow me to thank you all for your advice.  Feel free to
add more if something comes to mind.

I'll wind up talking it all into consideration and mapping
out a plan.  I'm hoping my plan will not be a time consuming
one.  The reason I described how I happened to have a cat
in the first place was to emphasize that my time is limited
and that although I've come to like and respect the cat
who came to live with me, I can't set aside a great deal of
time to devote to him.

The debate on dry versus wet food is interesting.  It
appears my predicament is the result of establishing habits
that now aren't helpful.   I'm not looking forward to changing
the dining style of a cat well set in his ways.

So we'll see how it goes.

Once again, for those who didn't catch it, my cat *has* been
on a low fat, low calorie dry food for years.  Apparently there
are still substantial calories in it, though, since he has become
quite heavy.  I had believed (hoped) an animal who is
free to choose would properly regulate his own intake.
Apparently not.  He spends considerable time outside so
one would also think he'd exercise himself adequately.
But at his present weight he probably has slowed down.

Outside of weight control he's been supremely healthy
and no trouble to live with.

Luk
 
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