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Jeffrey Kaplan - 18 Aug 2005 20:01 GMT Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when obviously hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? This seems to be what Delany is doing.
Plus, it's getting harder to buy food for her, since foods that she liked last week are now getting shunned.
Like most cats, she liked most of the Fancy Feasts, but those are expensive. She also liked many of the canned Friskies, but they give her gas which +I+ don't like. 9Lives is unavailable in anything but fourpacks of the same flavor, and I don't want to wind up buying four cans of something she won't eat. She tends to shun almost all Whiskas canned food, which essentially leaves a shrinking variety of Alpo flavors.
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Newbie - 18 Aug 2005 21:17 GMT : Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when obviously : hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? This seems to be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : canned food, which essentially leaves a shrinking variety of Alpo : flavors. If you have a Petsmart near you, they have a large selection, sell almost anything (though not everything) by single cans/pouches, and have periodic sales, which makes it easy to experiment around.
Remember, if she likes A and you have also bought B which is great nutrition but she wont touch, you can always use it up by mixing a little bit of it with a larger amount of A each meal.
Friskies have so many types, she is sure to appreciate some. They are normally priced 32c (~2 meals per can), 25c on sale. Whiskas is less good, so it's just fine if she won't eat it.
Right now they have a sale on Meox Mix pouches (25c, down from 39c, one meal per pouch). Those are popular with my cat.
Other premium brands like Nutro, Science Diet, Iams, etc., often go on sale for around 50c a can.
[My rule of thumb is to look for labels where first 1-2 ingredients are named meats, next 1-2 either such meats or named by-products (e.g., "poutry byproducts" rather than generic "meat byproducts"), any grains should come only later if at all.]
Keep feeding her whatever she likes at least once a day while you experiment around. It is frustrating but pay attention (texture, type of meat, etc) and you will get better. :)
With my cat I began by learning that she is at best lukewarm towards chicken, preferring beef, tuna, even turkey. Also, seemed to prefer chunks-in-gravy to paste. But chunks should not be too large, or else she would just lick the gravy and leave meat behind, "bits and pieces" in gravy is more like it. Thanks to a suggestion by Phil, I also discovered that she'd happily eat loaf type food if cut up in small pieces (so even gravy is not essential) rather than mashed up with a spoon as I was doing. Little by little we learn...
Jeffrey Kaplan - 19 Aug 2005 20:04 GMT It is alleged that Newbie claimed:
> If you have a Petsmart near you, they have a large selection, sell > almost anything (though not everything) by single cans/pouches, and > have periodic sales, which makes it easy to experiment around. It's about a half hour away. Last time I looked at their food selection, it was all either Science Diet/Iams type "designer food" or exactly what I can get at the local megamart, for roughly the same price, certainly not cheaper enough to make the special trip worth it.
> Friskies have so many types, she is sure to appreciate some. They are She does like most of the Friskies. The problem with it is that they all give her gas, which +I+ don't like. Cat farts... ewww.
> Right now they have a sale on Meox Mix pouches (25c, down from 39c, one > meal per pouch). Those are popular with my cat. I always thought of the pouched stuff as treats, not as regular food.
> Other premium brands like Nutro, Science Diet, Iams, etc., often go on > sale for around 50c a can. At that price, I may as well feed her Fancy Feast.
> Keep feeding her whatever she likes at least once a day while you > experiment around. It is frustrating but pay attention (texture, type > of meat, etc) and you will get better. :) I think a large part of it may be texture, as the Friskies she likes best are "flaked", "ground", etc, not the pate type stuff most of the others are.
> With my cat I began by learning that she is at best lukewarm towards > chicken, preferring beef, tuna, even turkey. Also, seemed to prefer She likes tuna and she likes chicken, but not tuna-and-chicken. One thing I find odd is that she likes the salmon-and-shrimp treats, but not so much the salmon-and-shrimp food.
> chunks-in-gravy to paste. But chunks should not be too large, or else > she would just lick the gravy and leave meat behind, "bits and pieces" > in gravy is more like it. Thanks to a suggestion by Phil, I also > discovered that she'd happily eat loaf type food if cut up in small > pieces (so even gravy is not essential) rather than mashed up with a > spoon as I was doing. Little by little we learn... Hmm.. I'll have to pay attention to that. Sometimes I've been mashing, sometimes I've been cutting, the pate-style foods.
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Newbie - 19 Aug 2005 20:50 GMT : She does like most of the Friskies. The problem with it is that they : all give her gas, which +I+ don't like. Cat farts... ewww. I have never had that problem. Maybe one of the experts here can guess which ingredient in Friskies is not agreeing with your cat. I'd have thought that with so many different products, some Friskies would have worked for you. If not, may there is some ingredient common to the entire line.
: > Right now they have a sale on Meox Mix pouches (25c, down from 39c, : > one meal per pouch). Those are popular with my cat. : I always thought of the pouched stuff as treats, not as regular food. Food as well as treats are sold in pouches. I prefer cans for my own storing convenience, but Meow Mix sale is a good, so I stocked up.
: > Other premium brands like Nutro, Science Diet, Iams, etc., often : > go on sale for around 50c a can. : At that price, I may as well feed her Fancy Feast. If your cat especially likes FF, no reason not to make it a part of her diet. At Petsmart they are 84 c per day (2 small cans) but keep an eye on other stores as well as sales.
Mine is kind enough to like other good brands just as much, so I stay in the 25 c (Friskies) to 50 c (Nutro, Science Diet, Iams, Meow Mix, etc) per day range.
: I think a large part of it may be texture...Sometimes I've been mashing, : sometimes I've been cutting, the pate-style foods. Yes, I learned to keep on learning. :-)
Mine doesn't like real "paste", she would eats "loaf" if cut up in small pieces. Gravy is always good, but can be so good that she would only lick the gravy, leaving most of the meat behind! Solution: chop, dice or crush meat pieces into small bits that get licked up along with the gravy and are hard to leave behind.
Jeffrey Kaplan - 20 Aug 2005 03:02 GMT It is alleged that Newbie claimed:
> : She does like most of the Friskies. The problem with it is that they > : all give her gas, which +I+ don't like. Cat farts... ewww. > > I have never had that problem. Maybe one of the experts here can guess Delany is the first cat I know of that has this problem with Friskies.
> : At that price, I may as well feed her Fancy Feast. > If your cat especially likes FF, no reason not to make it a part of her > diet. At Petsmart they are 84 c per day (2 small cans) but keep an eye > on other stores as well as sales. The price is the reason why it's not part of her regular diet. I fed her FF for a couple of months while she was still a growing kitten, though.
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Barrnabas Collins - 19 Aug 2005 00:26 GMT >Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when obviously >hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? This seems to be >what Delany is doing. Have you taken the cat to the vet?
The first thing that occurred to me after reading this is a Sinus Condition that prevernts the cat from smelling the food.
The sense of smell is important for cats, that is how they identify you, their food, other cats, etc.
I'm not a vet nor do I play one on TV so seek out your local vet and have it checked out.
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Jeffrey Kaplan - 19 Aug 2005 20:06 GMT It is alleged that Barrnabas Collins claimed:
> >Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when obviously > >hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? This seems to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The first thing that occurred to me after reading this is a Sinus > Condition that prevernts the cat from smelling the food. She isn't giving any other indication of a problem with smelling things. She sniffs at other things, like the food I'm eating, and then tries to steal it, or cuts of sandwich meat I leave for her on purpose.
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carola - 19 Aug 2005 05:45 GMT : Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when obviously : hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? This seems to be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : canned food, which essentially leaves a shrinking variety of Alpo : flavors. Can you get Felix - jelly?
carola
Jeffrey Kaplan - 19 Aug 2005 20:06 GMT It is alleged that carola claimed:
> : Like most cats, she liked most of the Fancy Feasts, but those are > : expensive. She also liked many of the canned Friskies, but they give [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Can you get Felix - jelly? Never heard of it.
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Larry - 20 Aug 2005 01:34 GMT Felix Jelly is meat in an aspic-type sauce. Jeff, I expect you are in the USA but Felix Jelly is not available there.
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> It is alleged that carola claimed: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Never heard of it. Cheryl - 20 Aug 2005 02:56 GMT > Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when > obviously hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? > This seems to be what Delany is doing. IME, yes. I have one who refuses to eat canned food (former feral, fed dry food while she was elusive in my yard before I trapped her). She'd rather pull out her fur from food-stress than eat canned food. A pair of littermates rescued last October that I took in in November are very picky about canned food. They also ate only dry Kitten chow for their first 8 weeks in captivity.
> Plus, it's getting harder to buy food for her, since foods that > she liked last week are now getting shunned. My rule of thumb is if I buy a case, they won't eat it anymore. lol
> Like most cats, she liked most of the Fancy Feasts, but those > are expensive. The way I look at it is that if they eat all of the FF (which I mainly feed these days because first, they like most of the varieties, and second, if it's consumed, I'm not dumping it down the sink. With 4 cats, only 2 of which eat mainly canned food, I find the small cans more economical because no one likes leftovers. Plus, I can put out a couple of different flavors per meal and let them switch when they want a taste of something else. :)
She also liked many of the canned Friskies, but
> they give her gas which +I+ don't like. 9Lives is unavailable > in anything but fourpacks of the same flavor, and I don't want > to wind up buying four cans of something she won't eat. She > tends to shun almost all Whiskas canned food, which essentially > leaves a shrinking variety of Alpo flavors. From what I've read, 9lives and Whiskas is junk food and not worth feeding. Friskies has some good varieties like the "prime filets" but I don't bother with the rest.
Feeding cats something good for them is a fine art. ;)
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223rem - 20 Aug 2005 03:44 GMT > Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when obviously > hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? This seems to be > what Delany is doing. > > Plus, it's getting harder to buy food for her, since foods that she > liked last week are now getting shunned. I think you're spoiling your cat. My cats turned their noses at Science Diet wet food, but I was not about to throw out the 10 cans I had bought, and finally they ate it. Obviously, eating Science Diet was better than going hungry.
KARL - 21 Aug 2005 00:08 GMT Unless there is a medical problem, I agree with 223rem. I have 2 cats and have always fed them Meow Mix dry and occasionally buy a small bag of what-ever and mix it with the Meow Mix. On the few occasions, one or the other did not eat, I simply did nothing. Your cat will eventually eat like mine did ( i've never heard of a healthy cat starving itselt to death). My cats will not touch human food except for Kentucky Fried Chicken, small amounts given like a treat. Another solution may be competition, get another cat!
Karl
>> Is it normal for a cat to simply refuse to eat, even when obviously >> hungry, if she doesn't like the flavor of the food? This seems to be [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I had bought, and finally they ate it. Obviously, eating Science Diet > was better than going hungry. Jeffrey Kaplan - 21 Aug 2005 18:01 GMT It is alleged that 223rem claimed:
> I think you're spoiling your cat. My cats turned their noses at > Science Diet wet food, but I was not about to throw out the 10 cans > I had bought, and finally they ate it. Obviously, eating Science Diet > was better than going hungry. I've been trying the "it's food, eat it" thing by not refilling the dry or replacing the shunned food until it's gone. And she has gone more than a full day shunning it.
When she does this, she also starts wildly alternating between extra friendly and extra wild. She'll eat the carpet lint and my used Q-tips before eating the canned food she's shunning.
I'm not spoiling her, I'm trying to protect her from herself.
Oh, and she's not a rescue-cat, she was born in the rescue-cat shelter, her mother was pregnant when given to the shelter by a family that was moving and couldn't take her with them. The shelter isn't a kennel, the only cages are used for medical quarantine, the rest of the time the cats have free roam of place.
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