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Daytona - 03 Aug 2005 13:37 GMT
I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a couple of
months that would otherwise have been put to sleep. He's name's Barney
- <URL:http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/JohnsStuff/Barney1.jpg>.
It's a weird situation and I don't have any experience of looking
after animals, so I'd appreciate any thoughts or comments on how to
handle it.

The cat had scratched the owner (my landlord - I live in the grounds
of her house) and infected her with an unknown poison. She's 80 years
old and has been in hospital for 2 weeks as a result. She,
understandably, doesn't want anything to do with the it anymore when
she comes home today. Her daughter (who originally rescued it as a
kitten) is buying a new house and will take it when she moves in, in a
couple of months. She currently lives near a road and feels that it
can't live there as it's not used to roads.

I've always got on well with the cat; he's always wandered in and out
of my house and I feed him when his owner goes on holiday. As I didn't
like the thought of an otherwise healthy cat being put to sleep, I
offered to look after it for the daughter and she's really grateful.

The problem I see is keeping the cat away from my landlady. It's got
plenty of space - about 4 acres, half woodland half garden but it
likes company and usually follows her about when she's in the garden.
It occasionally plays games with her, hunting her through the
undergrowth and pouncing. I think it's bored out of it's mind and does
this to entertain itself.

For the past 2 weeks it has spent much of its time with me and I feed
it at lunchtime - the daughter has been feeding it in the morning and
evening. For the first time, for 4 nights out of the last 5 it has
slept with me and has started bringing me the occasional gift of a
dead mouse/vole. The daughter has said that she normally finds dead
mice in the house, but has noticed that he isn't bringing them in
there anymore.

Does this mean that he's accepted me as his new owner ?

The cat flap on his old house has now been blocked up and I have all
his bowls, food brushes, flea treatment etc

Is it possible/fair to attempt to keep him inside all day ?

He seems to spend most of the time with me (I work from home) and the
disappear out in the evening until about midnight. It's a bit of a
pain if I want to go to bed as there's no cat-flap. Do you think I
should get one ?

I would like to help the daughter as much as possible, as she's good
with animals but has had a bad run with her other pets - one dog dying
from cancer, another dog losing the use of it's leg because of
pressure on the spine.

Any thoughts would be great, thanks for any help !

John
Snittens - 03 Aug 2005 14:24 GMT
> I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a couple of
> months that would otherwise have been put to sleep. He's name's Barney
> - <URL:http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/JohnsStuff/Barney1.jpg>.
> It's a weird situation and I don't have any experience of looking
> after animals, so I'd appreciate any thoughts or comments on how to
> handle it.

<snip>

The indoor/outdoor question:  My own personal feelings are that cats should
be indoors if the outdoor environment is not safe (predators, traffic,
neighbors who don't like cats in their yard, etc).  In much of the US, this
is the case.  The indoor/outdoor debate among cat owners often gets divided
along national lines on here.  You have to assess the situation and
determine if this is a safe environment for the cat.  It is not cruel to
keep a cat indoors.  All of mine have been indoor-only for their whole lives
and don't seem to mind.  They have plenty of toys and spaces to climb
inside.  It might be a little tough to convert a cat who is used to going
outside though, but it can be done.

Scratching the landlord:  There is a product called Soft Paws you could get
(www.softpaws.com) and put on the cat to stop him from scratching.  The only
issue I see in doing this is that since he is indoor/outdoor, it might leave
him with less defenses if he were to get into a fight.  Again, this is
something you need to assess.  Are there other cats he is likely to get into
fights with?  Does he need to ward off predators?  Also, was the landlord
doing anything to provoke his scratching?

HTH.

-Kelly
Daytona - 03 Aug 2005 16:05 GMT
>The indoor/outdoor debate among cat owners often gets divided
>along national lines on here.

<g> one of those cultural arguments.....

AFAIC cats are the same the world over so I'll try to do what's best
and avoid all the arguments :-)

>You have to assess the situation and
>determine if this is a safe environment for the cat.  

The environment is safe for the cat, it's whether the cat is safe for
the environment ;-)

It's a rural environment - he stands his ground and frightens off
foxes and he avoids dogs but can fend them off easily if necessary. My
landladies daughters dog Daisy wandered in to my house this morning
(as she does) and disturbed him whilst feeding - she was immediately
chased wimpering outside the house !

>It is not cruel to
>keep a cat indoors.  All of mine have been indoor-only for their whole lives
>and don't seem to mind.  They have plenty of toys and spaces to climb
>inside.  

That's another issue - I think he's bored out of his mind, which is
maybe how he scratched my landlady in the first place - frustrated and
desperate for someone to play with. He is a great hunter - so he
probably gets most entertainment from that.  What are the best toys
for cats ? I tied some bird feathers on some string and wave those
about but he rips them to pieces within seconds. It is impressive to
see cats in action like this.

>It might be a little tough to convert a cat who is used to going
>outside though, but it can be done.

How ? Any pointers ? I'll do some Googling.

>Scratching the landlord:  There is a product called Soft Paws you could get
>(www.softpaws.com) and put on the cat to stop him from scratching.

Interesting idea - thanks ! Although how you put them on without being
scratched is the interesting bit !

>The only
>issue I see in doing this is that since he is indoor/outdoor, it might leave
>him with less defenses if he were to get into a fight.  Again, this is
>something you need to assess.  Are there other cats he is likely to get into
>fights with?  

No other cats

No unknown (to him) dogs

>Does he need to ward off predators?  

Foxes possibly - but from all I've seen they just want to get to the
food thrown out for them and want to avoid him. I've never seen them
fight.

>Also, was the landlord
>doing anything to provoke his scratching?

Good question !

She's an experienced cat and dog keeper, but used to get scratched by
him regularly. She used to play with him - I didn't and I've never
been scratched. He would mock hunt her around the garden. Also I get
the impression that he respects men and doesn't try the same thing
with them. I think her husband punished him the first time it happened
to him as a kitten and he's never forgotten. Would this make sense ?

The closest he gets to hunting me is chasing the long undone laces on
my boots - I don't know whether to encourage this or not in the
circumstances !

Current status - asleep ! -
<URL:http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/JohnsStuff/Barney2.jpg> :-)

Thanks Kelly - off now to investigate SoftPaws !

John
Snittens - 03 Aug 2005 19:06 GMT
> That's another issue - I think he's bored out of his mind, which is
> maybe how he scratched my landlady in the first place - frustrated and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> about but he rips them to pieces within seconds. It is impressive to
> see cats in action like this.

Some of my cats' favorite things are the cat tower, nice and big, covered
with carpet and sisal for them to climb and scratch, fishing pole toys
(stick with a long string with feathers or some sort of toy at the end), and
little mousies that they can bat around.  Another good toy is that circular
track with a ball or mouse in it that can't come out, I forget what it's
called, there was just a thread about it.  You can check out some cool cat
toys at www.drsfostersmith.com.

> How ? Any pointers ? I'll do some Googling.

I don't know really, I just don't let them out.  As in, doors are closed, if
I have them open in nice weather there are screens.  Although I guess that's
another cultural thing, I heard in Europe you don't really have screens in
the windows and doors.  Here they are a must with all the insects.  I'm not
sure how you would do it with no screens.

> Interesting idea - thanks ! Although how you put them on without being
> scratched is the interesting bit !

If he's easy to hold, you should be able to do it.  The one cat I've used
them on (he tends to swipe at me sometimes and sticks his claws out when
kneading on me, ouch!) is not easy to handle so I take him to the vet to
have it done.

>>The only
>>issue I see in doing this is that since he is indoor/outdoor, it might
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> with them. I think her husband punished him the first time it happened
> to him as a kitten and he's never forgotten. Would this make sense ?

Or maybe she was doing something that he mistook for play?  Given her age
and the recent bypass, and the fact that she was gardening (a source of all
sorts of bacteria) she probably got an infection much much easier than
anyone else would have.  The cat could have barely broken the skin.  I would
just advice her to be careful of him.  Maybe spray some bitter apple on her
arms and legs.
Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
>> That's another issue - I think he's bored out of his mind, which is
>> maybe how he scratched my landlady in the first place - frustrated and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>called, there was just a thread about it.  You can check out some cool cat
>toys at www.drsfostersmith.com.

Excellent - thanks - I'll go and buy some from the local pet store.

>> How ? Any pointers ? I'll do some Googling.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>the windows and doors.  Here they are a must with all the insects.  I'm not
>sure how you would do it with no screens.

There's no real need for screens in the UK, although were well used to
seeing them in films and when we go abroad - the only time they'd make
sense would be in the midge breeding season May to August in the wet
areas hilly areas of Scotland and Wales.

>> Interesting idea - thanks ! Although how you put them on without being
>> scratched is the interesting bit !
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>kneading on me, ouch!) is not easy to handle so I take him to the vet to
>have it done.

Thanks for the information - we're going to try and get some SoftPaws.
Apparently the infection was in a scratch, not a bite, although as
people have said, the infection could have come from anywhere.

>Maybe spray some bitter apple on her
>arms and legs.

I really appreciate the help - thanks!

Currently he's settled down after pitiful meowing to go out, just
lying there staring at me although he still half closes his eye's at
me which is something I guess !

John
John - 03 Aug 2005 23:24 GMT
><snip>
>
>The indoor/outdoor question:  My own personal feelings are that cats should
>be indoors if the outdoor environment is not safe (predators, traffic,
>neighbors who don't like cats in their yard, etc).  In much of the US, this
>is the case.  

Hogwash!  I live in Great Britain.  Britain is a small island with 62
Million population.  I live in an urban area on a busy main road.  Our
cat is let out all the time, day and night. Whenever he wants to go
out he can.

What is a neighbour who doesn't like cats in his yard going to do? I
think you will generally find that most people don't really care. They
are not going to go to the trouble of running out the house every time
they see a cat in their back garden just to scare him off.  Even if
there was the odd person that did, so what?  Cat just moves elsewhere
and learns that patch isn't part of his range.

>The indoor/outdoor debate among cat owners often gets divided
>along national lines on here.  You have to assess the situation and
>determine if this is a safe environment for the cat.  It is not cruel to
>keep a cat indoors.  

If the cat has 'never ever' been outside and has been artificially
confined to a life indoors, then the cat wouldn't know any different,
so even as a person who is against confinement of cats indoors I would
admit that wouldn't make a difference, although it would be nice for
them to get out and experience the real world and what normal cats
engage in.  I would also say, even though I am against de-clawing, if
you have a cat that has been de-clawed, it would be cruel to not keep
them indoors permanently!

>All of mine have been indoor-only for their whole lives
>and don't seem to mind.  

They don't know any different.

>They have plenty of toys and spaces to climb
>inside.  

That's a relief.  What do they do when no body is in? Watch TV?
Entertain themselves? Or is someone always in?

>It might be a little tough to convert a cat who is used to going
>outside though, but it can be done.

It "would" be cruel to convert a cat who regularly goes outside and is
allowed to live the life a normal cat should live, and experience
outside life.  Even keeping them inside for up to a month to get them
used to a new home after a move is a pretty traumatic and unsettling
period for a cat that has a routine and regularly ventures outside.
By the time their settling in period is up and the door to the outside
world is opened, you notice a remarkable difference. It makes them so
happy to get outside and explore once again. There mood changes from
one of depression and being withdrawn to being a happy active cat
again, one of a cat that is allowed to be a cat, and enjoy freedom.

>Scratching the landlord:  There is a product called Soft Paws you could get
>(www.softpaws.com) and put on the cat to stop him from scratching.  

Thank God you didn't bring up de-clawing.  At last someone suggesting
something sensible.  Not that it is really needed IMHO.

John
Karen - 04 Aug 2005 02:44 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> What is a neighbour who doesn't like cats in his yard going to do?

Unfortuneately, here in the U.S. the cat can often be impounded or even
worse, some nasty people will poison or otherwise harm them :(  Yeah, we're
so nice :(
Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
>>> <snip>
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>worse, some nasty people will poison or otherwise harm them :(  Yeah, we're
>so nice :(

I'd say it's the same in the UK - some people just hate cats.

John
John - 06 Aug 2005 22:18 GMT
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>John

I can't see any animal welfare officers impounding a cat that is
looked after well just for being allowed outside, as normal cats
should be.

Some people don't like cats sure, but I would say the number of people
that would cause deliberate harm to them, and poison them would be
extremely low.  You hear a few cases of cruelty to animals each year,
but we live in civilised societies and most people even if they don't
like cats wouldn't go to the extreme of harming them.  To think this
is a little paranoid in my opinion and an over-reaction.

It's comparable to the terror bombings by Al Qaeda in London.  People
are safe to catch the tube, trains and buses.  The chance of that
happening to them is extremely minuscule.  You have to have more faith
in life.  You can't let anyone prevent you from living a normal life.
If we were to worry about every single possibility and things that are
extremely unlikely to happen, we would never leave the house for fear
of being run over ourselves.

John
Karen - 07 Aug 2005 00:02 GMT
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> John

It isn't that unlikely. Talk to your local Animal Control. YOU might not
read about it in the papers, but it happens way more frequently than you
would like to think. Animals don't have the same level of rights or
protection as we do. Especially cats.
Snittens - 08 Aug 2005 04:11 GMT
> It isn't that unlikely. Talk to your local Animal Control. YOU might not
> read about it in the papers, but it happens way more frequently than you
> would like to think. Animals don't have the same level of rights or
> protection as we do. Especially cats.

Yep, it does.  The shelter I'm at gets cats from Animal Control.  It doesn't
matter if the cat looks well cared for, if it has no ID and is on someone's
property, AC picks it up.  Last year we had a cat at the shelter and the
owner came to see if he was there.  He was, and the owner asked where he was
picked up.  The address was two houses down.
You have no idea how many times I talk to someone who is looking for their
missing cat.  Gee, why is he missing?  Because he's allowed outside!  Or
people who are looking for a new cat and I ask what happened to the previous
cat, "oh he was attacked by a dog, a coyote, ran over, disappeared, etc"
I don't get on UK people about letting their cats out because I've never
been there so I don't know what the situation is like for cats going
outside.  I would however suspect a busy urban area is the same as one here.
I know what things are like where I am for cats outside, so I strongly
recommend against it.

-Kelly
M.C. Mullen - 08 Aug 2005 05:54 GMT
: > It isn't that unlikely. Talk to your local Animal Control. YOU might not
: > read about it in the papers, but it happens way more frequently than you
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
:
: -Kelly

A friend's cat got shot in Northern England ... and survived after some
severe surgery.

Carola
Snittens - 04 Aug 2005 19:32 GMT
> Hogwash!  I live in Great Britain.  Britain is a small island with 62
> Million population.  I live in an urban area on a busy main road.  Our
> cat is let out all the time, day and night. Whenever he wants to go
> out he can.

Well, here the traffic goes pretty fast and cats get run over.  We also have
coyotes in this area.  I don't feel it's safe in this type of environment to
let a cat out, especially at night.

> What is a neighbour who doesn't like cats in his yard going to do? I
> think you will generally find that most people don't really care. They
> are not going to go to the trouble of running out the house every time
> they see a cat in their back garden just to scare him off.  Even if
> there was the odd person that did, so what?  Cat just moves elsewhere
> and learns that patch isn't part of his range.

Poison the cat.  It happens.

> If the cat has 'never ever' been outside and has been artificially
> confined to a life indoors, then the cat wouldn't know any different,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> you have a cat that has been de-clawed, it would be cruel to not keep
> them indoors permanently!

I agree.  I am firmly against declawing, too.

> That's a relief.  What do they do when no body is in? Watch TV?
> Entertain themselves? Or is someone always in?

They don't need me to entertain them 24/7.  I don't have a webcam on when
I'm not home, but I imagine they play with each other, play with their toys,
or sleep.

> It "would" be cruel to convert a cat who regularly goes outside and is
> allowed to live the life a normal cat should live, and experience
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> one of depression and being withdrawn to being a happy active cat
> again, one of a cat that is allowed to be a cat, and enjoy freedom.

Well, I volunteer at a shelter and have adopted out plenty of strays who
were used to living outside to indoor-only homes, and they adapt perfectly
fine.
Daytona - 05 Aug 2005 15:29 GMT
>> That's a relief.  What do they do when no body is in? Watch TV?
>> Entertain themselves? Or is someone always in?
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>were used to living outside to indoor-only homes, and they adapt perfectly
>fine.

Barney is alternating between crying and sleeping at the moment - this
is his second day in. I've arranged with the daughter that he can go
out between roughly 6pm and 9am (starting last night) - I think that's
the best compromise and it's just a case of him getting used to it. I
think it's more the loss of freedom to come and go at any time that is
the problem.

He seems to get very active around 8pm - are cats naturally nocturnal
or do they all differ/adjust to their owners ?

He hasn't used the litter tray - I don't actually know if he's litter
trained or not, but I've read a bit about it and am watching out for
signs.

I feel rather tied to the house during the day as I don't think that
it's fair to go out and leave him, at least until he's got his head
around the timetable.

I've bought a Catit Chase & Scratch - ball/track/scratch thing -
<URL:http://www.petplanet.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=1592&dept_id=22>.

He's not interested for long in any other toy - mouse, boot laces,
feather stick - it's like he's determined not to be pacified, he
want's to go out, which is understandable. I found a good webpage with
loads of ideas on for 'finicky' cats
<URL:http://www.flippyscatpage.com/toys.html>

He's been good so far just a bit of gentle attention getting clawing
to me and a gentle bite (no skin broken) when I was stroking him and
he'd had enough.

I haven't seen him drink yet - how often do they drink ? Do the
chemicals in water bother them ?

I fed him some tuna in brine (the tinned stuff for humans) the other
day but realised that brine might not be so good for him, what do you
think ?

I'm interested in what tail signals they make - I'll do some Googling
and post separately.

Only another two and a half hours to go !

:-)

John
Snittens - 05 Aug 2005 16:15 GMT
> Barney is alternating between crying and sleeping at the moment - this
> is his second day in. I've arranged with the daughter that he can go
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> He seems to get very active around 8pm - are cats naturally nocturnal
> or do they all differ/adjust to their owners ?

Mine tend to get crazy around dusk and dawn.  They start running around the
house, playing tag with each other, playing with their toys.

> He hasn't used the litter tray - I don't actually know if he's litter
> trained or not, but I've read a bit about it and am watching out for
> signs.

He could be going when he's outside.  Maybe try adding a little soil to the
litter.

> I feel rather tied to the house during the day as I don't think that
> it's fair to go out and leave him, at least until he's got his head
> around the timetable.

I don't think you need to stay with him all the time.  If you have a regular
schedule of when you come and go, it might be good to get him adjusted to
that.

> I've bought a Catit Chase & Scratch - ball/track/scratch thing -
> <URL:http://www.petplanet.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=1592&dept_id=22>.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I haven't seen him drink yet - how often do they drink ? Do the
> chemicals in water bother them ?

I honestly don't know how many times a day a cat drinks.  But, they don't
need as much water as say dogs do.  If he's eating canned food, he could be
getting enough water from that.  If your tap water doesn't taste good to
you, he might not like it either.  Try some bottled water.

> I fed him some tuna in brine (the tinned stuff for humans) the other
> day but realised that brine might not be so good for him, what do you
> think ?

Brine is salty, right?  If it is, then no, it wouldn't be good for him.
Tuna in plain water would be fine as an occasional treat, but not a regular
meal.  You can give him the water from the tuna as well, to help him intake
some water.

> I'm interested in what tail signals they make - I'll do some Googling
> and post separately.

I know a back and forth swishing usually means agitation, or also that the
cat is very engrossed in sometihng.  Mine will do it when they are intently
watching a squirrel outside.
Daytona - 06 Aug 2005 11:54 GMT
>> He hasn't used the litter tray - I don't actually know if he's litter
>> trained or not, but I've read a bit about it and am watching out for
>> signs.
>
>He could be going when he's outside.  Maybe try adding a little soil to the
>litter.

I'm actually using soil from the area of the garden where he normally
goes, rather than kitty litter.

>> I feel rather tied to the house during the day as I don't think that
>> it's fair to go out and leave him, at least until he's got his head
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>schedule of when you come and go, it might be good to get him adjusted to
>that.

OK thanks - any tips for stopping a cat intent on getting out as soon
as you open the door to go out/come back in !? That's a deadly serious
game he's playing at the moment ! I could shut him in the bedroom (and
move his litter tray in) where he spends a fair amount of time
sleeping anyway.

>I honestly don't know how many times a day a cat drinks.  But, they don't
>need as much water as say dogs do.  If he's eating canned food, he could be
>getting enough water from that.  If your tap water doesn't taste good to
>you, he might not like it either.  Try some bottled water.

The tap water tastes fine to me most of the time - sometimes during
the day it tastes chemically so I'll test it before refilling and buy
some bottled water as a backup as that's a good idea as no doubt cats
are far more sensitive than humans anyway ! <g>

>> I fed him some tuna in brine (the tinned stuff for humans) the other
>> day but realised that brine might not be so good for him, what do you
>> think ?
>
>Brine is salty, right?  If it is, then no, it wouldn't be good for him.

Yes it is salty - OK - thanks. Tuna is his favourite food which I use
as a treat so I'll get some in water.

He spent the night outside last night - I left the garage and the car
door ajar and a sleeping bag on the porch (I live in a rural location
tucked away in the grounds of my landladies house, so there's little
chance of crime imo). The temperature was about 12C/54F - I don't know
when it gets too cold for them to stay out.  We're going to fit a cat
flap but the slot is a little narrow for the ones I've looked at so
far.

John
Snittens - 08 Aug 2005 04:13 GMT
> OK thanks - any tips for stopping a cat intent on getting out as soon
> as you open the door to go out/come back in !? That's a deadly serious
> game he's playing at the moment ! I could shut him in the bedroom (and
> move his litter tray in) where he spends a fair amount of time
> sleeping anyway.

One of my cats tends to dart, so I open the door slowly when entering and
look for him.  I block him with my foot or whatever I am carrying.
When I'm leaving,  I just kind of scoot him away.

-Kelly
Daytona - 08 Aug 2005 14:30 GMT
>> OK thanks - any tips for stopping a cat intent on getting out as soon
>> as you open the door to go out/come back in !? That's a deadly serious
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>look for him.  I block him with my foot or whatever I am carrying.
>When I'm leaving,  I just kind of scoot him away.

Thanks - that's what I'm doing, so I just hope that it doesn't
escalate !

John
Ted Davis - 03 Aug 2005 14:48 GMT
>Any thoughts would be great, thanks for any help !

Do a Google search on

 "cat scratch fever"

and/or

 "cat scratch disease"

(with the quotes)

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Daytona - 03 Aug 2005 15:23 GMT
>Do a Google search on
>
>  "cat scratch fever"

Interesting - thanks !

The microbiologists at the hospital were excited as they felt it was
something they'd never seen before - they had to take a sample, grow a
culture before developing/finding a drug that worked, so I hope it
wasn't cat scratch fever/desease as they obviously should have been
aware of it !

John
Karen - 03 Aug 2005 15:54 GMT
> >Do a Google search on
> >
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>
> John

That's a bit wierd tht they were "excited". I think it isn't htat usual to
get an infection from a scratch. I've been scratched a million times by cats
and never gotten sick. Bites are another animal altogether. My guess is the
ladies immunity is down and who knows if she didn't pick up the actual
infection in her garden (entering through the cats scratch).
Daytona - 03 Aug 2005 16:18 GMT
>My guess is the
>ladies immunity is down

Yes, good point ! It could be, due to age and the fact that she had a
heart bypass operation last year.

>and who knows if she didn't pick up the actual
>infection in her garden (entering through the cats scratch).

Yes, she could have done - it's difficult to say. I haven't spoken to
her yet, but from what I hear, she seems to think it was the cat, so
maybe she's just grown tired of his behaviour towards her.....

John
Ted Davis - 03 Aug 2005 21:10 GMT
>>Do a Google search on
>>
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>wasn't cat scratch fever/desease as they obviously should have been
>aware of it !

Since it's mostly a childhood disease, they might not think of it in
an elderly patient.  I didn't start keeping cats until I was about
thirty, and was nearly forty when I caught it, so it really may be
more an issue of how long serious cat exposure has been going on
rather than an age thing.

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sriddles@aol.com - 03 Aug 2005 16:35 GMT
> The problem I see is keeping the cat away from my landlady. It's got
> plenty of space - about 4 acres, half woodland half garden but it
> likes company and usually follows her about when she's in the garden.
> It occasionally plays games with her, hunting her through the
> undergrowth and pouncing. I think it's bored out of it's mind and does
> this to entertain itself.

Maybe you could let him out in "shifts"--during the time the landlady
stays indoors. Or get a catflap that you could lock when she's outside.
Or, it really sounds like he scratched her in play. If she's just more
careful about his "play mode", she could avoid getting scratched.
It does sound like he likes the new arrangement and he's well on his
way to accepting you as his new person.
Sorry I can't offer more. I think it's great you're helping this cat.
Lucky him.

Sherry
Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 13:31 GMT
>Maybe you could let him out in "shifts"--during the time the landlady
>stays indoors. Or get a catflap that you could lock when she's outside.
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>Sorry I can't offer more. I think it's great you're helping this cat.
>Lucky him.

Thanks Sherry - I'm letting him out when he wants to during the
night/morning - about 8pm-11pm also 5am-6am. I haven't seen my
landlady yet to arrange anything more.

John
-L. - 03 Aug 2005 16:49 GMT
> I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a couple of
> months that would otherwise have been put to sleep. He's name's Barney
> - <URL:http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/JohnsStuff/Barney1.jpg>.
> It's a weird situation and I don't have any experience of looking
> after animals, so I'd appreciate any thoughts or comments on how to
> handle it.

Cats scratch for a reason.  Either she was petting the cat and it got
overstimulated and scratched her to tell her to quit petting, or he was
playing and got too rough.  If you trim his nails short and keep them
trimmed, they will do less damage.  If he is an indoor/outdoor cat he
isn't likely to accept SoftPaws, in my experience - he is most likely
to chew them off.

The best thing to do is to keep him indoors while the lady is outside
and let her know when he is out.  She could also carry a squirt bottle
of water with her, and if he approaches, squirt him, although I would
only do this if others are around as it might make him more aggressive,
so you really have to watch it - it will either repel him or make him
more determined.

Since it is a temporary situation you should be able to come up with a
plan that can work for both of you.

Here's a review of SoftPaws which I wrote awhile back.  If you keep
your kitty's  nails trimmed short, SoftPaws may not be necessary...but
here it goes:

(paste)

SoftPaws

Some people were asking about SoftPaws.  I work at a vet, and apply
these things every day, to all kinds of cats.  Here is my take:

Description:  A set of rubber nail covers which are glued to the nail,
after trimming, with a super-glue-like substance.  They are used to
keep the kitty from scratching things that may be damaged by unaltered
nails.

****************

Pros:
They are really, really easy to apply if kitty cooperates, and will
let you trim her nails easily.  They take about 5-8 minutes to apply,
once you get the hang of it.

They are relatively inexpensive (about $10-12/set, if applied at the
vet, and they last 1-3 months.)  They are even less expensive if you
buy your own kit and apply them at home.

They do not interfere with normal claw usage, but protect things you
do not want scratched, fairly effectively.

Some cats do very, very well with them.

****************

Cons:

Some cats *detest* them, and will fight you tooth and nail (excuse the
pun) when you try to apply them.

Some cats pull them off easily.

The glue is very sticky, and will stick to and damage any surface it
encounters (including human skin).

If the glue touches any skin while wet (human or cat), it burns.  It
is fairly
caustic.

Some cats are allergic to the glue.

If the nail is trimmed too short, the glue can damage the nail bed,
which results in a crusty/ill formed nail, when the nail grows out.
They work best of the nail is trimmed fairly short, and if the glue is
applied in the inner 2/3 of the cap, before application.

The caps need to be fitted properly.  Many technicians tend to use
caps that are too large, and then the cat is constantly fighting with
the caps, as they "feel" awkward.  One cat may need more than one size
of caps to accomodate all nails on the foot (e.g. mediums on all nails
except 'pinky", which needs a small).

The caps need to be applied quickly after the glue is applied...the
glue dries very quickly.  This can be tricky for beginners.

****************

Overall impression:  I think trimming nails often (every 1-2 weeks) is
a better, more wholistic solution to scratching problems, than
SoftPaws.  If you are unable to do this, SoftPaws may be a solution
for you.  Overall, it is a good product, but may not be good for every
cat.

(end of paste)

Good luck,
-L.
rpl - 03 Aug 2005 17:54 GMT
I wouldn't use SoftPaws or blunt the nails on an outdoors cat.  Cat
flaps are useful... don't know if your local wildlife will take
advantage of it... I've always imagined a cat flap in a window as being
better because 'coons and skunks wouldn't be tempted to climb.

Your landlord can do what people have been doing for millenia, just shoo
the cat with a broom; shouldn't take more than a couple days to catch
the hint.

pat

> I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a couple of
> months that would otherwise have been put to sleep. He's name's Barney
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>
> John
CatNipped - 03 Aug 2005 18:02 GMT
> I wouldn't use SoftPaws or blunt the nails on an outdoors cat.  Cat
> flaps are useful... don't know if your local wildlife will take
> advantage of it... I've always imagined a cat flap in a window as being
> better because 'coons and skunks wouldn't be tempted to climb.

LOL!  Tell that to the raccoons who climb up to my second-story deck to eat
all the stray cats' food.  [Actually, I'm a little worried about Ray Coony -
he hasn't been over to dinner in a couple of days! :<).

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Your landlord can do what people have been doing for millenia, just shoo
> the cat with a broom; shouldn't take more than a couple days to catch
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> >
> > John
Ted Davis - 03 Aug 2005 21:13 GMT
>I wouldn't use SoftPaws or blunt the nails on an outdoors cat.  Cat
>flaps are useful... don't know if your local wildlife will take
>advantage of it... I've always imagined a cat flap in a window as being
>better because 'coons and skunks wouldn't be tempted to climb.

They are both very good tree climbers.  However, neither can jump.

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Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
>I wouldn't use SoftPaws or blunt the nails on an outdoors cat.  Cat
>flaps are useful... don't know if your local wildlife will take
>advantage of it... I've always imagined a cat flap in a window as being
>better because 'coons and skunks wouldn't be tempted to climb.

Thanks Pat - there's no problem with the local wildlife using it -
only foxes, squirrels and rabbits could possibly try it and they never
have when I leave the door open in summer, and they avoid the cat
anyway !

>Your landlord can do what people have been doing for millenia, just shoo
>the cat with a broom; shouldn't take more than a couple days to catch
>the hint.

Fair enough - we'll see what happens when she gets out of the house.

John
John - 03 Aug 2005 23:09 GMT
>I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a couple of
>months that would otherwise have been put to sleep. He's name's Barney
>- <URL:http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/JohnsStuff/Barney1.jpg>.

He looks to have a healthy coat, nice colour.  You must be feeding him
well :)

>It's a weird situation and I don't have any experience of looking
>after animals, so I'd appreciate any thoughts or comments on how to
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>understandably, doesn't want anything to do with the it anymore when
>she comes home today.

>Her daughter (who originally rescued it as a
>kitten) is buying a new house and will take it when she moves in, in a
>couple of months. She currently lives near a road and feels that it
>can't live there as it's not used to roads.

Wait until she moves house.  It is best not to unsettle the cat if she
is going to be moving in three months.  You ideally need to keep a cat
inside for up to one month when you first move it, otherwise it will
just find its way back to its previous home/territory.  Some people
have found just one week is long enough. I think it is best to be on
the safe side though.

>I've always got on well with the cat; he's always wandered in and out
>of my house and I feed him when his owner goes on holiday. As I didn't
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>undergrowth and pouncing. I think it's bored out of it's mind and does
>this to entertain itself.

Just let her know you're sorry the cat scratched her (even though it
is not really anyone's fault).  Tell her that it will just be there
for a few more months then it will be going to her daughters.  She
will understand, especially if it is her daughters adopted cat.  Even
better, how is this for an idea.. make a small card for her with a
picture of Barney on the front with a red rose and text "just a note
to say...".  Inside put "Sorry for scratching you love from Barney"
along with a paw print.

>For the past 2 weeks it has spent much of its time with me and I feed
>it at lunchtime - the daughter has been feeding it in the morning and
>evening. For the first time, for 4 nights out of the last 5 it has
>slept with me and has started bringing me the occasional gift of a
>dead mouse/vole.

Fantastic! If he is bringing you presents he likes you!  I wish our
cat Harvey would bring me more presents like that.  He has only caught
one bird (today) that we know of in the last 6 months since moving
house.

>The daughter has said that she normally finds dead
>mice in the house, but has noticed that he isn't bringing them in
>there anymore.
>
>Does this mean that he's accepted me as his new owner ?

No. He probably accepted you the minute you started feeding him :) If
we could all understand what cats think, I don't believe they would
look on the situation in terms of you being their owner.  Cats will
get along with most people who feed them, play with them and are nice
to them.  They are pretty self-sufficient though. They can look after
themselves to a large extent.

>The cat flap on his old house has now been blocked up and I have all
>his bowls, food brushes, flea treatment etc
>
>Is it possible/fair to attempt to keep him inside all day ?

No. I wouldn't recommend that. Let him continue to go outside.  He
will have to stay confined indoors for up to one month anyway when he
is moved back with the landlady's daughter.  He will almost certainly
start crying (meowing a lot) if you lock him indoors, and begging to
get outside. He would become lackluster and depressed.  Don't worry
about him staying out all night once in a while.

>He seems to spend most of the time with me (I work from home) and the
>disappear out in the evening until about midnight. It's a bit of a
>pain if I want to go to bed as there's no cat-flap. Do you think I
>should get one ?

That's your call. If you can manage without for another few months it
may not be worth it?  Perhaps you could buy a chain lock cheaply from
a DIY place and fit it to your door? This way the door may be able to
open just enough for your cat to get in, but prevent anyone else from.
You could also get a door stop to prevent it from blowing shut or
anything.  It might be more of a hassle to get a cat flap put in the
door, or to get a new door fitted with one already built in, if you
are just going to have him a short while longer.

>I would like to help the daughter as much as possible, as she's good
>with animals but has had a bad run with her other pets - one dog dying
>from cancer, another dog losing the use of it's leg because of
>pressure on the spine.

I think you're a top bloke by the sounds of it. Of course you are
called John so that explains a few things :)

John
Cheryl - 04 Aug 2005 00:52 GMT
[...]
> Even
> better, how is this for an idea.. make a small card for her with
> a picture of Barney on the front with a red rose and text "just
> a note to say...".  Inside put "Sorry for scratching you love
> from Barney" along with a paw print.
[...]

What a sweet idea. :)

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JQ - 04 Aug 2005 02:03 GMT
I use softpaws regularily. I took a good couple months for him to stop
fighting when we put them on him but he's used to it now and it's an
excellent way to stop scratching. It doen't hurt him and it's much
nicer than getting their claws removed at an older age.
If he's close to home I would let him outside just make sure you're
always close by and it's just for an hour or two so he doesn't wander
off or meet other animals who might cause fight or diseases.
Eventually he'll stop bugging the older lady as he'll sense she doesn't
want him around anymore.

Poor kitty, he's just in need of real loving. You're dong the right
thing. Go pick up one of those circular floor ball things; the cat
pushes this ball around and around in this tube on the floor for cats
to try to chase, catch it. My cat loves it! He's constantly chasing
this ball and in the middle he can sit on it and scratch the cardboard.
I hope you know what I mean. They sell them everywhere where cat toys
are.

Good luck!
Jacquie
Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
>Poor kitty, he's just in need of real loving. You're dong the right
>thing. Go pick up one of those circular floor ball things; the cat
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>I hope you know what I mean. They sell them everywhere where cat toys
>are.

Thanks Jacquie I'll go out and buy one. Is this the type you mean -
<URL:http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=11640&N=2002+113121>
?

John
Snittens - 04 Aug 2005 19:34 GMT
> Thanks Jacquie I'll go out and buy one. Is this the type you mean -
> <URL:http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=11640&N=2002+113121>
> ?
>
> John

Yes, cats love those toys!

-Kelly
JQ - 04 Aug 2005 23:32 GMT
> >Poor kitty, he's just in need of real loving. You're dong the right
> >thing. Go pick up one of those circular floor ball things; the cat
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>
> John

Hi yes that's exactly the toy! Just perfect, he'll never bore of it!
Good luck!
Cheryl - 05 Aug 2005 23:58 GMT
> Thanks Jacquie I'll go out and buy one. Is this the type you
> mean -
> <URL:http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=11640&N=2002+113121> ?
>
> John

My cats have always loved those.
I've never seen one with a lit ball though.

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Daytona - 06 Aug 2005 11:59 GMT
>> Thanks Jacquie I'll go out and buy one. Is this the type you
>> mean -
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>My cats have always loved those.
>I've never seen one with a lit ball though.

Thanks Cheryl, Jacquie and Kelly I've ordered a similar one from a UK
store as I'm in the UK -
<URL:http://www.petplanet.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=1592&dept_id=22>

John
Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
>[...]
>> Even
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>
>What a sweet idea. :)

<g> it is, but I'd like to see how she feels first as she could take
it badly.

John
Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
>>I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a couple of
>>months that would otherwise have been put to sleep. He's name's Barney
>>- <URL:http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/JohnsStuff/Barney1.jpg>.
>
>He looks to have a healthy coat, nice colour.  You must be feeding him
>well :)

:-) he's what I'd call a perfect ginger tomcat. He's got wonderful
marking and I groom him whenever he want's it because I think that it
reassures him. I'm fascinated by the psychology !

He's eating well - about 3 x 100g/3.5oz meals a day.

>Just let her know you're sorry the cat scratched her (even though it
>is not really anyone's fault).  Tell her that it will just be there
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>to say...".  Inside put "Sorry for scratching you love from Barney"
>along with a paw print.

She knows what's happening and has agreed to it - I'd really like to
talk to her to get her feelings first hand though as I think I need to
arrange for him to be let out more frequently.

>>For the past 2 weeks it has spent much of its time with me and I feed
>>it at lunchtime - the daughter has been feeding it in the morning and
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>one bird (today) that we know of in the last 6 months since moving
>house.

He's 6 (human) years old and until he was about 4 unfortunately he
used to catch anything within reach. It's good to see a cat doing what
comes naturally - it's just unfortunate for the victims.

>>The daughter has said that she normally finds dead
>>mice in the house, but has noticed that he isn't bringing them in
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>get along with most people who feed them, play with them and are nice
>to them.  

<g> yeah, that sounds reasonable !

>They are pretty self-sufficient though. They can look after
>themselves to a large extent.

I admire that in them, kind've nice feeling that they're independent
beings.

>>The cat flap on his old house has now been blocked up and I have all
>>his bowls, food brushes, flea treatment etc
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>get outside. He would become lackluster and depressed.  Don't worry
>about him staying out all night once in a while.

OK

>I think you're a top bloke by the sounds of it. Of course you are
>called John so that explains a few things :)

lol!

Thanks for the info. !

John
idontmind@gmail.com - 04 Aug 2005 18:09 GMT
> :-) he's what I'd call a perfect ginger tomcat.

All ginger Tom cats are perfect. :)

-L.
Daytona - 05 Aug 2005 15:35 GMT
>> :-) he's what I'd call a perfect ginger tomcat.
>
>All ginger Tom cats are perfect. :)
>
>-L.

I'm sure he'd agree with that :-)

He's got symmetrical markings which I've never really noticed before
if that's normal on these type of cats. I'll post a picture showing
them, but I don't like using the flash when he's inside as it'd
frighten the life out of him !

John
Cheryl - 04 Aug 2005 00:50 GMT
> I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a
> couple of months that would otherwise have been put to sleep.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> looking after animals, so I'd appreciate any thoughts or
> comments on how to handle it.

I just wanted to say what a beautiful orange boy he is! And, it
sounds like he has accepted you, so if it doesn't work out with the
daughter, you might have yourself a new owner. :)

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Daytona - 04 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
>> I've just taken on responsibility for a ginger tom cat for a
>> couple of months that would otherwise have been put to sleep.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>sounds like he has accepted you, so if it doesn't work out with the
>daughter, you might have yourself a new owner. :)

<g> thanks Cheryl I'll let you know if it doesn't work out - the idea
of having him put to sleep repels me, as it's just an unfortunate
situation.

John
FD701 - 06 Aug 2005 11:52 GMT
I just noticed that you seem to be in the UK. The old lady was lucky, as we
still have Tetanus in the ground. If she hasnt had her vaccinations (which
old people tend to forget), this could have been serious.

I only started to have a garden in the uk a couple of years back, and even
though my Tetanus Vacs are up to date, I got a really nasty infection from
the soil, after I dug something up with a scratch on my hand. Not sure what
it was, but it felt like the flu, and the area around the scratch was red
and swollen. It went away again, but I am not 80 years old. So her infection
was most likely from the soil, maybe indirectly transferred by the cat.

It's nice of you to look after the cat, and you had plenty of tips here,
regarding his care, allthough for an outdoor cat you shouldnt put those nail
tips on. He would only take them of anyway (sharpening his claws on the
nearest tree, until they are off). I am sure your landlady will stay away
from him for a couple of months, and whatever she caught, she is most likely
to be immune against now anyway. My infection never came back, and, having a
cat, gardening with a scratch on my hand, is something which happens often
enough.

Have fun, and I bet you are gonna get yourself a cat, afetr he has left ;-)
Daytona - 06 Aug 2005 12:40 GMT
>I just noticed that you seem to be in the UK. The old lady was lucky, as we
>still have Tetanus in the ground.

Yikes! I've never knew it was in the ground - In my ignorance I just
thought that it was something you caught from 'being around horses'.

>If she hasnt had her vaccinations (which
>old people tend to forget), this could have been serious.

Thanks - I'll mention it ! Like most people, after the injections when
I was at school I forgot about it until last year when I was well
overdue and asked for a booster. The doctor queried whether there were
horses around and because there are, he gave me the jab. I was
surprised as I thought everyone could have them, not just people
living in 'horsey' areas.

>I only started to have a garden in the uk a couple of years back, and even
>though my Tetanus Vacs are up to date, I got a really nasty infection from
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>tips on. He would only take them of anyway (sharpening his claws on the
>nearest tree, until they are off).

Fair point.

>I am sure your landlady will stay away
>from him for a couple of months, and whatever she caught, she is most likely
>to be immune against now anyway.

Yeah, as a 37 year old, my attitude is not to worry about exposing
yourself to non serious bugs to build up some immunity for when you're
~80. I think it's good to try and let nature protect/cure you in this
artificial age.

>My infection never came back, and, having a
>cat, gardening with a scratch on my hand, is something which happens often
>enough.

>Have fun, and I bet you are gonna get yourself a cat, afetr he has left ;-)

lol! After having to listen to all his pitiful meowing to go out - I
think I'll be a basket-case not even fit to look after myself, let
alone another cat ! :-)

John
 
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