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My cat bats at me when I pet her I think she's playing but then she HISSES

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Pookie - 28 Jul 2005 14:32 GMT
This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our
house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun.

My cat has a history. She first came to live with my parents about 7
years ago. She was a very tense, hyper-sensitive, unfriendly cat. She
had been abandoned by her owner for about a year. HE would come to feed
her, but that's it...NO HUMAN INTERACTION. I've heard she may have been
difficult before.

BUT MY HUSBAND AND I TAMED THE SHREW! She managed to develop a very
good relationship with us, so when we moved a few years ago, we decided
to bring her with us. 3 years ago she is a whole new cat. She is very
relaxed and calm. Strangers visit and she does not hiss, bite, and
freak out as she used to. Meeting her, most could never believe how bad
she was before.

Anyhow, like I said I'm not the player. Yet I started to play more
recently a bit, while I watched TV or something, because I felt like
she and my husband have a stronger bond.

Now whenever I pet her it seems she always wants to play. She bats at
my hand. It doesn't seem agressive, it seems more like she thinks my
hand is a feather. So, it seems like PLAY. But then sometimes, the more
we go at it, all of the sudden she HISSES. I usually get up and leave,
and she looks suprised by that.

I have always heard cats hiss when threatened or scared. I'm confused
because she seems to be having fun. Can hissing also come in play? Can
it be a form of a game or excitement?

Its only a cat, but I actually find myself a bit saddened by it. I
still have moments when I can stroke her without it turning into a
game. Especially when she is in the sun, she will STRETCH and let me
rub from her belly to her chin. I think she trusts me. I hope so!

Feedback, please!!
Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jul 2005 15:20 GMT
> This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our
> house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun.
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> Feedback, please!!

Her overall behavior suggests that she loves you.  Her occasional hissing
while you're playing is probably an expression of displeasure over a touch
or a movement.  I wouldn't worry about it.  If she exposes her belly to you
and allows you to rub her, she definitely trusts you and wants you to touch
her.  I think the hissing is all in play.

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Beth - 28 Jul 2005 15:30 GMT
>> This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our
>> house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun.
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> touch
> her.  I think the hissing is all in play.

I concur with Wayne. My kitty has been known to do the biting thing in play
and has from time to time hissed at me during that but it's usually when I'm
wrestling away from her grip.  She hisses when I get her to give her her
weekly tooth gel treatment.  But she calms down when she remembers she likes
the way it tastes and then tries to eat the q-tip type thing I use to put it
on.  I wouldn't take it personally.  When she hisses just stop what you're
doing and look at her for a moment.  See if she continues.  I find that a
very firm no a couple times will get her to stop the biting if she gets out
of hand.  It didn't work at first, but she's learned.  Trust me...cats do
odd things. Yesterday my cat did her usual "I know you're getting ready to
leave so I'm going to throw a fit" act.  However, she threw in something
besides just the running at me at play biting my leg. She was on the couch
and I told her goodbye and went to pet her head.  After a few seconds she
sat up on her hind legs and hit me on each side of my head with her paw.
She then licked my nose, meowed a little, and lay back down.  I patted her
head and then left.  I don't doubt she loves me...they just do odd things in
the name of love sometimes :)  Don't be offended.

Beth
Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jul 2005 22:34 GMT
>>> This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our
>>> house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun.
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>
> Beth

So cute, Beth.  They each have such wonderful little personalities!

Question...  What sort of tooth gel are you putting on your kittie's teeth?  
Something I should be aware of?  We have 5 cats, ranging from 8 months to
13 years.

Thanks!

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Beth - 30 Jul 2005 15:48 GMT
> So cute, Beth.  They each have such wonderful little personalities!
>
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> Thanks!

Yes, she is a handful but a cutie pie too!  It's just something I saw at the
vet after reading an article about how tooth and gum diseases can lead to
more serious things.  It's called OraVet.  It comes in a 2 month supply.
There are 8 little packets of this clear gel.  You put it on once a week
with a long q-tip applicator.  It's to help prevent gum diseases and that
type of thing.  It says you can brush their teeth too when you use it.  So I
got a little kitten toothbrush and the toothpaste I use is called Triple Pet
All Natural Toothpaste.  I did the brushing before I found out about the
gel.  Now I do both.  She actually likes the toothpaste and will lick it off
the brush for a few seconds before she lets me brush her teeth.  I only do
both once a week. It just makes me feel better knowing she has protection
from tartar and plaque buildup :) I did actually notice a difference too
after a 3 week trip.  I had a friend she knows come watch her for me but I
didn't have her attempt the weekly tooth regimen.  I did it when I got back
and I could see the formation of plaque and or/tartar on the tops of her
teeth near the gums.  I highly recommend it! I get it from my vet and it's
only about $20 for a two month supply.

Beth
Wayne Boatwright - 30 Jul 2005 15:56 GMT
>> So cute, Beth.  They each have such wonderful little personalities!
>>
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>
> Beth

Well, let's see, for 5 cats that would be $100 for a two month supply.  
I'll have to see if we can work that into our budget.  We have had our 13
year old cat's teeth cleaned at the vet a couple of times.  I don't like
that they have to aenesthetize them to do it, and it's quite expensive, but
at 13 she still has all her teeth.

I like the idea, and I think we'll just have to consider it.  I'll be
checking at our vets.

I wonder if you can get the same thing through an on-line pet supply that
also sells medications.  Probably worth a look.

Thanks, Beth!

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Beth - 30 Jul 2005 16:07 GMT
>>> So cute, Beth.  They each have such wonderful little personalities!
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> Thanks, Beth!

No problem! Glad to be of assistance! My vet usually gives a little price
break if you buy more than one of something.  So maybe they'll cut you a
deal.  But it would be worth looking into elsewhere too.  I wouldn't like
that they put them under to clean their teeth either.

Beth
Wayne Boatwright - 30 Jul 2005 16:15 GMT
>> So cute, Beth.  They each have such wonderful little personalities!
>>
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> lead to more serious things.  It's called OraVet.  It comes in a 2 month
> supply. There are 8 little packets of this clear gel.  

Here's an online source for OraVet...

http://www.petrx.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1337

I also found this product, C.E.T. Oral Hygiene Gel...

http://www.fuzzytummy.com/cet-oral-hygiene-gel.htm

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Abe - 30 Jul 2005 18:23 GMT
>Yes, she is a handful but a cutie pie too!  It's just something I saw at the
>vet after reading an article about how tooth and gum diseases can lead to
>more serious things.  It's called OraVet.  It comes in a 2 month supply.
>There are 8 little packets of this clear gel.  You put it on once a week
>with a long q-tip applicator.  It's to help prevent gum diseases and that
>type of thing.
According to this web site,
http://www.collegehillpetclinic.com/news.htm, before using the OraVet
Plaque Prevention Gel weekly, you're supposed to have the vet first
apply the OraVet Barrier Sealant, which is done under anesthesia
immediately after a cleaning.
M.C. Mullen - 28 Jul 2005 22:27 GMT
: I have always heard cats hiss when threatened or scared. I'm confused
: because she seems to be having fun. Can hissing also come in play? Can
: it be a form of a game or excitement?

My kittens are playing with each other at the moment. The female hisses a
lot but carries on with the rough play instantly.
Some cats hardly ever hiss, some do it all the time.
And ... you can hiss back - watch the reaction!

: Its only a cat, but I actually find myself a bit saddened by it. I
: still have moments when I can stroke her without it turning into a
: game. Especially when she is in the sun, she will STRETCH and let me
: rub from her belly to her chin. I think she trusts me. I hope so!
:
: Feedback, please!!

I never ever rub a cat's belly, always the back and the chin.
I've seen people bring their cats into the shelter because they bite,
but I believe it was because they just played the belly game.
I assume only one cat in a hundred really bites, or even less.

Carola
John - 29 Jul 2005 23:36 GMT
I believe Wayne is spot on about the movements in relation to hissing.
Usually when I pull away from a Love Bite it may startled him and
he'll make a funny hiss or miaow noise.

Cats are very temperamental.  They have different moods and can change
in the blink of an eye.  When they have just come in, and before you
are about to feed them they are probably at their most affectionate "I
wonder why?" :)

As far as our cat goes I try to understand him by trying to think the
same way a cat would think.  There are different moods and modes for
our cat.

3 Affectionate Mode
1 Food Mode
3 Sleep/Cat Nap Mode
1 Resting/Leave-Me-Alone Mode
2 Sphinx Mode
2 Cleaning Mode
1 Predator/Ambush Mode (both the same)
3 Play Mode

3 = okay to stroke. 2 = stroke with caution. 1 = don't stroke.

As far as the bites go, I believe a cat can bite you in one of two
ways. The usual way is a "Love Bite" which is just a sign of
affection. This doesn't really hurt. Then there is the "Real Bite"
that hurts  when he is cross and you need to back off. The Real Bite
has never happened to me, just play bites.

As far as the paws go, there are a few different actions he can do
here as well. There is the Play Paw, this usually occurs just before
feeding and he has his claws withdrawn, and is usually putting his
paws on you or usually the packet of food you have and are about to
feed him.

When our cat has just come in after being out all day, he is usually
miaowing a lot. When you stroke his head using your whole hand he
loves it and usually collapses in a heap on the floor and rolls
around. Your hand usually follows and to stroke him on his belly. He
will then play bite your hand with his teeth and paw at you with his
rear paws.  This doesn't hurt (usually) sometimes you may get a slight
accidental scratch though.

Then besides the play paw you have the attack paw. Sometimes this is
accidental or on purpose. If he is in Predator mode and chasing things
you are moving across the floor or behind curtains, sometime he may
scratch your hand.

The way he bites your hand for fun and also paws at you with his rear
paws, is also one way he can terminates real prey outdoors or pretend
prey that you are moving across the carpet of your living room.

Cats have a way of making you feel guilty even if you have done
nothing wrong. They will give you funny looks.  They also often have a
habit of following you wherever you go (when you don't want them to),
which can sometimes be annoying especially if it's the bathroom and
they just sit there staring at you :)

As far as Affectionate Mode goes, this works both ways. When our cat
comes in and is hungry or even just happy to see you, he will jump up
on my desk and rub his head against mine and make lots of purring
noises.  He responds if I say his name softly/quietly and if I repeat
it every so often.  Also you can try making purring noises back.  Our
cat really likes it though when I use my whole hand to sort of stroke
him in a brushing back/grabbing motion over his whole face eyes and
head.  

Also when he is just about to have a proper sleep/cat nap or is just
resting, he loves it if his head is stroked firmly just from his
forehead right about his eyes to just about where the ears are. He
loves this.  His eyes start to shut as if he has been hypnotised.  

Sometimes you can use two hands one for the head and the other one
down his neck and along his back.  I generally don't do the belly that
much. His head is the main area where he really loves to get stroked
and I usually just the part of the hand from my knuckles to the middle
of my fingers to stroke him.  If you try this when your cat is in an
affectionate mode I believe there is a good chance she will promote
you to her favourite person :)

Our cat can often switch from a playful affectionate mode to an ambush
or predator mode.  Once you can understand almost instantaneously what
mode she is in, it will be rare that you ever get scratched. I've not
been scratched once this year so far. The last time was December last
year and that was my own fault. He got me through the curtains and put
a scratch right across my hand.  He did think it was something to kill
though :)

John
Beth - 30 Jul 2005 15:59 GMT
>I believe Wayne is spot on about the movements in relation to hissing.
> Usually when I pull away from a Love Bite it may startled him and
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> John

I like your modes of behavior list.  Very clever.  Now, I do have to say
that when you know the modes, you're much less likely to be scratched.
However, being a first time kitty owner, I made some (probably) common
mistakes that I've since learned have most likely attributed to my cat's
behavior.  I'm not sure, but if you really have issues with it, you may have
done something similar.  I still stand by the "your kitty loves you" theory.
When my cat was a kitten it didn't hurt if she would play bite me and her
claws didn't hurt if she play scratched me a little.  So, I had no thought
that she would come to think of me as a chew toy still when she was an adult
cat.   So, she's in play mode and she starts that play bite and back paw
kangaroo thing and it can hurt...bad!  She also play bites a lot...like when
she knows I'm leaving or sees me getting ready to leave...but sometimes it's
harder that it should be.  I've had to retrain her to not do such things and
it's taken some time, but she hasn't left a mark in a while now.  But when
she did it before, she'd do things like go get her string she "captured"
from the laundry basket after it had come out of a hooded sweatshirt and put
it at my feet and nip at my toes if I hadn't noticed and wag her tail at me
so I could make it move so she could chase it.  The nips at my toes used to
hurt, but they don't now.  So I don't think she was in predator mode then.
She just wanted to play and didn't know better than to try to eat mommy's
toe. So, I'm not sure but perhaps for some reason she sees you as the giant
cat toy.  My cat has NEVER done that to anyone else or done anything that
resembles getting ready to bite someone.  So perhaps just some training
would help.  Just an idea from someone who has posted about the painful play
mode of her cat :)

Beth
John - 30 Jul 2005 23:10 GMT
Beth.

I believe Cats also have a conscience. Although I don't think it is
anywhere near that of an adult human, I believe they have a small
conscience and can often tell when they have done something wrong.

If your cat is play biting you and pawing you with his rear paws, and
it starts to hurt, (or doing anything else that hurts) if you pull
away, and then the cat gives you funny looks, I believe the cat can
often sense that it may have hurt you or done something wrong.
Gradually they will learn.

Our cat over a year ago went up a tree and took out a Blackbirds nest
with 4 baby Blackbirds in it.  When he saw the mess on the floor and
the half alive baby Blackbirds, he knew he had "sort of" done
something wrong.  Even though he is a predator and this is the sort of
things cats usually do, he still have a small conscience, and was
concerned about the baby Blackbirds.  He also knew my sister wasn't
too impressed with him when she got home.  She took the blackbirds to
the vet who had to put them down.  The fall of the nest from the tree
was just too great, and they were too badly damaged.

John

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