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My cat bats at me when I pet her I think she's playing but then she HISSES
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Pookie - 28 Jul 2005 14:32 GMT This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun.
My cat has a history. She first came to live with my parents about 7 years ago. She was a very tense, hyper-sensitive, unfriendly cat. She had been abandoned by her owner for about a year. HE would come to feed her, but that's it...NO HUMAN INTERACTION. I've heard she may have been difficult before.
BUT MY HUSBAND AND I TAMED THE SHREW! She managed to develop a very good relationship with us, so when we moved a few years ago, we decided to bring her with us. 3 years ago she is a whole new cat. She is very relaxed and calm. Strangers visit and she does not hiss, bite, and freak out as she used to. Meeting her, most could never believe how bad she was before.
Anyhow, like I said I'm not the player. Yet I started to play more recently a bit, while I watched TV or something, because I felt like she and my husband have a stronger bond.
Now whenever I pet her it seems she always wants to play. She bats at my hand. It doesn't seem agressive, it seems more like she thinks my hand is a feather. So, it seems like PLAY. But then sometimes, the more we go at it, all of the sudden she HISSES. I usually get up and leave, and she looks suprised by that.
I have always heard cats hiss when threatened or scared. I'm confused because she seems to be having fun. Can hissing also come in play? Can it be a form of a game or excitement?
Its only a cat, but I actually find myself a bit saddened by it. I still have moments when I can stroke her without it turning into a game. Especially when she is in the sun, she will STRETCH and let me rub from her belly to her chin. I think she trusts me. I hope so!
Feedback, please!!
Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jul 2005 15:20 GMT > This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our > house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Feedback, please!! Her overall behavior suggests that she loves you. Her occasional hissing while you're playing is probably an expression of displeasure over a touch or a movement. I wouldn't worry about it. If she exposes her belly to you and allows you to rub her, she definitely trusts you and wants you to touch her. I think the hissing is all in play.
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Beth - 28 Jul 2005 15:30 GMT >> This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our >> house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > touch > her. I think the hissing is all in play. I concur with Wayne. My kitty has been known to do the biting thing in play and has from time to time hissed at me during that but it's usually when I'm wrestling away from her grip. She hisses when I get her to give her her weekly tooth gel treatment. But she calms down when she remembers she likes the way it tastes and then tries to eat the q-tip type thing I use to put it on. I wouldn't take it personally. When she hisses just stop what you're doing and look at her for a moment. See if she continues. I find that a very firm no a couple times will get her to stop the biting if she gets out of hand. It didn't work at first, but she's learned. Trust me...cats do odd things. Yesterday my cat did her usual "I know you're getting ready to leave so I'm going to throw a fit" act. However, she threw in something besides just the running at me at play biting my leg. She was on the couch and I told her goodbye and went to pet her head. After a few seconds she sat up on her hind legs and hit me on each side of my head with her paw. She then licked my nose, meowed a little, and lay back down. I patted her head and then left. I don't doubt she loves me...they just do odd things in the name of love sometimes :) Don't be offended.
Beth
Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jul 2005 22:34 GMT >>> This troubles me. I am not typically the one who plays with her in our >>> house. My husband is. He actually gets bites but its all in good fun. [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Beth So cute, Beth. They each have such wonderful little personalities!
Question... What sort of tooth gel are you putting on your kittie's teeth? Something I should be aware of? We have 5 cats, ranging from 8 months to 13 years.
Thanks!
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Beth - 30 Jul 2005 15:48 GMT > So cute, Beth. They each have such wonderful little personalities! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks! Yes, she is a handful but a cutie pie too! It's just something I saw at the vet after reading an article about how tooth and gum diseases can lead to more serious things. It's called OraVet. It comes in a 2 month supply. There are 8 little packets of this clear gel. You put it on once a week with a long q-tip applicator. It's to help prevent gum diseases and that type of thing. It says you can brush their teeth too when you use it. So I got a little kitten toothbrush and the toothpaste I use is called Triple Pet All Natural Toothpaste. I did the brushing before I found out about the gel. Now I do both. She actually likes the toothpaste and will lick it off the brush for a few seconds before she lets me brush her teeth. I only do both once a week. It just makes me feel better knowing she has protection from tartar and plaque buildup :) I did actually notice a difference too after a 3 week trip. I had a friend she knows come watch her for me but I didn't have her attempt the weekly tooth regimen. I did it when I got back and I could see the formation of plaque and or/tartar on the tops of her teeth near the gums. I highly recommend it! I get it from my vet and it's only about $20 for a two month supply.
Beth
Wayne Boatwright - 30 Jul 2005 15:56 GMT >> So cute, Beth. They each have such wonderful little personalities! >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Beth Well, let's see, for 5 cats that would be $100 for a two month supply. I'll have to see if we can work that into our budget. We have had our 13 year old cat's teeth cleaned at the vet a couple of times. I don't like that they have to aenesthetize them to do it, and it's quite expensive, but at 13 she still has all her teeth.
I like the idea, and I think we'll just have to consider it. I'll be checking at our vets.
I wonder if you can get the same thing through an on-line pet supply that also sells medications. Probably worth a look.
Thanks, Beth!
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Beth - 30 Jul 2005 16:07 GMT >>> So cute, Beth. They each have such wonderful little personalities! >>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Thanks, Beth! No problem! Glad to be of assistance! My vet usually gives a little price break if you buy more than one of something. So maybe they'll cut you a deal. But it would be worth looking into elsewhere too. I wouldn't like that they put them under to clean their teeth either.
Beth
Wayne Boatwright - 30 Jul 2005 16:15 GMT >> So cute, Beth. They each have such wonderful little personalities! >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > lead to more serious things. It's called OraVet. It comes in a 2 month > supply. There are 8 little packets of this clear gel. Here's an online source for OraVet...
http://www.petrx.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1337
I also found this product, C.E.T. Oral Hygiene Gel...
http://www.fuzzytummy.com/cet-oral-hygiene-gel.htm
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Abe - 30 Jul 2005 18:23 GMT >Yes, she is a handful but a cutie pie too! It's just something I saw at the >vet after reading an article about how tooth and gum diseases can lead to >more serious things. It's called OraVet. It comes in a 2 month supply. >There are 8 little packets of this clear gel. You put it on once a week >with a long q-tip applicator. It's to help prevent gum diseases and that >type of thing. According to this web site, http://www.collegehillpetclinic.com/news.htm, before using the OraVet Plaque Prevention Gel weekly, you're supposed to have the vet first apply the OraVet Barrier Sealant, which is done under anesthesia immediately after a cleaning.
M.C. Mullen - 28 Jul 2005 22:27 GMT : I have always heard cats hiss when threatened or scared. I'm confused : because she seems to be having fun. Can hissing also come in play? Can : it be a form of a game or excitement? My kittens are playing with each other at the moment. The female hisses a lot but carries on with the rough play instantly. Some cats hardly ever hiss, some do it all the time. And ... you can hiss back - watch the reaction!
: Its only a cat, but I actually find myself a bit saddened by it. I : still have moments when I can stroke her without it turning into a : game. Especially when she is in the sun, she will STRETCH and let me : rub from her belly to her chin. I think she trusts me. I hope so! : : Feedback, please!! I never ever rub a cat's belly, always the back and the chin. I've seen people bring their cats into the shelter because they bite, but I believe it was because they just played the belly game. I assume only one cat in a hundred really bites, or even less.
Carola
John - 29 Jul 2005 23:36 GMT I believe Wayne is spot on about the movements in relation to hissing. Usually when I pull away from a Love Bite it may startled him and he'll make a funny hiss or miaow noise.
Cats are very temperamental. They have different moods and can change in the blink of an eye. When they have just come in, and before you are about to feed them they are probably at their most affectionate "I wonder why?" :)
As far as our cat goes I try to understand him by trying to think the same way a cat would think. There are different moods and modes for our cat.
3 Affectionate Mode 1 Food Mode 3 Sleep/Cat Nap Mode 1 Resting/Leave-Me-Alone Mode 2 Sphinx Mode 2 Cleaning Mode 1 Predator/Ambush Mode (both the same) 3 Play Mode
3 = okay to stroke. 2 = stroke with caution. 1 = don't stroke.
As far as the bites go, I believe a cat can bite you in one of two ways. The usual way is a "Love Bite" which is just a sign of affection. This doesn't really hurt. Then there is the "Real Bite" that hurts when he is cross and you need to back off. The Real Bite has never happened to me, just play bites.
As far as the paws go, there are a few different actions he can do here as well. There is the Play Paw, this usually occurs just before feeding and he has his claws withdrawn, and is usually putting his paws on you or usually the packet of food you have and are about to feed him.
When our cat has just come in after being out all day, he is usually miaowing a lot. When you stroke his head using your whole hand he loves it and usually collapses in a heap on the floor and rolls around. Your hand usually follows and to stroke him on his belly. He will then play bite your hand with his teeth and paw at you with his rear paws. This doesn't hurt (usually) sometimes you may get a slight accidental scratch though.
Then besides the play paw you have the attack paw. Sometimes this is accidental or on purpose. If he is in Predator mode and chasing things you are moving across the floor or behind curtains, sometime he may scratch your hand.
The way he bites your hand for fun and also paws at you with his rear paws, is also one way he can terminates real prey outdoors or pretend prey that you are moving across the carpet of your living room.
Cats have a way of making you feel guilty even if you have done nothing wrong. They will give you funny looks. They also often have a habit of following you wherever you go (when you don't want them to), which can sometimes be annoying especially if it's the bathroom and they just sit there staring at you :)
As far as Affectionate Mode goes, this works both ways. When our cat comes in and is hungry or even just happy to see you, he will jump up on my desk and rub his head against mine and make lots of purring noises. He responds if I say his name softly/quietly and if I repeat it every so often. Also you can try making purring noises back. Our cat really likes it though when I use my whole hand to sort of stroke him in a brushing back/grabbing motion over his whole face eyes and head.
Also when he is just about to have a proper sleep/cat nap or is just resting, he loves it if his head is stroked firmly just from his forehead right about his eyes to just about where the ears are. He loves this. His eyes start to shut as if he has been hypnotised.
Sometimes you can use two hands one for the head and the other one down his neck and along his back. I generally don't do the belly that much. His head is the main area where he really loves to get stroked and I usually just the part of the hand from my knuckles to the middle of my fingers to stroke him. If you try this when your cat is in an affectionate mode I believe there is a good chance she will promote you to her favourite person :)
Our cat can often switch from a playful affectionate mode to an ambush or predator mode. Once you can understand almost instantaneously what mode she is in, it will be rare that you ever get scratched. I've not been scratched once this year so far. The last time was December last year and that was my own fault. He got me through the curtains and put a scratch right across my hand. He did think it was something to kill though :)
John
Beth - 30 Jul 2005 15:59 GMT >I believe Wayne is spot on about the movements in relation to hissing. > Usually when I pull away from a Love Bite it may startled him and [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > John I like your modes of behavior list. Very clever. Now, I do have to say that when you know the modes, you're much less likely to be scratched. However, being a first time kitty owner, I made some (probably) common mistakes that I've since learned have most likely attributed to my cat's behavior. I'm not sure, but if you really have issues with it, you may have done something similar. I still stand by the "your kitty loves you" theory. When my cat was a kitten it didn't hurt if she would play bite me and her claws didn't hurt if she play scratched me a little. So, I had no thought that she would come to think of me as a chew toy still when she was an adult cat. So, she's in play mode and she starts that play bite and back paw kangaroo thing and it can hurt...bad! She also play bites a lot...like when she knows I'm leaving or sees me getting ready to leave...but sometimes it's harder that it should be. I've had to retrain her to not do such things and it's taken some time, but she hasn't left a mark in a while now. But when she did it before, she'd do things like go get her string she "captured" from the laundry basket after it had come out of a hooded sweatshirt and put it at my feet and nip at my toes if I hadn't noticed and wag her tail at me so I could make it move so she could chase it. The nips at my toes used to hurt, but they don't now. So I don't think she was in predator mode then. She just wanted to play and didn't know better than to try to eat mommy's toe. So, I'm not sure but perhaps for some reason she sees you as the giant cat toy. My cat has NEVER done that to anyone else or done anything that resembles getting ready to bite someone. So perhaps just some training would help. Just an idea from someone who has posted about the painful play mode of her cat :)
Beth
John - 30 Jul 2005 23:10 GMT Beth.
I believe Cats also have a conscience. Although I don't think it is anywhere near that of an adult human, I believe they have a small conscience and can often tell when they have done something wrong.
If your cat is play biting you and pawing you with his rear paws, and it starts to hurt, (or doing anything else that hurts) if you pull away, and then the cat gives you funny looks, I believe the cat can often sense that it may have hurt you or done something wrong. Gradually they will learn.
Our cat over a year ago went up a tree and took out a Blackbirds nest with 4 baby Blackbirds in it. When he saw the mess on the floor and the half alive baby Blackbirds, he knew he had "sort of" done something wrong. Even though he is a predator and this is the sort of things cats usually do, he still have a small conscience, and was concerned about the baby Blackbirds. He also knew my sister wasn't too impressed with him when she got home. She took the blackbirds to the vet who had to put them down. The fall of the nest from the tree was just too great, and they were too badly damaged.
John
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