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WL - 01 Feb 2004 23:50 GMT
Hi,

My Mum's concerned about her/our cat.  Ever since we got back from
Australia, he's been looking and feeling thinner and isn't as chirpy as
usual.  Usually he's always happy, active, and never leaves alone especially
my Mum.  But he seems withdrawn, and has definately lost weight - we don't
know what to do.  His fur is still clean-looking, nose is fine, eyes are
bright (but "black" as if he's angry).

His Brother is fine - no loss in weight, and is still as mad as usual.  He's
not concerned about his brother (I know this sounds stupid, but often,
siblings "know" if their brother or sister is unwell.), and they still play
and fight every day.  He seems to be eating ok, but not as much as before.
He's still catching mice, and even brought me in one yesterday.  But
overall, we can just tell something's not right.

What should we do?  We'll probably take him to the vet if he hasn't fattened
up in the next couple of weeks.  But can anyone think what the matter might
be?  Anything we should be doing?

Thanks for any info

Will
NickKnight - 02 Feb 2004 00:06 GMT
>My Mum's concerned about her/our cat.  Ever since we got back from
>Australia, he's been looking and feeling thinner and isn't as chirpy as
>usual.
I would err on the safe side and pay a visit to the vet.  You don't
say how old the cat is or how much weight it has lost.  

Obviously if the cat is 5 pounds now and was 15 pounds  a few months
ago I'd get to the vet today.   (Tomorrow if they are closed on
Sundays in your area.)

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WL - 02 Feb 2004 00:12 GMT
> >My Mum's concerned about her/our cat.  Ever since we got back from
> >Australia, he's been looking and feeling thinner and isn't as chirpy as
> >usual.

> I would err on the safe side and pay a visit to the vet.  You don't
> say how old the cat is or how much weight it has lost.
>
> Obviously if the cat is 5 pounds now and was 15 pounds  a few months
> ago I'd get to the vet today.   (Tomorrow if they are closed on
> Sundays in your area.)

Sorry, should have said - they're both 6 (or 7).  He's not lost 10 pounds or
anything - Basil, the healthy/fit cat is 12 pounds so as a guess I'd say
Henry (the one we're worried about) has lost 2 pounds at most.

Will
MaryL - 02 Feb 2004 07:31 GMT
> > >My Mum's concerned about her/our cat.  Ever since we got back from
> > >Australia, he's been looking and feeling thinner and isn't as chirpy as
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>
> Will

Two pounds is still a *very* substantial weight loss for a cat, and I would
be very concerned.  Think of that as a percentage of his total body weight,
and then think what a similar loss would be for yourself.  I would not
hesitate.  I would take him to a vet immediately for a checkup.

I don't know how long you were away.  If the vet doesn't find anything
wrong, you might try some plug-in Feliway diffusers.  Feliway is used for
behavior modification and can be very useful in stressful situations.

MaryL
M.C. Mullen - 02 Feb 2004 19:36 GMT
| I don't know how long you were away.  If the vet doesn't find anything
| wrong, you might try some plug-in Feliway diffusers.  Feliway is used for
| behavior modification and can be very useful in stressful situations.
|
| MaryL

Dog has got bladder stones, will be operated on Thursday - vet thinks it is
due to inferior food and too little water.
I think she's always had a weakness that way, my food was not outstanding
but OK
another vet thinks it's because I introduced cats to the household last
summer ...
I'm thoroughly confused - *what's* psychology with pets? How sensitive are
they really?

Carola
XMar - 03 Feb 2004 19:38 GMT
I know cats are very sensitive.
I have one cat that is prone to bacterial congunctivitis (sp?) (she
carries it)

She gets mildly stressed and it gets triggered and needs to be treated...

So when I know that a stressful event as occured..I spend extra time
with extra loving and petting and keeping her as quiet as possible just
in hopes to fend off an eye problem.

My hair stylist just lost one of her dogs. The other one was sooo upset
that she was vomiting uncontrolably for 24 hours (the vomiting literally
started within hours of the other dog being put down)

They had to treat the other dog for de-hydration and even though they
had decisided NOT to get another dog after they put Ally down, they
decided for the other dog's sake to get another one within days.

The second dog didnt take to the puppy for about a week (still deeply
grieving and depressed after Ally's death) but then perked up and now is
very happy again.

Just re-affirmed to me that getting my kitten for the my two adult cats
was a good thing. When and if something happens to one of them, they
will still have another buddy to with.

> | I don't know how long you were away.  If the vet doesn't find anything
> | wrong, you might try some plug-in Feliway diffusers.  Feliway is used for
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>
> Carola
WL - 04 Feb 2004 18:16 GMT
> I know cats are very sensitive.
> I have one cat that is prone to bacterial congunctivitis (sp?) (she
> carries it)
>
> She gets mildly stressed and it gets triggered and needs to be treated...

I think cats are underestimated in terms of intelligence and sensitivity.
Our 2, brothers, fight every day - just play fights, but it does still
occassionally get out of hand (paw).  But, when one of them goes missing -
only happened twice, and only for 24 hours each time - the other cat marches
around the house trying to find him!  Hilarious.  They'll completely ignore
us until his brother comes in.  Dread to think what'll happen when one of
them dies.

Will
Gail - 02 Feb 2004 00:08 GMT
He needs to go to the vet ASAP. Don't delay. It could be many things: over
active thyroid, diabetes, cancer, chronic renal failure, etc.
Gail
> Hi,
>
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>
> Will
Cathy Friedmann - 02 Feb 2004 00:44 GMT
Could be any number of things causing weight loss.  But definitely a vet
visit in order to find out what's going on.   The vet will probably run some
bloodwork.  (If s/he doesn't suggest bw, then I would.)

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

> Hi,
>
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>
> Will
Laura R. - 02 Feb 2004 01:22 GMT
circa Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:50:00 -0000, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
WL (will@lukrative.com) said,

> What should we do?  We'll probably take him to the vet if he hasn't fattened
> up in the next couple of weeks.  But can anyone think what the matter might
> be?  Anything we should be doing?

I would take him to the vet sooner. Weight loss in a cat that isn't
rhe result of concerted effort on the part of the human is always
cause for concern, and the sooner you get the cat looked at, the
better. I say this from experience.

Laura
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Karen Chuplis - 02 Feb 2004 03:07 GMT
> circa Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:50:00 -0000, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> WL (will@lukrative.com) said,
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>
> Laura

Sometimes it's the *only* symptom you get. I agree. See a vet SOON.
Chas - 02 Feb 2004 01:44 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Will

How long were you away?

Just like human children (some adults too !) they have the limited capacity
to believe that their sulking affects you more than them.

Show him a little more affection than you usually would and feed him kitten
food for awhile before you suffer him the trauma of a visit to the vet.

I reckon he may be punishing you for being away, and it's working isn't it !

Babba.

Life lesson No 350.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are cunning, and will piss
on your carpet".
Mary - 02 Feb 2004 01:49 GMT
> What should we do?  We'll probably take him to the vet if he hasn't fattened
> up in the next couple of weeks.

Two weeks is too long to wait. If he is off his feed, terrible things
can begin to happen in a matter of DAYS. My vet told me that just
about anything can get a cat to stop eating, even just emotional upset
or a sore tooth. Then they get dehydrated and get into trouble fast.
Take your sweet boy to the vet tomorrow. You won't regret it.
Suzie-Q - 02 Feb 2004 05:18 GMT
Another vote for "get him to the vet right away."

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Gee - 02 Feb 2004 06:32 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Will

When my Tiara lost weight I took her to the vet. She had a small infection
in her mouth. Luckily with course of antibiotics it was quickly fixed. Had I
waited 2 weeks, infection could;ve gotten much worse.

However when my neighbours Poppy started loosing weight, she was diagnosed
with intestinal cancer. She was unfortunately put to sleep two weeks after
being first diagnosed.

DO NOT wait 2 weeks. You don;t want it to be too late. Please.

Gee
NickKnight - 02 Feb 2004 15:25 GMT
>> Hi,
>>
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>
>Gee

I would point for us humans two pounds is nothing.  For a cat
who weighs maybe 12 pounds two pounds is a big deal..   Get thyself
to a vet and have the cat checked out.     At 12 pounds that is a
major weight loss.    Better to err on the safe side and have the vet
tell you there is nothing to worry about than to have the vet tell you
there is a problem.  

I would take the cat to the vet this morrning.   Turn off the
computer, go call the vet now.  
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WL - 02 Feb 2004 09:20 GMT
> What should we do?  We'll probably take him to the vet if he hasn't fattened
> up in the next couple of weeks.  But can anyone think what the matter might
> be?  Anything we should be doing?

Thanks for everyone's replies - I can't reply to each one, but I do
appreciate the advice.  Shall get him to the Vet ASAP

Will
XMar - 02 Feb 2004 18:27 GMT
Will
Please let us know what happens ok?

Hope the vet has some answers quick

>>What should we do?  We'll probably take him to the vet if he hasn't
>
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>
> Will
WL - 04 Feb 2004 18:05 GMT
> Will
> Please let us know what happens ok?
>
> Hope the vet has some answers quick

Hi all.  Took both the cats to the Vet who examined them fully - Henry, the
one we're worried about, didn't have any symptoms other than weight loss
which is good news.  She suspects he needed worming, and so popped a pill
down his throat (and Basil too).  But....I can't see how this could explain
his moodiness and general lack of "get up and go."  We're to wait a couple
of weeks, see if he puts on weight, and take him back for a checkup.

Will
Mary - 04 Feb 2004 23:56 GMT
"WL" <will@lukrative.com> wrote > Hi all.  Took both the cats to the
Vet who examined them fully - Henry, the
> one we're worried about, didn't have any symptoms other than weight loss
> which is good news.  She suspects he needed worming, and so popped a pill
> down his throat (and Basil too).  But....I can't see how this could explain
> his moodiness and general lack of "get up and go."

Eeeeyoooo, Will. think about how you would feel if intestinal
parasites were eating the food you needed for your energy. It makes
perfect sense that worms would make him lethargic.
M.C. Mullen - 05 Feb 2004 12:14 GMT
| "WL" <will@lukrative.com> wrote > Hi all.  Took both the cats to the
| Vet who examined them fully - Henry, the
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| parasites were eating the food you needed for your energy. It makes
| perfect sense that worms would make him lethargic.

If it *is* worms, then you'll need to treat the cats three or four times
until you've got rid of them.
Maybe the pill is upsetting his tummy?

Carola
Sherry - 09 Feb 2004 01:43 GMT
>If it *is* worms, then you'll need to treat the cats three or four times
>until you've got rid of them.
>Maybe the pill is upsetting his tummy?
>
>Carola

Carola, the wormers (Panacur, Droncet)  that vets use now don't require
repeated doses, unless the pet continues to be exposed to fleas (tapeworms) or
mice (roundworms) and just gets reinfected. They're pretty effective now, much
more so than the ones we had years ago.

Sherry
M.C. Mullen - 09 Feb 2004 08:31 GMT
| >If it *is* worms, then you'll need to treat the cats three or four times
| >until you've got rid of them.
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|
| Sherry

Hmm, the cat we got from the shelter last October was in bad shape with the
ear mites and the stool, belly all swollen up too. It needed wormed four
times. The vet gave Stronghold which he says is very good (and expensive).
My last cat only needed wormed twice as a kitten (two treatments for
different types of worms), then fresh ups every three months because he ate
mice. Several vets say that with kittens worms can be hard to get rid of.
My experience is that dog's worms are easier to deal with.

Well, I realize that here in Europe we have different medicines than you in
the US. I just depend on what the vets say. But I have changed the vet now -
away from the 'shelter vet' back to my usual one. We are still treating the
ear mites, this time with benzol (poisonous, mineral oil?) and after one
week the cat is still scratching...
So I'll see what she says next week.
I'll ask about revolution too.

Thanks for all your inputs.

Carola
Sherry - 09 Feb 2004 22:00 GMT
>Well, I realize that here in Europe we have different medicines than you in
>the US. I just depend on what the vets say. But I have changed the vet now -
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>
>Carola

Ear mites are the worst. We had an awful time getting rid of the things. Good
luck!

Sherry
Wendy - 10 Feb 2004 16:04 GMT
>Well, I realize that here in Europe we have different medicines than you in
>the US. I just depend on what the vets say. But I have changed the vet now -
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>
>Carola

Ear mites are the worst. We had an awful time getting rid of the things.
Good
luck!

Sherry

Our kittens had very mild ear mites - it took three doses of revolution to
get rid of them.

Wendy
Dee - 11 Feb 2004 21:24 GMT
> Vet who examined them fully - Henry, the
> > one we're worried about, didn't have any symptoms other than weight
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> explain
> > his moodiness and general lack of "get up and go."

Hi.  I'm sorry that I haven't followed this thread so I'm sure that
complete blood work has probably already been suggested a number of times.
I just wanted to suggest it again in case it hasn't!  Weight loss can be
an indicator of serious illness such as diabetes and hyperthyroidism.

Dee
Meghan Noecker - 13 Feb 2004 08:16 GMT
>Hi.  I'm sorry that I haven't followed this thread so I'm sure that
>complete blood work has probably already been suggested a number of times.
>I just wanted to suggest it again in case it hasn't!  Weight loss can be
>an indicator of serious illness such as diabetes and hyperthyroidism.

It could also be a sign of depression.

My older cat has always been a lean cat. I think his stomach is so big
that there is no room for fat storage. He can eat like a pig and not
gain any weight.

Anyway, awhile back, I noticed he was thinner than normal. I knew he
was eating because I would see him eat every morning when I went to
the bathroom (we have 5 different hard foods available on the
counter), and he would eat his canned food at night. But he was losing
weight. So, I asked my family how he was during the day. Oh, he
doesn't do much. Just lays around. Hmm. What if he is depressed?

So, I started a new routine. Every day, before I leave for work, I
make a point of loving him up and saying good bye. When I get home, I
make a point of finding him right away and loving him up again. I also
spend a lot fo time with him while I am home, but I was doing that
anyway.

He gained weight within the week. I think he was feeling down and
lonely, and I suspect that he only eats while i am home. So, during
teh day, he wasn't eating. When I went on a 3 week trip, I bought a
bunch of bags of treats. I left them all around the house, and begged
my sister to give them to him anytime she sees him. Since they were
everywhere, I wasn't asking to go out of her way. I also asked her to
feed him canned food twice a day so that we woudl know he was eating.
I bought enough cans and stacked them in the bathroom so that she
could do it easily when getting ready for work. I came home to a plump
kitty :)

His weight stills go up and down a bit. He is 17 1/2, and he doesn't
always feel good. I buy roasted chickens and give him a lot of extra
chicken to help keep him plump. And I feed him his extra treats. I
really don't know how much he eats on his own, so I keep supplementing
him. Sometimes, he gets a little plump, which is not overweight, just
a bit thicker than normal for him. You can still feel his ribs and
every bump in his spine (always have, that is normal for him). When I
see his waist get skinnier, I give him more food. As long as his
appetite is good, and he doesn't go below 8 pounds, then I am content.
I'd refer see 9lbs (his normal weight in his youth was 9 1/2 lbs), but
8 1/2 is his normal now. If he goes below 8lbs, he earns a trip to the
vet. The last checkup was great. His bloodwork was awesome, and the
vet was impressed.
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M.C. Mullen - 13 Feb 2004 12:11 GMT
| (we have 5 different hard foods available on the
| counter),

WOW! A five star hotel! Can you leave the address? Some strays would be
interested!

| You can still feel his ribs and
| every bump in his spine (always have, that is normal for him).

I feel that thin pets are healthier than fat ones, as long as they are not
skinny though.
What age is your cat?

Carola
Meghan Noecker - 14 Feb 2004 06:45 GMT
>| (we have 5 different hard foods available on the
>| counter),
>
>WOW! A five star hotel! Can you leave the address? Some strays would be
>interested!

Oh yes. They have plenty to choose from. Down in my bedroom, I have
their two favorites in kibble available, yyet every morning, they race
up to the bathroom, to eat the same food that is downstairs!

The share one can of canned food at night as a treat (3 cats and 1
dog). Everybody goes to bed happy, no arguments, and no whining in the
morning :)

>| You can still feel his ribs and
>| every bump in his spine (always have, that is normal for him).
>
>I feel that thin pets are healthier than fat ones, as long as they are not
>skinny though.
>What age is your cat?

Normally, I agree. But in advanced age, I prefer to see them thick,
maybe a tad on the plump side. My first acat lived to be 19, but it
was a struggle to keep weight on her from age 15 on. She would refuse
to eat, and I had to keep experimenting to find something she would
eat. Finally settled on one brand and flavor of canned food, 4 times a
day. She would not eat chilled or heated canned food, so I had to let
the other cats finish all those cans. Thus starting teh evening can
routine. (I couldn't just stop the treats when Fiona died)

About 4 years ago, my mom found a stray who had been hit by a car. He
was recovering well from his injuries, but he was extremely
underweight. Great appetite, but he got sick and starting barfing
everything up and having diarhea. Two weeks of improvement, and only 3
days of being sick (with two vet visits during those 3 days), and he
was dead.

I've only had 2 cats die on me, and both were noticeably underweight.
So, I am leary of allowing that to happen. Maynard is 17 1/2 years
old. He has always been a lean cat. Never overweight, always a bit
knobby (knobby spine, knobby feet, and knobby tail). His only fat is a
bubble about the size of a grape. It's behind his shoulder, and has
been there about 6  or 7 years now. The vet tested it and said it was
just unusually placed fat deposit.

In his prime, he was 9 1/2 pounds, occasionally reaching 10 lbs. He
hasn't been above 8 1/2 in at least 3 years. He's been down to 8
several times and once down to 7 1/2 after an abcess under his tail.
It hurt to jump, so he wasn't jumping on the counter to eat. He gained
it back once I found it and was able to rearrange his food til he was
jumping again.

I don't want him to be fat, but I do want him to be thicker like he
used to be. I'd like to know he has something to keep him going if he
gets sick for a couple days. A reserve, so to speak.

On a daily basis, he has full access to kibble (I know he eats some
for breakfast while I am in the bathroom). He also gets some kitty
treats, his favorite kind, and his canned food at night. I also give
him some extra food. Sometimes roasted chicken. Sometimes his favorite
veggies.

If he feels and looks good, then I just do my normal routine with him.
If I see him barf (he does on occasion) or he feels lighter or looks
skinnier in the waist; then I increase his treats. More chicken
(darker fattier pieces), maybe some margarine. And more kitty treats.

I am content as long as he feels and looks good, but I do get worried
when he gets down to 8 lbs. He seems to have a bottemless appetite. He
just burns it off too easily. He's always been that way, so I am not
surprised. I just keep working at making sure he doesn't lose too
much.

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Equine and Pet Photography
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M.C. Mullen - 14 Feb 2004 07:32 GMT
| >| You can still feel his ribs and
| >| every bump in his spine (always have, that is normal for him).
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| the other cats finish all those cans. Thus starting teh evening can
| routine. (I couldn't just stop the treats when Fiona died)

I see your point.
Have you ever tried malt treats for cats? They love them and they have
calories too.

Carola
Meghan Noecker - 16 Feb 2004 08:56 GMT
>I see your point.
>Have you ever tried malt treats for cats? They love them and they have
>calories too.

Yes and no. My first cat hated it. I had some liquid malt flavored
vitamin stuff that she wanted nothing to do with. My sister's cat
chewed off the cap to get at it. I haven't found that stuff again, so
I tried some malt flavored stuff in a tube. Maynard didn't like it. So
the only vitamins I use are some tuna flavored tablets and some salmon
flavored soft treats. Those go over well with him.

Meghan & the Zoo Crew  
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com
Mary - 02 Feb 2004 18:56 GMT
> > What should we do?  We'll probably take him to the vet if he hasn't
> fattened
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>
> Will

Wonderful Will! Let us know how it goes, we will be thinking of you.
JP Hobbs - 06 Feb 2004 06:19 GMT
Have you thought of giving him a worming tablet
its just a couple of things sound a bit like that,or
ask the vet to worm him if you dont want to do it yourself
hope its nothing serious. Jean P.

> Hi,
>
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>
> Will
JoJo - 07 Feb 2004 02:25 GMT
Take him to the vets - best to be safe than sorry.  If he's lost 2 pounds in
a matter of weeks (or even a month) that would be like a human losing 10
pounds.  Best of luck
Jo
> Hi,
>
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>
> Will
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 07 Feb 2004 05:01 GMT
>Take him to the vets - best to be safe than sorry.  If he's lost 2 pounds in
>a matter of weeks (or even a month) that would be like a human losing 10
>pounds.  Best of luck
>Jo

Could even be more like a human losing 30 to 40 lbs depending on the
cats natural weight.

-mhd
 
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