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DHardin - 30 Jan 2004 06:42 GMT
OK,
Here's the situation. Our neighbors owned 4 cats, 2 of which were outdoor,
2 indoor.  One of the outdoor cats (KC for Kitty Cat) came to our house to
check us out the week we moved in. I thought he was a stray and started
feeding him. That was two years ago. Since then, he has become our cat
instead of theirs. I feed him twice a day, every day. I have toys for him.
He is waiting on my front doorstep every day when I get home. He knows my
truck and comes running to the door from anywhere in our cul-de-sac when I
pull into the driveway. He even sleeps on our bed every night. When we
decided to "adopt" him, the poor animal suffered terribly from fleas and
worms (not surprising since he's an indoor/outdoor cat and they weren't
taking too good care of him). I told his "owners" about this and they just
shrugged it off and said "if he didn't get to feeling better soon, they'd
take him to the vet." His feeding bowl was just a big soup bowl
outside their front door filled with dry food that had been there so
long it was soggy and filled with flies and bugs. After another week of
seeing him suffering and getting skinny, I took him to the vet and got him
wormed and treated for fleas. I asked the vet if he looked like he was
being treated already, the vet responded "Definitely not." Since then, I
give him regular de-wormer pills, daily vitamins, and regularly get him
flea collars (I'm kinda wary of the "one-drop" treatments. I've heard
horror stories of cats with seizures.) Right now, he's been at my house for
two or three months solid.

Now, what I need advice for. We just bought a new house in another part of
town. It has a nice screened-in lanai with a pool and a "green" area with a
little grass and lots of great places for a cat to lie in the sun. We want
to take KC with us. First, I haven't spoken with these folks about adopting
their cat. They know he is over here and that I feed and take care of him,
though. They see him running  to meet me every afternoon and they haven't
expressed any concern or dismay. How should I approach them about asking to
officially adopt this cat and take him to our new place? I love this little
fellow and don't want to abandon him back to his former life. Plus, he's
used to coming to our place for food. And, of course, there's a little
selfish motivation because he's become my best buddy. Even though,
logically, it's not likely, I'm just afraid they'll "pitch a bitch" and
I'll lose my little buddy and he won't get taken care of like he deserves.

Secondly, even though he is an outdoor cat, he comes to our door and meows
to be let in immediately when my wife or myself get home. We let him in and
he stays in until the next morning when we leave for work. He finds a quiet
place out of the way in whatever room we are in and sleeps, or rubs against
our legs to be petted. He's a very social cat. Likes to be around people.
Absolutely cannot stand to be left in a room alone, unless he's sleeping. I
feel like, if we could train him to use a litter box, he'd stay inside all
the time (which I would prefer. I'm always concerned about him getting into
something or getting hit by a car while we are at work.) My main concern
is, if we take him to a new home, is he gonna be satisified just being
inside most of the day or hanging out on the lanai? I know some dogs will
try to find their way back "home" when they are taken to a new environment.
It would break my heart if we took my little buddy to a new house and he
tried to get out and back to his current neighborhood, only to get killed.
I'd rather leave him here with his previous owners, than have that happen.
Anybody got any advice on "converting" an outdoor cat to an indoor cat?

I know some folks will say I'm too attached to this cat, but, he's like my
kid. I'd rather do what's best for him, than just do what I want because
I'm selfish.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Dave
Luvskats00 - 30 Jan 2004 15:12 GMT
DHardin dave_hardin@nospam.com
>...One of the outdoor cats (KC for Kitty Cat) came to our house...he has
become our cat
>instead of theirs..
>...We just bought a new house in another part of town. ...

Technically, it's the neighbor's cat..however, can you offer them a
"donation" (hoping they're not the type to deny getting that donation and
reclaiming the cat).  Hope this idea or other do the trick. Hope your buddy can
come with you.
M.C. Mullen - 31 Jan 2004 07:03 GMT
| DHardin dave_hardin@nospam.com
| >...One of the outdoor cats (KC for Kitty Cat) came to our house...he has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
| reclaiming the cat).  Hope this idea or other do the trick. Hope your buddy can
| come with you.

The idea is not bad, but I would only use it as a last resort, better buy
some stuff for the cat with the money.

I'd go in the opposite direction: Ask them gently if you may take the cat
with you. If they claim it as their own, say it's for the cat's sake (if
they have a heart for pets then they must see that). If they still claim it
as their own then ask them to pay for the vet bill, that should help, and
exaggerate that the cat was an emergency case and needed treatment. If they
still claim the cat and don't want to pay the bill, say - as gently as you
can - that you'd have to report them to the pet protection people because of
their negligence. This would also help the cat have a better life if you
can't take it with you.

In difficult talks I work out steps, if a) doesn't work then b), c), d) etc.
This helps me to remain so calm that I usually succeed at the beginning.
Good luck! Please keep us informed!

Carola
NickKnight - 31 Jan 2004 15:27 GMT
>| DHardin dave_hardin@nospam.com
>| >...One of the outdoor cats (KC for Kitty Cat) came to our house...he has
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>buddy can
>| come with you.
This is a sticky situation, one that can be very sticky under the law.

One of the things that complicats cat law is that a cat may have
several "owners" or "guardians" none of which may be aware of
the others.  

I would suggest talking to the owners that you know about.  Maybe
they will "allow" you to continue taking care of him.  I doubt
very much you'll get any money for medical expenses, although
can try.  You'll get money from them on the same day George
Bush nominates Howard Dean as his VP.  

One thing a lawyer will tell you is Dog law is very straightforward,
cat law is very convaluted.  

Good luck  Sounds like you will need it.  

[Disclaimer: i'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV.]

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Mike Walton - 31 Jan 2004 21:32 GMT
> >| DHardin dave_hardin@nospam.com
> >| >...One of the outdoor cats (KC for Kitty Cat) came to our house...he has
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> can try.  You'll get money from them on the same day George
> Bush nominates Howard Dean as his VP.  

What a perfect match !

Is John Ashcroft investigating Howard Dean's Internet-savvy, money
laundering operation?

http://www.geocities.com/jfkawards/lennon.htm

Where are all the credit card receipts, did Richard Melon Scaife sign
them?
NickKnight - 31 Jan 2004 22:56 GMT
>http://www.geocities.com/jfkawards/lennon.htm
Someone should mention to the author of the website that that picture
is of Kerry not Dean.  

I remember Kerry back in the years after he came back from Vietnam
and protested against the war.  

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NickKnight - 31 Jan 2004 23:04 GMT
>What a perfect match !
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Where are all the credit card receipts, did Richard Melon Scaife sign
>them?
How is the Dean campaign a money laundering operation?  

Also I have to take issue with the author claiming "We have been
publishing on the Internet since 1998, we have reached millions of
people, we have received thousands of supportive letters acknowledging
our work, but we have not raised a singe penny in contibutions,
because we have not spent a single penny. That's how the Internet
works. If you want to make money on the Internet, you have to spend it
first. Everything else, is money laundering."  So if they haven't s
spent a single dime how did they 1.  get  a website desgned?  (they
probably spent $600+ to have it designed) and 2.  they probably have
to pay for the storage space on the server.  I didn't see anything in
his blurb about him doing his own website creation or having his
own server/storage space.  
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Mike Walton - 01 Feb 2004 14:17 GMT
> >What a perfect match !
> >
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> his blurb about him doing his own website creation or having his
> own server/storage space.

It looks like they publish on free servers.  
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NickKnight - 01 Feb 2004 18:42 GMT
>It looks like they publish on free servers.  
Then were are the ads?  The server has to make money somehow.  
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