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Cat Forum / General Topics / February 2004Understanding what pets say
Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", my normally quiet kitty (Russian Blue) will become very vocal. What words or commands does your pet understand? And if were supposed to be smarter than they are, why do they understand some of our language(s), but we don't understand dog/cat speak?  Signature"Hilary Duff is the covergirl for an international youth industry" -- Unknown View the countdown for when Hilary Duff turns 18 (I know you're waiting for it): http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=28&month=09&year =2005&hour=00&m The next T-shirt slogan (seriously): "Is it chicken or is it tuna?" > Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the > meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", > my normally quiet kitty (Russian Blue) will become very vocal. What words > or commands does your pet understand? Sasha knows "outside", "time to come in" , no, down, treat, chase (it's a game we play) and of course her name. She comes when she is called, will usually stop what she is doing when I tell her no, and knows that the sound of the garage opening means I am home. > And if were supposed to be smarter than they are, why do they > understand some of our language(s), but we don't understand dog/cat speak? Because cats aren't smart enough to follow up vocal sounds with actions to explain the sound like we do. The way you teach your cat (or anyone who spoke a different language) what you mean is by using body language or some sort of response after each word. Sasha knows "treat" because I say it before giving her one..so now when I say it she runs to the cupboard where she sees me get them. If she would come in and yowl...then run to the door I would know she wants out. (that's what my dog did). They don't, they just yowl and stare at you because generally they aren't smart enough to know how to "teach" you what they want, although there are exceptions to every rule. AG Stating that animals aren't "smart enough to such-and-such" is vastly oversimplifying matters and is comparing apples to oranges. Humans and animals have very different ways of communicating. Discussing comparative intelligence is useless in this case. Understanding words and commands has very little to do with innate intelligence, animals respond more readily to tone of voice, body stance, etc. If you, human, along with your pet cat or dog, were tossed out into a frozen plain , naked and hungry, who do you think would die first? Companion animals are just as "smart" as they need to be. Just because your cat doesn't do what you ask it to doesn't mean that it's not "smart". "Smart" is a very ambiguous term. Cats and dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years to respond to and adapt to human wishes. If people were a little more attentive they would notice and understand animal behavior and body language. Humans are humans and animals are animals. If I asked my cat to take out the trash, and he didn't, does that make him dumb? If your cat is asking you to turn down the music and give him come catnip, and you don't, does that make you dumb? Maybe! > > Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the > > meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > AG > Stating that animals aren't "smart enough to such-and-such" is vastly > oversimplifying matters and is comparing apples to oranges. Humans and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > turn down the music and give him come catnip, and you don't, does that make > you dumb? Maybe! I know it's very PC to try and give our animals more intelligence then they deserve...especially in a group of animal lovers. But let's be realistic. The OP was asking why "if we are smarter than they are" how come they can learn to understand us but not visa-versa. The correct answer is because they can't explain themselves. Have you ever had to learn a foreign language from someone who didn't speak your native tongue? The only way it happens is with hand signals and responsive gestures. To explain drink you gesture as if tipping a glass...etc. If your cat was smart enough to realize you don't speak feline then he or she might try some sort of body language but the fact remains they aren't that intuitive. Sure I can learn to recognize certain body language from my cat, I know when she wants attention and when she doesn't but not because she taught me. We figure it out through trial and error and because of our own past experiences with cats. Science can measure brain activity and capacity to learn. There are some animals that have as much capacity for understanding as we do...and we really can't determine how "smart" they are. Cats aren't one of them. I'm not really saying they aren't "smart"...but they don't have the same capacity for understanding or teaching as humans do. And if you don't believe me..try spending the next couple of weeks explaining the theory of relativity to your cat then get back to me <g> AG "Agua Girl" <uknown@spamblock.net> wrote in message > I know it's very PC to try and give our animals more intelligence then they > deserve... Actually animals are extremely intelligent and they display that in number of ways. Humans who cannot see other creature's intelligence are to say the least - ignorant. If you spend more time learning about cats and the ways they communicate, or why, how, when and where they do certain things in their life, maybe you could have a right to say anyone is less intelligent then you/humans. >>especially in a group of animal lovers. But let's be realistic. Yeah let's. How can you possibly measure ones intelligence? On what bases? You don;t know anything about cats, or their language. You don;t speak it, don;t understand it, and do not have a clue of how they work. So how can you call yourself more intelligent? Cats/dogs, any animal really that is forced to leave with us humans at least tries to understand our language and works around it. But us humans, well for most seems to be way "bellow" us to TRY and understand them! Like in your case, it;s just so much easier to just call them stupid. In fact very few cat owners really make an effort to get to know their cats. I mean really really know. This is why this group is so invaluable. Because most people here actually understand or TRY and understand cats. We are not more intelligent then them. Like Dejablues said, you are comparing apples and oranges. Until you learn their language you really have no right to speak against them. Dejablues asked you an excellent question which you avoided answering. Why? (And would that be a sign of a lower intelligence?) But without being sarcastic, seriously, I will repeat his question for you to answer: "If you, human, along with your pet cat or dog, were tossed out into a frozen plain , naked and hungry, who do you think would die first?". I am not a top of the class Mensa student, but I sure know the answer to this one. Do you? In fact let's add more fairness to this question to make it more fair to cats(which is only fair): if you were tossed under the same conditions into a world where nobody speaks YOUR language, and you have NOBODY to fall back onto for help, who would you think would die first. Because that is how it would be for a cat. So go on, let;'s hear your "intelligent" answer. Do you really think you would be smarter then an animal. ANY animal. Never underestimate anyone. Especially animals and kids. > The OP was asking why "if we are smarter than they are" how come > they can learn to understand us but not visa-versa. The correct answer > is because they can't explain themselves. Just because YOU don;t understand their language and gestures, it doesn;t in any way mean they are NOT explaining themselves. It just means YOU don;t have intelligence or will to understand THEM. >Have you ever had to learn > a foreign language from someone who didn't speak your native tongue? > The only way it happens is with hand signals and responsive gestures. To > explain drink you gesture as if tipping a glass...etc. You look at things very one sided: instead of expecting cats to look at things human way, perhaps you should learn to look at things cats way. Now that shows real intelligence as well as love and respect for other God's creatures. > If your cat was smart enough to realize you don't speak feline then he or she might try some sort > of body language but the fact remains they aren't that intuitive. Same way, if you were smart enough to realize YOU don;t speak feline, perhaps you need to ADOPT and LEARN and EXPLAIN things in their way, so in THEIR "body language". And furthermore, they DO explain things to us. YOU just don;t want to see it. I see it in my 4 every day! You know why? Because every day, I try and learn their lifestyle. And I'd never expect them like you tend to, to just simply adopt to mine! Cats are also extremely intuitive: how else do you think they put up with US HUMANS! >Sure I can > learn to recognize certain body language from my cat, I know when she > wants attention and when she doesn't but not because she taught me. Oh no? Just like you haven;t thought her not to bite wires. Or wee outside the litter box. Sure. >We figure it out through trial and error and because of our own past > experiences with cats. So you agree there is plenty WE humans don;t know and need to LEARN as well about animals. So how are we then more intelligent? Gee, I'm confused. > Science can measure brain activity and capacity to learn. There are some > animals that have as much capacity for understanding as we do...and we really can't > determine how "smart" they are. Cats aren't one of them. Unless those same scientists learn the communication language of another God's creature in full, and are able to actively communicate and learn about them, and see things from their point of view as well, I really think they shouldn;t talk, or judje. And so do you. You know nothing about cats intelligence. Nor do I. But I never underestimate anybody.Becuase that WOULD be a sign of a lower intelligence. > I'm not really saying they aren't "smart"... Yes, you are.You have been. >but they don't have the same capacity for understanding or > teaching as humans do. You seem to be failing to understand main point: cats are NOT humans. They DO have capacity to understand and teach - but in CATS way. Stop blaming THEM for YOUR inability to understand them! Just think what they might be saying about YOU! >And if you don't believe me.. You;ve given me nothing TO believe. >try spending the next couple of > weeks explaining the theory of relativity to your cat then get back to me <g> > AG Now that would be a stupid thing to do. Just like a cat teaching YOU how to catch a mouse.Stop judging the cats human way. Gee > "Agua Girl" <uknown@spamblock.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > their life, maybe you could have a right to say anyone is less intelligent > then you/humans. There are in fact ways to measure an animals and a persons ability to learn. That's how intellegence is measured, by your ability to comprehend. Humans can learn to comprehend complex problems...cat's can't. Sorry..be as outraged as you want but this is just a fact. > >>especially in a group of animal lovers. But let's be realistic. > > Yeah let's. How can you possibly measure ones intelligence? On what bases? You're kidding right? Do you know anything about the subject? I agree that there is a lot of debate and quite a bit of division among the scientific community on exactly how intelligence is measured but all of the means of measurement require a cognitive reasoning skill. It's not just stored knowledge (which humans have a larger brain capacity for) it's applying learned knowledge in solving knew problems. This is a huge field of study, and not one I could wrap up in a few paragraphs here but feel free to do a search and check it out. > You don;t know anything about cats, or their language. You don;t speak it, > don;t understand it, and do not have a clue of how they work. So how can you > call yourself more intelligent? Uhh...simple. I have the abilitly to solve complex problems and my cat chases a laser pen thinking she can catch it. I can't speak for every person and every cat but I am quite certain that I am more intelligent than my cat. >Cats/dogs, any animal really that is forced > to leave with us humans at least tries to understand our language and works > around it. But us humans, well for most seems to be way "bellow" us to TRY > and understand them! Like in your case, it;s just so much easier to just > call them stupid. You don't know anything about me or "my case". I didnt' call my cat stupid. I said the reason we can assume we are smarter even though they can learn from us and not the other way around is because we have the ability to teach.. they don't. I do learn things from my cat. We meditate together for goodness sake. I am in tune to what she is trying to tell me most of the time but that says more about my reasoning powers than her ability to communicate he needs to me. >In fact very few cat owners really make an effort to get > to know their cats. I mean really really know. This is why this group is so > invaluable. Because most people here actually understand or TRY and > understand cats. We are not more intelligent then them. Speak for yourself. >Like Dejablues said, > you are comparing apples and oranges. Until you learn their language you > really have no right to speak against them. Get off the soap box. I answered a simple question. I am not speaking against them. I am very much a cat lover...hell..I have bought cats from people selling them outside of department stores, spent money getting them shots, neutered etc. than GAVE them away just to be sure they didn't fall into the wrong hands. Like I said before...you don't know squat about me. > Dejablues asked you an excellent question which you avoided answering. Why? It wasn't that great a question. It was more than hypothetical and there wasn't enough information to make an intelligent response. > (And would that be a sign of a lower intelligence?) But without being > sarcastic, seriously, I will repeat his question for you to answer: "If you, > human, along with your pet cat or dog, were tossed out into a frozen plain , > naked and hungry, who do you think would die first?". I am not a top of the > class Mensa student, but I sure know the answer to this one. Do you? The cat or dog..only because they wouldn't be naked..they would be wearing a coat. But we would both die rather quickly. The missing info is .. how deep is the snow? what's below it? are there any tree's or rocks..anything that can be used as a tool. That's where you separate physical capabilities (like and animal surving with it's fur coat and me with bare skin) and mental capacity...like me realizing that I could start a fire if I had something to burn and some way to strike a spark or that I could use a rock to dig down to earth which is typically warmer. Hell..I could kill the animal and use it's fur to keep warm if I wasn't such a softie. So what was your answer? > In fact let's add more fairness to this question to make it more fair to > cats(which is only fair): if you were tossed under the same conditions into > a world where nobody speaks YOUR language, and you have NOBODY to fall back > onto for help, who would you think would die first. Because that is how it > would be for a cat. So go on, let;'s hear your "intelligent" answer. Do you > really think you would be smarter then an animal. ANY animal. Well I would be smarter than the cat. Not positive about some animals. Apes, dolphins..some have reasoning powers beyond that of a cat. But as for surving, no problem. Humans have basic hand signals that we can use to simulate meaning. Cat's have a much more limited body language. > Never underestimate anyone. Especially animals and kids. The same can be said for giving someone or some thing too much credit. My ex used to do that. He would be mad at the dog for doing something wrong...and would say stuff like "she did it on purpose" or "she knows what she did"...wrong! Dogs cant link the fact that you are pissed off with something they did 6 hours ago. It's like getting mad at a baby. They don't (scientific fact) have the ability to link the events. People do their animals a grave diservice when they give them too much credit. > > The OP was asking why "if we are smarter than they are" how come > > they can learn to understand us but not visa-versa. The correct answer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > any way mean they are NOT explaining themselves. It just means YOU don;t > have intelligence or will to understand THEM. No, it means they dont' have the cognitive skills to realize I don't understand them. They have the reasoning power of a two year old. If you wound up in a foriegn culture with no one to fall back on...you would mime your way into explaining you want a drink, need to know the time, are hungry..etc.. I do understand my cat to some extent. I recognize the play pose, the pet me flop, the leave me alone glare. That doesn't mean she taught me them, it means that through trial and error I learned her body language. > >Have you ever had to learn > > a foreign language from someone who didn't speak your native tongue? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that shows real intelligence as well as love and respect for other God's > creatures. But you see..that would be showing my intelligence (and my respect etc.).not the cats. You are way overboard here. I love and respect my cat but that doesn't mean I have to run around saying she is smarter than me. She isn't. Science can prove she isn't by measuring her ability to solve complex problems. I know the reflection in the mirror is me and not another person, I know better than to drink antifreeze and I am far less likely to get run over by a car than my cat is. > > If your cat was smart enough to realize you don't speak feline then he or > she might try some sort [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > every day, I try and learn their lifestyle. And I'd never expect them like > you tend to, to just simply adopt to mine! Ohh get off it. You are going way overboard. You want to think your cat is smarter than you than maybe they are. I know I don't speak feline, (although you seem to be saying you do) and that I have to try and guess what she wants based on her actions but to try and give them greater intelligence based on the fact that they can learn words is beyond reasonable. I suggest you type measuring intelligence into some search program and do a little reading. Not only are you not top of the class mensa...I seriously doubt you took any higher education courses in physiology. Ranting at me for not trying to understand my cat just because I recognize that I am more intelligent than a cat is ... well it's stupid. > Cats are also extremely intuitive: how else do you think they put up with US > HUMANS! Well we also manage to put up with eachother so I guess humans are also extremely intuitive eh? > >Sure I can > > learn to recognize certain body language from my cat, I know when she > > wants attention and when she doesn't but not because she taught me. > > Oh no? Just like you haven;t thought her not to bite wires. Or wee outside > the litter box. Sure. Her mother taught her to use the litter box. I don't know if she is smart enough to not bite wires....perhaps they just don't appeal to her. > >We figure it out through trial and error and because of our own past > > experiences with cats. > > So you agree there is plenty WE humans don;t know and need to LEARN as well > about animals. So how are we then more intelligent? Gee, I'm confused. Yes you are. I suggest further reading on your part. You cant just impart intelligence on your cat because you love it. That's actually not very responsible. You have to know your pets limitations so you can care for it properly. We are more intelligent because we have a greater capacity for cognitive reasoning. This has been measured. We also have a greater capacity for storing knowledge....again...measured. We may not know alot about the human brain but we have been able to map it and realize what areas are responsible for processing and storing information. > > Science can measure brain activity and capacity to learn. There are some > > animals that have as much capacity for understanding as we do...and we [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > shouldn;t talk, or judje. And so do you. You know nothing about cats > intelligence. Nor do I. That's apparent. As for what I know... you can't aren't in any position to judge. I don't know what my cat thinks or how to translate each meow into an equivalent human word but I do know that she doesn't have enough reasoning power to know that if it's raining in the back yard it's going to be raining in the front too. But I never underestimate anybody.Becuase that WOULD > be a sign of a lower intelligence. So is imparting intelligence where none exists. BTW..I never used the term 'lower'. I don't consider any animal or human a lower life form. I just don't try and impart traits on them that they don't have. > > I'm not really saying they aren't "smart"... > > Yes, you are.You have been. no..I am saying we are smarter. > >but they don't have the same capacity for understanding or > > teaching as humans do. > > You seem to be failing to understand main point: cats are NOT humans. They > DO have capacity to understand and teach - but in CATS way. Stop blaming > THEM for YOUR inability to understand them! GET OFF THAT WILL YOU. The OP asked why they can understand us and not visa versa. I explained...clinically. You are making this into a you don't love and respect animals debate. Bullshit. I don't pretend they are smarter than humans. Because I don't, I know it's up to me to make cognitive decisions for my cats sake....much like you would a child. (or an ignorant adult) > Just think what they might be saying about YOU! > >And if you don't believe me.. > > You;ve given me nothing TO believe. That's your problem. I'm starting to agree that your cats may indeed be smarter than you. > >try spending the next couple of > > weeks explaining the theory of relativity to your cat then get back to me > <g> > Now that would be a stupid thing to do. Just like a cat teaching YOU how to > catch a mouse.Stop judging the cats human way. Are you saying you can't catch a mouse? hmmmmm AG "Agua Girl" <uknown@spamblock.net> wrote in message news:8YGdnUFeEpYr44DdRVn- > There are in fact ways to measure an animals and a persons ability to learn. Oh yeah? Ways invented by HUMAN standards, JUDGED by humans and done in a human way. Perhaps cats have their own tests which we are not even aware of, which they use to test us, humans, and probably think that humans are the biggest idiots on the planet! Point being, you keep judjing different species using the wrong methods. U can;t do that. > That's how intellegence is measured, by your ability to comprehend. Humans > can learn to comprehend complex problems...cat's can't. Do you honestly believe that living in a human world and it's problems and lifestyple is easy for cats? Or any animal for that matter? Animals can comprehend much more then you are giving them credit for. What do you think adoptation is? And cats and other animals had to adopt to human way of living. I would therefore say that they have not only comprehended various problems, but dealt with them and overcome them! >>Sorry..be as outraged as you want but this is just a fact. Fact which you have backed up with nothing. How can you measure ones intelligence when you can;t even speak to them in the same language??????? Care to tell me about that particular "scientific" method? You say "intelligence is measured by the ability to comprehend". Does that mean that anyone who doesn;t speak English is stupid becuase they cannot "comprehend" waht you telling/asking them? Becuase that is what you are saying really, and you know as well as I do, that that cannot be true, therefore making your "fact" just a common delusion of certain humans who need to feel superior in order to feel better about themselves. >>How can you possibly measure ones intelligence? On what bases? > > You're kidding right? Do you know anything about the subject? Do you? We are talking about different species here, not a single one. It' slike saying aliens are stupid. How would we possibly be able to know that? (And that of course unless you believe Earth is the ONLY planet in universe that has a form of life, which wouldn;t surprise me) >all of the means of measurement require a cognitive reasoning skill. Yet you keep saying cats are not intelligent... >feel free to do a search and check it out. Don;t need to. Like I said, until scientists LEARN the communication language of another species, there is NOTHING they can do to prove or disapprove about the intelligence of said species,and especially not measure it and judje it in human terms only.. > > You don;t know anything about cats, or their language. You don;t speak it, > > don;t understand it, and do not have a clue of how they work. So how can > you call yourself more intelligent? > > Uhh...simple. I have the abilitly to solve complex problems and my > cat chases a laser pen thinking she can catch it. That proves absolutely nothing. Once again, you are measuring your cats intelligence in human terms. > I can't speak for every person and every cat but I am quite certain that I am more > intelligent than my cat. Not judjing by what you;ve been saying so far. You just want to feel superior to it, disregarding the fact that YOU are the one who doesn;t speak nor understand her language, way of living etc. She had to adopt to you and your lifestyle not vice versa. > >Cats/dogs, any animal really that is forced > > to leave with us humans at least tries to understand our language and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You don't know anything about me or "my case". I don;t need or want to know anything about you, but we are talking about this particualr subject hence my previous comment.You are unfortunately not the only human who thinks its above the animals. > I didnt' call my cat stupid. That's true, you didn;t. But you said it more then ones that cats are not smart enough, or that you/other animals are more intelligent etc. You may not have called cats "stupid" but the tone of your posts shows that you don;t think highly of them. > I said the reason we can assume we are smarter even though they can learn > from us and not the other way around is because we have the ability to > teach.. they don't. LOL. I beg to differ! Every cat lover will tell you that they are owned by a cat, not vice versa. I wonder why would people say that? > I do learn things from my cat. We meditate together for goodness > sake. I am in tune to what she is trying to tell me most of the time but > that says more about my reasoning powers than her ability to communicate he needs to > me. Well this is what you think and it;s obvious you refuse to look at the things from any other point of view. That is of course your choice, but you thinking it doesn;t make it so. Perhaps you need to start giving animals a little more credit. > >In fact very few cat owners really make an effort to get > > to know their cats. I mean really really know. This is why this group is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Speak for yourself. LOL. See, what I said earlier is true: you do need to feel superior to make yourself feel better. I on the other hand am very confident and very realistic. I never underestimate. >Like Dejablues said, > > you are comparing apples and oranges. Until you learn their language you > > really have no right to speak against them. > > Get off the soap box. I answered a simple question. I am not speaking > against them. It doesn;t sound like it. See if you read back your posts, you keep telling cat lovers around the world that their cats are not very intelligent. Nobody can take kindly to it. I am just trying to point this out to you, and give a good counter argument, so you and others who might have the same misconception see everything is not black and white. I am very much a cat lover...hell..I have bought cats from people selling > them outside of department stores, spent money getting them shots, neutered > etc. than GAVE them away just to be sure they didn't fall into the wrong > hands. Like I said before...you don't know squat about me. Everything you have done for the cats is commendable. Most of us here have done similar things too. Doing things for cats is great, but what I am saying is that you should perhaps go a step further and try adn understand THEM as well, try and learn their language. If you really love them that much, why don;t you give them a bit more chance, a bit more credit and learn a bit more about them? I once myself thought that humans are intelligent and everyone else stupid. But that was just something society teaches you - a delusion. Same way Hitler thought Germans they are better then any other race, or men believed for centuries women shouldn;t have any rights and can be abused. Scratch the surfice, you will be surprised at how wonderful the knew knowledge can be,a nd just how much the other side has to offer. > > Dejablues asked you an excellent question which you avoided answering. > Why? > > It wasn't that great a question. It was more than hypothetical and there > wasn't > enough information to make an intelligent response. It is a hypothetical situation - for you. But not so hypotethical for many animals being tossed out in the wild every day. Also you know what he meant, so there was more then enough info for a good response. >>: "If you, human, along with your pet cat or dog, were tossed out into a frozen plain > , naked and hungry, who do you think would die first?". I am not a top of > the class Mensa student, but I sure know the answer to this one. Do you? > > The cat or dog..only because they wouldn't be naked..they would be wearing > a coat. But we would both die rather quickly. \ LOL. No. An animal would be able to revert to its natural instincts, quickly find a shelter and protect itself from cold. Then when hunglry it would use its amazing hunting skills to catch itself some food: mouse/bird/rat/flies even. So animal would be more or less fine within 24 hrs. Even if you had a coat, food would be a much bigger problem for a human and it would probably take much longer to get it. Therefore much higher likeliness to die. An animal most likely wouldn;t die. > mental capacity...like me realizing that I could start a fire if I had something to > burn a some way to strike a spark or that I could use a rock to dig down to earth > which is typically warmer. Hell..I could kill the animal and use it's fur to keep > warm if I wasn't such a softie. So what was your answer? An animal - obviously. Very few humans can survive like Robinson Crusoe, no matter how much they think they can. Making a fire...try it first. Then you 'll see what I mean. >> if you were tossed under the same conditions into a world where nobody speaks YOUR language, and you have NOBODY to fall back onto for help, who would you think would die first. Because that is how it would be for a cat. So go on, let;'s hear your "intelligent" answer. Do you really think you would be smarter then an animal. ANY animal. > Well I would be smarter than the cat. Se this is exactly how you keep making this mean remarks. >as for surving, no problem. Humans have basic hand signals that we can use > to simulate meaning. Cat's have a much more limited body language. And much more intelligence when it comes to surviving! No way you are more intelligent then the cat in this respect especially! Just imagine being tossed out I dunno say in some African country. You speak no language, you have no money or cards, no phone no friends or family, no nothing! Yeah, I am sure U would have a blast thanks to your "intelligence" and a "body language". HA! > > Never underestimate anyone. Especially animals and kids. > > The same can be said for giving someone or some thing too much credit. Here is the newsflash: nobody is giving them too much credit. My ex used to do that. He would be mad at the dog for doing something wrong...and would say stuff like "she did it on purpose" or "she knows what she did"...wrong! Dogs cant link > the fact that you are pissed off with something they did 6 hours > ago. It's like getting mad at a baby. They don't (scientific fact) have the ability to link the events. People do their animals a grave > diservice when they give them too much credit. Firstly, although it is always advised to never "panish" an animal or a kid hours after the've done something bad, for the reason you discribed above, many people will tell you that their pets/kids do actually KNOW when they have done something wrong and will behave differently, often hiding or looking for extra attention. My Shadow is a live example. She has done a wee on the bed last week. She knows that is not the place to do it, but she had her reasons, whatever they were. She then went into hiding for the rest of the day, even though I didn;t do anything about it, as didn;t atch her in the act. But she sure knew she has done something wrong. Ever since that day she has been asking and giving me much more attention as if to make up for the incident. So oh yes she knows. And another thing, also with Shadow, when my QT died she was grieving for him. They were soulmates. Nobody can tell me otherwise, I watched her behaviour every day, and she was blatantly hurting. So she knew and she felt it as much as I have. So no, do not underestimate cats. We humans don;t know enough about them, we just think we do. > > Just because YOU don;t understand their language and gestures, it doesn;t > in any way mean they are NOT explaining themselves. It just means YOU don;t > > have intelligence or will to understand THEM. > > No, it means they dont' have the cognitive skills to realize I don't > understand them. ME ME ME! Listen to yourself! Did nobody ever tell you to try and look at thing from other side's point of view!? How on earth would you know weather they do or they don;t anyway???? HOW? -sigh- >They have the reasoning power of a two year old. Again - apples and oranges - judged by human terms. - sigh- > If you wound up > in a foriegn culture with no one to fall back on...you would mime your way > into explaining you want a drink, need to know the time, are hungry..etc.. Aha. maybe they would understand you. or maybe they would think you are swearing at them with those gestures. Besides who is to say they would help you? > I do understand my cat to some extent. I recognize the play pose, the > pet me flop, the leave me alone glare. That doesn't mean she taught me > them, it means that through trial and error I learned her body language. Maybe if you made more effort to learn about cats in the first place, you wouldn;t need to learn things through trial and error. I strongly suggest you tune into Discovery Animal Planet and watch a series called "An animals world" on cats. That is the best program I have ever watched on cats so far and I have learned an enourmous amount from it. You definitly need to watch that. > > You look at things very one sided: instead of expecting cats to look at > > things human way, perhaps you should learn to look at things cats way. Now > > that shows real intelligence as well as love and respect for other God's creatures. > But you see..that would be showing my intelligence (and my respect etc.).not > the cats. That was my point. >You are way overboard here. I love and respect my cat but that > doesn't mean I have to run around saying she is smarter than me. Nobody said you do. I never said cats are smarter then humans. I also never said they are NOT smarter then humans. NOBODY knows weather they are or they are not. And nobody will be able to , until we learn their language. So simple! > She isn't. I;m begining to think otherwise. > Science can prove she isn't by measuring her ability to solve complex problems. ARGH! Again the same invalid point: how many times: those are HUMAN problems they are expecting another species to solve, made by humans judged by humans and done in humans ways! That will NEVER prove another species is NOT intelligent enough! Their world is differnet! Their judgement is different. Their sences are different. Their lifestly is different. Their instincts are different. THEYA ARE DIFFERENT. So on what bases are those tests prooving anything at all! Nothing! > I know the reflection in the mirror is me and not another person, OK, I'll teach you something here: the reason cats generaly do not pay attention to mirrors is not because they are NOT intelligent, but because their world mostly works on sence of smell not on sense of sight. So since they cannot smell the cat in the mirror, it generally doesn;t bother them, although some cats can get aggitated by the movement of other cat in the mirror. See, I made an effort to find out why. So should you, before you use this statement in your defence. > I know better than to drink antifreeze Antifreeze is NOT a natural God made product.Cats know exactly what they cann or cannot eat outdoors (that is made by God ) unlike you. Antifreeze contains the elements that unfortunately taste good to animals, so since it is noa natural product unless you train animal not to eat it, it will. This is human not cats responsibility. >and I am far less likely to get run over by a car than my cat is. Now probably. Not when you were a kid. Since cars are once again a human product, it is only fiar to train a kid/cat/dog in their dangers, or protect them from it. None of your above exaples have anything to do with your intelligence being superior to cats. >> if you were smart enough to realize YOU don;t speak feline, > > perhaps you need to ADOPT and LEARN and EXPLAIN things in their way, so in > > THEIR "body language". And furthermore, they DO explain things to us. YOU > > just don;t want to see it. I see it in my 4 every day! You know why? > Because every day, I try and learn their lifestyle. And I'd never expect them like > > you tend to, to just simply adopt to mine! > > Ohh get off it. You are going way overboard. No. I am making an effort. Mine and your cats are making an effort. But you are not.Why? >You want to think your cat is smarter than you than maybe they are. Like I explained before I never said it one way or the other. I am just pointing out to you, that you have no bases and no rights to say that you are smarter then them. > I know I don't speak feline, Finally. (although you seem to be saying you do) Care to point out the sentence where I actually said that? No? Becuase I didin;t. What I said and you with your high intelligence misunderstood is that I TRY and understand and learn as much as I can about the cats. I only WISH I could speak feline. >and that I have to try and guess what she wants based on her actions but to try and give > them greater intelligence based on the fact that they can learn words is beyond reasonable. You said to me I don;t know U so how can I judge you. You don;t know cats, so how can you judge them? > I suggest you type measuring intelligence into some search program and do a little reading. And I suggest you type the word "cats" and do some reading yourself. >Not only are you not top of the class mensa...I seriously doubt you took any higher education > courses in physiology. No I didn;t. I studed Zoology though. Of course when it comes to cats, the course in (human)physiology is much more important.... >Ranting at me for not trying to understand my cat just because I recognize that I am more intelligent than a cat is ... well it's stupid. And you are basing this opinion on which scientifically proven fact...? LOL > > Cats are also extremely intuitive: how else do you think they put up with US HUMANS! > Well we also manage to put up with eachother so I guess humans are also > extremely intuitive eh? Nobody said anything about that. Your point in question was that cats aren't. > > >Sure I can learn to recognize certain body language from my cat, I know when she > > > wants attention and when she doesn't but not because she taught me. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Her mother taught her to use the litter box. I don't know if she is smart > enough to not bite wires....perhaps they just don't appeal to her. So you are basing your opinions on 1 cat ? Tsz tsz tsz. > > So you agree there is plenty WE humans don;t know and need to LEARN as > well about animals. So how are we then more intelligent? Gee, I'm confused. > Yes you are. Well with all your higher then cats IQ, you still didn;t get this was a sarcastic comment :) He he > I suggest further reading on your part. So what shell I read about: Human physiology? Scientific tests and facts which you said were all different from one another? Human superiority to everyone else? Hitler's springs to mind for some reason! :) Naah. I'd rather learn more about cats. >You cant just impart intelligence on your cat because you love it. And you can;t just say they are less intelligent then you without any proof. > That's actually not very responsible. You have to know your pets limitations so you can care for > it properly. What is not responsible is people like you not learning enough about their cats, then getting them and doing things to them that suits THEM and not cats. Declawing as a prime example. Not understanding or allowing essentials to cats: like the need to go on the furniture/high up, like fully understanding the impact od not nuetering their cats, or allowing them to raom free, like training a cat not to bite wires or NOT do certaing things that humans have invented that can harm them. Now that is irresponsible. Me giving animals respect they deserve, and telling you and others they should learn about them is everything but. > We are more intelligent because we have a greater capacity for cognitive reasoning. >This has been measured. We also have a greater capacity for storing knowledge....again...measured. by....????? > We may not know alot about the human brain but we have been able to map it and realize what >areas are responsible for processing and storing information. So let me get this straight: you are saying humans dont; know enough about humans. You also agree humans have to learn a lot about animals. Yet, you still stand by your strange opinion in which you think humans are more intelligent. I see.-sigh- > > > Science can measure brain activity and capacity to learn. There are some animals that have as much capacity for understanding as we do...and we really can't determine how "smart" they are. Cats aren't one of them. -sigh- ... Repetition of the same insult - again.And without the proof. Again. > > Unless those same scientists learn the communication language of another > > God's creature in full, and are able to actively communicate and learn [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's apparent. As for what I know... you can't aren't in any position to judge. Actually I am. I onviously know and try and learn about cats much more then you do. I do not disrespect them and underestimate them the way you do. I am fair and believe in innocent -till proven guilty. So on this subject I have a right to judge your opionion whch you have clearly emphisised about 100 times: you think you are smarter then cats. You don;t know that.You are just obviously sitting on some imaginary pedestal, not being fair, nor respectful nor havong any proof for that matter to support your "higher" intelligence. > I don't know what my cat thinks or how to translate each meow into an equivalent human word but I do know that she doesn't have enough reasoning power to know that if it's raining in the back yard it's going to be raining in the front too. OMG - you're like a broken record! Who are you trying to prove to you are smarter then your cat: me or yourself? > But I never underestimate anybody.Becuase that WOULD > > be a sign of a lower intelligence. > > So is imparting intelligence where none exists. I thought you said you never said cats were stupid? Having "NONE" intelligence does seem to imply you do think that. >BTW..I never used the term 'lower'. Potato - potato > I don't consider any animal or human a lower life > form. I just don't try and impart traits on them that they don't have. You don;t know if they do or don;t have. > > I'm not really saying they aren't "smart"... > > Yes, you are.You have been. no..I am saying we are smarter. You just suggested in previous sentence cats have "none" intelligence???!!!???? > >but they don't have the same capacity for understanding or > > teaching as humans do. > > You seem to be failing to understand main point: cats are NOT humans. They > DO have capacity to understand and teach - but in CATS way. Stop blaming > THEM for YOUR inability to understand them! > GET OFF THAT WILL YOU. Not until you make an effort to understand them. > The OP asked why they can understand us and not visa versa. I explained...clinically. No no you didn;t "explain " anything. U basically just said that "cats aren't smart enough" and not once.You backed that up with your statements (which we discussed many times), and which are baseless and onesided, not to mantion your expectation that cats should behave/react like humans otherwise they are just not smart enough. CMON! > You are making this into a you don't love and respect animals debate. Nobody said anything about loving them. Nor doubted your love for them. I did however mantion respect and getting to know them better, which will help both human and a cat. > Bullshit. No need for this kind of language just becuase you don;t agree with me. > I don't pretend they are smarter than humans. Nobody is saying that they are. Or not. I keep telling you that we don;t know one way or the other - NOBODY DOES- so untill we do for certain, you can;t say you are smarter then them. That is my point. > Because I don't, I know it's up to me to make cognitive decisions for my cats sake....much like you would a child. (or an ignorant adult) And I am sure you can make good decision for your cat/kid/ignorant adult. Still this does not PROVE you are smarter then them. Can;t you see that? > > >And if you don't believe me.. > > > > You;ve given me nothing TO believe. > > That's your problem. LOL. How can that possibly MY problem. LOL. If you make a statement but can;t back it up with some facts, then who;s got the problem? > I'm starting to agree that your cats may indeed be smarter than you. Aah. Another wannabe insult he he. All I can say to that is: Untill you learn their language you will never know for sure will ya! Just like a cat teaching YOU how to catch a mouse.Stop judging the cats human way. > Are you saying you can't catch a mouse? hmmmmm Are you saying you could? The cats way that is, no mouse trap nonsence? In a field running free? Naah didn;t think so. So yeah : hmmmmmmmmm! See that is your problem: you keep judging the cats human way. Think their way for once. let's see that intelligence in action. (snipped all kinds of idiotic nonsense about judging by human standards..yada yada yada) I got it. You are absolutely correct. Cats are smarter than you. I'm not going to waste my time on this subject. You want to believe your cats are gods and they have this whole intelligent underworld where they discuss us humans and report back to the mother ship..go ahead. Your reality is what you make it. My reality says a cats brain is smaller, can't store the same amount of information. My reality says that a cat's reasoning power (measured through those damn human tests) might let it put 2 and 2 together to come up with 4 but won't let it understand more complex theories like sound waves or how electricity works. That makes humans more intelligent. NOT BETTER, NOT SUPERIOR, NOT ABOVE, just having more brain power. I am perfectly comfortable with accepting, respecting and loving my cats just as they are. I don't need to make them into something else. You go ahead and dress up your cats in dolls clothes, give them human traits, convince yourself you can speak cat. As long as you are not a threat to yourself or society I am sure they will let you continue...just avoid tight white jackets. AG > (snipped all kinds of idiotic nonsense about judging by human > standards..yada yada yada) Was it too difficult for you to understand it he he. Don;t you just love it when people think they are highly intelligent yet can;t even answer a question or present a good counter-argument. > I got it. You are absolutely correct. Cats are smarter than you. If you got that from what I said, I feel sorry for you. > I'm not going to waste my time on this subject. No. You just don;t have a good counter argument.Nor proof. > You want to believe your cats are gods and they have this whole > intelligent underworld where they discuss us humans > and report back to the mother ship..go ahead. LOL So stubborn, and so childish. Why didn;t you surprise me. > Your reality is what you make it. My reality says a cats brain > is smaller, can't store the same amount of information. My [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > humans more intelligent. NOT BETTER, NOT SUPERIOR, > NOT ABOVE, just having more brain power. Broken record. -Yawn- Already answered. > I am perfectly comfortable with accepting, respecting and loving my cats > just as they are. I don't need to make them into something else. You can;t make cats into anything. You dont have the power. You can only believe what you already believe. Which is wrong, but you obviously are far 2 stubborn and not prepared to open your mind and give more respect to other creatures. Your choice. > You go ahead and dress up your cats in dolls clothes, ???????? You are loosing it now. What kind of pathetic statement is this? >give them human traits, well you are the one to talk! A person who makes all her judgements based on HUMAN rules/tests and beliefs! >convince yourself you can speak cat. Again, you are just talking rubish. You obviously didn;t understand a word of what I said did ya? In fact I doubt you read it at all. all sign of higher intelligence. Ha! I think not. >As long as you are not a threat to yourself or society I am sure > they will let you continue...just avoid tight white jackets. You are really sad now. You got nothing intelligent to say so your resort to insults. All I can say to that: you really ought to work harder on them he he. Gee > AG >Uhh...simple. I have the abilitly to solve complex problems and my >cat chases a laser pen thinking she can catch it. I can't speak for >every person and every cat but I am quite certain that I am more >intelligent than my cat. A friend of mine brought his 1.5 year old over yesterday, he was equally amused by the laser pointer, and chased both it and the kittens around the house. > >Uhh...simple. I have the abilitly to solve complex problems and my > >cat chases a laser pen thinking she can catch it. I can't speak for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > amused by the laser pointer, and chased both it and the kittens around > the house. that sounds about right. Based on measured brain activity (human designed test...I know), Cats are thought to have the reasoning power of about a 2 year old. Your mileage may vary <G>. AG > Humans are humans and animals are animals. If I asked my cat to take out the > trash, and he didn't, does that make him dumb? Hehe... No, that just makes 'em lazy.. :) Mar ------------------------------------------------ "I meant," said Ipslore, bitterly,"what is there in this world that makes living worthwhile?" Death thought about it. "Cats," he said eventually, "Cats are nice." -Terry Pratchett, 'Sourcery' >Humans are humans and animals are animals. If I asked my cat to take out the >trash, and he didn't, does that make him dumb? If your cat is asking you to >turn down the music and give him come catnip, and you don't, does that make >you dumb? Maybe! How about if I ask the kids to take out the trash and they don't, are they dumb? They're only 11 (twin girls), but it's still easier to figure out the cats then the kids sometimes. > >Humans are humans and animals are animals. If I asked my cat to take out the > >trash, and he didn't, does that make him dumb? If your cat is asking you to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > How about if I ask the kids to take out the trash and they don't, are > they dumb? Yes. They're too dumb to realize that they're going to get smacked if they don't do their chores. > They're only 11 (twin girls), but it's still easier to figure out the > cats then the kids sometimes. Hint: Your daughters' mission in life for the next twenty years (or so) will be to get some penis. Everything they do will have that common denominator. Now you know. Cats only act that way when they come into heat, unless they're spayed/neutered. So just think of your daughters as two cats that are in heat all day, every day. (Maybe if you get them spayed they'll be easier to understand...) "L. Orange" <lorang@box.warehouse> wrote in message > Yes. They're too dumb to realize that they're going to get smacked if > they don't do their chores. Oh Geez, not another one who thinks violence will get him anywhere... > > They're only 11 (twin girls), but it's still easier to figure out the > > cats then the kids sometimes. > > Hint: Your daughters' mission in life for the next twenty years (or so) > will be to get some penis. Perhaps if your brain was a bit higher up, you'd realise women do not have only thing on their mind. >Everything they do will have that common > denominator. Now you know. Cats only act that way when they come into > heat, unless they're spayed/neutered. So just think of your daughters as > two cats that are in heat all day, every day. (Maybe if you get them > spayed they'll be easier to understand...) Oh I get it: you;re a troll! Youa re the weakest link: Goodbye! >> How about if I ask the kids to take out the trash and they don't, are >> they dumb? > >Yes. They're too dumb to realize that they're going to get smacked if >they don't do their chores. Actually, I use the spray bottle for annoying behaviour, and treats for good behaviour. I find it's equally effective with kids as with cats. That's just me though. | >> How about if I ask the kids to take out the trash and they don't, are | >> they dumb? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | good behaviour. I find it's equally effective with kids as with cats. | That's just me though. Wot? Treats or the spray bottle <g> Carola >| >Yes. They're too dumb to realize that they're going to get smacked if >| >they don't do their chores. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Wot? Treats or the spray bottle <g> Both. Just this evening, I found a kitten sitting on the counter eating some food I left out (okay, that was dumb -- Got caught on a phone call). Spray the cat, she jumps down and runs away. Not 15 minutes later, 11 year old girl sitting in the same place, eating the same food. Spray her, she jumps down and runs away too. >They >don't, they just yowl and stare at you because generally they aren't smart > enough to know how to "teach" you what they want, although there are >exceptions to every rule. My kittens are getting me trained... The "I want something" meow is pretty clear, and although I can't tell what they want, if I stand up and walk over to them (one or more) they'll run in the direction they want me to go. Usually it means hungry or new water, or that they want to be dried off (meaning they were doing something bad, got caught and sprayed with water) or that the kids forgot to empty a littlebox or something, but I can usually tell. > >They > >don't, they just yowl and stare at you because generally they aren't smart [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > water) or that the kids forgot to empty a littlebox or something, but I > can usually tell. Sasha is starting to do that too when she wants out. I'm not sure if it's because I say "outside?" when she comes in and yowls or if it's a learned response to my moving towards the back door. She often runs (and I mean dashes) in front of me when I walk down the hall.. guessing which room I am going into. This is a learned response from her though; ala pavlovs dogs. She knows the best time to get pets and scritches is when I am still. So when I go towards the living room she runs to the couch...when I go towards the bedroom she jumps up on the bed and when I move towards the office she runs under the computer chair. She's not "telling" me she wants attention, she is responding to the memories of where she gets attention. It's a fine line between communicating (as in the I want treats or out) and responding (as in she is going to the couch, that's where I get petted). Don't get me wrong, they can communicate. Sasha is a poor example because I got her just over a year ago at 18 months as a rescue. She hadn't lived with a human before that and for the first year here she was just getting used to the idea that it was permanent. She may teach me a few things yet..but that doesn't change my contention that the reason it's easier for them to learn from us than visa versa is because we KNOW to follow verbal commands with physical action. They don't...at least not usually. AG > > Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the > > meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > game > we play) and of course her name. You are a moron. "L. Orange" <lorang@box.warehouse> wrote in message > You are a moron. And you are much worse: a troll. > Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the > meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", > my normally quiet kitty (Russian Blue) will become very vocal. What words > or commands does your pet understand? None. No pets understand any words; they just learn to respond to certain sounds. You could train it to respond to any sound at all. > And if were supposed to be smarter than they are, why do they > understand some of our language(s), but we don't understand dog/cat speak? LOL. Maybe -you- are dumber than a dog, but I know -I'm- not. We know more about what the different meows, growls, barks, and other sounds mean than cats/dogs know about English. At least I do. "L. Orange" <lorang@box.warehouse> wrote in message > No pets understand any words; they just learn to respond to > certain sounds. You could train it to respond to any sound at all. Words are sounds you dodo > > And if were supposed to be smarter than they are, why do they > > understand some of our language(s), but we don't understand dog/cat speak? > > LOL. Maybe -you- are dumber than a dog, but I know -I'm- not. Good that you know. Becuase I am no so sure. > We know more about what the different meows, growls, barks, and other > sounds mean than cats/dogs know about English. At least I do. No I don;t think you know much about English. Otherwise you'd communicate more with live human beings then trolling around the internet. >None. No pets understand any words; they just learn to respond to >certain sounds. You could train it to respond to any sound at all. The same is true for you, unless you're deaf, or dumb (and I don't mean "if you can't speak") It all depends on what you consider "understanding" a word. When my girlfriend says "hello" to me, I hear and recognize the sound of the word "Hello" and I go upstairs to give her a hug. The cats hear the same sound and respond by going up and meowing, since they know they can beg for food. My cat's understand me.I was sick my old cat found me in the garden,not conscious of falling or anything he was., he went to nabour and was persistent till the nabour finally followed him and found me there..That's to my old buddy I'm here to tell you today he saved my life that day..Cat's are amazing !!!!!!! .Kit > Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the > meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And if were supposed to be smarter than they are, why do they > understand some of our language(s), but we don't understand dog/cat speak? Actually, there are books that explain which sounds mean what for cats. (I don't know about dogs.) For instance, the different parts of MEEOWW mean different things. If your cat says just the MEE part of it in a staccato utterance, it means Come Here. Usually the cat will accompany the sound with looking back periodically to see if you're following. You can use the same sound to call your cat: MEE. Of course, the cat doesn't have to care if you're calling, but mine at least prick their ears and look to see where I am. > Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the > meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", > my normally quiet kitty (Russian Blue) will become very vocal. What words > or commands does your pet understand? "FISK!" ( = "FISH!") Come and get it.................. > Pets seem surprisingly intelligent. Mine seems to have learned the > meaning of certain words and/or phrases. Like when I say "Ready to eat?", > my normally quiet kitty (Russian Blue) will become very vocal. What words > or commands does your pet understand? I speak to my cats with sound instead of speech. They pick it up more easily. FFFT FFFT: Get out of this room so I can shut the door. TSHHT TSHHT: Your about to screw up and make daddy-tat mad. Stop what your doing! CHEEW!: Too late! You've screwed up! Daddy-tat is mad at you! KSSK KSSK KSSK: Daddy-tat is gonna getcha. Its your turn to be "it" for tag. Jijaw titty ready get sumpm eat?: It's din-din time Long slow deliberate blink: Come over here and get some lovin > And if were supposed to be smarter than they are, why do they > understand some of our language(s), but we don't understand dog/cat speak? > Your just not listening close enough. Long slow deliberate blink: Daddy-tat, I sure do wuv you. Broken meow (sounds like yngaa...aaaa....aaaaw): Daddy-tat, is it time to eat yet? Yngaaeeeooow: Daddy-tat, I want some fishy!!! nnngg (with tail curled up): Daddy-tat can't catch me! mmmm: Watcha doin Daddy-tat? Watch body language as well as speech. Once you start observing more closely I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Almost forgot: I gotsta get up: Daddy-tat needs his lap back > What words > or commands does your pet understand? One of my cats definitely uderstands "milk" he even has a particular miaow for it. He stands with his feet up on the fridge saying "meeee meeeee" meeeeeeeee" If we say "Murphy would you like some milk?" he runs to the fridge. Even if we are talking about milk between the humans he picks up on the word and starts asking for some. Jane My cat actually attempts to "talk" to me it seems. He will look dead at me and start making very modified cat sounds at me. Its like he tries to move his mouth in away to speak but he can't cause he's a cat! The sounds that come out are not like the standard Meow we normally hear from cats. This guy is smart. No door or cupboard is safe and we have child locks on everything. Now he gets into the fridge by jumping to the top, bracing himself using the cupboards and front feet. With his back feet he hooks his claws into the upper door seal and then pushes. The door pops open and in he goes!. The fridge is now bungeed shut! > > What words > > or commands does your pet understand? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jane |
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