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Befriending a feral kitty

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rfdjr@aol.com - 17 Jan 2004 05:09 GMT
We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
did to our other 9 babies. He comes in and eats a few times a day,
through the pet door, but then runs if you get near him. Two nights ago
he came in, and we were able to close the door behind him. He hid under
the kitchen table for a while then took up residence under the sofa. Now
he seems comfortable and is starting to explore the place, running into
the occasional problem with one of our other feline residents. But try
to go near him and it's "Hisssssss". I reached for him last night and
got a deep claw mark in my finger for my trouble. We'd really like to
give the little guy a home, but obviously have to get friendly with him.
Is it just a matter of time, or will he never come around? Thanks.
Rick and...
Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
hopefully Cubby.
Rich - 17 Jan 2004 05:26 GMT
Is it possible you got a wild kitty?  Yes, some of our domestic cats that
have been outside too long and not enough contact with us humans can be
wild.  These can be somewhat hard to tame.  I suggest that you talk to a vet
or your local HS and see what they have to say ...you might be surprised.
Keep us posted as to what happens to the little one.

Rich
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> We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
> hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
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> Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
> hopefully Cubby.
M.C. Mullen - 17 Jan 2004 07:01 GMT
| We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
| hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
| Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
| hopefully Cubby.

Yes, give him  p l e n t y  of time. They recommend three weeks until he's
settled in well. I guess if you leave him alone he'll soon wander about and
investigate the place. Maybe after a week you may stroke him. Don't force
things, you might ruin everything.

Carola
XMar - 17 Jan 2004 22:45 GMT
It takes time for them to feel and realise they are safe. That is why
they are so quick with protective instincts.

Let him set the pace. Let him realise you are safe and therefore he is
safe...

But one thing that does concern me....he may be carrying diseases that
can be past on to your other cats....

Are  your other cats protected againt fel aides and fel leukemia???

> We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
> hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
> hopefully Cubby.
rfdjr1@optonline.net - 18 Jan 2004 01:47 GMT
All our cats have been fixed and gotten their shots. Same fate for this
little guy if we can get close to him.

>It takes time for them to feel and realise they are safe. That is why
>they are so quick with protective instincts.
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>> Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
>> hopefully Cubby.
Cheryl - 20 Jan 2004 02:19 GMT
> All our cats have been fixed and gotten their shots. Same fate for
> this little guy if we can get close to him.

You definitely want to have a seclusion period of about 2 weeks.  Even
if your cats are vaccinated, there are other things you need to watch
for.  Ringworm, have tests for FIV/FeLV and get the results back,
parasites like roundworm or tapeworms, other parasites not picked up
by fecal exams very well such as gardia; coccidia and another virus
feline herpes are other things.  The 2 week isolation period is good
for some of these, some you have to proactively look for.
Nikki West - 18 Jan 2004 18:52 GMT
Give him LOTS of time. We've had Tonks since August 3, 2003, and we still
can't pet her.  She'll come up on the bed/couch with us but if we shift
positions she runs off.  She was a feral that was caught by a rescue
program, so we know she's fixed and had her shots.  We try to treat her
normally, talking to her in a calm voice and things like that. Good luck
with your kitty.

Nikki

> We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
> hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
> hopefully Cubby.
Chris Street - 19 Jan 2004 01:30 GMT
>We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
>hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
>hopefully Cubby.

The first thing to prepare for is failure. Some cats simply will not
tame. If the cat is happy outside and seems OK, I personally would trap
him, take him to the vet and get him vaccinated, neutered/spayed etc and
then released and carry on feeding him. Socialisation would be stressful
for him and the other cats and you have to decide if it would be worth
it.

If you want to tame him however then this site here has some excellent
advice. http://www.messybeast.com/feralkit.htm
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Not so quick - 19 Jan 2004 19:00 GMT
> We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
> hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
> hopefully Cubby.

Do not do what I'm recommending. It's crazy and I'm insane for
posting it:

When you get to the point of being able to hold the kitty or even
grab him or her for a second, grab her by the knap of the neck
with your own mouth just like a mother cat. Support her under
the tummy if needed but probably not because she is still a kitty.
There are at least three reasons why this works. It is an instinctual
response that a kitten normally has towards its mother and will
help the kitten bond with you. It puts the kitten completely incapable
of scratching or biting and give them a chance to relax and realize
that they aren't in danger. And it is a good position for them to feel
comfortable because their feet are in a position for landing correctly
and they won't have as much anxiety about being dropped because
they are in their natural landing position.

notes from the loony bin,
: -)
Cheryl - 20 Jan 2004 02:08 GMT
> Is it just
> a matter of time, or will he never come around? Thanks.

My little feral Bonnie took literally months. She was fairly young
when I trapped her and it was 2 weeks in a bathroom, then 2 months in
a cage before I could even let her explore her own room out of the
cage. The time in the cage was important for her to get used to an
indoor environment, get used to me and the other cats and they her,
have her easily accessable for vet visits if necessary (she was spayed
the day after I trapped her and recoup'd in the bathroom).  She had to
go through the series of shots after that so it was important that I
be able to handle her and that meant heavy welders gloves. If she was
let loose even in her own separate room it would have been impossible
to catch her.  As it was, she went to every vet visit for booster
shots in a trap.  Socialization in the beginning was done using a
brush taped to a long wooden spoon to pet her and when she got used to
being touched by that, my gloved hand petting her was next.  Taking
the gloves off to touch her was scary but she handled it well. There
have been scratches but no deep bites. Early on though, she bit hard
into the glove and that is why it is so important to keep yourself
protected in the beginning.

Depending on how wild he is, it can take a long while but it is so
worth it. When your little wild one lets you touch her, or better yet
*comes* to you to be pet, you know you're making progress.  Best of
luck, you are very lucky to be chosen by the wild one.

Cheryl
XMar - 20 Jan 2004 03:55 GMT
What a wonderful and heartwarming story Cheryl, thanks for sharing.

Bonnie is so fortunate to have be found by you.

>>Is it just
>>a matter of time, or will he never come around? Thanks.
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>
> Cheryl
Cheryl - 20 Jan 2004 19:34 GMT
> What a wonderful and heartwarming story Cheryl, thanks for sharing.
>
> Bonnie is so fortunate to have be found by you.

It is the other way around.  She came to me at a time when I really
needed something.  Something to fix, something that needed me.

I've put up links to her pictures so many times.. but ONE more time.
lol
http://community.webshots.com/album/75552731ngVsAM
Not so quick - 21 Jan 2004 07:27 GMT
> > What a wonderful and heartwarming story Cheryl, thanks for sharing.
> >
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> lol
> http://community.webshots.com/album/75552731ngVsAM

Thank you. Now I know how a real feral
cat is. People like me think people like you
are wonderful. If foster parents could read
this... I mean for humans.
Cheryl - 22 Jan 2004 02:59 GMT
> Thank you. Now I know how a real feral
> cat is. People like me think people like you
> are wonderful. If foster parents could read
> this... I mean for humans.

Aww.. thanks for saying so.  She really is a funny little cat.  Full
of weird quirks that I attribute to her experiences.  Who knows what
it was like out there and I believe from her size that she was born
during the worst winter we've had here on the east coast in a long
time.  It is just about her 1st birthday now.  I've given her a
birthday of Jan 25th.  The day my son died last year.
Not so quick - 22 Jan 2004 06:11 GMT
> > Thank you. Now I know how a real feral
> > cat is. People like me think people like you
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> time.  It is just about her 1st birthday now.  I've given her a
> birthday of Jan 25th.  The day my son died last year.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that will be thinking about your
loss of your son on the 25th. My father died on my sister's
birthday. Last year I forgot her birthday because I couldn't
think about my dad dying. That little cat will remind you of
the goodness in the world. It sounds like you are doing one
of the few things you can do. To try to help someone else.
Thanks for sharing. Were you and your son close?
Cheryl - 23 Jan 2004 03:30 GMT
> I'm sure I'm not the only one that will be thinking about your
> loss of your son on the 25th. My father died on my sister's
> birthday. Last year I forgot her birthday because I couldn't
> think about my dad dying.

I understand. My son died on my niece's 21st birthday last year. I'm sure
she hates that her birthday will always now remind us of that day. :(  In
time I think we can both celebrate those birthdays without being reminded
of death, but reminded of a life. Gosh I can't believe I typed that but I'm
trying to think that way.

That little cat will remind you of
> the goodness in the world. It sounds like you are doing one
> of the few things you can do. To try to help someone else.
> Thanks for sharing. Were you and your son close?

Yes, we were. He was my only child. Our mother/son relationship of earlier
years (always good) was being replaced by a friendship that didn't involve
the shaping of his character that the earlier, childhood/teen years does.  
I was truely in awe of him and his talents. He was a talented guitarist and
song writer and a career outside of music that was growing, and that he was
proud of and good at.  The earlier years of worrying about him driving late
at night was replaced by faith that experience brings when someone has been
driving for 7 years and you sort of think the worry that a new driver
causes is past you. I didn't see him as much as I would have liked because
he was always so damned busy. As much as I missed the days when I could
"tell" him he had to come home for family stuff, I was also glad that he
was happy doing what he enjoyed doing and that there was plenty of time for
family at holiday time, plus he didn't live at home anymore.  <sigh>

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rfdjr@aol.com - 23 Jan 2004 04:20 GMT
I know all about birthdays like that. Mine is September 11th. I'm
constantly reminded. I stopped celebrating it. Nothing good in that day
now.

>> I'm sure I'm not the only one that will be thinking about your
>> loss of your son on the 25th. My father died on my sister's
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>was happy doing what he enjoyed doing and that there was plenty of time for
>family at holiday time, plus he didn't live at home anymore.  <sigh
MarAzul - 23 Jan 2004 06:26 GMT
> I know all about birthdays like that. Mine is September 11th. I'm
> constantly reminded. I stopped celebrating it. Nothing good in that day
> now.

That's not true for me. My second cat, my little munchkin, was born on sept.
11th. So at least one good thing happened that day.

Mar
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living worthwhile?"

Death thought about it.
"Cats," he said eventually, "Cats are nice."

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Kaylea - 24 Feb 2004 09:08 GMT
> I know all about birthdays like that. Mine is September 11th. I'm
> constantly reminded. I stopped celebrating it. Nothing good in that day
> now.

I still celebrate my birthday on Sept. 11.  It is the only day of the year I
can claim as mine.  Am not going to let a bunch of lunatics ruin it for me.

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Not so quick - 24 Jan 2004 06:14 GMT
> > I'm sure I'm not the only one that will be thinking about your
> > loss of your son on the 25th. My father died on my sister's
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> was happy doing what he enjoyed doing and that there was plenty of time for
> family at holiday time, plus he didn't live at home anymore.  <sigh>

I have one child, a son. We haven't been close. The time we
spent together were wonderful but his mother and I divorced
when he was very young. I moved to be near him and my
grandchildren. I can't imagine what it would be like, I really
can't imagine what it would be like if he were gone. I wish that
I could say that I know how you feel but I don't want to know.
Your post was appreciative of him. He sounds like a really
good person. It would have nice to have known him. I hope
that you are going to be all right.
JP Hobbs - 07 Feb 2004 04:38 GMT
Know how you feel Cheryl, I lost my son three days before my
birthday, he was only nineteen, a lovely person, loved animals
but his passion was horses, he had been an apprentice jockey for a few years
but was buying land as he wanted to become a trainer, thatwas 30 yrs
ago this month, but it like it was yesterday hugs   Jean

> > Thank you. Now I know how a real feral
> > cat is. People like me think people like you
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> time.  It is just about her 1st birthday now.  I've given her a
> birthday of Jan 25th.  The day my son died last year.
Charles - 20 Jan 2004 23:00 GMT
We found our feral at about 2 months old.  We fed her and visited her daily.
We would call out 'kitty' and she would cautiously come out from under the
shed to greet us.  After 3 weeks, she allowed us to pick her up.  We let her
in the house on occasion but always left the patio door open so she could
leave when she wanted to.  One night after she went back outside, we closed
up for the night but she literally climbed our patio screen trying to get
in.  We knew it was now time to adopt her.  We purchased all the necessary
goodies the next day, let her in the house and she has stayed in ever since.
She has battled tapeworms and roundworms, but is otherwise healthy.  Except
for the lump she received 3 weeks ago from her Nov 14th rabies vaccine
(please, I sure hope this isn't vaccine induced sarcoma!!!).  She has been
an absolute joy to be around ever since.  We did not declaw and she has the
run of the house.  Uses the scratching posts most of the time and has never
missed the litter box.  Granted, this kitten was younger than yours, but I
would bet it is possible.

> We've been trying since last spring to get a feral kitty who's been
> hanging around, to come in the house, so we could try to adopt it, as we
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Minnie, Daisy, Sandy, Eddie, Lily, Brandy, Cassie, Martha, Rusty and
> hopefully Cubby.
 
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