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Cat Forum / General Topics / July 2005Which human foods can cats eat?
Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a while, without harming their health. A casual glance at our fridge shows: cooked shrimp, baked chicken, ham, bacon, sausage, canned tuna, salmon. Oh, and I just scambled some eggs for myself. All of this is non-vegetable. Can cats eat it safely? BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) > Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) If I buy cold cuts to make sandwiches for lunch, I MUST share with the cats. They'll freak out & explode if I don't. I usually buy turkey and ham. They love both, but I think they prefer the ham. I give them each two little pieces, maybe 1" x 1" of whatever I'm having. They also like chicken and tuna. I have tuna maybe 1-3 times a year, so they only get a little flake each when I do have it. I don't think I've ever offered them shrimp, bacon or sausage. I'd rather save it all for myself! They have no interest in eggs. Otto loves those nasty strips of pork (?) that come in wonton soup from Chinese take-out places. He also likes crackers, especially cheesy ones. Mostly they prefer anything meaty. Stinky, one of the cats at work, will often share my sandwich (turkey/ham/chicken) but likes very little other human food. Harriet will not eat any kind of sandwich meat and will only try tuna once in awhile. Harriet does LOVE human junk food, though. Potato chips, pretzels, Goldfish crackers, tortilla chips. If it's crunchy & salty, she wants it. She's also eaten french fries and donuts, and it drives me crazy when the staff gives her that stuff. Harriet loves her dry food and isn't crazy about canned food, and it seems to carry over in her tastes for human food. Many cats will eat vegetables. I don't think it will harm them. My sister's cat went crazy for kale. -- Liz > Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) It's the eye of newt and tongue of bat if it's smelling bad I'd say its that. As a treat I will pour the tuna water from the can over Lilo's dry food....she'll eat chicken, hamburger, turkey, loves bologna...will not eat ice cream, but loves whipped cream in the aerosole(sp) cans. Only little bits, occasionally...not good to give them too much. > Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) > Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > while, without harming their health. Its not "human" that matters. Its natural and non-processed. Look at your cat food's ingredients. They make it so it won't spoil in non-refrigerated conditions. Do you know of any food besides perhaps nuts and sees that stays pristine in non-refrigerated conditions for very long? Also - no animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a forest? Its a natural thing for animals to be fast and lean to catch their foods. So fat animals will naturally lose their excess weight in the wilds. Its absurd for domestic animals to be heavy. Of course its absurd for people to be heavy...but that's another story on modern society's rapidly declining health. > A casual glance at our fridge shows: cooked shrimp, baked chicken, ham, > bacon, sausage, canned tuna, salmon. Oh, and I just scambled some eggs > for myself. Ham, bacon, sausage - the worst meats one could possible ingest. Filled enough with enough preservatives to kill ya - slowly! > All of this is non-vegetable. Can cats eat it safely? > > BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) Not enough preservatives maybe? :) Real food for cats? Raw, fresh fish and meat. And whatever small amounts of greens/vegetables they might supplement that with. Liver is very cheap. I'm no cat expert; just trying to use some logic. >> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > of greens/vegetables they might supplement that with. Liver is very > cheap. I'm no cat expert; just trying to use some logic. Rick, I read a lot of PC drivel in your post. Or perhaps the only place you know to buy meats is processed and/or in a can. Ever had bacon, sausage, or ham fresh from a butcher? Quite different stuff. None of those preservatives and sodiums you're so opposed to. Raw chicken eggs are no better for cats than for people. > >> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > preservatives and sodiums you're so opposed to. Raw chicken eggs are no > better for cats than for people. Don't understand "PC" in your reply. ?? If its pork, why not give raw pork? Likewise anything else. Why mess with nature? Butchers of course are the best source and free range fed on organic grains and stuff is even better. >>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > with nature? Butchers of course are the best source and free range fed on > organic grains and stuff is even better. PC: Politically Correct. Grains (corn, millet, wheat, barley, etc) found in all commercial dry foods are also implicated in obesity. Cats are carnivores. They have no molar-like grinding teeth, they cannot move their jaw sideways (as one does in grinding foods), and their intestines are comparatively short. > >>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > move their jaw sideways (as one does in grinding foods), and their > intestines are comparatively short. I'm talking about the food of the cow, not the cat! If you want to give your cat the best food it should be fresh, raw meat or fish. That meat should be from cows that are fed organically grown grains. (In an ideal world of course.) For most people that would escalate their pet feeding bills to astronomical amounts. You do what you can..... >>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >>>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > world of course.) For most people that would escalate their pet feeding > bills to astronomical amounts. You do what you can..... Not necessarily. Suppose you are feeding a kitten? How much beef or chicken does it take to extract the same amount of Taurine as a one would get from a field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"... what a load. Your agenda is poking through again. > field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"... what a load. And the cows should graze on organic grass only! > > field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"... what a load. > > And the cows should graze on organic grass only! Did I say "only"? I said in an ideal world a cow would feed on organic foods. I have no idea what the diet of a cow encompasses - but I know that there are no growth hormones and steroids in a natural environment. >> > field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"... what a load. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but I know that there are no growth hormones and steroids in > a natural environment. You do not know how much of what you know is accurate. > >>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"... what a load. Your agenda > is poking through again. No animal in the wild eats cooked food. LEARN by example. Young'ens don't worry about Taurine because their body (not ruined by depleted, processed "cat" food) TELLS them what to eat. Or the parents by instinct control their diet. Something not one in a hundred people know about because they are so busy stuffing their bloated bodies with foods that make them feel good, instead of foods their body tells them to eat when truly hungry. People's awful feeding habits gets passed on to their pets. Philip wrote: >> Not necessarily. Suppose you are feeding a kitten? How much beef or >> chicken does it take to extract the same amount of Taurine as a one >> would get from a field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"... >> what a load. Your agenda is poking through again. > > No animal in the wild eats cooked food. LEARN by example. Rubbish. We had BEARS paw through our camp trash and ate EVERYTHING in sight, including cooked beef and pork trimmings. At this very moment, I have a feral cat who visits our back porch every night ... and eats ANYTHING we put out (cooked meat scraps no less). Bobcats will eat cooked meat too. Ask me how I know. > Young'ens don't worry about Taurine because their body (not ruined by > depleted, > processed "cat" food) TELLS them what to eat. Rubbish. Go counsel with a veterinarian about feeding adult food to a kitten and to cats less that 12 months of age. Ask what usually happens to these cats having experienced a prolonged Taurine deficiency. Good grief, Ricky. > Or the parents by > instinct control their diet. Something not one in a > hundred people know about because they are so busy stuffing their > bloated bodies with foods that make them feel good, instead of foods > their body tells them to eat when truly hungry. People's awful feeding > habits gets passed on to their pets. Count yourself amoung the ignorant spouting junk. Look how you close your post ... more vegetarianism misapplied. > >> Not necessarily. Suppose you are feeding a kitten? How much beef or > >> chicken does it take to extract the same amount of Taurine as a one [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > we put out (cooked meat scraps no less). Bobcats will eat cooked meat too. > Ask me how I know. I mean that no animal in the wild cooks their food. Most animals will eat junk food - it satisfies their taste buds quickly. Take man out of the equation and then "No animal in the wild eats cooked food" makes more sense. I should have been more clear. > > Young'ens don't worry about Taurine because their body (not ruined by > > depleted, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > these cats having experienced a prolonged Taurine deficiency. Good grief, > Ricky. Once again I was talking about animals in the wild. Not domesticated animals. I just think we should learn from our natural examples. > > Or the parents by > > instinct control their diet. Something not one in a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Count yourself amoung the ignorant spouting junk. Look how you close your > post ... more vegetarianism misapplied. Phillip, there was nothing pro vegan in the above paragraph. "Healthy" doesn't necessarily mean vegan. Lots of vegans eat way too much fat and salt and sugar. Many meat eaters eat high quality meat, not fried and in small portions. >> >> Not necessarily. Suppose you are feeding a kitten? How much beef or >> >> chicken does it take to extract the same amount of Taurine as a one [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I mean that no animal in the wild cooks their food. snipped the rest of your back pedaling. Sorry little lady. You said what you meant and even your clarification now changes nothing. BEARS in Yosemite National park and in Yellowstone National park are wild bears. HELLO in there! Bobcats are WILD around here where we live. So are the coyotes WILD around here. The feral cat we've been feeding has no known owner either. That he still has his "package" should tell you that nobody owns him too. All have eaten cooked meat scraps that we failed to dispose of securely. > Count yourself amoung the ignorant spouting junk. Look how you close your > post ... more vegetarianism misapplied. I bet the back of you neck looks like a pack of hotdogs. >> Count yourself amoung the ignorant spouting junk. Look how you close >> your >> post ... more vegetarianism misapplied. > > I bet the back of you neck looks like a pack of hotdogs. Must be an MTV generation joke. snip > Young'ens > don't worry about Taurine because their body (not ruined by depleted, > processed "cat" food) TELLS them what to eat. Rubbish. When taurine deficient food is all that is available, kittens will still eat .... usually. For your information regarding taurine: http://maxshouse.com/Tuna_and_Cats_Nutritional_Facts.htm 1. Taurine deficiency in the cat results in Feline Central Retinal Degeneration (FCRD). When taurine is deficient, the photoreceptor cell membranes become disrupted and dysfunctional, which eventually leads to cellular death and the loss of cells. Complete blindness ensues with full degeneration of the retina and attenuation of retinal vessels. Structural changes within the retina are permanent. 2. Taurine deficiency in the cat also results in the development of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). This degenerative disease causes decreased myocardial contractility, which eventually leads to cardiac failure. 3. Taurine deficiency adversely affects the cat's immune response against infectious organisms (viruses, bacteria, parasites) and malignant and metastatic disease. >> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >conditions. Do you know of any food besides perhaps nuts and sees that >stays pristine in non-refrigerated conditions for very long? If it's canned, plenty of foods. > Also - no >animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Ham, bacon, sausage - the worst meats one could possible ingest. Yeah, but they're still good food. > Filled >enough with enough preservatives to kill ya - slowly! We're all gonna die someday and I should probably worry more about the cigarette I'm smoking than the bacon I had on my sandwich at lunch today and the day before that. One thing I am not though is overweight. >> All of this is non-vegetable. Can cats eat it safely? >> >> BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) > >Not enough preservatives maybe? :) "I don't care if there's chemicals in it as long as my lettuce is crisp. Preservatives might be preserving you all I think that's something you might have missed." - Grace Slick (Eat Starch, Mom!) >Real food for cats? Raw, fresh fish and meat. And whatever small amounts >of greens/vegetables they might supplement that with. Liver is very cheap. Unless you're talking about a transplant >I'm no cat expert; just trying to use some logic. > >> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If it's canned, plenty of foods. Canned foods are crap. Why not buy meat/fish fresh? Too busy to feed your pet natural food? > > Also - no > >animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yeah, but they're still good food. Only good for heart surgeons. > > Filled enough with enough preservatives to kill ya - slowly! > > We're all gonna die someday and I should probably worry more about the > cigarette I'm smoking than the bacon I had on my sandwich at lunch > today and the day before that. Well I was talking to people that care about how long and the quality of their life. > One thing I am not though is overweight. Mainy slim people die way before their time of heart problems and cancers. I wan't trying to insult people - just trying to open some eyes. Often others in our lives (even animals) can direct us to better ways of living. >>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Canned foods are crap. Why not buy meat/fish fresh? Too busy to feed > your pet natural food? There are numerous nutrients (taurine in particular) that is woefully deficient in muscle and organ tissue. http://www.hdw-inc.com/healthtaurine.htm "In the wild, rodents formed a large part of the feline diet, and the rodents had significant levels of taurine in their brains. When we began to domesticate cats and feed them commercial cat foods instead of their wild diets, taurine deficiency started appearing. This was of great concern, especially in the 1970's, when it was proven that many commercial cat foods on the market at that time contained an inadequate amount of taurine. Cats are different from other animals in that they cannot make enough taurine internally to meet their needs, and they must have enough taurine supplied to them in their food. Since these studies came out, most major pet food companies revised their pet food formulas to include taurine. Interestingly enough, not all taurine is equal, and some commercial foods need to have even more taurine added to their formulas to allow for proper feline absorption and utilization of the taurine in their foods. " > Mainy slim people die way before their time of heart problems and cancers. > > I wan't trying to insult people - just trying to open some eyes. Often > others in our lives (even animals) can direct us to better ways of living. You are MISAPPLYING nutritional needs. You have a vegetarian agenda, that is clear. > >>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > Many slim people die way before their time of heart problems and cancers. > > I wan't trying to insult people - just trying to open some eyes. Often > > others in our lives (even animals) can direct us to better ways of living. > > You are MISAPPLYING nutritional needs. You have a vegetarian agenda, that is > clear. I never once said to feed a cat any vegetarian food or steer clear of meat products. Of course I'm a raw foodist vegan - but a carnivorous animal needs the freshest carnivorous food. I'm saying keep it fresh and natural. No processed foods, no fillers. (No stoves in the wilds!) > > >>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > > >>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > needs the freshest carnivorous food. I'm saying keep it fresh and natural. > No processed foods, no fillers. (No stoves in the wilds!) No stoves in the wild? Ever heard of fire? > > > >>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > > > >>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > No stoves in the wild? > Ever heard of fire? Since when do animals cook with fire? >Since when do animals cook with fire? I thought for sure there was a Larson example out there somewhere, but this is the best I could come up with. http://www.embellishments.us/images/childrens/campfire%20bears.jpg L. >>Since when do animals cook with fire? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > L. I think you're thinking of the "deer hunters" one. pat > > > > >>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once > in a [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Since when do animals cook with fire? I do! Didn't anyone tell you? I'm not human. I'm one of the last of the Reptilian Rocketeers I have a spaceship and stuff I like my cabbage pit cooked, with hickory. Ok ok, so I'm the exception >>>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >>>>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > No stoves in the wild? > Ever heard of fire? Hey ... in the heat of a summer desert, you can cook on an egg on a rock! Road Kill left on the pavement for a couple of hours is "cooked." LOL > >>>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>>>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Hey ... in the heat of a summer desert, you can cook on an egg on a rock! > Road Kill left on the pavement for a couple of hours is "cooked." LOL It's nature's way of providing buzzards with a good hot meal >>>>>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once >>>>>>>>> in a while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > It's nature's way of providing buzzards with a good hot meal Solarized. >>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >>>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > needs the freshest carnivorous food. I'm saying keep it fresh and > natural. No processed foods, no fillers. (No stoves in the wilds!) YOU have a vegetarian agenda regardless of what you have said. Emphasis on grains was a big tip off. It is junk medicine to project your agenda on a true, dedicated carnivore. Again, I invite you to study the mouth of any cat and then compare that to a cow or sheep. > >>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > true, dedicated carnivore. Again, I invite you to study the mouth of any cat > and then compare that to a cow or sheep. Cat spit is fatal to birds > Cat spit is fatal to birds cite? pat > > Cat spit is fatal to birds > > cite? > > pat Whew! I'm glad this one panned out for me. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-42,G GLD:en&q=cat+saliva+fatal+to+birds >>>Cat spit is fatal to birds >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-42,G GLD:en&q=cat+saliva+fatal+to+birds heh, I always thought the little furry pests were related to snakes. pat > >>>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > true, dedicated carnivore. Again, I invite you to study the mouth of any cat > and then compare that to a cow or sheep. YOU can't read. I am not promoting vegetarian food for a carnivore. I'm saying that a cat should eat FRESH carnivorous food. Hope that gets through your thick skull. Learn to read before posting. >> Philip wrote: >> YOU have a vegetarian agenda regardless of what you have said. Emphasis [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'm saying that a cat should eat FRESH carnivorous food. Hope that > gets through your thick skull. Learn to read before posting. YOU fail to realize how transparent your spouting. While we're at it, what the heck is "Carnivorous Food"? When I rip open a can of Science Diet and serve, is that "food" capable of killing its prey? Oh wait .... carnivorous food is a live mouse. Has to be. LOL. Ricky ... you've memorized a bunch of buzz words without thinking about how silly some of those phrases sound. So ... Hahhahahhaha haha a hehehee >>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >There are numerous nutrients (taurine in particular) that is woefully >deficient in muscle and organ tissue. I regularly eat food that comes in cans - why should I treat my cat any better than I reat myself?? >http://www.hdw-inc.com/healthtaurine.htm > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >You are MISAPPLYING nutritional needs. You have a vegetarian agenda, that is >clear. >> There are numerous nutrients (taurine in particular) that is woefully >> deficient in muscle and organ tissue. > > I regularly eat food that comes in cans - why should I treat my cat > any better than I reat myself?? Define "better." Do review the following. >> http://www.hdw-inc.com/healthtaurine.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> formulas to allow for proper feline absorption and utilization of the >> taurine in their foods. " > >>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>>>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I regularly eat food that comes in cans - why should I treat my cat > any better than I reat myself?? Hey - just because you are that stupid doesn't mean you have to soboutage your cat's health too. But as I pointed out in a previous post, a pet's owner usually passes on their bad health habits on to their helpless pets. >> >>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in >> >>>>> a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > your cat's health too. But as I pointed out in a previous post, a pet's > owner usually passes on their bad health habits on to their helpless pets. REally. I would enjoy reading the independent Internet source for your assertion. > >> >>>>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in > >> >>>>> a [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > REally. I would enjoy reading the independent Internet source for your > assertion. You said assertion hahaha >> >> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >> >> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Canned foods are crap. Why not buy meat/fish fresh? Too busy to feed your >pet natural food? You might want to ask about my own diet before you criticize what I feed my cat. Canned tuna is one of my favorites, and from what I've heard there is less chemical waste in canned tuna than thre iss in farmed tuna. >> > Also - no >> >animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Only good for heart surgeons. Nha - bacon is just abot the best food imaginable! What do you eat? leaves from tomato plants or something? >> > Filled enough with enough preservatives to kill ya - slowly! >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Well I was talking to people that care about how long and the quality of >their life. You don't think I care about the quality of my life? I smoke and I love it! Odds are I'll live longer than you - if genetics have anything to do with it. 3 out of 4 of my grandparents smoke and they lived way too long - into their late 80s. The one who didn't smoke is still alive, buit she has serious issues regarding her quality of life. It's sad that anyone should have to suffer that way and I ask you if you think she is better off for not smoking! Quality of life indeed - WTF do you know about that? have you lived? I mean really lived??!?!?!!?!? >> One thing I am not though is overweight. > >Mainy slim people die way before their time of heart problems and cancers. que sera, sera (flame me if I forgot an accent mark or misspelled it - you should be able to grasp the sentiment) >I wan't trying to insult people - just trying to open some eyes. Open your own eyes first >Often >others in our lives (even animals) can direct us to better ways of living. >stays pristine in non-refrigerated conditions for very long? Also - no >animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a >forest? I wonder how many mice in the wild are exposed to E-coli. Sorry, but people here died from E-coli. And I wasn't impressed with the inspection system. They showed it on tv, and the inspectors touched each piece of meat and didn't sanitize in between. So, if they touched one bad one, they passed it along to all the rest. And there was no lab testing. So, no, I do NOT give raw meat to my cats. I haven't seen anything that shows they are immune to all the crap we must cook to kill. The food we buy at the store is not the same stuff you find in the wild. If you are going to feed a raw diet, you need to find a supplier who actually tests the meat and guarantees that it safe. I wouldn't feed raw meat from the grocery store.  Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >stays pristine in non-refrigerated conditions for very long? Also - no > >animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > actually tests the meat and guarantees that it safe. I wouldn't feed > raw meat from the grocery store. Excellent points. Know your sources. > >stays pristine in non-refrigerated conditions for very long? Also - no > >animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > actually tests the meat and guarantees that it safe. I wouldn't feed > raw meat from the grocery store. I've been feeding a raw diet for 5 years now, and never have my cats gotten sick from it. In fact, they are thriving on it. I am also on a list where we have almost 1,000 members and I don't recall one instance of a cat becoming sick from raw meat. Lauren See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > > >stays pristine in non-refrigerated conditions for very long? Also - no > > >animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > of a cat becoming sick from raw meat. > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe I read the same thing from raw foodists over and over. The benefits so far outweigh the disadvantages (food poisoning or simliar) that its a no brainer. Also the raw food undoubtedly boots the immune system of the animal as well to better withstand sloppy food handling and other manmade introduced food problems. >>I've been feeding a raw diet for 5 years now, and never have my cats >>gotten sick from it. In fact, they are thriving on it. I am also on a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of the animal as well to better withstand sloppy food handling and > other manmade introduced food problems. undoubtedly raw meat is the best for a carnivore (duh), but given modern production methods, do you worry about worms ? (since the food sold is supposed to be cooked) pat >>>> stays pristine in non-refrigerated conditions for very long? Also - no >>>> animals should ever eat cooked foods. Have you ever seen a stove in a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > of the animal as well to better withstand sloppy food handling and > other manmade introduced food problems. More junk medicine. Please define "boosts the immune system" and a medical research source for your assertion. In the meantime, from George Carlin's "You are all Diseased" "My immune system is equipped with the biological equivalent of fully automatic military assault rifles, with night vision and laser scopes. And, we have recently acquired phosphorus grenades, cluster bombs, and anti personnel fragmentation mines. So, when my white blood cells are on patrol, reeking law and order in my bloodstream, seeking out strangers and other undesirables, if they see any, ANY suspicious looking germs, of any kind, they don't f.ck around! They whip out the weapons, they wax the muther f.cker, and deposit the unlucky fellow directly into my colon! There's no nonsense! There's no Miranda warning, there's none of that three strikes your out sh.t. first offense, BAM. into the colon ya go! " snip >> If you are going to feed a raw diet, you need to find a supplier who >> actually tests the meat and guarantees that it safe. I wouldn't feed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Please list the "raw meats" you feed your cats. >snip >>> If you are going to feed a raw diet, you need to find a supplier who [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Please list the "raw meats" you feed your cats. I believe they add taurine and other cat-important nutrients to the raw meat diets, it's not just meat. >> snip >>>> If you are going to feed a raw diet, you need to find a supplier who [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I believe they add taurine and other cat-important nutrients to the raw > meat diets, it's not just meat. Who is "they?" According to Ricky, raw and natural food is just that and only that. So with raw/natural you would need to fortify the food with a Felovite II type product, especially in the case of kittens. >>> snip >>>>> If you are going to feed a raw diet, you need to find a supplier who [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >with raw/natural you would need to fortify the food with a Felovite II type >product, especially in the case of kittens. The people that follow a BARF diet,such as the folks on Paws' email list. That's the part "Ricky" is missing. >>>> snip >>>>>> If you are going to feed a raw diet, you need to find a supplier who [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > The people that follow a BARF diet,such as the folks on Paws' email > list. That's the part "Ricky" is missing. BARF? Paws'? I'm out of *that* loop. >>>>> snip >>>>>>> If you are going to feed a raw diet, you need to find a supplier who [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >BARF? Paws'? I'm out of *that* loop. Bones and Raw Food, PawsforThought. EQ> > I believe they add taurine and other cat-important nutrients to the raw > > meat diets, it's not just meat. I hope I'm quoting the right person. For some reason, EQ, your posts don't show up for me. I'm using Google so there's no killfile. Weird. Anyway, yes, the raw diet is not just meat. It's basically made up of muscle meat, offal, squash and veggies (about 10% of the diet), with supplements. I feed a rotating diet, meaning they get a different base meat every few days. Here's a website this is a good one for answering basic questions on feeding raw: http://www.holisticat.com/rawdiet.html#germies >EQ> > I believe they add taurine and other cat-important nutrients to >the raw [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://www.holisticat.com/rawdiet.html#germies Do you buy regular grocery meats though? The only raw diets I have seen have been specifically puchased as a cat food, and is labeled for that. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > Do you buy regular grocery meats though? The only raw diets I have > seen have been specifically puchased as a cat food, and is labeled for > that. Yes, I make my own catfood bought from a grocery store, rather than buying a pre-packaged raw diet. I use a natural foods market because someone in the family works there and we can get a discount. I always freeze the meat when I first buy it. Here's a couple more articles that addresses concerns about feeding cats raw meat diet: http://www.catfood.catnutrition.org/FAQ.htm#Safety http://www.rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html Lauren See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws@anonymous.to> wrote : > Lauren > > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe I had not looked at these for a while. I love the "spider patrol" ones! Do you just have the two cats now, Lauren? Amos, by the way, looks just like the cat I want but have never had--one with Siamese markings. Sorry you had to lose him. How old did he get to be? > "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws@anonymous.to> wrote : > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I had not looked at these for a while. I love the "spider patrol" ones! > Do you just have the two cats now, Lauren? Thanks for looking at their pics, Mary. Yep, Mickey and Meesha (the twins :) > Amos, by the way, looks just like the cat I want but have > never had--one with Siamese markings. Sorry you had to > lose him. How old did he get to be? Amos was actually a girl :) I got her when I was 4 years old. She was my first cat. She was 15 when she died from CRF. She was what I guess is called a "traditional" or "applehead" Siamese. Back then there was only one kind of Siamese. Lauren See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > > Do you buy regular grocery meats though? The only raw diets I have > > seen have been specifically puchased as a cat food, and is labeled for [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe That's really something! > Yes, I make my own catfood bought from a grocery store, rather than > buying a pre-packaged raw diet. I use a natural foods market because [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lauren Lauren: The second link which describes a dedicated (obligated) carnivore's mouth, teeth, and digestive tract compared to omnivores should be a must read for any VEGETARIAN nutcase who bent on imposing their personal beliefs on their cat or dog. I learned these distinctions 60 yrs ago and yet some people ... ARGH. > http://www.rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html This website is not supported by science or facts. Dogs ARE omnivores, NOT carnivores. That's just one example. If that website can't even get a basic tenet of nutrition right, then that throws the rest of the info into serious doubt. I have fed my cat cooked chicken, tuna, shrimp, scrambled eggs, ice cream (vanilla, not chocolate; chocolate is not good for animals), yogurt, all in limited quantities. You would not want to make feeding your cat human food a habit. But a little bit of people food isn't harmful. S. > Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) >Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >while, without harming their health. >A casual glance at our fridge shows: cooked shrimp, baked chicken, ham, >bacon, sausage, canned tuna, salmon. Oh, and I just scambled some eggs >for myself. >All of this is non-vegetable. Can cats eat it safely? >BTW, what makes canned cat food stink so badly? :-) In moderation (no more than perhaps 1/2% of their diet), you can't go wrong letting kitty eat what s(he) fancies as long as the treat isn't toxic. My kitty will go raving nuts for fresh grilled fish or turn his nose up at it prefering some sliced ham. I used to be in the habbit of giving kitty evaporated milk all the time but have fallen out of that habbit. It would give them the runs and short-circuit their brain's pleasure center; kitty crack. I've known cats who like ice cream (never chocolate!), even one who loved cantalope. Sometimes kitty will only want a treat if it is tossed across the room so kitty can hunt it and kill it. Another cat who would get excited at getting a treat, but with her flat persian face couldn't coordinate where the end of her face was and would just sit there snapping her tongue without ever eating. It's really up to the cat. The key is moderation. Giving kitty treats on a daily basis is too much. Once or twice a week seems to be best. > >Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The key is moderation. Giving kitty treats on a daily basis is too much. Once > or twice a week seems to be best. The key not moderation. The key is discipline and realizing that having a little bit of something makes us crave more. Animals are very much like people. Once they have tasted the quick satisfaction of junk food (all any cooked food is junk for an animal - I'm not saying its not nutritious - just that its simply not as good as its raw version) they will not be as discerning about food in the future. If you never eat salted food, you will never crave salted foods. Same with fried food, sweetened foods, etc. Same with smoking, coffee, alcohol, etc. Many animals will gobble up junk food - as foolish as their feeders who are consuming the same trash. Always look at what they would eat in the wilds. THAT type is the food you should give them. Your pet trusts you to feed them properly. They are helpless in your care. Do you think animals have cancers in the wilds? That is a manmade disease from eating manmade processed foods. Your pet deserves the best. They give you their all. >The key not moderation. The key is discipline and realizing that having a >little bit of something makes us crave more. Animals are very much like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >them. Your pet trusts you to feed them properly. They are helpless in your >care. Do you think animals have cancers in the wilds? Yes, and I think it would be more prevalent if animals lived longer as they often do in captivity. Animals in the wild often have a pretty rough life. They can't go to a doctor if they are injured or sick and contrary to what some people may say (at least about some animals), they all don't know just what plant to eat to make them feel better even if such a plant did exist. > That is a manmade >disease from eating manmade processed foods. Your pet deserves the best. >They give you their all. I think cats are typically slackers - do they come when you call them? Mine only does if she's in the right mood. > >The key not moderation. The key is discipline and realizing that having a > >little bit of something makes us crave more. Animals are very much like [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > they often do in captivity. Animals in the wild often have a pretty > rough life. They are far healthier, albeit living a more dangerous life with predators and such. > They can't go to a doctor if they are injured or sick and > contrary to what some people may say (at least about some animals), > they all don't know just what plant to eat to make them feel better > even if such a plant did exist. Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and think all is well. > > That is a manmade > >disease from eating manmade processed foods. Your pet deserves the best. > >They give you their all. > > I think cats are typically slackers - do they come when you call them? > Mine only does if she's in the right mood. Slackers....that's a perfect description. I bet there were many smiles upon the faces of people reading that today! > Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune > system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and > think all is well. Where do you get this stuff? Do you make it up? > > Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune > > system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and > > think all is well. > > Where do you get this stuff? Do you make it up? Its common knowledge. If an animal is sick, as in not injured they don't eat until better. Fasting on water is nature's quickest road to recovery. Only bird's don't fast - probably because if they did they would lose the necessary energy to fly and be to vulnerable. We can learn a lot from those beasts! >>> Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune >>> system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >necessary energy to fly and be to vulnerable. We can learn a lot from those >beasts! Can you point to even 1 respected reference this "common" knowledge? > >>> Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune > >>> system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Can you point to even 1 respected reference this "common" knowledge? Do you get hungry or have a lack of hunger when you get sick? That's your fasting instinct kicking in. Animals do the same. I don't have references for that but its obvious. How do you feel when you eat a big meal when you have a cold? Terrible? I don't have references for that. www.fasting.org and hundreds of similiar websites talk about it. I hate to say "google it" but...;) >>> Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their > immune [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > necessary energy to fly and be to vulnerable. We can learn a lot from > those beasts! Common knowledge amoungst what group? Is this group serving time? I smell more Green, Earth First stuff. Methinks you have a bit to un-learn. >> Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune >> system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs >> and think all is well. > > Where do you get this stuff? Do you make it up? I was JUST ABOUT to post the same thing. Ricky .... give it up. >> Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune >> system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and >> think all is well. > >Where do you get this stuff? Do you make it up? probably >> >The key not moderation. The key is discipline and realizing that having >a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >They are far healthier, albeit living a more dangerous life with predators >and such. Does that really matter when they could be killed tomorrow by something a little higher up the food chain? >> They can't go to a doctor if they are injured or sick and >> contrary to what some people may say (at least about some animals), [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and >think all is well. I know drugs help me - if you'd rather suffer, that is your choice. >> > That is a manmade >> >disease from eating manmade processed foods. Your pet deserves the best. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Slackers....that's a perfect description. I bet there were many smiles upon >the faces of people reading that today! > >> >The key not moderation. The key is discipline and realizing that having > >a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Does that really matter when they could be killed tomorrow by > something a little higher up the food chain? Well now, here's the problem. Some people here don't comprehend the difference between quality and quantity. If you're not healthy (fit and healthy) its hard to comprehend the exilaration of an animal in its activities. We all had it in our youth, but junk food and sedentary activities gradually stripped it away. I went to a dog convention of sorts a while back. I have never seen a worse looking sorry group of physical misfits in my life. I realized that these people who have so neglected their own health now look to their pet - who won't judge them. Instead of doing something about it - they look to areas of socialization that won't put any pressure on them to change. I guess that's really it. Its just so hard to change something you are comfortable with. > >> They can't go to a doctor if they are injured or sick and > >> contrary to what some people may say (at least about some animals), [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I know drugs help me - if you'd rather suffer, that is your choice. That's not even worth commenting on. <snippage> >If you never eat salted food, you > will > > >never crave salted foods. Same with fried food, sweetened foods, etc. > Same > > >with smoking, coffee, alcohol, etc. This has some truth. <snippage> > >Your pet trusts you to feed them properly. They are helpless in > your > > >care. Do you think animals have cancers in the wilds? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > They are far healthier, albeit living a more dangerous life with predators > and such. Yes, much healthier carrying that load of parasites around, and those chronic viral infections like FIV, FeLV, etc (spread by the natural behaviours of mating and fighting). > > They can't go to a doctor if they are injured or sick and > > contrary to what some people may say (at least about some animals), [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and > think all is well. ????!!!!As an MD and former molecular biologist/immunologist I have to say I've never heard such a load of bollocks. Fasting can play a role in recovering from say, enteric infections (by resting the gut rather than affecting the immune system), but other than that it's more often a by-product of feeling like crap from being unwell, febrile, etc. Additionally, if cats fast they can develop the potentially fatal sequel of hepatic lipidosis. If cats had evolved to fast in order to "elevate their immune system" (whatever that means) then they wouldn't be prey to this self-destruct mechanism. Same thing with horses (or any equid) - if they don't eat for a couple of days they can die of laminitis caused by endotoxin release from the dying bacteria in their gut. And anyway, exactly how can depriving yourself of vital nutrients "elevate the immune system"???!! Giving yourself no protein intake at a time when you need more amino acids to make immunoglobulins and other defensive proteins sounds counter-productive to me...Plus the fact that you need energy to generate a fever. I wouldn't have thought that being forced to utilise your own muscle tissue and glycogen reserves when you're being challenged was particularly pro-survival. An animal going off its food when it's unwell is usually just another sign that it is unwell and can even exacerbate the illness. Cat > > Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune > > system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs and > > think all is well. > > ????!!!!As an MD and former molecular biologist/immunologist I have to > say I've never heard such a load of bollocks. Well I've never known a healthy MD - so that means nothing. The last doctor I talked to didn't understand the statement "When I change my diet my allergic reactions change". The ignorance was astounding. What training do they get? When I told him I got rid of 99.9% of my allergies by changing my food intake - we didn't care. That shows someone who could have the cure of cancer presented to him and would ignore it. As our knowledge increases our wisdom seems to fly in the opposite direction. > Fasting can play a role > in recovering from say, enteric infections (by resting the gut rather > than affecting the immune system), but other than that it's more often > a by-product of feeling like crap from being unwell, febrile, etc. If you're never fasted then you know NOTHING about fasting. It as cured more illness than anything else yet because it makes nobody money it isn't recommended. It has been used throughout history in every culture for both physical and mental improvement. There are various types of fasts - on water, juice, teas and even your own urine. Each has its advantages. Read - try - then talk. > Additionally, if cats fast they can develop the potentially fatal > sequel of hepatic lipidosis. If cats had evolved to fast in order to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > gut. And anyway, exactly how can depriving yourself of vital nutrients > "elevate the immune system"???!! Elevate the immune system was a wrong choice of words. That is the eventual result. The first is to not burden the body with the work of digestion - which frees it to focus its energies on the problem at hand. > Giving yourself no protein intake at > a time when you need more amino acids to make immunoglobulins and other > defensive proteins sounds counter-productive to me. More ignorance through lack of experience. The higher your protein intake the more taxing on your digestion system. > Plus the fact that you need energy to generate a fever. You wouldn't get a fever at all if you stopped stuffing your face! I used to get fevers all the time when getting colds and the flu. Now when I feel under the weather I stop eating. In a day or two I'm feeling better. NEVER a fever. Of course this may be a coincidence. Its only been decades. >> Plus the fact that you need energy to generate a fever. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > feeling better. NEVER a fever. Of course this may be a > coincidence. Its only been decades. Bull Crap. One of the body's immune system responses is to elevate body temperature. Taken to it's logical end, if you starve yourself, you will never get a fever because ... you are dead. > >> Plus the fact that you need energy to generate a fever. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > temperature. Taken to it's logical end, if you starve yourself, you will > never get a fever because ... you are dead. Actually Phillip you will never get a fever if you stop eating when you start to feel under the weather. I know. I've never got a fever in decades of stopping my food intake when I feel a bug coming on. Soon it is over. No fever. Ever. >> >> Plus the fact that you need energy to generate a fever. >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > of stopping my food intake when I feel a bug coming on. Soon it is over. > No fever. Ever. Fine if that works for you. Doesn't work for me. >>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > cancers in the wilds? That is a manmade disease from eating manmade > processed foods. Your pet deserves the best. They give you their all. I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not even the Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas? >I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not even the >Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas? Pet store? Sounds like a bloody mess. Turkey/chicken is bird-food minus the features and stomach contents and my cat doesn't care nor does he eat enough of it for it to have the slightest effect on his health. It's an infrequent treat. I always stuff him silly on thanksgiving and perhaps give him a bite once or twice a month. Kitty never begs as I always utter the words "fish!" before a treat and "that's all!" at the end. >> I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not even >> the Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a month. Kitty never begs as I always utter the words "fish!" before a > treat and "that's all!" at the end. Trip to the vet for Omar's first booster vacs. Vet sold me a tube of FeloVite with emphasis on the Taurine component for growing kittens. "Do not feed him table scraps or adult cat foods" were his instructions. I recall a thread here were somebody jokingly suggested going to a pet store and buyin up those little mice one feeds to snakes. The UPROAR here was unreal. > >>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a > >>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not even the > Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas? It sounds quite repulsive, but I wonder if anybody breeds them for their cats? Or rabbits or squirrels for dogs? Wouldn't it be great to have a big aquaruim where the frisky fish do nothing but copulate and propagate? Ah, it only it was so easy. >> >>> Which human foods can cats eat? Not as exclusive diet, but once in a >> >>> while, without harming their health. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >aquaruim where the frisky fish do nothing but copulate and propagate? Ah, >it only it was so easy. I've thought about breeding mice for cat food, but, alas, my cats just kill them, they don't eat them. http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_1.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_3.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_4.jpg > >> I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not even the > >> Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_3.jpg > http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_4.jpg Feline bloodsport! >>>> I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not even >>>> the Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Feline bloodsport! Hey Ricky .... wanna share a mouse? "Bloodsport" is an emotionally charged and deliberately provocative term for a NORMAL feline behavior. But you do the same thing when you toss those salads you live on before eating them. Hahhahhahhaaa Plants have feelings too ... you monster! ;^) > >>>> I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not even > >>>> the Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Hahhahhahhaaa > Plants have feelings too ... you monster! ;^) Hey - I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegatarian because I hate plants. :) >> It sounds quite repulsive, but I wonder if anybody breeds them for their >> cats? Or rabbits or squirrels for dogs? Wouldn't it be great to have a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_3.jpg > http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_4.jpg Maybe if you "cleaned and gutted" them and presented them in a "kitty stew" .... LOL >>> It sounds quite repulsive, but I wonder if anybody breeds them for their >>> cats? Or rabbits or squirrels for dogs? Wouldn't it be great to have a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Maybe if you "cleaned and gutted" them and presented them in a "kitty stew" >.... LOL Blender? >>>> It sounds quite repulsive, but I wonder if anybody breeds them for >>>> their cats? Or rabbits or squirrels for dogs? Wouldn't it be great [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Blender? Ahh! Just the soft parts or would you include the skin and skeleton? >&g |
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