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(PeteCresswell) - 29 May 2005 01:16 GMT
This animal was taken from a feral mother and abused by the boyfriend of the
first owner.

My daughter and her husband, through judicious use of welding gloves and
patience, domesticated it quite a bit.

Last few months, we've had it and I'd say it's 100% domesticated - although the
running gag is that if it were a person, it would be in jail or a mental
institution by now...

It's an edgy little thing, much more sensitive than the neighbor's cat to noise
and usually not happy to be touched.

And herein lies the mystery:  occasionally it's just all over me.  Wants to be
petted, walks around on my desk, just doesn't want to be more than 18 inches
away at any time.   The other 99.9% of the time it runs the other way when I
walk towards it and, on a good day, only bites lightly when I try to touch it.

Finaly, fairly often at night it's friendly - like at 03:00 in the morning I'll
wake up to find it's nose in my face and it offering it's head to be
scratched/petted.   Three hours later, it's business as usual.

Can anybody explain what's going on in this things little mind?
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rpl - 29 May 2005 06:11 GMT
> This animal was taken from a feral mother and abused by the boyfriend of the
> first owner.
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>
> Can anybody explain what's going on in this things little mind?

within the range of normal cat behaviour

but from the sound of the things it might take awhile to get over
previous owners.

Patience

pat
Half Hand - 29 May 2005 15:16 GMT
All this sounds normal and natural to me.

I had a similar cat, wild in the woods, but I started feeding it when it was a few months old, and it eventurally moved in with me.

She never got over her fear of everything (I guess her Momma (a true feral cat from the large woods near me) taught her to run whenever she heard or saw anyting at all.  If this is a female cat, then she will want to rub you when she is in heat (get her fixed, or get some birth control pills for cats from Russia/Europe).

Even if she is not in heat, she would only want me to pet her when she was sleepy, or when I was laying down.  I guess she learned when I would not pick her up (which she didn't like) and that was the time she would come to me for petting and love.

Good luck!

> This animal was taken from a feral mother and abused by the boyfriend of the
> first owner.
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> Can anybody explain what's going on in this things little mind?
Shirley B. - 29 May 2005 17:52 GMT
(continuation re Rexie)   And both Rexie's parents were feral.  Shirl

> This animal was taken from a feral mother and abused by the boyfriend of
> the
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> Can anybody explain what's going on in this things little mind?
Shirley B. - 29 May 2005 17:56 GMT
You've described my Rexie to a 'T'.  Yes, you know they love you cause
they're right at your feet all the time, "but don't pick me up unless it's
my idea. And you can only pet me if you don't corner me." It kind of breaks
my heart, cause I'd like to hold him and pet him all the time, but there's
this wall. The vet says he might get better with age. He's almost 3 yrs now.
I've been his mommy since 4 1/2 weeks! And he comes to me around 3 or 4 in
the morning, lays on me, purring. But it's HIS idea.

You just have to live with it and give him (you didn't say whether male or
female) attention when you can. I won't force Rexie, but if he jumps up to
me (he does occasionally) I just hold him a few moments longer than he wants
me to. This way, he stays a little longer, and it doesn't piss him off!

Good luck,
Shirley B.

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> This animal was taken from a feral mother and abused by the boyfriend of
> the
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>
> Can anybody explain what's going on in this things little mind?
hobbs - 30 May 2005 12:15 GMT
Shirley, I dont look at this group much lately not cause
I dont like it I just can't keep up with all the groups thats all,
also have trouble sometimes with my computerbut I felt
compelled to answer this as as I have a cat just like yours
I got Wilson at 5 weeks and he behaves exactly the same
as Rexie, and I treat him the same as you, he follows me like
a shadow, but my son asked me one day while visiting
if I still had him { he really knew I did of course} because
he said he hadn't seen him for months, Wilson scoots through
to the bedroom and stays under the bed whenever I have a
visitor/s. Peter's cat sounds the same too.Cheers.   Jean.P.

> You've described my Rexie to a 'T'.  Yes, you know they love you cause
> they're right at your feet all the time, "but don't pick me up unless it's
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> > PeteCresswell
Shirley B. - 30 May 2005 17:19 GMT
Jean, hi. I think part of Rexie's problem is that it's just him and me
during the week. My hubby comes home weekends, so M-F it's quiet in the
house. I don't have people over for whatever reason, but I come and go. So
he's not used to people. Like Wilson, Rex w/go to the bedroom if someone
comes over.  He'll poke his nose out to investigate if they're here for a
while, but he's not comfortable. If we have an overnite visitor, then he
calms down. I've noticed that he gets nervous when the doorbell rings, but
he may pick up from me that I don't know who's at the door.

I do notice tho, that when I've taken him to the kennel for a few days (when
we travel) he's much perkier when he comes home, and I guess that's just
from being around other people and cats. He actually enjoys it.  I take him
over there sometimes for a day (it's only $5) just so he can 'socialize'.
Cats are in one room, separate cages. Each cat on rotation, is taken from
their cage for 15 minutes and allowed down on the floor to play or whatever.
She (the owner) tells me that during his 15 min, Rexie goes from cage to
cage and 'talks' to the ther cats! At least he's not shy there!!
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> Shirley, I dont look at this group much lately not cause
> I dont like it I just can't keep up with all the groups thats all,
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Rhonda - 31 May 2005 06:49 GMT
That is too funny! You have a kitty day care.

He must be the only cat in the world that likes to go to a kennel...

Rhonda

> I do notice tho, that when I've taken him to the kennel for a few days (when
> we travel) he's much perkier when he comes home, and I guess that's just
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> She (the owner) tells me that during his 15 min, Rexie goes from cage to
> cage and 'talks' to the ther cats! At least he's not shy there!!
Shirley B. - 31 May 2005 15:34 GMT
Well, I didn't mean he loves to GO.  He loves being there.   But to get him
into the carrier when that means he has to leave the safety of the house and
ride in the nasty big machine (Range Rover - no smooth ride there), is HELL.
I have to start planning the nite before, hiding the carrier in the garage,
etc.!
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> That is too funny! You have a kitty day care.
>
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>> goes from cage to cage and 'talks' to the ther cats! At least he's not
>> shy there!!
Meowzer - 30 May 2005 14:25 GMT
Really there is no mystery here.   Any young mammal, kitten, puppy or child,
relies totally on their caregiver for food, security and affection.   When
the caretaker betrays them, they lose their ability to trust.   Sometimes it
can be recovered.   A puppy's natural pack instinct and strong need to
please the pack leader helps in rehabilitating dogs.  Children can think
through a situation, and, if removed from the abuse and placed in a sound
home, can learn that not everyone is like their abuser.   Cats seem to have
a harder time.  By the time I adopted my cat (at 6 months), she had been
through two homes, and was returned to the animal shelter by the police when
the husband beat the wife so badly she had to be hospitalized.

Tash is a sweet little lady, and a love-sponge at heart, but she always has
to have an escape route.   I began by simply laying my hand next to her, but
about four inches away.   It made her nervous at first, but after a while I
was able to lay my hand next to her, touching her if I kept it still.  After
I while, I'd lay my hand on her, but keep it totally still.   Then I'd lay
it on her, and gently stroke her with just my thumb.   Even now, at 11 years
old, if I try to hold her, she panics.  However she will spend hours nested
next to my leg, purring while I rub her belly.

The trick is to go as slowly as the cat needs you to go.   Never force
affection on them.   The reward you get when the cat trusts you enough to
relax next to you and accept a cheek or belly rub, and when you hear them
purr, is immensely gratifying.

> This animal was taken from a feral mother and abused by the boyfriend of
> the
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>
> Can anybody explain what's going on in this things little mind?
Bernhard Rich - 30 May 2005 17:53 GMT
Pete all that abuse can do things to any mind. Kitty's bouts of
affection are the 'assurance' kitty needs.
Mary - 30 May 2005 19:31 GMT
> This animal was taken from a feral mother and abused by the boyfriend of the
> first owner.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Can anybody explain what's going on in this things little mind?

She is still wondering if you are going to hurt her, maybe. Or
just reverts to "autopilot" at times. I'm glad you'r there and taking
care of her. I'm sure you give her a great deal of gentleness and
patience. My little ex-feral alternates between seeking affection
and running away from us, and she has been here almost 4 years.
Rhonda - 31 May 2005 06:48 GMT
It sounds like this cat was feral for the first few months of it's life.
(Didn't read in your email if you have a boy or girl...)

We found a stray kitten under our house one year, and we fed her for
weeks until she worked up enough trust to let me touch her. She was
probably 6-8 months old when we took her in. She is the same as you've
described -- she LOVES me, thinks I am her cat mother. She is a little
more uncertain about Walter, but lets him pet her once in awhile.

We can only pet her at certain times, usually at night. Night is when
she shows up and sneaks into bed with me. It's a safe time for her. She
purrs up a storm.

During the day, she hides. She will not walk through the center of a
room. We don't see much of her, but accept that she was hard-wired early
 in life to hide from everything, to stay alive.

The thing I appreciate is that affection from her is much sweeter than
from the other cats. It's special. She really means it and is willing to
 be brave and come out from her hidey places to let us know she likes us.

Scritches to your cat,

Rhonda

> It's an edgy little thing, much more sensitive than the neighbor's cat to noise
> and usually not happy to be touched.
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> away at any time.   The other 99.9% of the time it runs the other way when I
> walk towards it and, on a good day, only bites lightly when I try to touch it.
(PeteCresswell) - 01 Jun 2005 02:00 GMT
Per Rhonda:
>It sounds like this cat was feral for the first few months of it's life.
Correct - and abused by the owner's boyfirend for some time after that.

>(Didn't read in your email if you have a boy or girl...)
Female, but I think it's moot: spayed.

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Rhonda - 01 Jun 2005 03:10 GMT
I just felt bad calling her "it".

Rhonda

>>(Didn't read in your email if you have a boy or girl...)
>>
> Female, but I think it's moot: spayed.
 
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