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TheAncientMagician - 14 Jan 2004 20:37 GMT
Here's the story without most of the gory details:  I had to take care of
mother for 3 months each night as she was passing away, and, god bless her,
unfortunately I went completely bankrupt doing it finding that I couldn't
work every night with mother than stay awake and work the rest of the day
trying to make a living.  It was either that or they told me they were going
to throw her away in a nursing home to die which they told me was "her worst
fear".  So I took care of her.  I've never been able to completely recover
financially.  I need help.  I tried selling this estate which my friend left
me at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2366178495 to no avail.
I've now put the price down to 45k locally in case you know of anyone who
wants property in the middle of nowhere.  I've lost my best friend, mother,
and father in the last 3 years, and they all left their best friends, 25
cats and dogs, in my care, and swore me to God to take care of them before
they went to heaven.  I've done my best, but in this area and situation,
it's just not enough.  I've sold just about everything I can muster, I'm 3
months behind on bills for *everything*, waiting for everything to be shut
down soon, and trying to avoid going on welfare and foodstamps, etc, and I
just can't feed the animals on love alone.  If you know of any legitimate
animal lovers or charitable people or a bulletin board where you could paste
this, I've opened up a PayPal account, http://www.paypal.com under the name
and email address of Patrick Shanley maxfury@granderiver.net  .  If anyone
wishes to help us keep from going completely under, they can deposit any
donation of =any= amount directly into my account there with a credit card
etc online.  Or my snailmail address is:  Patrick Shanley, Box 102,
Pearsall, Texas 78061.  Anything at all would help keep the animals alive
and the electricity and water on until I can get back on my feet.  Thank you
for your time and consideration.  God bless you.

Patrick
The Ancient Magician

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NickKnight - 15 Jan 2004 00:15 GMT
>Here's the story without most of the gory details:  I had to take care of
>mother for 3 months each night as she was passing away, and, god bless her,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>me at:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2366178495 to no avail.
The place looks like a dump, no wonder it didn't sell.  

Also you show me an owner who will refinance and i'll show you someone
who should have their head examined.

>Patrick
>The Ancient Magician
So if you are a Magician why can't you just make the money materialize
out of thin air?  
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Sherry - 15 Jan 2004 00:34 GMT
>The place looks like a dump, no wonder it didn't sell.  
>
>Also you show me an owner who will refinance and i'll show you someone
>who should have their head examined.

I didn't read anything in the post about "refinancing." In fact, there was no
mention of an existing mortgage at all. I am confused by your remark.
I think the house has wonderful potential, if the buyer had enough money to
restore it.

Sherry
NickKnight - 15 Jan 2004 01:48 GMT
>I didn't read anything in the post about "refinancing." In fact, there was no
>mention of an existing mortgage at all. I am confused by your remark.
>I think the house has wonderful potential, if the buyer had enough money to
>restore it.
It was in the ebay post.   The operative phrase is "if the buyer had
enough money to restore it."

It looks to me thousands of miles away that the
house would need megabucks to fix it up.  

One of the other things that would concern me is the Commercial
zoning.   A new owner may not be able to get the zoning
variances to live in it.  

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Sherry - 15 Jan 2004 03:57 GMT
>It was in the ebay post.   The operative phrase is "if the buyer had
>enough money to restore it."
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>zoning.   A new owner may not be able to get the zoning
>variances to live in it.  

It does definitely look like a "fixer upper". But I bet it was a beauty "in its
day."

Sherry
TheAncientMagician - 15 Jan 2004 04:18 GMT
> >I didn't read anything in the post about "refinancing." In fact, there was no
> >mention of an existing mortgage at all. I am confused by your remark.
> >I think the house has wonderful potential, if the buyer had enough money to
> >restore it.

> It was in the ebay post.   The operative phrase is "if the buyer had
> enough money to restore it."

There's no mortgage, no liens, I'm the sole owner, etc,  The Ebay ad
explains it rather thoroughly, anyone with questions feel free to email me.

Yes, I agree, if one "had enough $ to restore it" that would be nice, since
it's such a bonafide wooden "pioneer" house built in 1903 with 3 woodburning
fireplaces, 12' tall ceilings, oak floors, waterwell, etc, but that would
take levelling, new roof, etc.

Nice gesture of "preservation" to preserve an old 100 year old American
house on that property, but if a buyer didn't want to restore it, not much I
could do about that as me and the pets are just looking to survive and move
on now that my people are gone after having lived here for so long.

> One of the other things that would concern me is the Commercial
> zoning.   A new owner may not be able to get the zoning
> variances to live in it.

It's a pretty laid back town.  I believe one can now legally live and run a
business from there.  However, if for some reason a buyer chose not to run a
business there, it is my understanding that the zoning would after some time
then revert back to solely Residential.

Regards,

Patrick

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NickKnight - 15 Jan 2004 22:18 GMT
>> One of the other things that would concern me is the Commercial
>> zoning.   A new owner may not be able to get the zoning
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>business there, it is my understanding that the zoning would after some time
>then revert back to solely Residential.
And i've know people who had to either convert the building to
busienss use or tear it down.  Depends on how much the
town wants to throw their weight around.  

Some towns love to throw their weight around.  Also the town may be
laid back now, it may not be after the next election.  
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TheAncientMagician - 16 Jan 2004 06:03 GMT
> And I've know people who had to either convert the building to
> business use or tear it down.  Depends on how much the
> town wants to throw their weight around.

I've head such things as well, however, this is a relatively  very  laid
back town.  The zoning rules don't change much in mid-stream around here.

> Some towns love to throw their weight around.  Also the town may be
> laid back now, it may not be after the next election.

If things change too rapidly here in this little town after elections,
politicians just don't get re-elected next time, and they don't like that as
they like their salaries too much.

On another subject, having been around cats most of my life, and having so
many of them at this time, it's rather mind boggling sometimes to view all
their separate personalities at work, and to be able to deal with such a
spectrum on top of it all, heh.  Some are indoor, some are outdoor cats.  I
have one blind cat I found one night in a thunderstorm.  The strangest
story, I was in the shower one night with all the windows closed, with a
tremendous thunderstorm raging outside, and with soap in my ears, but, lo
and behold, I stopped for a second, somehow thought I heard something
strange, rinsed the soap out of my ears, wrapped a towel around me, got a
flashlight, and immediately strode out into the piercing rain and wind, I
walked and walked in the darkness, searching, then I thought I heard it
again, and way aways from the house, laying in a little pool of rainwater a
couple of inches deep, was a little newborn kitten, drowning.  I picked him
up, brought him into the house, fed him some milk, dried him off, warmed him
up, and went to bed with him against my chest to keep him warm to try to
keep him alive.  He started to drink more milk the next day, so I got my
hopes up that he would live, but I tried day after day etc to get his eyes
to open and I couldn't, so I finally took him to the vet and the vet looked
and looked in his eyes, then turned to me and said "Well, Pat, he doesn't
*have* any eyes".  :/  So, anyways, that was the story of my little blind
cat, which has now been with me for years here, alive and healthy.  How I
heard the tiniest faintest little "mew, mew" from him in a raging
thunderstorm while I was in the house in the shower with soap in my ears, I
will perhaps never come to know.  I'm glad it happened though.

I have another cat which is deaf.  I brought him all the way back to Texas
13 years ago from Los Angeles California.  I answered an ad in a paper where
a lady was giving him away cuz he would just beat up on all the other cats,
lol, and she had so many already, and it just became too much of a problem
for her.  I called her up and told her I would take him, and she insisted on
coming to my apartment in L.A. to visit with me first.  Well, heh, I thought
I was being interviewed for a top security government job or something by
the time she was finished with me.  :)  She was making dang well sure that I
would be a competent donor, or she wouldn't leave Snowball with me.  He's a
gian't long haired beautiful white cat.  She checked all my cabinets, looked
in my refrigerator, checked my bank account, looked in my closets, checked
under my bed, etc etc.  Lol....  I almost felt I had been violated, heh.
But...  I understood.  So anyways, I brought him back here to Texas 13 years
ago, and he wasn't deaf at the time, but must have gone deaf at the time,
but I hadn't noticed.  Perhaps since every cat I ever had in my room, my
mother would eventually come into my room and go "Oh, what a pretty cat",
pick up the cat, take it into her part of the house, and I almost never got
to see them again...... lol.  Anyways, a couple of months after mother went
to heaven, someone here in town came up to me and said "Aren't you the guy
who has the blind and deaf cat..?", after I got home I checked Snowball's
hearing, and he had apparently gone deaf as a dumbell behind my back.  So
anyway he lives here too.  All the indoor cats have now moved into my room
after mother passed on.  It took some of them quite some time to even get
used to her not being here anymore.  For months some of them just would wait
by the front door all day and all night, waiting for her to return.  After a
few months, it finally dawned on them that something was wrong, and that she
just wasn't going to come back, so they all just moved into my room and took
me over.

It's kind of funny, I have to try to find enough room for me to sleep in my
own bed each night now, as at least 3 or 4 of them vie to see who can be
"the closest" to me before we say our prayers and put the light out.

I have another little white cat, there are several cats inside here which
came from a momma cat which I found outside years ago.  I had a dog named
Prince, so very long ago, he got run over by idiots, but one night I went
outside my room here to the back yard, and called Prince, there he was
trotting up to me with something in his mouth.  I looked a little closer,
and he had found the tiniest little red kitten, and had adopted it, and had
been apparently just carrying it around with him in his mouth all day very
gently as to not harm it.  It took some doing to get it out of his mouth as
it was "his", but eventually I succeeded.  Daddy named her Red after his
brother and she has been with me ever since.  Anyway, the little white cat
is one of Red's little boys.  And, I don't know about everyone else and what
kind of budgets they are on, but litter cost money, lol, and so I try to
change the litter as often as possible, but if it is the tiniest bit "too
dirty" for little Whitey cat, he just takes a potty right next to it on the
floor, meows, then runs into my bedroom, snuggles up next to me on the bed,
and insists on being petted while purring, lol.  So, anyways, after all this
time of being on my hands and knees cleaning up potty off the floor right
next to litter boxes that appear to be clean enough for all the other cats,
I've just come to accept that Whitey is the Litter Alarm Cat, and just try
to change it more often now, lol.

Anyways, I'd love to talk about "real estate" as much as you want, but, heh,
I'm just trying to stay alive and keep from having to watch my parents',
friend's, my cats die because I go broke.  Last time I looked they didn't
give out food stamps to buy cat food and litter, lol.  So I'll answer any
real estate questions you got, but I got some questions of my own about
"cats" etc.

For one, if we manage to survive, literally, this disastrous crossroads of
poverty and bankruptcy, The Plan is to sell that Estate which was listed on
Ebay, and move back somewhere near L.A. California (where I can commute to
get a JOB, which I can't get down here), to any little plot of dirt that has
electricity and running water and that will allow 25 cats and dogs where I
can put up an animal proof fence and we can just begin to start all over
again.  We might not have any money, but I still have two strong hands.

If anyone knows of any place like that, keep me in mind.

Another is, if and when we can do it, when we move, I have to figure out how
to catch all the outdoor cats, at 2 houses, and not miss *any* of them in
the process, then get all the cats and dogs in cages or something and then
=how= to move them all the way from Texas to California, if there are any
roadblocks or security checks? along Interstate 10 that will give us any
trouble, and =how= all within the very shortest of time periods so they are
in the cages and on the road for as little time as is possible.

Well, I've been thinking about the Logistics of that, how to do all that,
ever since mother went, and could sure use some help on any of the above,
helping me think it through better or see it more clearly, maybe from
someone who's done it or knows how to do it.

Ok, I'll be quiet now.........      :)

Regards,

Patrick

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Sherry - 16 Jan 2004 06:12 GMT
>Another is, if and when we can do it, when we move, I have to figure out how
>to catch all the outdoor cats, at 2 houses, and not miss *any* of them in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>trouble, and =how= all within the very shortest of time periods so they are
>in the cages and on the road for as little time as is possible.

Security checks? I don't think so...even if there were, it shouldn't affect you
at all. After all, it's perfectly legal (although unusual) to be accompanied by
25 cats. What will you be driving, a van or other vehicle large enough for all
the cages? I have to say I admire your resolve to keep the promises you made
re: the cats. I'm afraid, even as much as I love cats, I'd be trying to find
good homes for some of them...but God bless you and I hope all goes well for
you. It sounds like quite an adventure.
I am reminded of once I agreed to deliver a Siamese and her 7 kittens to a
Siamese rescue org. two hours away. All eight cats yowled the entire trip. I
thought I was going to lose my mind. I've heard of people who sedate cats for
long car trips; it may be something to consider for some of them if you have
any who get particularly anxious in the car. Good luck to you.

Sherry
Patrick - 16 Jan 2004 12:23 GMT
> it's perfectly legal (although unusual) to be accompanied by
> 25 cats.

Well, there's something positive.

> What will you be driving, a van or other vehicle large enough for all
> the cages?

I have no idea yet, probably have to rent something large enough for all the
cages, put everyone in the back, drink 300 cups of coffee, and zip across
country with my fingers crossed.

>I have to say I admire your resolve to keep the promises you made
> re: the cats. I'm afraid, even as much as I love cats, I'd be trying to find
> good homes for some of them...

Not many "good homes" down here.  Seen one of the nokill shelters, too many
cats stuffed into a trailer, wouldn't do that to my enemies...

> but God bless you and I hope all goes well for
> you.

Can only hope so.  Now if he only had a Visa card........      :/

> It sounds like quite an adventure.

Well, it ain't exactly "The Goonies", but I guess it's "something to
do".......

> I am reminded of once I agreed to deliver a Siamese and her 7 kittens to a
> Siamese rescue org. two hours away. All eight cats yowled the entire trip. I
> thought I was going to lose my mind.

Hehe.... funny.  Yeah, unless used to riding in a vehicle, (some) cats have
a tendency to go ballistic when suddenly thrown into a moving box and zipped
down the road (the ones that don't freeze and hide under a seat from abject
terror).  I grew up as a child with 2 Siamese, beautiful male and female
loving couple, they followed me everywhere I went, one of my only childhood
memories left that I can recall.

> I've heard of people who sedate cats for
> long car trips; it may be something to consider for some of them if you have
> any who get particularly anxious in the car.

Well, heh, I can't even pay the utilities here yet just to keep surviving,
but if we make it through this and actually some day get out on the road,
everyone will be in the back of some big long trailer or something, so I'm
sure the noise and anxiety level is going to be rather extensive all the way
from Texas to California, so won't be much sense in selectively sedating
anyone in this particular case, imho, but I'll look into it, however, I've
heard that sedation is sometimes safer for some animals and not safe for the
next, just what I've heard.

>Good luck to you.
>
> Sherry

Thanks, we need it.

Regards,

Patrick

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Patrick - 17 Jan 2004 08:49 GMT
Incidentally, I forgot to mention that if anyone has any great need to
contact me by telephone, my telephone number is 830-334-3168.  There is an
answering machine connected to it.  I don't answer the telephone directly
anymore since mother passed on (May 21, 2003) and let the answering machine
do its work.  There aren't that many calls anyway since she went, except
bill collectors trying to resurrect her to get money out of her in the
hereafter.  I don't like them very much any more, especially since they've
been calling since May of last year all the way up to the present.  I think
the cats hate them too, heh.

As mother was going, some of my (ex)-relatives, went through town and
cancelled everything, credit cards, bank accounts, charge accounts, etc,
cleaned out safety deposit boxes, took all the jewelry, etc, including
cancelling our local veterinarian charge account, which my people have been
here for something like over 100 years or something using this vet facility
and that really surprised me that they would stop charging to us, even
before mother went, as I've spent a literal fortune there for various
operations on the dogs and cats, from leg amputation (I adopt animals on the
road that they're going to put away or shoot for target practice, I'm a
little older person, 55, you've probably figured that out by now) to ear
jobs, etc, to try to keep them alive and healthy (when they were closed, I
ran them up to the emergency pet clinics in San Antonio back in the days
when I could remember what currency looked like).

But the vet's, as well as the entire town, including probably the sheriff
which I graduated high school with, the butcher, the baker, and the
candlestick maker, knew that I went broke taking care of mother every night
(I begged for a Loan from *anybody* here in town, publicly in our local
paper, to keep me and the animals from going down, but even with that estate
as collateral, nobody would help us, all the way since May of last year,
you've guessed by now that there is just *not* a lot of compassion for
"needy animals" down here, a bit different attitude than some of the ones I
encountered while living in Manhattan and L.A. towards "them furry
critters", so everyone relatively knows our situation at this late date of
existence) but they cancelled our credit there at the vet's anyway, which no
matter how badly I feel about that situation there's not much I can do to
reverse it.

I guess they view "poor people with needy animals" as a bad credit risk,
whether you've paid your bills there for over 100 years or not.  Mother's
dog, Puppy Dog, died about a week before mother went as the vet refused to
charge me even a small bottle of antibiotics to treat her with to at least
*try* to keep her alive.  I didn't have the heart to tell mother.  I buried
her in the backyard in the pet cemetary daddy created so many years ago.

Again, mentioning the closest no-kill shelter that *I* know of, it's
somewhere in the country over near Seguin.  I've been there (maybe things
have changed, I dunno), they have a pretty nice set of open spaces fenced in
for the many many dogs they have rescued (not big enough imho), but I
insisted on viewing the cat's quarters and it was a regular trailer, and I
thought the cats were  very  overcrowded there, again, I wouldn't want to
put any of my cats there, it'd be like putting my children in prison (at
least to me, in *my* mind), so, ergo, we are a Team.  A Family.  All we need
is a fighting chance to survive.  Trying to "adopt them out" is the last
guts on the floor no other options god's comin to get me alternative, imho.
If you want to donate any $ to that no kill shelter, I'll rather bet they
can use it (unless things have changed when I was there so long ago),
they're called SARA I believe.  There, I've found their website address.
It's:
http://www.sarasanctuary.org/
If you didn't want to help keep my 25 cats and dogs alive in this world (I
counted them the other day, it's more like 30-35 cats, 3 dogs, lol) maybe
you could at least send that lady at SARA some $ to help with her no kill
place there.  My friend, who left me that estate, I adopted a pretty black
longhair dog named Dixie from that place for her, she's still here with us
after my friend passed on.  You wanna talk about "yelling" from a pet when I
put her in my pickup to take her here, lol... oh my, heh.  She wanted to
stay with the other 300 dogs in a wire pen there instead of having a real
home (we have half a block of land here, tho I've had to block part of it
off recently as the giant dog I saved from a gas station in Von Ormy so many
years ago, has suddenly decided he is the escape artist of the entire canine
world, lol).  She's adjusted great now and is one of the family.

Anyways, I ate one bowl of soup a day for 3 months after mother went, just
to be able to keep the animals alive and healthy and keep the water running
at both houses.  I've worked my way up to being able to buy one chicken a
week for myself, and feed the bones to the pets outside as a special treat
in addition to dry food.  Oh yeah, I forgot Grandma Chicken, lol.  There is
one female chicken that has flown into our yard, I guess she likes us, and
has trained *all* the dogs and cats to leave her alone, she reminds me of my
grandmother who used to have lots of chickens, so I call her Grandma
Chicken, she appears to know her name now, oddly enough.  I find it hard to
believe that she could train them all, but truth is often stranger than
fiction.  I'm trying to get her to lay eggs, a nice protein source, but I
can't feed her either, lol, so she don't.  She just eats bugs for now I
guess.

Anyway, the animals are alive and healthy, I lost 20 pounds to keep them
that way, gained a lovely ulcer, and sold just about everything I own.  Why,
one might ask?  I dunno.  They're my *Family* now.  All I have left.  Never
married, never had any kids, just me and the pets.  We seem to like each
other, and I find it easy to sacrifice for those I love.  Well, again, if
anyone needs to call me by telephone for any reason, there's my number at
the top (gee, same zip code as SARA, imagine that), or if you need me to lay
down and stop traffic in Pearsall or something to prove the worth of these
animal's lives and that I'm a *real person really with animals who really
needs help really badly*, not a problem, it's only about a mile long or so,
so that won't be that much traffic, lol.  Or, again, if you don't wish to
save us, send some $ to SARA the no kill shelter to help those animals.

Incidentally, my friend, who left me that estate I'm trying so hard to sell,
was what some referred to her here as "The Cat Lady".  She had about 100
cats, more if you count those who went through the decades, they were her
best friends, as for many decades she was rather a kind of "recluse" I might
say, not around a lot of humans it appears, and they just became her Family.
I guess that's why, besides that she was best friend's with my grandmother,
me and her got along so well.  Now they're my Family.  Well, still here,
still trying to exist.  Thanks for the well wishes in email some of you have
sent.  Kind words go a long way when one knows not which way to turn and
there are no friends in sight.

Thanks again for your kind attention and considerations.  I know that there
are many many, many, needy animals in this country (excluding the rest of
the world) that need assistance just as badly as we do.  In my situation I
can't do much right now, however, I sincerely hope you never stop caring for
them.  You are all they have.

Regards,

Pat the Cat man

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'cedes - 18 Jan 2004 08:20 GMT
Patrick, How about auctioning off some of the contents in the house, on
eBay? Any collectibles that would bring in some revenue? Also, why don't you
go post your original post on eBay's Animal Chat board?
http://forums.ebay.com/db1/forum.jsp?forum=2
I admire you, that you are a man of your word. Aren't too many people like
you around these days.

> > it's perfectly legal (although unusual) to be accompanied by
> > 25 cats.
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>
> .
Patrick - 18 Jan 2004 11:34 GMT
> Patrick, How about auctioning off some of the contents in the house, on
> eBay? Any collectibles that would bring in some revenue?

Hi,

I sent you a much longer reply in private email, but just answering here as
well some.  Not much to sell in the house to make a long story shorter.

>Also, why don't you
> go post your original post on eBay's Animal Chat board?
> http://forums.ebay.com/db1/forum.jsp?forum=2

Looked into that right after you pointed it out.  I found that they have a
policy against "charitable solicitation", which, god help us, me, the cats,
the dogs, and grandma chicken are guilty as heck of, and I don't want to
upset the nice people at Ebay by trying to get help to stay alive if it's
against their rules which it apparently is on their chat boards.

> I admire you, that you are a man of your word. Aren't too many people like
> you around these days.

Again, so very kind and sweet of you to say such a beautiful thing.

Regards,

Patrick

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Nan - 18 Jan 2004 14:05 GMT
Patrick, you might be able to sell the house quicker if you made it
more attractive.  In other words, clean all the junk out of the house
and clean up the yard.  Once you do that take new pictures and post
them on ebay to replace the pictures that are presently there.  A
house that looks like it has been trashed is not going to make a
prospective buyer take a second look.  You have to make something look
attractive to be able to sell it.

Good luck.

Nan
Patrick - 18 Jan 2004 21:35 GMT
> Patrick, you might be able to sell the house quicker if you made it
> more attractive.  In other words, clean all the junk out of the house
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>
> Nan

Hi Nan,

Thanks for the pointers and advice.  I definitely agree that something "more
attractive" often will sell much quicker.  As far as prospective buyers
taking a second look, no matter how nice I fix up the house, I've been
relatively honest on Ebay and other places about the condition.  Some parts
of it are in good shape, while other parts need work, such as levelling, it
needs a new roof, etc, which would cost probably anywhere between 20k to 30k
to do a *complete renovation* on the place, and I think that potential
buyers are looking at that *dollar amount* moreso perhaps than they are
looking how clean it is as a defining factor as to whether they wish to
purchase it or not.

It would cost around 8k to tear it down, I've been told.  The valued
assessment on the tax rolls here is 40k, I'm asking for 45k, people around
here seem to want it for free, not a lot of compassion trekking around the
streets around this little town it seems.  The point being, unless a
historical conservationist or somesuch wished to purchase it and renovate it
from love and a historic point of view, if someone bought it for even around
40k, and wished to preserve the house, it would cost them another 20k-30k to
renovate it, that's about 70k just for openers, or if they purchased it and
tore down the house which would cost them around 8k-10k, that's around 50k
initial investment just for openers, and then the price of a brand new
structure they would put there on top of that.

The land is valued at 23k, the house at 17k, if you tore the house down the
assessment would drop, of course it would go back up when you built a new
structure, but I've learned, from this terribly long process of trying to
sell it now, that people want it for almost nothing, apparently, besides
just the $ factor involved, so they can sit around a coffee table somewhere
and relate "what a great deal they made", rather than actually coming out
and purchasing it for anywhere even near to a reasonable price, and there
are tons of people down here who have the $ and could easily do so.  But as
one major businessman down here told me "they're just waiting for you to
default on the taxes so they can auction it off on the courthouse steps for
a song", which I've already defaulted on the $1200 taxes in October of last
year, so, so who knows anymore where me and the cats are going...  All I can
do is keep trying day to day.  And I've spent a fortune advertising it in
the last 2 years, $ that I could have surely used right now, and Ebay seems
so very very far away at this point.

I mow and trim the yard now and then when my bad leg isn't acting up with
the pain, and when it is a little warmer than it is now down here.  I've
just been so malnutrioned for so long now that I get weak now and then my
energy level just plummets after the least amount of exertion (I know, I'm
supposed to be a 55 year old 6'5" strong man, go figure, I apparently know a
lot about malnutrition now as well) and it is a big place to mow, but the
city sends me a note now and then that the lawn needs trimming so no matter
what condition I am then in I go mow it anyway.  I just didn't have the
energy to trim the lawn when I took those photos I put on Ebay, knew the
yard needed trimming, but put them up there anyway.

As far as Ebay, it takes $100 each time to list this property there, and if
I want to be in the Featured Section, where more people will be able to
*much more easily find it and view it*, that's around another $20.  I am
broke now.  I just can't relist the property there unless I can come up with
the money to do so, and I would *love* to relist it there, after I clean up
the place, mow the lawn, etc, but I can't right now, and as much as I would
like to sell the property and list it again on Ebay etc, my priority right
now is to somehow prevent them from turning off the water and gas on January
26.  Cleaning up the place and yard etc is a very very good idea to present
a nicer looking package to potential buyers, but I just don't have the money
for Ebay, I'm bankrupt, looking to sell whatever little low end knicknacks
that are left in the house (which isn't working too well as they are too
low-end and just not enough of them) to even just somehow keep the water on,
the gas flowing for heat, the electricity on so we can perhaps have lights,
refrigeration, wash clothes, use the stove to cook, stay up on the Internet
seeking help since there is none where I am, keep the telephone line
working, have no $ for vet bills so that point is moot, I've just told the
cats not to get sick and they seem to agree and are all still healthy I just
use common sense treatments from the backyard that my grandmother taught me,
so Ebay seems so far away, like someone in a movie singing "The hills are
alive with the sound of Ebay", but I can't even see that as the television
turned off last May.  Ebay, I realized long ago, has such great potential to
sell and purchase items, as well as real estate, but I've spent too much $
there trying, in vain, to move this property, and simply can't do it again,
at least not right now.  I could have really used that $ for bills, flea
spray, etc, but I took a chance, since it *offers* such great potential for
selling, and lost.  A bad gamble borne out of desperation.  Perhaps I will
try, after cleaning up the place some more and getting better pics, again
sometime in the future.

On another note, if anyone didn't have any $ to help save us, you could send
us some flea spray, I could really use some of that, and as I've said in a
previous post here, the vet closed down our charge account there long long
ago.  And a correction here to one of my previous statements, my *area* code
is the same as SARA's, not the zip code.

Well, here's hoping you're all doing better than we are.  God bless.

Regards,

Patrick

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Mogie - 18 Jan 2004 21:54 GMT
A fresh coat of paint helps too.

> > Patrick, you might be able to sell the house quicker if you made it
> > more attractive.  In other words, clean all the junk out of the house
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>
> .
Patrick - 19 Jan 2004 04:34 GMT
> A fresh coat of paint helps too.

Even though Santa missed our house this year, I agree that a fresh coat of
paint would be nice and help.  He was supposed to drop several hundred $
worth of paint, brushes, rollers, thinners, etc, so I could paint it, and me
and the cats waited and waited all night, we figured, hey, we have 3
fireplaces, how could Santa miss?, however the little grey haired elf dude
just didn't make it.   Whereupon a little tortoise shelled kitten stood up
and said "Hey, you said Santa was comin..!!" and I didn't know what to tell
him, so I tucked him and all the rest warmly into bed, read them some
bedtime stories, and waited until they were peacefully snoring to go back
and sit in front of the fireplace and wait...

:)

I dunno, I agree, a fresh coat of paint on the house would help and be very
nice, just having a serious cash flow prob right about now, lol, for
anything.  However...  I will do my best to get one on there, as it's a
great idea.  I'm just temporarily stuck in a serious scramble for existence
finally finding out if that old old saying is true of "When there are no
miracles, you make one.", or not.

Basically we sit by the fireplace and do a lot of praying lately when we're
not out trying to sell everything I own.  I've been told previously by
someone that a "coat of paint would improve" the appearance, saleability,
etc, however I'm just trying to keep things from shutting off, like
utitilities, etc, and me and the cats, perhaps someday in the future
though...

Regards,

Patrick

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M.C. Mullen - 19 Jan 2004 05:18 GMT
 I'm just temporarily stuck in a serious scramble for existence
| finally finding out if that old old saying is true of "When there are no
| miracles, you make one.", or not.

There *must* be some free social advise in your place. Americans in this
group: you surely know better where Patrick could find help and advise and
what these organisations are called.

Carola
Patrick - 19 Jan 2004 22:00 GMT
>   I'm just temporarily stuck in a serious scramble for existence
> | finally finding out if that old old saying is true of "When there are no
> | miracles, you make one.", or not.

> There *must* be some free social advise in your place. Americans in this
> group: you surely know better where Patrick could find help and advise and
> what these organisations are called.
>
> Carola

Hi Carola,

Well......   There are some things I can do "for myself", such as go on food
stamps, welfare, etc, there are programs for that here in America, for
humans, but I've been holding off going that route, hoping I would be able
to do this on my own, sell the estate, and interestingly enough have been
able to survive since May of last year "on my own two feet" keeping both me
and the pets alive by basically selling everything I owned (there are
little, if any, opportunities for actual employment down here, for me, much
different than LA say).  I've never been on food stamps, welfare, etc, but
it looks like I'm fixing to break down completely here (who am I kidding, I
already have), so that might wind up being the only option left to me.  Food
stamps and welfare and etc, however, just don't provide programs "for pets",
pet food, medicine, vet bills, flea spray, etc.  Well, they *should* have a
program in America to "help pets", but they just don't (probably since most
humans are Carnivores Devourous and many have been trained from birth for
centuries that animals in general for the most part are only good for
eating, wearing, hunting, experimenting on and torturing, and watching hang
around in amusement parks where a coke cost 8 bucks while we make fun of
them, entire races of disposable beings at our command and for our
amusement, it's a wonder cats and dogs lasted this long without us eating
them too, oh, nevermind, I forgot, they still eat *anything that moves* in
some places in the orient, even cats and dogs, errr...ummm....   [Some]
humans, it seems, appear to be the only species that for some inane reason
has not been able to fully find their integral harmonic co-existence with
Nature, [they probably believed all that pure unadulterated brainwashing
indoctrinating bs they were taught so long ago that all animals are
unintelligent, soulless, dumb, stupid, Secondary Expendable Creatures, only
put on earth for our personal utilization and dispensation according to our
"wisdom", I dunno, if you find 10 *really wise humans* sitting at a bus
stop, wiser than all the animals you have ever known, call me, I want to
meet them, lol, I think some jerk made that bs story up long ago when he
figured out he could make money by eliminating the animals, and took
advantage of them because they couldn't speak our languages or operate
machinery like us "wise humans" can miraculously do, lol, "ah, these humans,
so childishly godlike in their concepts of themselves, their powers over the
earth and all the creatures, and in the destruction which springs so easily
from their ignorance and greed on an unsuspecting world"] which is probably
why they spend so much time and effort destroying it instead), and they
can't even take care of their humans properly it seems sometimes, lol, so
that concept for "animal assistance" is almost as likely as us landing on
the moon in the next 3 years.  But, again, yes, there are programs "to aid
humans" in America, it's just that they won't let you spend your food stamps
on bags of cat or dog food or flea spray or etc, which still leaves my
family of animals whistling dixie into the wind.  We're still here and
trying though.  My parents were poor, but they taught me to never give up
trying, no matter what.  So I never give up trying.  All hopes and dreams,
even of just *surviving* to live another day, are wonderful necessities in
such a world as this sometimes, for some of us it seems.  However, maybe I
just need to go down to the main stoplight and do the entire show of
"Oklahoma" or something on my knees in my long johns to get some help, lol.
Well, umm, nah, they'd just have me arrested here, heh.  Well, who knows,
still here, still trying.  If you see the person in charge of all the green
american cash in America, keep us in mind, lol.  :)  Well, thanks again so
very much for your concern, Carola, appreciate it.  I haven't given up yet.

Regards,

Patrick

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M.C. Mullen - 20 Jan 2004 05:38 GMT
| Well......   There are some things I can do "for myself", such as go on food
| stamps, welfare, etc, there are programs for that here in America, for
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| pet food, medicine, vet bills, flea spray, etc.  Well, they *should* have a
| program in America to "help pets", but they just don't

Right, but if you use food stamps for your own food then you should have
some money left for the pets. So get them for the cat's sake.

Carola
Patrick - 20 Jan 2004 21:11 GMT
> Right, but if you use food stamps for your own food then you should have
> some money left for the pets. So get them for the cat's sake.
>
> Carola

Hi Carola,

I wish I had a really great answer to that, like I didn't want to go on food
stamps because I'm too proud and want to "make it on my own", or it's
embarrassing to stand in line at the supermarket and pay with foodstamps
while your neighbors stare at you and wish you would hurry up, or that my
town is so small and bored with themselves that if you sneeze from pollen a
rumor goes all around town within an hour and returns to you that you've
contracted aids or something, or any other of several reasons why I have
held off on going on food stamps, but I don't.

The problem, though, is that there is a "cash flow problem".  The cats and
dogs have never gone hungry, I've not eaten to ensure that.  They eat every
day and have fresh water.  Yes, I've been thinking about it for quite some
time, and after I finish this email I'm most likely going to call and find
out how to get on food stamps, however, that's not going to help keep the
gas on which we need for heat (I've shut off all the rooms of the house
except my bedroom and the kitchen and keep the gas on extremely low as it is
so expensive to keep on and me and the cats huddle together at night when we
sleep, it is a bit cold down here now) or the water on which we need for
sheer survival, which those 2 bills are due on January 26, 6 days from now.

Me going on food stamps, which is a good idea, however, simply isn't going
to keep the gas and water on, or the electricity on and the last single
phone line to the outside world on, or buy gas for the pickup to be able to
even *just try* to "go out into the world and make $" (there is no "public
transportation" where I am such as busses or subways in a larger city like
NYC where I used to live), as, again, there is no cash flowing in the input
jack of my existence right now, but I will go and get food stamps anyway.  I
forgot what fruits and vegetables look like, heh.  Wait a second, this isn't
the way the guy in "Castaway" started.    Hmmm.....  I'm in the wrong
movie...    :|

It's a complicated little problem, not having any $ to begin with and having
this many pets and trying to work your way out of it with no $ to begin
with, and staring at the bills on the table for so long realizing "hmmm, I
need $ to save us" then not being able to pay any bills because there is no
$, the circle goes round and round, especially after you've sold everything
you own to keep going, can't sell the one thing that would help bigtime, an
estate, and you have no cash flow whatsoever coming in, then you stare at
"food stamps" and realize that won't solve your problem either, but simply
allow me to buy more human food, and it's the middle of winter.

True, if I use food stamps for my own food, and I am able to scrape up any $
whatsoever from whatever source, I can "use that $ for the cats", even
though there is no steady flow of $ coming in at this time whatsoever.  I
wish my  brain worked better, but =part= of the entire problem appears to be
that I *like* the cats, they are my *Family*, but I'm the *human* in this
Family, and if I go "down", they go down, which I know I could probably,
right before I go down, adopt them out, but *that* is what I've been trying
to avoid, having to have them exit my life, freaking them out beyond
explicable sanity by removing them from a family unit they've been with for
years and years and years, when I know if I can get back on my feet I can
provide for them just as healthily and happily as the next person, and they
know *I* am an integral part of their Family as well.  It's rather strange
when I think about it, but it seems that if the actual structure that one
lives in with your family of pets "goes down", as well as with the human's $
acquisition abilities, due to inability to sustain it from a lack of $
flowing you are in big trouble, food stamps or no food stamps.  I've come to
realize that I'm in "big trouble" now, which is why I've reached out to
people that don't know me from Adam to give it one last try out of sheer
desperation.  Perhaps there is some "easily viewable" solution to "all" of
this that I am just unable to find, like "not being able to see the forest
for the trees" or somesuch, but I haven't found it yet if there is.

I do so really wish that "food stamps" was just the all out knock down
absolute solution to everything here, but, unfortunately it's just not,
however, I'll go get them anyway, thank you for the good idea.  Appreciate
it.

Regards,

Patrick

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Patrick - 21 Jan 2004 01:50 GMT
> I do so really wish that "food stamps" was just the all out knock down
> absolute solution to everything here, but, unfortunately it's just not,
> however, I'll go get them anyway, thank you for the good idea.  Appreciate
> it.

Well.....   After I wrote that post, I took your advice, and went down to
the little office to apply for food stamps.  What an interesting experience.
I sat in one of the little chairs in the 2 rows of chairs waiting my turn,
got an application, sat back down and began to fill it out.  It's about 8-10
pages or so.  I finished and handed it back in and sat back down.  Then they
called me back up to the window and asked me several questions about what I
had checked yes and no, and for a bit further explanations on some of it,
then asked me how much I had in my checking account (which I've kept open
just to be able cash anything that might come in) because they couldn't
believe there's only $10.01, as they know me.  So I explained that yes,
that's all that's there.  Then they made me tell them how much money I had
in my pants pocket, lol, which was $8 going to Walmart to buy a bag of
catfood (our entire fortune, lol), and they couldn't believe that either, so
then I sat back down when they were finished asking questions and tried my
best not to look like one of The Poor, lol, that didn't work either, lol.
Then they asked me to go into the back, so I did, where they took my
photograph and fingerprinted me.  :/   Well, and all that was even before an
actual interview, lol, they gave me another date to come back in for a
formal interview.  Well, anyways, I sure do hope I can get food stamps, that
might help me and the cats somehow in the long run if not the short run.
They don't have any welfare program available where I live for a Single
Person, I checked while I was there.  I wonder if the cats like peanut
butter, lol.  I don't really mind applying for food stamps, even though I've
never had them or wanted them before now, however, I just get a little
tickled now and then thinking about it when someone says "Ok, now show me
what's in your other pocket" and then fingerprinting me, just because we're
hungry, lol.  I guess that's just the way they do it now...  I'm learning
new things every day.  I guess that's a good thing.

Regards,

Patrick

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Patrick - 22 Jan 2004 20:43 GMT
> I just get a little
> tickled now and then thinking about it when someone says "Ok, now show me
> what's in your other pocket" and then fingerprinting me, just because we're
> hungry, lol

Well, there we go.  Went back for the interview for food stamps, everything
went fine, I think I over-qualified for food stamps.  :|   I get $37 per
week now, can only be used for human food items in a place.  That's good,
very good, I'm not complaining, a nice improvement, but I still can't figure
out how to keep all the utilities etc on with my food stamp card, heh.  :|
I then went over to a little office which is supposed to have a program (so
they told me) that will help people in need with a one-time allocation of
funds to make a one-time payment for such things as utilities to help poor
people offset sitting in the dark and freezing to death.  I asked the man
there if this is what they did, he said yes but they didn't have any $ at
the time to do it, I asked why not and he replied that the federal
government just wouldn't free up the funds, so I blurted out (I have no idea
where it came from either, heh) "So the Pentagon buys $600 toilet seats and
$300 hammers and a gazillion bombs while the poor go down the chute in this
country looking just for a chance to stay above water and survive", and he
said "Welcome to America" and closed the door, lol.

So I walked on down the hall, got in my pickup, came back home, sat down in
the chair in the dark waiting for the utilities to shut down as my cats
played with my food stamp card, lol, wondering if I was too old to start a
life of crime (just kidding about the "crime" part, lol).  The words of an
elderly lady came wafting back through my head when I once long ago dared to
complain about my own poverty or situations, she told me to look at my
situation, then multiply that by millions of other people who were in my
position or even worse, and that was just in America, she told me not to
think about the huge amount of other poor needy suffering people in the
world or I would probably go crazy, lol.  But I thought about them, maybe
that's what's wrong with me.  I just hate to see the 35 cats die, or have to
adopt them out and have to see them forever separated after they have been a
literal family for all these years just because I'm poor and unable to get
back on my feet by myself at the current moment.  I guess that's just the
way it goes.  God bless the poor, and those even more needy than me.  I pray
to God for them, on my ragged knees.  This is just not a way to live.  I
realize now that if the humans in need go down, the animals in their care
often go down with them.  The cost of just one bomb from the Pentagon would
save so many of them from further suffering on this planet of death and war.
But they won't do it.  They've lost their compassion.  Being king of the
mountain has obviously become more important to them than saving a planet
and its inhabitants from suffering.  Is this what happens to people with
cats who are fixing to go down?  You begin to see more clearly the suffering
of the rest of the world and begin to ramble...?  Lol, I guess so.  And you
begin to realize that you're so far down that you can't help the person next
to you who is even further down than you, but you try anyway, because you
know you're supposed to, no matter what.  Well, enough of my ramblings.
Perhaps this is the wrong newsgroup to seek help for cats in, or it's
perhaps just that there are other cats more needy than mine.  I no longer
know.  If there's another place where I can put my story where I might be
able to get some help, please let me know.  If not, hey, well, them's the
breaks I guess.  I guess there are crossroads like this that different
people come to at different times in their lives.  And one has to just grit
their teeth and walk on through the door no matter where it leads.  Well,
regardless, God bless you people and cats who are in more need or are
suffering more than we are.  I know how you feel.  I pray for you every
night.  Some day we will be free in a better place.

Pat

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M.C. Mullen - 23 Jan 2004 16:22 GMT
| I just hate to see the 35 cats die, or have to
| adopt them out and have to see them forever separated after they have been a
| literal family for all these years just because I'm poor and unable to get
| back on my feet by myself at the current moment.  I guess that's just the
| way it goes.

If your cats aren't neutered then it *is* the way it goes...
Is there any animal welfare program that could help neutering the cats?

Congrats getting the food stamps!!

Carola
Patrick - 23 Jan 2004 21:26 GMT
> | I just hate to see the 35 cats die, or have to
> | adopt them out and have to see them forever separated after they have been
> a
> | literal family for all these years just because I'm poor and unable to get
> | back on my feet by myself at the current moment.  I guess that's just the
> | way it goes.

> If your cats aren't neutered then it *is* the way it goes...

Well.....  I don't know about that one.  The "plan", as it has always been,
is to sell the estate, move the cats to California, then once settled,
neuter everyone.

> Is there any animal welfare program that could help neutering the cats?

I doubt that seriously.  Not in this area.

The reason the plan is to neuter after we get to California, by the way, is
that these are very bright cats, if I were able to trap them in a cage to
neuter them *once*, while we are still here, then release them back into the
yard, then wait wait wait to sell the estate, then try to catch them *again*
in a cage for the move, they wouldn't go near a cage the 2nd time no matter
what was in it and I'd never catch them, that's how bright they are, which
would leave me with a bunch of neutered cats running around in Texas while
I'm in California.  I neutered one outdoor cat quite a while ago after being
able to catch her, she got depressed afterwards, hung around for a few days,
and I've never seen her since.  She has never returned.  If I wanted to kill
my cats, I can think of better ways to do it.

Regards,

Patrick

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Christina - 19 Jan 2004 15:20 GMT
Patrick, same financial situation as you so I can relate with that.  I'm in
the same boat, getting extensions on the water, electric, phone bill, you
name it....payday loans every week....hang in there, hopefully the prayers
will work for us both!

--
http://www.geocities.com/christinamarie29/ourpage.html

> > A fresh coat of paint helps too.
>
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>
> .
Patrick - 19 Jan 2004 22:07 GMT
> Patrick, same financial situation as you so I can relate with that.  I'm in
> the same boat, getting extensions on the water, electric, phone bill, you
> name it....payday loans every week....hang in there, hopefully the prayers
> will work for us both!

It would be funny if this is only as good as it gets.  Well, it wouldn't be
*that* funny, lol.

But I'm still here, still praying, hoping that when I'm through I don't just
have bruises on my knees as a reward, lol.  But I've learned to never try to
second-guess God, heh.

Well, god bless ya, Christina, thanks for the kind words.  I hope things go
better for you as well.

I've stopped short of teaching the cats how to pray.  I think they probably
already have their own method of communicating with something bigger than
us, which I have no desire to interfere with.

Thanks again for your kind words of encouragement.

Regards,

Patrick

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TheAncientMagician - 15 Jan 2004 04:07 GMT
> I didn't read anything in the post about "refinancing." In fact, there was no
> mention of an existing mortgage at all.

There is no mortgage.  The Ebay url address explains just about everything
about the property.  I'm the sole owner, no mortgage, no liens, etc.

> I think the house has wonderful potential, if the buyer had enough money to
> restore it.
>
> Sherry

Thanks for your kind words.

Regards,

Patrick

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TheAncientMagician - 15 Jan 2004 04:02 GMT
> So if you are a Magician why can't you just make the money materialize
> out of thin air?

It isn't so much that the air isn't so thin down here, but more that the
rabbit is on vacation.

Regards,

Patrick

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