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Tell the Wisconsin DNR what you think about the prospect of hunting cats in our state...

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ESLaPorte - 09 Mar 2005 13:18 GMT
You can tell the Wisconsin Depertment of Natural Resourses what you think of
the prospect of hunting cats in our state at the address below, which is a
form page..

http://dnr.wi.gov/WWWFeedback.html

....but you can use your back button and send to all departments...

Read the message I sent them:

The hunting of ANY cat will not be tolerated by civilized people of this
state. I feed some cats outdoors - and if any harm comes to them - I will go
after that person or persons. If any harm comes to any of the cats in MY
neighborhood (which are fed by everyone here) the things that I will do to
that person or persons are to graphic to describe... but there will be NO
stopping what I will do to the person or persons involved in the hunting and
killing of cats.
Just to you know who I am -

Erin LaPorte
Milwaukee, 53221
Larry R Harrison Jr - 11 Mar 2005 15:53 GMT
I'll tell them I SUPPORT their proposal. Thank you for the link.

I will post my OWN letter someone can post

Dear Legislator,

I am a private property owner bothered by constant nuisances from
irresponsible pet owners. Countless times, numerous cats, dogs, and other
undesirables have trespassed onto my property--digging holes, trampling over
my newly washed automobiles resulting in the need to re-wash them at great
expense of my time, digging into my trash, and harassing my own privately
owned pets. These nuisances come about as a result of delinquent pet owners
who take no responsiblity for the havoc created by their uncontrolled
animals.

Numerous times I have pleaded with the pet owners to excert appropriate
controls over their pets, explained the nuisances of what their uncontrolled
animals do, and how they are responsible as the pet owners to be good
neighbors. Almost without exception, my concerns have been ignored and
totally dismissed by the pet owners, leaving me with no choice but to handle
the problem myself.

As a private property owner, I should be allowed to take whatever methods
are available at my disposal to rid myself of these needless nuisances.
Shooting an animal is understandably a last resort measure, but one which
should be available to me as a last-resort option if this is what is
necessary to protect my private belongings from vandalism by animals that
are out of control. I therefore am writing to you to voice my support for
your proposal to allow the shooting of cats on-sight. Protection of my
private property is a concern for me, and if this means we private property
owners must use force within reason to see to this, that should be our
right.

Signed,
concerned resident of Wisconsin

LRH
Ashley - 11 Mar 2005 18:35 GMT
> I'll tell them I SUPPORT their proposal. Thank you for the link.
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> and totally dismissed by the pet owners, leaving me with no choice but to
> handle the problem myself.

I don't know what in your life it is that wants you to control everything
so, but whatever it is, I hope, for your sake, you come to terms with it
sooner rather than latter. You have struck me, and continue to strike me, as
a most unhappy person. I feel sorry for you.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 11 Mar 2005 19:42 GMT
>> I'll tell them I SUPPORT their proposal. Thank you for the link.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> terms with it sooner rather than latter. You have struck me, and
> continue to strike me, as a most unhappy person. I feel sorry for you.

He's unhappy because, to put it simply, he is a CONTROL FREAK.  It's a
psycological disorder.  And *not* being able to control something angers
them.  Since no one is able to control *EVERYTHING*, he is a very angry
person.

But on another note, letting pets run loose is a violation of laws in most
areas.  If pets are allowed to run loose, and you *have* spoken to their
owners, you have the legal right to take them to the local shelter
(preferrably no-kill, but that's not often available).  If the owner wants
them back, they can pay the fee to reclaim them.  They may even be fined
(for letting pet run loose) if they *don't* reclaim them, espcially if the
pet is wearing tags identifying the owner.

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Ashley - 11 Mar 2005 19:51 GMT
> He's unhappy because, to put it simply, he is a CONTROL FREAK.  It's a
> psycological disorder.  And *not* being able to control something angers
> them.  Since no one is able to control *EVERYTHING*, he is a very angry
> person.

Yup. It's obvious the phrase "control freak" came about because of people
such as Larry.

> But on another note, letting pets run loose is a violation of laws in most
> areas.

How US-centric of you. It's not actually, as most of the world isn't in the
US. In New Zealand it is against the law to let a dog run loose or to
release a pet rabbit. There are no controls against cats, lorikeets, guinea
pigs or goldfish. I suspect you'll find that most of the world is closer to
New Zealand than it is to whatever part of the States you're posting from.

If pets are allowed to run loose, and you *have* spoken to their
> owners, you have the legal right to take them to the local shelter
> (preferrably no-kill, but that's not often available).  If the owner wants
> them back, they can pay the fee to reclaim them.  They may even be fined
> (for letting pet run loose) if they *don't* reclaim them, espcially if the
> pet is wearing tags identifying the owner.
Larry R Harrison Jr - 11 Mar 2005 20:10 GMT
> How US-centric of you. It's not actually, as most of the world isn't in
> the US. In New Zealand it is against the law to let a dog run loose or to
> release a pet rabbit. There are no controls against cats, lorikeets,
> guinea pigs or goldfish. I suspect you'll find that most of the world is
> closer to New Zealand than it is to whatever part of the States you're
> posting from.

Who freaking CARES what New Zealand does? If they want to be morons in that
department, we nonetheless don't have to be.

I have read other articles about this whole thing, and that is the thing
which strikes me the most--that the genesis of this "hunt the cats" law
change proposal comes about as a result of irresponsible pet owners who are,
in fact, breaking the law themselves. I understand in the community where
this is being proposed, it is against the law to let your pets roam--and
this is exactly the reason why. The pets running loose--it creates these
types of problems. If the pet owners would hold up their end, none of this
would even be being proposed in the first place!

That is the underlying issue to me--particular pet owners are being
irresponsible and wrecking other people's lives, and the property owners are
finding a desire to take care of the issues. If this can be done by trapping
the animal, fine--but what if trapping is a tricky thing which requires a
lot more effort & time than simply shooting? That is the thing--it should
NOT be the responsibility of the property owner to keep invaders off their
property--they should have that RIGHT, but it isn't ultimately their
responsibility, it is the responsibility of the invader's owners to prevent
it to begin with. To then ask the property owners to go so far out of their
way, investing so much time & expense with how they rid their property of
the invaders--I say, that's wrong. If pet owners aren't going to hold up
their end, then whatever the property owners do to take care of the
problem--good enough. The property owners aren't the villians here, the
irresponsible pet owners are.

And please let it be noted--by no means are all pet owners like this. Many
have I seen before who are very responsible, and apologetic out the wazoo if
their pet trespasses onto someone else's yard and causes problems. They may
do things like--say, if the cat trespasses and gets paw prints all over
their neighbor's nice car, they may (say) give them a $20 gift certificate
good towards a local car wash, or offer to help (say) repair any damage to
bushes or trash cans. They TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for what their pets do,
rather than whine "what can I do about it" and "you better keep your hands
off my pet!"

If there were more such pet owners, then this proposal never would've seen
the light of day, people.

LRH
Magic Mood Jeep? - 11 Mar 2005 21:13 GMT
>> He's unhappy because, to put it simply, he is a CONTROL FREAK.  It's
>> a psycological disorder.  And *not* being able to control something
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>> even be fined (for letting pet run loose) if they *don't* reclaim
>> them, espcially if the pet is wearing tags identifying the owner.

Yes, I am in US, and so is Mr. Harrison, not to mention the state of
Wisconsin.  I suppose that's why it's relevant here.  Not all comunities
have the same laws.  Some are city laws, but not county.  I know where I
live, *all* pets need to be leashed or confined in a fenced area - cats
included.  But people worry more about the dogs than cats, as cats are
usually less of a nuisance.  And in spite of the leash law, there is a
*managed* colony of feral cats here.  They are all spayed/neutered,
fed/watered twice daily, and shelters provided during inclement weather.
--?
The ONE and ONLY
lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy
former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at
nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com
http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
Mike Rhino - 14 Mar 2005 16:05 GMT
> But on another note, letting pets run loose is a violation of laws in most
> areas.  If pets are allowed to run loose, and you *have* spoken to their
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (for letting pet run loose) if they *don't* reclaim them, espcially if the
> pet is wearing tags identifying the owner.

When I was in high school, I lived in a neighborhood where people had 1 or 2
acre lots.  People let their dogs run around loose.  I think that dogs are
happier that way and they get more exercise, but there are some risks.  It's
dangerous for cats and I remember dogs attacking an old blind dog.  There
were also garbage can problems.  That doesn't work well in densely packed
neighborhoods.  I feel sorry for dogs chained to old people by leash laws,
because I like to see dogs run.

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