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Paul Slocum - 07 Mar 2005 01:51 GMT
I got a big nice cat tree, and I'm having a hard time getting my cats to
switch from my chairs to the tree.  I've covered it in catnip and put
them on it, but they rarely go near the thing (even though it's right
next to the chairs they like to scratch).  Any ideas?

-paul
Orchid - 07 Mar 2005 03:31 GMT
>I got a big nice cat tree, and I'm having a hard time getting my cats to
>switch from my chairs to the tree.  I've covered it in catnip and put
>them on it, but they rarely go near the thing (even though it's right
>next to the chairs they like to scratch).  Any ideas?

    How many posts do you have, where are they, how tall are they,
and how sturdy are they?   :)  I know that's a lot of questions, but
placement, number, and all those others are crucial factors in whether
a cat uses a post or not.
    You should provide multiple posts and multiple scratching
surfaces.  Some cats like the feeling of sisal rope, some like bark,
some like carpet, some like cardboard.  Some cats like vertical
surfaces, some like horizontal ones.  Cats like to scratch when they
first wake up, and they like to scratch in places where the traffic
density is the highest.  Put one post where they like to sleep so they
can stretch their muscles after a nap, and put one in the
living/family room (high traffic density) so they can fulfill their
territorial marking need.  Scratching is a visual and olfactory
territory marker -- the scratched part says visually 'here I am, and
I'm this big', and cats have scent glands on their paw pads that say
olfactorily  'This is my place, and I'm this sex and this old and this
healthy'.  Cats tend to prefer posts that are tall enough to stretch
way up against.  This not only helps them stretch/exercise their back
and shoulder muscles properly, but lets them announce how tall they
are to the world in territorial marking. Cats will not scratch on an
unsteady surface.  If the post wobbles or (Bast forbid) falls over,
cats won't scratch on it.  Posts and trees should be on a heavy, wide
base for maximum stability.

I have five scratching surfaces (one 6' tree in the living room, 2 4'
posts (one in the library near out bedroom and one in the media room
in the basement), and two cardboard horizontal scratchers that float
around the house) for three cats, and we have no damage anywhere in
the house.  Now, the cats will paw at the furniture (claws in) to put
their scent on it, but since that's non-damaging we allow it.

Orchid
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Paul Slocum - 07 Mar 2005 05:58 GMT
>     How many posts do you have, where are they, how tall are they,
> and how sturdy are they?   :)  I know that's a lot of questions, but
> placement, number, and all those others are crucial factors in whether
> a cat uses a post or not.

It has 3 pedastals, and the tallest one is as high as the chairs they
scratch, and would allow them to stretch.  It is quite heavy and sturdy,
and it has carpet and rope on it.  It's similar in a lot of ways to the
chairs they like to scratch, and it's sitting right next to them.  I
live in a loft so there are not multiple rooms.

Knowing them and what they've scratched before, it seems perfect.  I
just can't figure out why they stay away from it.

I wonder if it's because I don't sit on it?  (and therefore it doesn't
have my smell?)

I also bought one of those cardboard scratchers today.  Maybe that'll
help.  

Previously I had a couch that I let them scratch, and the wood floor in
my old place was dried out in front of the heater, so they'd scratch
there.  But I recently moved and got rid of the couch.

-paul
Brad - 08 Mar 2005 08:04 GMT
>>I got a big nice cat tree, and I'm having a hard time getting my cats to
>>switch from my chairs to the tree.  I've covered it in catnip and put
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>the house.  Now, the cats will paw at the furniture (claws in) to put
>their scent on it, but since that's non-damaging we allow it.

So Orchid are you talking about spending maybe four to five hundred
dollars on scratching posts? And yes I know the cost of a good chair
is more but the posts I have seen have been a minimun of about $80
that can add up in a hurry.

Brad

>Orchid
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MaryL - 08 Mar 2005 10:56 GMT
>>>I got a big nice cat tree, and I'm having a hard time getting my cats to
>>>switch from my chairs to the tree.  I've covered it in catnip and put
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>> You should provide multiple posts and multiple scratching
>>surfaces.

Cats tend to prefer posts that are tall enough to stretch
>>way up against.  This not only helps them stretch/exercise their back
>>and shoulder muscles properly, but lets them announce how tall they
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>>
>>Orchid

It isn't necessary to spend that much to get several good-quality scratching
posts.  For example, take a look at some of my pictures in Duffy's album.
http://tinyurl.com/8y56
Scroll down to the 7th, 8th, and 9th pictures.  There you will see Duffy
with a scratching post that I got at PetSmart.  Of course, Duffy is
*climbing* the post in those pictures, which he often does!  That scratching
post has both carpet and sisal surface.  It is 36" tall, very sturdy, and
has a large base that the cat stands on when scratching (adding still more
stability).  It cost approximately $40.00.

MaryL
Orchid - 08 Mar 2005 22:19 GMT
>So Orchid are you talking about spending maybe four to five hundred
>dollars on scratching posts? And yes I know the cost of a good chair
>is more but the posts I have seen have been a minimun of about $80
>that can add up in a hurry.

    We have spent around $260 on scratching surfaces -- of that,
$180 or so was the big 6' tree, the 4' ones were ~$40, and the
scratching pads are $15 for three or four (can't recall).

    IMO, considerably less than a chair.  :)

Orchid
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MaryL - 08 Mar 2005 02:19 GMT
>I got a big nice cat tree, and I'm having a hard time getting my cats to
> switch from my chairs to the tree.  I've covered it in catnip and put
> them on it, but they rarely go near the thing (even though it's right
> next to the chairs they like to scratch).  Any ideas?
>
> -paul

Paul,

You may need to do more than "put them on it."  You need to do something to
start the scratching instinct and to let your cats know that this is the
"preferred" scratching area.  I was always able to train my cats to a
scratching post within a few days, but it required that I may *close*
attention to their scratching habits during the first few days.  First, I
would attract the cat's attention to the post by running a string with a
small toy on it up and down the lower part of the scratching post -- enough
to get their attention.  Praise *lavishly* if the cat catches on fast and
grabs for the toy, then starts to scratch.  Another technique is to scratch
with your own fingernails.  That will usually attract your cat's attention,
and he or she may begin to scratch quickly.  Sometimes it helps just to tap
the surface gently.  When I said to pay close attention, I meant that you
also need to watch for the slightest sign that the cat is going to scratch
on furniture instead of the scratching post.  In that case, say "no" very
firmly and go over to the cat tree and tap on the post (or scratch with your
fingernails) until your cat gets the idea and scratches there.  Then, as
always, *praise* lavishly.  You might even try lifting the cat and carrying
it to the scratching post/cat tree, but it is usually better (and more
effective) to do something to attract the cat's attention and let the cat
move toward the scratching post.  It may take longer to train your cats
because they are already used to scratching on your furniture, but it can be
done!

Good luck,
MaryL
Mike Z. Helm - 08 Mar 2005 03:53 GMT
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:19:09 -0600, "MaryL"
<carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>

>>I got a big nice cat tree, and I'm having a hard time getting my cats to
>> switch from my chairs to the tree.  I've covered it in catnip and put
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>start the scratching instinct and to let your cats know that this is the
>"preferred" scratching area.

Whenever mine scratches the wrong thing, I would pick her up and put her
in front of the post.  I only had to do that a couple of times although
lately she has decided to start scratching the TV cabinet.  Her friggin'
post is right next to it (1 of 3 posts, and dartboard/carpeted backframe
- not mounted at regulation level; she uses all of those)

She knows she's not supposed to and she stops when I clap my hands or
say "NO".
Paul Slocum - 08 Mar 2005 17:40 GMT
thanks for the tips, I'll give it a shot.  I've tried scratching on the
post to give them the idea, but I don't have nails.  I'll try tapping
too.

They're actually taking to the cardboard scratching thing I bought, and
they've started clawing at my wicker table too (which I don't mind).  As
long as they stay away from my chairs and rug, I'm happy.  ;o)

-paul
MaryL - 08 Mar 2005 17:51 GMT
> thanks for the tips, I'll give it a shot.  I've tried scratching on the
> post to give them the idea, but I don't have nails.  I'll try tapping
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>
> -paul

You will be better off if you get a selection of scratching posts (including
your cat tree, of course) and train your cats to us *only* those objects.
Cats can't be expected to know which items of furniture are acceptable and
which ones aren't.  That way, you won't have concerns if you get rid of
something that you don't mind being scratched (like your wicker table) but
replace it with something that you want to preserve.  Since you don't have
fingernails, you could emulate that same sound by using somethng -- possibly
even the closed end of a pen -- to make the same sound.  Cats do show clear
preferences for specific types of surfaces.  That's why we recommend getting
carpet, sisal, carboard, etc.  My cats have always liked upright posts, but
some prefer horizontal or angled surfaces.

MaryL
Charles Minus - 09 Mar 2005 02:47 GMT
Hi Paul:  I've never been able to get a cat to use  traditional cat
posts.  I think most of them are too low.  However, before you spend all
that dough, try this 8 dollar solution.  It's called the cat scratcher
and is made out of corrugated paper.  Lays flat on the floor and cats
love it.  i have to buy two at a time because my two cats litarally
fight over who gets to use it when I bring how a new one.

http://shop.petsmart.com/product/2534374302023690/2534374302023690/845524
441779929.htm

Can't guarantee it will save the furniture but it will sure help.  

Minus

> I got a big nice cat tree, and I'm having a hard time getting my cats
> to switch from my chairs to the tree.  I've covered it in catnip and
> put them on it, but they rarely go near the thing (even though it's
> right next to the chairs they like to scratch).  Any ideas?
>
> -paul

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