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catowned - 02 Mar 2005 05:18 GMT
How will my cat die?

Something I wonder when he's sleeping by me and I get a chance to think
about us and our future together.  Will he die of natural causes?  Will
he need to be put to sleep?

1.
What percentage of cats reach the end of their natural lives and the
owner discovers that it has passed away on its own?

2.
What percentage of cats have some sort of problem that the vet says is
terminal and the cat should be put to sleep?

I will disregard all but the slightest probability that he will be run
over because he is inside or on a leash while outside.  And I do my
best to eliminate any hazards around the home that might cause an
injury.

3.
I have promised my cat that he won't die in a vet's office.  If I have
to put him to sleep, will a vet come to our home and put him to sleep
here?  Has anyone in the group done this?

Thanks.

catowned
jacquie0 - 02 Mar 2005 17:39 GMT
> How will my cat die?
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> catowned
I am sure that if you do a google search for such statistics, you will
have the answers that you are looking for. As for a vet coming to your
home to perform euthanasia....I guess it depends on your vet and the
kind of relationship that you have with him/her.

Let's hope that you do not have to go through all of that for a long
time to come.

I have had both vet assisted and natural deaths among my previous cats,
and to be honest, it doesn't hurt any less either way.

When I was single, I had one cat that would never lay down beside me.
Then one night she decided to go to sleep beside me on the bed. She laid
down the full length of me. When I woke up in the morning, she was
staring at me. She had died in her sleep. Seeing as she decided to sleep
with me on her last night, I like to believe that it was her way of
saying "thank you" for all the years of care and love.
M.C. Mullen - 02 Mar 2005 18:35 GMT
| When I was single, I had one cat that would never lay down beside me.
| Then one night she decided to go to sleep beside me on the bed. She laid
| down the full length of me. When I woke up in the morning, she was
| staring at me. She had died in her sleep. Seeing as she decided to sleep
| with me on her last night, I like to believe that it was her way of
| saying "thank you" for all the years of care and love.

That's very touching - thank you for sharing :-(

I don't think it makes a difference if a cat dies at home or at a vet's.
It's just important that you hold it.

Carola
catowned - 03 Mar 2005 05:35 GMT
> I don't think it makes a difference if a cat dies at home or at a vet's.
> It's just important that you hold it.
> Carola

He hates going to the vet's office.  There's no reason for it, really,
because the vet is a very nice young lady who hasn't become inured to
suffering yet.  I need him to die at home where I can weep without
being a public nuisance about it, where the event can occur with the
least amount of stress on the animal.  In any event, he will be held.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

In article <04vVd.39252$Vf6.1128771@news20.bellglobal.com>, Richard
<superricky@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>      I don't think that your cat was paying you back.

It was nice thinking that he was.

> Cats are as much
> dependant on us as we are on them.  They have an obvious interest that we
> remain alive, if only for the food.  I believe that cats also develop deep
> love for us if we treat them well.  

I have never hit him or yelled at him.  That's been my first rule all
along.  I've never understood why people do that.  And he gets lots of
praise when he does anything, and he's always a "good boy, I love you"
maybe a dozen times a day.  He likes to be fed at 0500 hours, so he
tippytoes up the bed and very gently puts one paw on my head, then I
get up to feed him.  It's all bbout _him_ here all day and night, every
day, since we live alone with each other.  That's why I call myself
"catowned."

> When I am ill, my cats always stay close
> to me .  It really help me get better.  It help me because of their love but
> maybe also because purrs has been associated to healing.

That must be it.  I felt a lot better knowing that he cared enough to
spend so much time and effort purring next to me.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

In article <9MmdnS0SuezpDbvfRVn-hA@centurytel.net>, Gary Stone
<Eh@ram.net> wrote:

> Heck, seeing as how I'm an old fart and my cats are young, I wonder what
> they would do if I keel over and die. I quess for awhile they could eat me.
> Then it could be said, " That damn Gary, feeding the animals right through
> the end." Good argument for a cat door.

I worry about croaking before he does.  If he lives to be 15, then I
will be 70.  So this will be my last pet and I want very much to live
to see him die rather than the other way around.  If he dies before I'm
so old, then I might look for an older cat to adopt from a senior who
has to go to into managed care.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I still wish I knew the odds of this cat having to be put to sleep
rather than dying of natural causes.  Anyone?  I'm talking about an
end-of-life situation, not about an accident.
jacquie0 - 03 Mar 2005 06:38 GMT
>>I don't think it makes a difference if a cat dies at home or at a vet's.
>>It's just important that you hold it.
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> rather than dying of natural causes.  Anyone?  I'm talking about an
> end-of-life situation, not about an accident.

Catowned,

        There really is no way to be able to answer your question. It
really all depends on you and your cat. If you treat your cat properly,
(which it sounds like you do), and take it to the vet for regular check
ups and vacinations, then chances are that your cat will live a long and
happy life. If for some reason your cat is succeptible to some kind of
terminal illness, then it could be a shorter life. I would suggest that
you love your four legged furry friend as much as you can, and enjoy the
time that you have together. I know that it's not what you really want
to hear, but in reality, that is all any of us cat lovers can do.
May you both be blest with long and healthy lives.

                          Jacquie.
M.C. Mullen - 03 Mar 2005 10:41 GMT
| I still wish I knew the odds of this cat having to be put to sleep
| rather than dying of natural causes.  Anyone?  I'm talking about an
| end-of-life situation, not about an accident.

I believe in our days more pets die at the vet's than at home.
In olden days people either did not care or 'helped' with a rifle.
But then you can use today's blessings and give your cat painkillers if it
comes to it.
Btw how old is your cat??

Carola
Chris Street - 03 Mar 2005 21:57 GMT
>> I don't think it makes a difference if a cat dies at home or at a vet's.
>> It's just important that you hold it.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> being a public nuisance about it, where the event can occur with the
> least amount of stress on the animal.  In any event, he will be held.

A small tip should it ever come to it. Most vets will allow you to settle
up later (well they will in the UK if you've been a regular customer) but
if not, pay first as it's not a good thing to be scrabbliong for cards,
cash etc when all you want to do is get out and go home.
catowned - 02 Mar 2005 22:25 GMT
> I have had both vet assisted and natural deaths among my previous cats,
> and to be honest, it doesn't hurt any less either way.

I promised him a passing in familiar surroundings if at all possible.

> When I was single, I had one cat that would never lay down beside me.
> Then one night she decided to go to sleep beside me on the bed. She laid
> down the full length of me. When I woke up in the morning, she was
> staring at me. She had died in her sleep. Seeing as she decided to sleep
> with me on her last night, I like to believe that it was her way of
> saying "thank you" for all the years of care and love.

A sad but wonderful anecdote.  I can't wait to tell it to my friends
who have lots of cats.  It's a Readers Digest sort of story, you know.

My kittyboy and I live by ourselves.  When I was very ill with the flu
(the worst illness I'd ever had, and now I understand how/why people
die from it), he parked himself on the bed next to me like a sphinx and
purred for the better part of two days.  He hasn't done that before or
since.

When he was a little kitty, he had been abandoned in a remote area.  By
the time he got to my door, he was very sick.  I held him close for two
nights until I thought he would make it.  After that, he recovered
quickly and became a wonderful pet.

Do you think he was paying me back?  It's a nice thought.  I suppose,
tho, that he knew that I was in trouble and he did the best he could
for me without any other consideration.  

The thought that this little guy will be around only for a few more
years is very distressing to me.  He and I are, as they say, simpatico.
Richard - 03 Mar 2005 02:59 GMT
>> I have had both vet assisted and natural deaths among my previous cats,
>> and to be honest, it doesn't hurt any less either way.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> The thought that this little guy will be around only for a few more
> years is very distressing to me.  He and I are, as they say, simpatico.

Hi,

    I don't think that your cat was paying you back.  Cats are as much
dependant on us as we are on them.  They have an obvious interest that we
remain alive, if only for the  food.  I believe that cats also develop deep
love for us if we treat them well.  When I am ill, my cats always stay close
to me .  It really help me get better.  It help me because of their love but
maybe also because purrs has been associated to healing.

          Richard
Gary Stone - 03 Mar 2005 04:20 GMT
> How will my cat die?
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> catowned

Heck, seeing as how I'm an old fart and my cats are young, I wonder what
they would do if I keel over and die. I quess for awhile they could eat me.
Then it could be said, " That damn Gary, feeding the animals right through
the end." Good argument for a cat door.

Stone
L. Ron Waddle - 03 Mar 2005 06:45 GMT
> Heck, seeing as how I'm an old fart and my cats are young, I wonder what
> they would do if I keel over and die. I quess for awhile they could eat me.
> Then it could be said, " That damn Gary, feeding the animals right through
> the end." Good argument for a cat door.

Also a good argument for a no-kill animal shelter that will take the
cat back (guaranteed) if you must enter managed care or if you
die. Adopt an older cat from the shelter, one that no one else will
adopt because they're older cats. That way even if you croak before
the cat, at least he will have had a few years of love and kindness
before having to return to the shelter.

- Elron
DW - 03 Mar 2005 15:25 GMT
> > Something I wonder when he's sleeping by me and I get a chance to think
> > about us and our future together.  Will he die of natural causes?  Will
> > he need to be put to sleep?
The only way to really know is get a delorian and go into
the future.

The best thing you can do at this point is take care of your
cat one day at a time.    You never know when the end will come
or where.   I've had cats die at home, i've also had cats who
had to be put to sleep at the vet.  Either way it is very hard
and no less painful.

> > What percentage of cats reach the end of their natural lives and the
> > owner discovers that it has passed away on its own?
I've never seen any figures.

> > 2.
> > What percentage of cats have some sort of problem that the vet says is
> > terminal and the cat should be put to sleep?
I've never seen any figures.

> > 3.
> > I have promised my cat that he won't die in a vet's office.  If I have
> > to put him to sleep, will a vet come to our home and put him to sleep
> > here?  Has anyone in the group done this?
Some vets will come to your house.  Not common but also not
entirely unheard of.

> Heck, seeing as how I'm an old fart and my cats are young, I wonder what
> they would do if I keel over and die. I quess for awhile they could eat me.
> Then it could be said, " That damn Gary, feeding the animals right through
> the end." Good argument for a cat door.
Many an elderly person has been in the position.   Some will
dictate in their will that the pet be taken care of by xxxxxxx
or be put to sleep and buried with them (i've never understood
this....why should the pet die when the human does.......
especially if the pet is in good health and has many
years left.)

I would add there are instances where someone will
die and their pets will be found a few weeks later.

Every case is different.

And then there is the case what would happen if you're hit by
a bus on your way to work today.   What would happen to your
pet?

The best you can do is prepare a will for the inevitable day.
After all we are all going to die, it's only a question of when.
(Unless your name is Duncan McLeod.)
M.C. Mullen - 03 Mar 2005 19:13 GMT
| And then there is the case what would happen if you're hit by
| a bus on your way to work today.   What would happen to your
| pet?

And vice versa.

| The best you can do is prepare a will for the inevitable day.
| After all we are all going to die, it's only a question of when.
| (Unless your name is Duncan McLeod.)

Now who is that?

Carola
DW - 03 Mar 2005 21:10 GMT
> | The best you can do is prepare a will for the inevitable day.
> | After all we are all going to die, it's only a question of when.
> | (Unless your name is Duncan McLeod.)
>
> Now who is that?
Duncan McLeod is an immortal on the show Highlander.
It was a tv series that ran for a number of years
and spurred some movies.
jacquie0 - 03 Mar 2005 21:28 GMT
>>| The best you can do is prepare a will for the inevitable day.
>>| After all we are all going to die, it's only a question of when.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It was a tv series that ran for a number of years
> and spurred some movies.

I knew that I recognized that name from somewhere. Thanks for reminding
me. I was going nuts trying to remember where I knew it from.
catowned - 03 Mar 2005 22:03 GMT
From: Rhonda @ attremovethis.net
> Of the four cats we have lost, all were sick for some time before. We
> knew it was a matter of time for all.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> died one night, maybe a stroke or heart attack, but ours have all given
> us warning that the time was coming.

Rhonda: I'm starting to get the impression that it's about 50/50 as far
as
natural versus euthanization is concerned.  He teaches me so may things,
so I expect that whatever happens it will be another of his lessons.

From: John Ross Mc Master @ cathouse.meow>
> I called in a vet to my house to kill my beautiful pussycat when the
> cancer got too painful for her. It was the hardest decision I ever
> made.

You're the only one I know of who's done that.  It's the way I will
handle it and I don't expect it to be easy (just more humane for him
and me).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: jacquie0 @ jacquie0
>         There really is no way to be able to answer your question. It
> really all depends on you and your cat. If you treat your cat properly,
> (which it sounds like you do), and take it to the vet for regular check
> ups and vacinations, then chances are that your cat will live a long and
> happy life.

I do, I do, and I hope so.

> If for some reason your cat is succeptible to some kind of
> terminal illness, then it could be a shorter life. I would suggest that
> you love your four legged furry friend as much as you can, and enjoy the
> time that you have together. I know that it's not what you really want
> to hear, but in reality, that is all any of us cat lovers can do.
> May you both be blest with long and healthy lives.  Jacquie.

He may live 10 more years if he has a good run.  I don't have a health
plan, but he does (me).  We enjoy every day together, but I can't help
but look ahead because I'm old enough now to know that a decade is a
very short time.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "L. Ron Waddle" @y ahoo.com>
> Also a good argument for a no-kill animal shelter that will take the
> cat back (guaranteed) if you must enter managed care or if you
> die. Adopt an older cat from the shelter, one that no one else will
> adopt because they're older cats. That way even if you croak before
> the cat, at least he will have had a few years of love and kindness
> before having to return to the shelter.

Wouldn't it be neat to run a shelter like that, have lots of cats
around, and be able to welcome back old friends?  I just wish I
could find a place that boards cats for maybe a week or two where
there aren't any dogs or callous attendents.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "DW" <DrWoodardOnDS@hotmail.com>
>> Will he die of natural causes?  Will
>> he need to be put to sleep?

> The only way to really know is get a delorian and go into
> the future.

I might find out more than I really want to know.

> The best thing you can do at this point is take care of your
> cat one day at a time.    You never know when the end will come
> or where.   I've had cats die at home, i've also had cats who
> had to be put to sleep at the vet.  Either way it is very hard
> and no less painful.

We do the "one day at a time" thing.  I thank him and God every
night for the day we've had, and when I wake up in the morning
my kittyboy is right there waiting for me to say "good morning,
look little guy, we have another day together."  But sometimes
before going to sleep I see him sleeping next to me on the bed and
wonder what it will be like without him, when and how he will go,
etc., and then I go to sleep.

One thing that makes me wonder is why he is never in any of my
dreams.

>> What percentage of cats reach the end of their natural lives and
>> the owner discovers that it has passed away on its own?

> I've never seen any figures.

I get the drift that there is no predominant way or place to die,
natural causes or being put to sleep.  

>> will a vet come to our home and put him to
>> sleep here?  Has anyone in the group done this?

> Some vets will come to your house.  Not common but also not
> entirely unheard of.

I mentioned my fears to the vet and she said not to worry, he's got
a long run ahead of him yet.  Then the vet, who was this wonderful
lady and our mentor as far as things cat are concerned, had a stroke
and died.  So I've not really had my concerns addressed.  I haven't
asked the new vet yet.  She's a young lady vet and I'll wait until
she knows me and the cat better before asking.

> Many an elderly person has been in the position.   Some will
> dictate in their will that the pet be taken care of by xxxxxxx
> or be put to sleep and buried with them (i've never understood
> this....why should the pet die when the human does.......
> especially if the pet is in good health and has many
> years left.)

I have a friend who says his family will take my kittyboy if
something happens to me.  But they're even older than I am, so I
could be taking one of their cats instead.  It will put me in
a tight spot because my landlord holds the line on one pet per
unit.  Oh, I can have a second person because I'm paying for two
people and one pet, but no substitutions allowed.

> I would add there are instances where someone will
> die and their pets will be found a few weeks later.

I hope it doesn't come to that.  If people don't hear from me
for weeks they think nothing of it, so it will probably be
non-payment of rent that triggers an investigation.

> And then there is the case what would happen if you're hit by
> a bus on your way to work today.   What would happen to your
> pet?

Fortunately, I'm retired.  When I leave, like if I go to the
big city for a day to visit family, I leave a full bucket of
water out and the lid loose on his food container in case I
can't come home.

> The best you can do is prepare a will for the inevitable day.
> After all we are all going to die, it's only a question of when.
> (Unless your name is Duncan McLeod.)

That went right over my head.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

"M.C. Mullen" @ freesurf.invalid.ch>
| I still wish I knew the odds of this cat having to be put to sleep
| rather than dying of natural causes.  Anyone?  I'm talking about an
| end-of-life situation, not about an accident.

> I believe in our days more pets die at the vet's than at home.
> In olden days people either did not care or 'helped' with a rifle.
> But then you can use today's blessings and give your cat painkillers
> if it comes to it.  Btw how old is your cat??

He's 35 years old.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks, everyone.

catowned
Chris Street - 03 Mar 2005 22:00 GMT
>>> Something I wonder when he's sleeping by me and I get a chance to
> think
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> a bus on your way to work today.   What would happen to your
> pet?

My will states that my cats must be found suitable homes. If not and they
have to be surrendered to Cats Protection then their payout from the will
doubles to 30%....
Gary Stone - 03 Mar 2005 22:08 GMT
snip
> My will states that my cats must be found suitable homes. If not and they
> have to be surrendered to Cats Protection then their payout from the will
> doubles to 30%....

I'll make it so my cats inherit my youngest brother.

Stone
Rhonda - 03 Mar 2005 04:48 GMT
Hi there,

Of the four cats we have lost, all were sick for some time before. We
knew it was a matter of time for all.

Two of them we had euthanized, two others died on their own, although
one was very, very sick, and we brought her home from the hospital to
spend her last days with us -- and she died that night. We probably
should have spared her that trip home but we wanted her with us.

There is one person I know of who had an apparently healthy cat who just
died one night, maybe a stroke or heart attack, but ours have all given
us warning that the time was coming.

Rhonda

> How will my cat die?
>
> Something I wonder when he's sleeping by me and I get a chance to think
> about us and our future together.  Will he die of natural causes?  Will
> he need to be put to sleep?
DW - 03 Mar 2005 15:32 GMT
> There is one person I know of who had an apparently healthy cat who just
> died one night, maybe a stroke or heart attack, but ours have all given
> us warning that the time was coming.
A number of years ago I got up at about 2 in the morning to
do my Tai Chi and found one of my cats dead on the floor.
(Probably a heart attack but an autopsy found nothing.)
The cat was only about three years old, my theory is
she didn't know when she was tired and needed to rest.  She
frequently would get exhausted running around and I could
never get her to rest unless I picked her up which she
didn't want done.

She did not want to rest.
John Ross Mc Master - 03 Mar 2005 05:25 GMT
>How will my cat die?
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>to put him to sleep, will a vet come to our home and put him to sleep
>here?  Has anyone in the group done this?

I called in a vet to my house to kill my beautiful pussycat when the
cancer got too painful for her. It was the hardest decision I ever
made.
>Thanks.
>
>catowned

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