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Why does licking turn into fighting?

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Vilkas - 07 Jan 2004 23:08 GMT
I have a 5 year old Bengal female, and an almost 2 year old female mutt cat.
Since i brought the kitten home lat year, my older car had attempted to lick
its face and whatnot.  It looks very sweet, however, it quickly turns into a
wrestling match.  The younger cat seems disgusted to have to put up with a
face grooming...

Is grooming a dominant behaviour?  Or is it a loving behaviour?  The kitten
submitts to it for longer now, before she retaliates with claws, but it
never comes out good.  I know having 2 female (spayed) cats isn't the best
idea, but it's what I've got.

Iy's mostly play fights that the kitties engagein daily, but I still have
that idealistic hope that they will snuggle and love each other...  Is the
fact that they can't lick each other without fighting a bad sign?

TIA
GovtLawyer - 08 Jan 2004 00:16 GMT
>I have a 5 year old Bengal female, and an almost 2 year old female mutt cat.
>Since i brought the kitten home lat year, my older car had attempted to lick
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>that idealistic hope that they will snuggle and love each other...  Is the
>fact that they can't lick each other without fighting a bad sign?

Many years ago I had two cats who loved each other dearly.  The female did
something, repeatedly, which had I owned a camcorder would have made America's
Funniest Home Videos.  My male cat would sit facing her and she would begin to
lick and groom his face.  She would spend at least 5 to 10 minutes grooming
every part of his face and head and ears.  He would sit contentedly and she
would really get into it.  When she would finish, she would pause for a moment,
look at him, and then smack in the face and run away.  She did this time after
time, and he sat for it, time after time.  Every time she did it I absolutelu
cracked up.  I never figured out what it was all about.

I think it may be similar to when you are petting your cat and all of a sudden
you can tell he is getting too much of a good thing and gets to the point where
he can't take it anymore, and he runs off.   I just don't know.
Sherry - 08 Jan 2004 04:37 GMT
>When she would finish, she would pause for a moment,
>look at him, and then smack in the face and run away.  

This post just made me laugh. We have *got* to find out the reason for this
behavior, because Bootsie does the same thing *to the dog*. She rubs, rubs,
rubs on his face, licks him a little, then smacks him and runs. The poor dumb
dog just sits there stiff-legged with this *look*...oh GAWD, she's going to
smack me next. It's just too funny.
Sherry
GovtLawyer - 08 Jan 2004 16:45 GMT
>>When she would finish, she would pause for a moment,
>>look at him, and then smack in the face and run away.  
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>smack me next. It's just too funny.
>Sherry

Don't you just love it.  I used to sit there, and if company was over I would
stop everything and tell them to just watch.  They would all wait and wait as
she groomed Muggsy, and they would say, OK, so what.  I would say, just wait,
hang on.  Then Turkey (that's right, Turkey, a gift from my brother on
Thanksgiving day 1974) would stop, look Muggsy in the eye, smack him across the
face and run off.  Everyone would crack up.  Oh, how I wish I had been able to
catch that on video.
The Charmed One - 08 Jan 2004 10:08 GMT
> >I have a 5 year old Bengal female, and an almost 2 year old female mutt cat.
> >Since i brought the kitten home lat year, my older car had attempted to lick
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> you can tell he is getting too much of a good thing and gets to the point where
> he can't take it anymore, and he runs off.   I just don't know.

LOL
The Mother cat does this still to her two male Son's all the time.  And they
are 13 months old, lol.

Nat
M.C. Mullen - 08 Jan 2004 17:55 GMT
| > Many years ago I had two cats who loved each other dearly.  The female did
| > something, repeatedly, which had I owned a camcorder would have made
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
|
| Nat

Mummy's boys obviously LOL
Hope Munro Smith - 09 Jan 2004 01:00 GMT
> | > Many years ago I had two cats who loved each other dearly.  The female
> did
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>
> Mummy's boys obviously LOL

My female cat always does that to my male cat.
Only he'd start struggling and she'd bat him to keep
him in line!
Kalyahna - 08 Jan 2004 01:03 GMT
> I have a 5 year old Bengal female, and an almost 2 year old female mutt cat.
> Since i brought the kitten home lat year, my older car had attempted to lick
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> TIA

I think it's sort of dominant. I have two orange girls, mother and daughter,
and occasionally they perform what I refer to as the 'double grooming
technique.' They flop on the floor and lick each other's faces. Eventually,
one or the other (usually whoever's losing the battle) gets fed up and
starts swiping. Then they wrestle. But it normally ends up with mom grooming
daughter as if to point out that she's older, she's wiser, and she's in
charge.
Cheryl - 08 Jan 2004 02:24 GMT
> Is grooming a dominant behaviour?  

For the groomer, it is most definately a dominant behavior. Rarely have
I seen a dominant cat submit to being groomed, though I have seen it.
One who struggles to stay dominant doesn't like to tolarate it, though
one secure will. Cats, go figure.

>Is the fact that they can't lick each other without fighting
> a bad sign?

I think what you write sounds promising.  Try to engage in play with
both of them together as a group more often.

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Orchid - 08 Jan 2004 04:58 GMT
>I have a 5 year old Bengal female, and an almost 2 year old female mutt cat.
>Since i brought the kitten home lat year, my older car had attempted to lick
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>never comes out good.  I know having 2 female (spayed) cats isn't the best
>idea, but it's what I've got.

    It's a combination of loving and dominance.  Allogrooming
(grooming each other) is only done between members of a clique, but
most of the grooming is usually done by the dominant cat.
    I have two Bengals boys, littermates, who love each other
dearly.  They were the only two in the litter, and they have never
been separated in their entire lives.  They do the 'groom and then
wrestle' thing *constantly*.  I wouldn't worry about it too much.  :)

>Iy's mostly play fights that the kitties engagein daily, but I still have
>that idealistic hope that they will snuggle and love each other...  Is the
>fact that they can't lick each other without fighting a bad sign?

    Nope.  Wrestling is not fighting -- fighting is deadly serious
and involves blood and/or large patches of flying fur.  It sounds like
they enjoy each other's company -- snuggling together will come
eventually, probably when they both settle down a little.

Orchid
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