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Todd Palino - 22 Feb 2005 03:22 GMT
I'm at my wits end on this one.  I really need some help, because I'm
just about done trying to accomodate this cat.  Basically, one of our
cats poops outside the litterbox just about every single time.  She
urinates in the litterbox without a problem.

Some background.  We have 4 cats and 2 beagles.  Two of the cats
(Pixie and Smudge) are about 9 years old, and I've had them since they
were kittens.  They're not littermates, but I adopted them from the
same shelter within a couple weeks of each other.  Our problem cat
(Aubrey) and her littermate (PeeJee) are a little over a year and a
half old.  We got them when they were about 2 months old as "free
kittens" (a local couple had a pregnant cat show up on their doorstep,
and they took care of her and the kittens until the kittens were old
enough to be separated).  The beagles are 8 and 9 years old.  The
older (Daisy) has been with my wife since she was a puppy, and has
lived with the two older cats for almost 5 years now.  The younger
(Nikki) we adopted a couple months before the kittens.  All animals
are female.  The 3 we've had longer have moved several times, but the
other 3 have only lived in our current house with us (obviously, Nikki
has had other homes).

When we first got Aubrey, she appeared to be using the litterbox just
fine.  We kept her and her sister confined for a week or so, so we
were able to have both of them checked out by the vet before we
started introducing everyone.  After they were cleared, we spent
another week or so introducing everyone before we let them have full
run of the house.  We had the kittens spayed within a few weeks after
that (I can't recall exactly when).  As far as we can remember, we've
had a problem with her defecation ever since then, though we may have
had a problem before she was spayed and are just forgetting.  PeeJee
has never had a problem.

Originally, we had 1 litterbox.  When we let the kittens have free
roam of the house, we added a second, hoping that would be enough.  We
have since added 3 more litterboxes (for a total of 5), in a variety
of locations.  Aubrey knows where they all are, and uses at least 2 of
them for urinating.  One of those doesn't appear to be used by any of
the other cats, and the other looks like it's not used by either of
the older cats.  We have tried at least 7 different kinds of litter,
including S'Wheat Scoop, WBCL, Cat Attract, a few other different clay
litters (clumping and not), a citrus litter, and two different kinds
of crystals.  Currently, we have 3 boxes with crystals, and two with
Tidy Cat multiple cats (non-clumping) clay litter.  Last night, Aubrey
pooped outside the litterbox in the laundry room, and covered it with
a towel.  Then this morning, when I found it, she was in the same
litterbox urinating.  This evening, she pooped in the middle of the
kitchen (not near a litterbox), which would appear to be a new and
different twist.

In addition, some other behavior has started lately.  She's spent a
lot more time on the counters and tables, specifically destroying a
couple floral arrangements.  But the worst new behavior, by far, is
with the water bottle.  She's always been a little fascinated by
water.  She loves to wait outside the shower for us, and will often go
in the shower right afterwards.  If we leave a toilet seat up, we'll
find her staring into the bowl.  For well over a year now, we've had a
5 gallon water bottle in the kitchen, under a desk next to a cabinet,
that all of the animals use.  For a while, she's enjoyed jumping on
top of the bottle.  Recently, she's figured out how to topple the
water bottle.  She's done it at least 3 times, with the most recent
being right after we filled it.  We've since put a cast iron pan on
top of the water bottle, so she can't get on top of it anymore.

I'll try and answer a few possible questions.  We've taken her to the
vet a couple times, and there isn't anything medically wrong with her.
We've never had any problems with any sort of spraying.  The only cat
that has a problem with either of the beagles is Smudge, and she
largely just stays away from them.  We have areas where the cats can
be and not be bothered by the dogs.  All of the cats are indoor only,
and we have a locking doggie door that lets the beagles go outside but
not the cats.  The cats all free feed, and the dogs are fed twice a
day.  It doesn't appear to be a multiple cat problem, because we have
plenty of litterboxes including one that only Aubrey uses.  We've gone
through a range of litters with different textures and scents, and
tried several different kinds of boxes, both open and closed.  And I
am obsessive about cleaning all of the boxes before I go to bed each
night.  Additionally, I thoroughly clean and de-scent the spots where
she defecates outside the litterbox.

At this point, I don't know what to do anymore.  We're investigating
places we can send her where she'll be well taken care of (with no
chance of being put down).  But she doesn't appear to want to be an
outside cat.  On at least a couple occassions, one of the doors of the
house has stood open for an extended period of time and she stays
inside.

It pains me greatly to be at this point, but I just don't know what to
do anymore.  All of our pets are family, but I can't deal with this
problem anymore when we've tried everything I can think of.  And my
wife is now pregnant with our first child, and this will become a
greater problem with a child in the house.  It's bad enough that the
beagles "clean up" after Aubrey most of the time (which has deluded us
into thinking the problem was solved at a couple points).  This just
can't happen when we have a child crawling around.  I want to make it
clear that we're not at this point *because* of the child on the way.
It's just yet another piece of this problem.

I won't let her be put down, not over something like this.  And I
won't send her to anyone where she might be neglected or mistreated.
The places we're checking out are relatives of good friends, or local
rescue organizations that fit those criteria.  I'd much rather solve
the problem and keep Aubrey with us, but I am completely out of ideas.
I need some help.  Please.  I'll try almost anything to solve Aubrey's
issues.

-Todd
tracyrose@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2005 03:49 GMT
Okay. I'm going to hazard a guess that she's a sensitive girl and she's
really overstimulated with three other cats and two dogs. Not all cats
thrive in a sixi-animal situation and I think she's expressing her
unhappiness. It does sound like you've tried most of the logical
things. In this case, based on your description, you might be
well-served to look at whether a local no-kill could assist you in
locating an only cat or maybe just one other cat home for her. She's
still a young cat and a year and a half and will be much easier to
re-home now then in a few years when she's older and the bad behavior
is more deeply entrenched. Where are you located?
Mary - 22 Feb 2005 03:54 GMT
> Okay. I'm going to hazard a guess that she's a sensitive girl and she's
> really overstimulated with three other cats and two dogs. Not all cats
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> re-home now then in a few years when she's older and the bad behavior
> is more deeply entrenched. Where are you located?

You want this man to get rid of this cat he has had for a year and a
half over this?? Jesus.
tracyrose@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2005 05:29 GMT
"You want this man to get rid of this cat he has had for a year and a
half over this?? Jesus".

No, I don't. I'd like him to keep cleaning it up for eternity if that's
what it takes, but I'm hearing him say he is not going to be willing to
do that forever. And I don't have anything to suggest (more boxes,
different litter, box placement) that he hasn't already tried. And it's
a heck of a lot easier to rehome a cat at a year and a half than it's
going to be when the cat is 3,4,5 years old.  He said he'd rather solve
the problem, so why don't you suggest something that might work for
him? To me, it sounds like a cat that is having trouble coping with
being one of six. It happens. No one is saying to "get rid" of the cat.
It's about finding an environment where the cat will thrive, rather
than acting out in a permanent state of protest.
dug88 - 28 Feb 2005 01:50 GMT
in the good ole days
every thing was done for us
we lived in grace
our parents usually took all our pain
and they also fixed everything

this is jus a comment of that
got responsibility but could f.cking care less
feed the animal the cheapest food
make it live in a litter box that the next door neighbours run from.
when it gets sick
lets kill it

my cats come to the vbathroom with me in the morning and each waits her
turn.
bathroom is not a terorr
it is just a time for us to get together

so we play and i stay on the throne a few minutes

BUTT TELL YA WHAT
if i sleep in a few minutes they are first to tell me to wake up my buddy.
the electonic clock is nothing to the bilogical clock of my luil buddies

so i sleep in ten minutes and yes they will bite my nose off
and i love them for that

> "You want this man to get rid of this cat he has had for a year and a
> half over this?? Jesus".
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> It's about finding an environment where the cat will thrive, rather
> than acting out in a permanent state of protest.
Todd Palino - 22 Feb 2005 22:39 GMT
>Okay. I'm going to hazard a guess that she's a sensitive girl and she's
>really overstimulated with three other cats and two dogs. Not all cats
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>re-home now then in a few years when she's older and the bad behavior
>is more deeply entrenched. Where are you located?

This is definitely one of the reasons that I've thought of for finding
her a new home.  But it still doesn't seem to track with her behavior.
She shows no other signs of a problem with any of the other animals.
She loves her littermate, and she gets along very well with both of
the dogs.  She doesn't interact nearly as much with the two older cats
(more their choice than hers), but there's no signs of aggression
between them, from either side.

We're still trying to work on the problem.  Finding her a new home is
a last resort, and if and when that is the ultimate answer, we have a
few options around here already.

Thanks,
Todd
Sandra - 22 Feb 2005 08:26 GMT
The only thing I can think of, and I may be completely wrong, is that maybe
she does not like the smell of the litterbox - not because of the litter,
but because of the smell of whatever you use to clean it? You say you are
fastidious about the cleaning, some cats hate the smell of products. It
wouldn't explain why she uses the box to urinate but maybe that is just a
quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to train her again,like you
would a kitten. Best of luck, I hope you don't have to re home her.

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Mary - 22 Feb 2005 17:17 GMT
> The only thing I can think of, and I may be completely wrong, is that maybe
> she does not like the smell of the litterbox - not because of the litter,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to train her again,like you
> would a kitten. Best of luck, I hope you don't have to re home her.

I have been mulling the OP's post over since last night, and this is the
only
thing I could offer. I did want to mention to the OP too, that this topic
(Inappropriate elimination) comes up a lot as it seems to be one of the
most common problems. A google search of this group using the
words "outside of cat box" or somesuch terms might yield a wealth
of information if nobody comes up with much else soon.
KellyH - 22 Feb 2005 21:20 GMT
> The only thing I can think of, and I may be completely wrong, is that
> maybe she does not like the smell of the litterbox - not because of the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> again,like you would a kitten. Best of luck, I hope you don't have to re
> home her.

My only other suggestions are Feliway diffusers, and confining Aubrey to one
room with food, water, and litterbox.  This may give you the answer if she
is overstimulated in your house.  I was also thinking, with the
water-tipping and such, maybe she needs more attention from the humans?  If
you confine her, spend some quality one-on-one time with her.  Do you play
with her with interactive toys?

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kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

Mary - 22 Feb 2005 23:01 GMT
> My only other suggestions are Feliway diffusers, and confining Aubrey to one
> room with food, water, and litterbox.  This may give you the answer if she
> is overstimulated in your house.

Kelly this is a GREAT idea!!
Todd Palino - 23 Feb 2005 02:23 GMT
>My only other suggestions are Feliway diffusers, and confining Aubrey to one
>room with food, water, and litterbox.  This may give you the answer if she
>is overstimulated in your house.  I was also thinking, with the
>water-tipping and such, maybe she needs more attention from the humans?  If
>you confine her, spend some quality one-on-one time with her.  Do you play
>with her with interactive toys?

I was thinking about the attention thing.  We generally give her all
the attention she wants whenever she wants it, but we haven't been
playing much with her lately.  Mostly just she comes over, we pet her,
or she curls up with us, and then later she goes away.  Or she plays
with her sister a lot.

Tonight I played with all the cats, and particularly Aubrey, for a
while.  We have plenty of toys around (like Da Bird) that she likes,
and she definitely was energetic about play.  We'll see how tonight
goes.

Oh, and we've tried confining her in the past, and it doesn't seem to
help.

Thanks,
Todd
Mary - 23 Feb 2005 02:47 GMT
> Oh, and we've tried confining her in the past, and it doesn't seem to
> help.

So even confined she still poops beside the box?
Todd Palino - 23 Feb 2005 22:19 GMT
>So even confined she still poops beside the box?

Yup.  Although, if last night is any tell, the trick is to have a
couple litterboxes next to each other.  I'm crossing my fingers on
this one.

-Todd
Mary - 23 Feb 2005 22:59 GMT
> >So even confined she still poops beside the box?
>
> Yup.  Although, if last night is any tell, the trick is to have a
> couple litterboxes next to each other.  I'm crossing my fingers on
> this one.

Cathy was right! Good for her and you. I will remember this
next time someone asks.
Cathy Friedmann - 24 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT
> > >So even confined she still poops beside the box?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Cathy was right! Good for her and you. I will remember this
> next time someone asks.

But of course I was right. <smirk>  ;-)

I instinctively tried it with debbie that time (in the late 80's, I think it
was) & it worked.  And then since reading this ng for the past several
years, have seen others mention it, too - so I guess it's a fairly common
scenario.

Cathy
Steve G - 22 Feb 2005 21:40 GMT
(...)
> quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to
> train her again,like you would a kitten. Best of
> luck, I hope you don't have to re home her.

Yes, I would try confining her to one easily-cleaned room, and seeing
if she'll consistently use her litterbox therein.

Steve.
Cathy Friedmann - 22 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT
> (...)
> > quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Yes, I would try confining her to one easily-cleaned room, and seeing
> if she'll consistently use her litterbox therein.

With 2 or 3 boxes all in a row.

Cathy

> Steve.
Mary - 22 Feb 2005 23:03 GMT
> > (...)
> > > quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> With 2 or 3 boxes all in a row.

What is the point of that?
Cathy Friedmann - 22 Feb 2005 23:10 GMT
> > > (...)
> > > > quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> What is the point of that?

Huh??  Cats who poop outside the litterbox often respond well when more than
one is supplied.  This poster initially said that the cats have a bunch of
boxes, but even so, the cat is peeing in them, but pooping outside of the
boxes.  If the cat is isolated in an easy-to-clean room & has more than one
box available in that room, then the cat is more likely to use the boxes for
both peeong & pooping.

Cathy
Mary - 22 Feb 2005 23:20 GMT
> > > > (...)
> > > > > quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Huh??  Cats who poop outside the litterbox often respond well when more than
> one is supplied.

I don't think people who have had success with this placed two or three
boxes all in a row when
the cat was in a room all by itself. I think they placed the boxes all over.
I think a single box
for a cat that is confined to a room will suffice.

This poster initially said that the cats have a bunch of
> boxes, but even so, the cat is peeing in them, but pooping outside of the
> boxes.  If the cat is isolated in an easy-to-clean room & has more than one
> box available in that room, then the cat is more likely to use the boxes for
> both peeong & pooping.
>
> Cathy
Cathy Friedmann - 23 Feb 2005 00:21 GMT
> "Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > "Mary" <marys@catlovernospam.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > >
> > > What is the point of that?

> > Huh??  Cats who poop outside the litterbox often respond well when more
> than
> > one is supplied.

> I don't think people who have had success with this placed two or three
> boxes all in a row when
> the cat was in a room all by itself. I think they placed the boxes all over.
> I think a single box
> for a cat that is confined to a room will suffice.

It worked for Debbie when she was young & often pooped outside of the box,
yet peed in it.  She wasn't confined to one room, but I put 3 (or 4??- can't
remember it was about 15 years ago) litter boxes all in a row, & lo &
behold, she stopped pooping outside of the box.

I don't know Debbie's reason for multiple boxes in a row working (a - she
never told me!, & b - I never noticed a particular pattern as to which boxes
she used for which function), but from what others have said here, some cats
prefer two separate boxes: one for pooping, one for peeing.

I figure, given this (the one of the thread) cat's problem, that having
access to 2 boxes certainly can't hurt.

Cathy

> This poster initially said that the cats have a bunch of
> > boxes, but even so, the cat is peeing in them, but pooping outside of the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >
> > Cathy
Mary - 23 Feb 2005 00:59 GMT
> It worked for Debbie when she was young & often pooped outside of the box,
> yet peed in it.  She wasn't confined to one room, but I put 3 (or 4??- can't
> remember it was about 15 years ago) litter boxes all in a row, & lo &
> behold, she stopped pooping outside of the box.

Hmm, interesting. Then I see why you recommended it! That is the first I
have
heard of this suggestion, hence my question.

> I don't know Debbie's reason for multiple boxes in a row working (a - she
> never told me!, & b - I never noticed a particular pattern as to which boxes
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Cathy

Yes. ANYTHING that might work is what I would try. Inappropriate
elimination is hard to live with.
Steve G - 23 Feb 2005 23:42 GMT
> > It worked for Debbie when she was young & often pooped outside
> > of the box, yet peed in it.  She wasn't confined to one room,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Hmm, interesting. Then I see why you recommended it! That is the first I
> have heard of this suggestion, hence my question.

Can also load the different boxes with different litters, and so
establish the cat's preference.

Steve.
Todd Palino - 23 Feb 2005 02:26 GMT
>With 2 or 3 boxes all in a row.

Great idea, Cathy.  I was actually considering trying this earlier if
uncovering the litterboxes didn't work (which it didn't).  Tonight I
moved the litterbox that doesn't get much use up in our bathroom down
to the laundry room, right next to another box.  We already have 2
litterboxes together in another room downstairs, but the two older
cats use those primarily.

We'll see how she does tonight after plenty of attention and playtime,
and having a new litterbox layout in the room where she's been doing
most of her pooping.  I'm actually kinda glad that uncovering the
litterboxes didn't work, because that was going to be a big problem
for us (a couple messy cats, plus we don't have a lot of good places
to have uncovered boxes right now).  I'm just hoping that something
else does work.

Thanks,
Todd
Cathy Friedmann - 23 Feb 2005 03:16 GMT
> >With 2 or 3 boxes all in a row.
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thanks,
> Todd

You're welcome.  I hope it does work; as I mentioned in another reply
today - to Mary, somewhere else in this thread - it worked for one of my
cats who was pooping outside of the litter box.  Not instantaneously, but
within a reasonably good time frame - a few days, IIRC.  (This happened
about 15 years ago, or so.)  I had 3 (maybe 4?) boxes all lined up.  After
she was consistently using them for both functions for a long while, I then
gradually reduced them down to 2 boxes.

Just remember - there's always the other side of the coin: be glad she's not
peeing outside of the litter box - really; that is much harder to clean up &
get rid of, odor-wise!

Cathy
Todd Palino - 23 Feb 2005 22:18 GMT
>You're welcome.  I hope it does work; as I mentioned in another reply
>today - to Mary, somewhere else in this thread - it worked for one of my
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>she was consistently using them for both functions for a long while, I then
>gradually reduced them down to 2 boxes.

Well, it's really too early to tell anything, and too much to hope
that the problem is solved, but there was no poop on the floor this
morning, or this afternoon when I got home from work (we're keeping a
baby gate across the door so the dogs don't get in).  I know she's at
least using the litterbox, since I've seen her in there twice now.
The only problem after this would end up being that we'll have to move
the 2 boxes out of the room they're in, because there's not enough
space in there for them.  I'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Of course, I also changed the amount of attention she's getting as
well.  We had an extended playtime last night with a lot of her
running around, and some catnip afterwards.

>Just remember - there's always the other side of the coin: be glad she's not
>peeing outside of the litter box - really; that is much harder to clean up &
>get rid of, odor-wise!

Oh, trust me, I know.  We had enough of that with the beagles before
we got the doggie door installed for them.  We did make sure we got
the "pet safe" carpet pad put down, so nothing can soak through the
pad.

-Todd
Cathy Friedmann - 24 Feb 2005 00:13 GMT
> >You're welcome.  I hope it does work; as I mentioned in another reply
> >today - to Mary, somewhere else in this thread - it worked for one of my
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> well.  We had an extended playtime last night with a lot of her
> running around, and some catnip afterwards.

Good!  - I hope this turns out to be the relatively simple solution.

> >Just remember - there's always the other side of the coin: be glad she's not
> >peeing outside of the litter box - really; that is much harder to clean up &
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the "pet safe" carpet pad put down, so nothing can soak through the
> pad.

Smart man. ;-)

Cathy

> -Todd
W. Leong - 23 Feb 2005 04:51 GMT
>>With 2 or 3 boxes all in a row.
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thanks,
> Todd

I had a similar problem with my cat recently. Rusty is an only cat.
Turned out his problem was with the food. Something in the food is
not agreeable with him. It is a prescription food for his urinary problems
and he ate it for 3 years. As soon as the vet switched him
to another prescription food, the problem went away.
This also happened when I first adopted him.  As soon as I switched
back to the food he was on at Humane, the problem stopped.
It seems like that was his way of telling me something was wrong even
though he continued to eat the food.

You may try to feed your cat a different food to see whether that has any
effect.

Winnie
Todd Palino - 23 Feb 2005 02:19 GMT
>The only thing I can think of, and I may be completely wrong, is that maybe
>she does not like the smell of the litterbox - not because of the litter,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>quirk. The only other thing i could suggest is to train her again,like you
>would a kitten. Best of luck, I hope you don't have to re home her.

Thanks for the help.  When I say that I clean the litterboxes, I don't
mean with a cleaner.  I just mean that I'm really good about scooping
them out.  I've only cleaned these boxes once or twice each (they're
all fairly new), and even that was only with a lot of water and a
little bit of unscented dish soap.  I use Lysol wipes around the
litterboxes to clean up, but not in them.

-Todd
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Feb 2005 18:21 GMT
["Followup-To:" header set to rec.pets.cats.health+behav.] On 2005-02-22, Todd
Palino penned:

> When we first got Aubrey, she appeared to be using the litterbox just fine.
> We kept her and her sister confined for a week or so, so we were able to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> though we may have had a problem before she was spayed and are just
> forgetting.  PeeJee has never had a problem.

I just keep thinking, you named these two after Something Positive characters
and you're surprised when they act like it?

http://www.somethingpositive.net/cast-aubrey.shtml

Full Name: Aubrey Chorde

Date of Birth: December 31, 1977

Ethnicity: Half Malaysian/Half Irish

Religious Leanings: High Priestess of the Church of Getting Aubrey Ahead

Addictions: Nicotine, Alcohol, Chaos

Biography: Aubrey grew up in Fort Worth, Texas. At the early age, she met
Davan when her mother answered an ad Mrs. Macintire had placed to get her
abnormally antisocial son a "playdate." Since then, Aubrey has played the
roles of Davan's conscience, evil impulses, protector and shadow. This is, of
course, when she's not pursuing her own schemes.

Aubrey is a product of the finest Catholic All-Girls schools in Fort Worth. It
was in those surroundings she learned the importance of stealing, drinking,
smoking, cheating, lying and using plaid skirts and a pouty set of lips to
make boys tremble. She was also an actress throughout her childhood as well as
an accomplished little ballet dancer. She's applied her acting and grace to
many things most people wouldn't admit to.

Unlike her other best friend, PeeJee, Aubrey is usually not physically
violent. She instead broods and contemplates new ideas to amuse herself. She
usually instigates most of the plots they pursue and most consider her more
threatening.

...

Sorry that I can't add anything more productive.  I really have no idea what
the problem is,
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BarB - 22 Feb 2005 23:24 GMT
>I'm at my wits end on this one.  I really need some help, because I'm
>just about done trying to accomodate this cat.  Basically, one of our
>cats poops outside the litterbox just about every single time.  She
>urinates in the litterbox without a problem.


When all else fails you buy a large condo cage with several levels
and keep her there except when you are watching her and playing with
her. Put it in a family room next to a window if you can. Provide
lots of pillows,toys and covered litter box. Cats do quite well in
cages if they have a play time for activity. They frequently feel
very safe in their cage and return to it voluntarily for security.
That is a much kinder solution than getting rid of them. Also kinder
than shutting them away in an isolated room. If she doesn't do it in
front of you, you may be able to change the behavior in a few months.
Cats do this to make a statement. It is up to us to figure out what
is wrong.

BarB
philo - 25 Feb 2005 21:36 GMT
> I'm at my wits end on this one.  I really need some help, because I'm
> just about done trying to accomodate this cat.  Basically, one of our
> cats poops outside the litterbox just about every single time.  She
> urinates in the litterbox without a problem.

<snip>

my cat did that too for a while
so i got a 2nd litterbox...
he uses a different litter box depending on #1 or #2

it's also important to empty them everyday
and clean the boxes often

btw: i keep the litter boxes down in the basement
in an area where it's not too important if he "misses" now and then.
i just use a flap in the door
dug88 - 28 Feb 2005 01:41 GMT
if the offending cat is white coloured fur
she is likely blind

heree is a hint
move thwe litter box
6 inchess from the wall

your vet will tell you if she is blind
then just kill her

is the cat box lighted all day and night?

well kill the cat
if it ciosts money to do it

try to figure out the problem, before you ask a question
is reqally important you stop blathering if you REALLY wanna help the cat.
your beagle is mindless trivial drivel.

oh but i can make an incredible chocalate cake
especially wuith truffles
but then again
maybe i can say a moment of the cat.
clear your mind and state the problem

if you can't
then just have the pet put down

or just say exactly what is going on

> I'm at my wits end on this one.  I really need some help, because I'm
> just about done trying to accomodate this cat.  Basically, one of our
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>
> -Todd
chrisoakey@msn.com - 28 Feb 2005 18:46 GMT
Two things spring to mind, wanting more attention from you and having
trouble going to the loo.  My cat does this when he is constipated.
catowned - 01 Mar 2005 18:34 GMT
"Subtle signs of illness"

"Cats are notorious for their ability to appear healthy when they are
actually sick.  Be on the lookout for subtle signs of illness..."

Including...

"Cats that repeatedly defecate outside the box may be suffering from a
disease of the large intestine."

James Richards, D.V.M
ASPCA Guide to Cats
Karen - 01 Mar 2005 19:06 GMT
> "Subtle signs of illness"
>
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> James Richards, D.V.M
> ASPCA Guide to Cats

Absolutely. My cat Grant showed no overt signs of illness until two weeks
ago. He steadily declined from what we thought was hair in the stomach,
which we could see in the barium radiographs. Finally, I agreed to surgery
before he got too weak. When they went in he had very advanced lymphoma of
the stomach. The lining was over a centimeter thick and there was almost no
normal tissue left. I doubt we would ever have caught it early, but it shows
how well they hide very serious problems.

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