"Pongo tu sombrero"

Did you say kats an dogs? They go together like hand in glove:

"You Lying Sack Of Dung. When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: They're called "privates" for a reason, yaknow
Date: 1999/10/06

Could very well be.  Java won't let me have kittens around
the house.  If I remember correctly, bunnies are just like
kittens - mysteries at birth.

Lynn K.

------------------------------

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows ho­­w
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At tha­­t
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food o­­r
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this i­­s
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer." Lynn K.

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condit­­ion.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob wrote in message
<news: 04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews...

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility
for making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

                 -------------------------

Well leah, LOOKS like your MENTOR
is a bit of a LIAR and DOG ABUSER.

DON'T IT.

EITHER THAT, or she's a FREAKIN
MENTAL CASE, leah. What do you
THINK YOUR MENTOR IS, leah?

PERMIT The Amazing Puppy Wizard to
give you a GLIMPSE into rec.pets.dogs.
behavior's Titticut Follies:

                          WORDS OF WISDOM
                  from our own Lynn Kosmakos
      1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
                          For Twenty Years

  I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUTLITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned.  But if I were ever
to post such sh*t,  I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

HOWEDY culprit,

Seems Pooch is NEW here abHOWETS, eh culprit
aka kelly aka metta (metta is culprit aka kelly's aka
on the MENTAL PERSONS news groups so she
don't get STIGMATIZED on the NON MENTAL persons
news groups)?

culprits dogs attacked each other and went to
the emergency HOWEspital and have been
locked separately in boxes ever since.

The puppy is already SOCIALIZED. We DIS-CUSSED
that with LeeCharlesKelly author of "NO BAD DOGS
ONLY BAD TRAINERS." REMEMBER culprit?

Yeah. That'd be appreciated.

That's NOT NICE, culprit aka kelly aka metta.

He'll LEARN to FIGHT.

By getting rolled, barked and growled at.

LIKE THIS:

"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That Izzy Can
Put Simon In His Place." BINACA bethFIST

By getting rolled steped on grHOWELED and barked at?

LIKE THIS?

      "BethF" <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message
       news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...

    > "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
    wrote in message
    >
    > Kyle,  FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
    > and i often call my little dog the turd, because
    > he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
    > would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
    > matter of personality.

    > Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
    > step on him once. Seriously.

"Beth F" <dawg@spamthis.alaska.com> wrote in message:

"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most of the dogs
I have in classes just aren't that interested in praise."

A dog is a dog.

That so? You mean UNLIKE a Pit Bull?

MOORE likely they'll break sumpthing colliding
in play or gettin attacked when someWON STEPS
ON THEM and they BARK and GRHOWEL into
their faces and get attacked like HOWE culprit's
dogs do.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Yeah. MOST of HOWER DOG LOVERS dogs got
FEAR AGGRESSION problems with other dogs.
suja's dog Khan attacked a RESCUE Malamute
bitch she ADOPTED and put them both in the
emergency HOWEspital like HOWE culprit's
OPPOSITE SEX DOGS ATTACKED EACH OTHER.

leah's RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie who'd
been SOCIALIZED in her OBEDIENCE classes with
her PAW PATROL since IT was ten weeks old MURDERED
a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park and TRIED to
MURDER a other little dog and her other STUDENT'S
dogs MURDERED their own HOWEsbunny and her
own dog was recently taken to a BEHAIVORIST for
FEAR AGGRESSION of other dogs while on leash.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Right. Hip dysplasia seems to be a lot like Scurvey.

Perhaps the propensity, but the dog GETS it
when IT can't handle the STRESS of DOG
LOVERS choking shocking spraying aversives
in their faces and locking them in boxes.

Right.

They've got to be CONDITIONED to it.

IMAGINE?

That WOULD be challenging.

Commercial dog food is garbage.

Ooops!

Yeah. Garbage.

INDEEDY.

LikeWIZE yours, culprit aka kelly aka metta...

No, but we got your own POSTED CASE HISTORY
of HURTING and MURDERING your own critters.

RIGHT. You're just a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE.

And KAT lover.

Her kat was beloved, death was her blessing:

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the only dog trainer
in history who teaches people all over the Whole
Wild World to handle train and rehabilitate ALL
behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY for FREE,
withHOWET HURTIN noWON.

Marilyn and professor dermer and perhps Larry,
cause THEY understand a little abHOWET behavior.

You mean the kat you trained your dogs to MURDER.

Well perhaps if you wasn't MENTAL you
wouldn'ta HURT your dogs till they MURDERED
your DEAD kat.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is QUOTING YOUR
CASE HISSSTORY of TRAINING YOUR DOGS
to MURDER YOUR KAT by FORGETTING to PUT
their SHOCK COLLARS on them when you got
back from the vet after $1500.00 in surgery.

You wanna see amusing?:

"we'll keep the indoor boundary set up, and keep
***testing the dogs with it (hiding behind the railing
and meowing usually does the trick)*** so that they're
familiar with the warning tone.

Manu is already pretty sure he knows what it means,
and whenever Lola trips it, he'll bite her hind leg and
pull her down the steps so the tone stops.  he's such
a big brother, always trying to keep sis out of trouble."

And THEN (Drumroll please, Mr. Maestro...):

                      ****************************

                    Your Attention to center ring...

No. Get it RIGHT. You mean anyHOWE.

                 ****************************

"i dropped of Mo upstairs, as usual, and headed
down to let the dogs out of their crates.

for some reason i'll never know,

*(EVERY WON KNOWS NHOWE.)

*(forgetting to put their SHOCK COLLARS ON THEM)

Mo followed me downstairs.  he never does this.
and i didn't hear him coming.  however, the dogs did.
they ran to investigate, and found a strange smelling,
bloody cat in their house.

needless to say, they attacked him"

Cause culprit aka kelly aka METTA FORGOT
to put their shock collars back on after uncrating
them and she DIDN'T TELL MO THEY WASN'T
WEARIN THEIR SHOCK COLLARS.

Naaah. Leavin you runnin loose is frightenin.

HOWEDY People,

INDEEDY. Like HOWE culprit aka kelly aka
metta's $7,000.00 DEAD kat WAS.

The PUPS would MURDER her just like
HOWE YOU TRAINED THEM to MURDER
YOUR OWN DEAD KAT.

Cause you trained your dogs to MURDER IT.

A WIZE idea.

INDEEDY. LikeWIZE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard
will keep posting YOUR CASE HISTORY to IDENTIFY
EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you and your pals as
the lying animal abusng mental cases you are.

Here's the IN-complete story (short version) of
HOWE culprit aka kelly aka metta (metta is culprit
aka kelly's aka on the MENTAL PERSONS news
groups) TRAINED HER DOGS to MURDER HER
DEAD KAT:

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

           ----------------------------------

there are different brands of fences, and each
one has a variety of settings, set to the dog's
specific reaction.  Lola's collar is set to give
more juice than Manu's, because she's more
likely to ignore the buzz, whereas Manu wants
nothing to do with it.  i have no idea what brand or
setting Hope's collar was set at.

there's also the fact that Hope has lots of thick
fur and a good fat layer (to keep her warm in the
water) and my dogs are scrawny and nekkid.

so maybe Hope needs a higher setting to work
for her.  it's really hard to say without comparing
the collars directly.

and you're right, if Lola really wants out of the yard,
she'll run through the fence.  the annoyance doesn't
keep her in, which is why she's always supervised
outdoors.

Manu, OTOH, is happy to stay as far from the
fence as he can.  what can i say, he's part eevil
pit bull and part fraidy cat.

-kelly

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: we got "the fence"
Date: 2004-02-14 15:48:26 PST

after having the appraisal for the real fencing coming out at
over $11,000, we decided to put up an invisible fence, just
until we can save some cash for the real one.  after we put up
the real fence, the invisible one will probably remain as a
"fail safe" to keep the dogs off the real fence.

yes, i'm aware of most of the cons, i've always been
against them myself, until i talked to a lot of people
who have them, and had the invisible fence trainer
come out to meet the dogs.

i'll only be letting them out when i'm home and can keep a
direct eye on them, and we've discussed it with all of the
neighbors, and they've committed to containing their dogs,
so they won't come into my yard unless invited.

anyway, we had it installed outside today, and started the
indoor part of training.  we decided to put the training fence
on the stairway, since the cats like to hang out up there and
the dogs aren't allowed to go up.

we put up a baby gate just past the invisible barrier,
so that they can't go through it, even if they want to.

i tried the collar on myself before we let the dogs try it,
and while it is uncomfortable, it's not painful, and i'm
comfortable with the dogs wearing it.

we thought Manu would require a higher setting than Lola,
because she's pretty sensitive to correction, and he is a big
meathead who doesn't feel a thing.  this played out with the
first part of training, with Lola turning around and leaving
the steps at the first buzz, and Manu just standing there,
wagging his tail, like he didn't feel a thing.

we upped the setting three more times before Manu
"got it", and then he immediately turned around and
didn't go up the steps at all after that.

the weird thing is that Lola, who was clearly
bothered by the experience, kept trying to go
up to get the cat's area anyway.

this confirmed something i had suspected.

Lola may be more sensitive to correction, but
she also has more "drive", and will put up with
something she dislikes longer than Manu will.

Lola sat on the steps, cycling through the collar's
three 10 second failsafe cycles,  then tried to climb
over the baby gate as though nothing had happened.

we decided to up the correction one setting, with the
theory that she'd find it so unpleasant it would stop
her from climbing the steps, then we'd turn it back
down once she realized she shouldn't be up there.

unfortunately, she never did realize it, so we had
to leave it on the higher setting.

so hers is set lower than Manu's, but she reacts a
lot more strongly to it (scratching at her neck, etc)
than he does.

we'll keep the indoor boundary set up, and keep
testing the dogs with it (hiding behind the railing
and meowing usually does the trick) so that they're
familiar with the warning tone.

Manu is already pretty sure he knows what it means,
and whenever Lola trips it, he'll bite her hind leg and
pull her down the steps so the tone stops.  he's such
a big brother, always trying to keep sis out of trouble.

the outdoor training will begin later in the week, i'll post
updates once we get done with them.

-kelly

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: another tragedy
Date: 2004-06-24 14:16:01 PST

today Mo-kitty woke up in a large spot of blood.
his wound had been bleeding all night.  i took
him to the vet, who said that this was not abnormal,
did some blood tests, and sent him home with me.

since he's not allowed to groom himself, he had
quite a bit of blood on him, which i was going to
clean up later.

i dropped of Mo upstairs, as usual, and headed
down to let the dogs out of their crates.

for some reason i'll never know, Mo followed me
downstairs.  he never does this.  and i didn't hear
him coming.  however, the dogs did.

they ran to investigate, and found a strange smelling,
bloody cat in their house.

needless to say, they attacked him.

poor Mo had that stupid cone on his head and
couldn't see to escape.  he was weak and sick
and didn't have a chance.

he didn't survive the trip back to the vets.

he died in my lap on the way there.

i'm in shock right now.

everyone is telling me to get the dogs out of
the house to deal with my grief, but how can
i deal without them?

they didn't understand that what they did is
wrong, they're not people.  they smelled
blood and instinct took over.  i thought about
getting rid of them for about two seconds.

but i can't.  i love them too much.  and i need
them more than ever right now.  poor dogs,
they know something is wrong, and they're all
cuddled up to me.

they don't even know that they caused my suffering.

i'm not angry at them.  just sad at Mo's passing.

after all that work to make him well, for him to die
in this way...   it's like a cosmic joke.  like a bad movie.

i'm emotionally torn.  i'm numb.  and i'm so very tired.

-kelly

----------------------------------

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but w        e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

From: Temperance (whoever@.com)
Subject: Think of my daughter's cat please.
Date: 2004-01-08 10:30:09 PST

This morning 2 year old Velcro was found run over on
the main Road. Who ever hit her knew they had hit her
or an aniaml as it was about 9am. Velcro was a beautiful
cat and at 6 months old came from a guy who mistreated
her and it took a long time to gain her trust.

She was called Velcro because she was so
clingy and would attach herself to my daughters legs.

A shame as we always thought her older cat would go first.
Now we have a sad cat missing it's friend.  I can't get the
rainbow bridge link to work so if somebody can post the
right one I would be pleased.

Thanks.

Temperance

==================

       From: Nancy Verzich (nverzich906@adelphia.net)
       Subject: My cat... Date: 2003-09-28 12:14:37 PST

       Hi everyone, I've never posted here before but have
       been lurking and reading all your posts. The post
       below was posted to another pet NG but no one replied
       and its still bothering me, 3 days later.

       I hope you don't mind me posting it here also...I am
       really sad and just wanted to get this off my chest.
       I am a cat person...always have been...but in the last
       10 yrs or so, it seems like I've sorta become "allergic"
       in a  way to them. If I even touch the fur my eyes get all
       itchy and they burn etc. So, I don't generally hold
       our cat anyway.

       Well, we got this cat about 3 months ago...just a
       plain old tiger striped stray, who was a tiny kitten
       when my 6yr old daughter found her outside. We
       aren't allowed to have pets here, but.......So anyway
       this cat became part of our family.

      I also have a 17 yr old son who is very overweight
      and has NO friends. So this cat became his best
      friend. We didn't allow the cat outside, because
      we didn't really want neighbors to see her and also,
      we didn't want the fleas in here.

       So we kept her inside. But lately, she's been sneaking
       out if my daughter didn't shut the door tight enough or
       if any of us held it open just a second too long.

       She always came back tho...so not that big of a deal.
       Today, my daughter was outside and came back in to
       get  something, and forgot to shut the door all the way.
       Of course, the cat got out. The cat was kinda weird,
       because she just RECENTLY opened up to me,
       personally....she's been loving my kids up ever since
       we got her, but she hasn't really come around to me
       until the last couple of weeks or so.

       So today, I go to the door and call her....she thinks I'm
       playing with her LOL...so she is darting out there all
       around.

       Finally she goes across the street to the neighbors
       yard, and all the way as she's crossing the street,
       I"m worrying about a car coming and hitting her...
       then, she just SAT there on the side of the road
       in the neighbors grass as the cars were passing
       and I was afriad that a car would spook her and
       she would run, but she didn't. Well, she wouldn't
       come in either, I guess she wanted to play for a while.

       About 15 minutes later I went to the door and called
       her again...this time she decided that she was going
       to come to me. She started running across the street,
       and just like in slow motion, I saw a car come down
       the street at the same time. I saw her little body go
       under the car, and I tried to cover my eyes.

       I listened for that HORRIBLE sound that you know is
       coming...but I didn't hear it....the car never even
       slowed down, it just kept going. The cat dashed up
       the street running like a maniac into the field. Every
       10 minutes or so I would go to the door and call her,
       because I knew she was scared...but at the same time
       I"m trying to cook dinner and do a hundred other things.

       So everytime I called and she didn't come, I figured ok,
       I'll try again in a few minutes. When my hubby came
       home, I told him what had happened....he figured that
       she was fine and just scared/hiding, or maybe just out
       playing.

       My son and I a few hours later decided to go and look
       for her....we found her poor little dead body in the
field...
       right where I had seen her enter it at. She didn't have
       any outer "evidence" at all of gettig hit...but it
       obviously happened immediately when she got to the
       field because she was only off of the road maybe 5 feet.

       My son freaked out..she was his best friend in the
       whole world....everyone is blaming everyone else...
       my daughter's fault for leaving the door open...my
       son's fault for not going out to get the cat right when
       she first got out...MY fault for calling to her and
       causing her to run across the street...*sigh*

       I  dunno....

       All I know is that I can't get her
       out of my head......dammit. Nancy

Well folksies, everyWON should thank ed w of
PETLOSS DOT COIN and professor SCRUFF
SHAKE dermer and company for convincing
folks like Nancy that kats and dogs can't be
trained NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET
HURTIN them as The Amazing Puppy Wizard
teaches HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
all over the Whole Wild World REPORT RIGHT HERE.

You know, the WONS YOU CALL LIARS and
FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

       The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

               YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                                BUSINESS.

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                      and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                      What one fears, one destroys."
                             Chief Dan George

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       "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
       few regulars here who are either ill-
       tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
                         --Marshall

       > ----- Original Message -----
       > From: "Marshall Dermer" <dermer@csd.uwm.edu>
       > To: "The Puppy Wizard"
       > <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net>
       > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
       > Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
       >
       > Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
       >
       > I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
       > and now must applaud your attempts to save
       > animals from painful training procedures.
       >
       > You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
       > who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
       > alert the world to animal abuse.
       >
       > We are lucky to have you, and more people should
       > come to their senses and support your valuable
       > work.
       >
       > Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
       > charity to fund your important work?
       >
       > Have you thought about holding a press conference
       > so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
       > and significant work?
       >
       > In closing, my only suggestion is that you
       > try to keep your messages short for most
       > readers may refuse to read a long message
       > even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
       >
       > I wish you well in your endeavors.
       >
       > --Marshall Dermer
       > Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
       > Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/
       > University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
        >  dermer@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

       > --------------------------------------

          All truth passes through three stages.
                      First, it  is ridiculed.
               Second, it is violently opposed.
      Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                    -Arthur Schopenhauer

            "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                 even tho it's a hopeless task,
                      in this system of things.
                 As long as man is ruling man,
            there will be animals (and humans!)
                      abused and neglected. :-(
                      Your student," Juanita.

      "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                       and minds will follow,"
                           John Wayne.

           The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Society or the Bible ??

If married go for it regardless of cats or dogs!!

http://members.aol.com/larrystark/

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Only if they're married!
(And, for an exception: if the cats and dogs involved give their go-ahead!)

In rec.pets.dogs.behavior Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:

What if you own both a dog and a cat; is it appropriate for you
to mastu(*)(*&&%^%  NO CARRIER

[followups]

I guess it's okay if the 'dog owner' is a consenting partner to the 'cat
owner'. Otherwise the fur may fly....

<hammering the sign in>

Please do not feed the troll.

Hmmmm.... in the XBox group last week someone was inquiring
whether sex between XBox fans and PS2 fans was allowed.