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Cat Forum / General Topics / February 2005my wife wants the cat out HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i found a stray he is not fixed yet he is about 2 years old he was so thin you can feel each bones in his back. had him 2 weeks he is a sweet heart,very loving and happy to have a home. i live in ny and it has been cold - 5 to -10 the last 3 weeks so you know he is happy to be indoors now. ive dont know much about cats at all so please help me i would like to keep the wife and the cat he is spraying alot the whole house smells bad omg its bad how do i stop him how do i clean the rug,walls, what is best cleaner to use and is there a good room freshiner just to use when people come over our house will this get better???? i dont want to put him out but the wife making this so hard on me ill take e mail if you can help pnlob(at)juno.com >i found a stray he is not fixed yet he is about 2 years old > he was so thin you can feel each bones in his back. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > he is spraying alot the whole house smells bad > omg its bad how do i stop him Get him neutered. > >i found a stray he is not fixed yet he is about 2 years old > > he was so thin you can feel each bones in his back. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Get him neutered. What Ashley is trying tosay is that neutering a tom-cat will stop him from spraying. So the best thing to do is call the local vet, and take him there in the morning for the operation. Its quick and you can have him back by the evening. Its alsoinexpensive, in UK only around ?35, in US probably ~$30-40, and well worth if you wanna keep both wife and the beautiful kitty :) Some cats can occasionally continue to spray after the operation, but if they do, the smell will be gone with his balls, so you wont be able to smell it and more importantly your missus :) At the moment take some biological (clothes) detergent, mix it with worm water and clean any surface he has already sprayed on. Bio ingredients should dissolve the urine smell. When dry, and to prevent him from spraying there again, wipe the surfaces with (clear) vinegar,cos cats hate the smell of vinegar. Finally, when dry, rub some dry cat food on the surfaces, as cats never urinate near the food. Finally once he is neutered, he will loose that territorial instinct to a large extent and therefore the need to spray and "mark"his territory. The only reason he did that is cos your flat is new to him and he is marking it for any other cat as a warning. I had exactly the same problemwhen my Charlie moved in and he was a local stray. Now he only sprays outside, and even then I cant feel the smell. Other cats I suppose, can, with their strong sense of smell. Gee Thank you , you're a life saver... well written, great info, every question answered > Thank you , you're a life saver... well written, great info, every question > answered More then welcome > Thank you , you're a life saver... well written, great info, every question > answered Cats are creatures of habit. Therefore, neutering will often not stop an older male cat from spraying. if he has been doing it for a while as a territorial issue. The same can be said for some females who are spayed after full maturity and *still may* continue to spray both inside and out as a matter of habit. The old saw applies: "Happy wife, happy life". Rather than destroy your house and marriage, prepare the cat a very snug and weather proof box that will keep it snug and warm during the colder days and night. This suggestion runs contrary to my personal feelings because I believe that cats should remain indoors--and out of harm's way. But sensible action is always better than emotional knee-jerks; and mature-minded adults must put things in proper perspective and priority. We have a very large house and screened-in patio that hosts a large group of insiders without crowding. But the grounds--protected by a tall brick wall--sustain another group who simply cannot be brought into the house for the reasons the original poster gave. You do what you can. --Geno > Cats are creatures of habit. Therefore, neutering will often not stop an > older male cat from spraying. if he has been doing it for a while as a > territorial issue. The same can be said for some females who are spayed > after full maturity and *still may* continue to spray both inside and out as > a matter of habit. We statedthe possibility laready. But no, notOFTEN, itactually only continues OCCASIONALLY. The reason behind spraying is territorial correct, but once he accepts the OPs postereflatasHIS territory, and noothercat spraysitas his or hers, hehas NO need to keep reinforcing the status over and over again!My Charlie walked in froma stray cat into a home with 3. Hesprayed for about 3-4 days in a fewplaces, which I promptly cleaned up. But once he was buetered, he had no moremotivation/need/issues as to spray indoorsand henever did it since! He does however spray outisde on the bushes that I know other males will spray in the neighbourhood. So really the idea of dumping a cat back on the street, in the winter, because of 1 in1000 chance that he will spray again is rather drastic, unnececery and over the top. I can almost guarantee that he will NOT spray anymore, especially considering that he will be an only cat indoors, so he HAS no terrotorial issue. As for the missus, well I go by the old internet saying: "Beware people who dislike animals". If she can be so cruel to forcethe poor and sweet and hungry cat out on this cold(or any other weather) perhaps you ought to consider just how kind and worm your woman really is, and is she going to be like this towards you, your family and ultimetly your children one day as well. > This suggestion runs contrary to my personal feelings because I believe that > cats should remain indoors--and out of harm's way. But sensible action is > always better than emotional knee-jerks; and > mature-minded adults must put things in proper perspective and priority. Well, life is not perfect and for some, like this cat, is less not perfect then others. You are what you give.Not what you take. The OP CAN give home. He can fix the small problem.He can make both moaning missus and the cat happy. So sometimes being emotional can make a person better inside. Thining about number one all the time is not fulfilling and you cannot feel proud of yourself. But when you give and you can see the happiness in the other soul, there is NOTHING that can compare to that. Even while I was unemployed, I always made sure I bought birdfood(I havent got a bird) and cat food first,and give any scrap possible to the foxes. Then I buy what I can afford for me.Becuase I cannot be happy knowing they are hungry. > We have a very large house and screened-in patio that hosts a large group of > insiders without crowding. But the grounds--protected by a tall brick > wall--sustain another group who simply cannot be brought into the house for > the reasons the original poster gave. > > You do what you can. I appreciatte that you are well-meaning and perhapsI am being too hard on you, cos yes we do what we can,adn you are clearly helping a number of souls. But pls dont suggest putting the cat back outside, cos OP can so easily treat the problem.If his relationship depends now on a cat, then hes got MUCH serious problems to deal with,cat is just an excuse. Loving somebody doesnt mean getting rid of everything he/shelikes! Gee > --Geno > > Cats are creatures of habit. Therefore, neutering will often not stop an > > older male cat from spraying. if he has been doing it for a while as a [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > --Geno > > Cats are creatures of habit. Therefore, neutering will often not stop an > > older male cat from spraying. if he has been doing it for a while as a [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Gee No, you are not being too hard on me because you are not specifically qualified to be either hard or soft on the subject. Your opinion is merely opinion and that is all. Your "Charlie" was an exception to the rule, and not an experience upon which to base your absurd pontification. However, we can disagree and still be friends with regard to the trauma of having the house trashed out because of a spaying cat. If you think that's cool, then it's your prerogative. And we can also disagree regarding the propensity of a mature tomcat--who is accustomed to spraying--to continue his habit after being neutered, by virtue of my use of the word "often" and yours: "occasionally". Whether often or occasionally, a spaying tomcat can wreak havoc on upholstery, drapes, carpets and wallpaper. It does not take many mishaps at all to sully a nice home. I have dealt with more than seven dozen cats of mixed ages and gender--nearly all of which were scooped up as feral. My experience with spaying tomcats (and females as well) is that they do not easily give up their habit. As I said, your "Charlie" was your good fortune; but don't expect that experience to be repeated. See below: Your hyperbolic use of "1 in 1000" chances is comical at the very least. As is your "guarantee: that it will not happen again. That is classic comedy and ignorance gone to seed. If you re-read my suggested disposition of the cat, it did not match your second hyperbolic comment of "dumping" the cat back on the street. That was very silly of you to say that. I suggested taking the effort to fix the creature a warm, dry box outside the door. Your idiotic, knee-jerk reaction is typical of your posting history. I bet your hovel smells like a bat cave, doesn't it? My suggestion was spot on. The cat will endure far less trauma in its own warm area than it will inside the house where it will continue to attract hostility because of its peeing habit. Your third hyperbolic statement was implying that the woman did not like animals. That was silly. And it was simple of you to say that because he merely implied that she did not want her house trashed out. I can certainly sympathize with her even if you can't. I, myself, love animals--especially cats. But I don't like them peeing in my house. That doesn't make me an animal hater...it merely makes me a man who takes pride in cleanliness. I'm glad I could clear all that up for you. --Geno > No, you are not being too hard on me because you are not specifically > qualified to be either hard or soft on the subject. Your opinion is merely > opinion and that is all. No. My opinion is always based on facts. I do not discuss anything I have not seen the proof of. > Your "Charlie" was an exception to the rule, and not an experience upon > which to base your absurd pontification. No. He wasnt. He was just an example. I may have mentioned 1 cat, but it deosnt mean I have only ever seen or been with 1 cat in my life. I also read a helluva lot about cats and animlsin general, and I can easily be confident more then you, so no my "pointification" is not absurd, just becuase you think it is.Finally If more people have disagreed with my post here, they wouldve expressed themselves very quickly. Since they havent, they agree. So, their experience as well haev thought them otherwise to what you sare saying. > However, we can disagree and still be friends with regard to the trauma of > having the house trashed out because of a spaying cat. If you think that's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > wreak havoc on upholstery, drapes, carpets and wallpaper. It does not take > many mishaps at all to sully a nice home. Why would you allow a cat to wreck your home? Train your cat. Learn about your cat and the behaviour.WHY dothey dowhat they do. That way you and themwill both have less problems. My 5 are perfectly trained, my home isperfectly beautiful, clean and NOTHING is ruined by the arrival of cats. Funnily enough I dont prevent them fromdoing anything except biting thewires and going out free, butI understand them and their needs, I give them maximum I can afford and they are happy.And so am I. But I have taken the time to learn about them, make my home THEIR home as well, and give themwhat they NEED and want. So my cats have NO need to be ruining the upholestry, or bite, or scratch or do anything else people have problems with. > I have dealt with more than seven dozen cats of mixed ages and > gender--nearly all of which were scooped up as feral. My experience with > spaying tomcats (and females as well) is that they do not easily give up > their habit. The point is, and you said it yourself: its NOT a "habbit", its a territorial instinct. You remove the issue, you remove the problem. >As I said, your "Charlie" was your good fortune; but don't > expect that experience to be repeated. See below: > > Your hyperbolic use of "1 in 1000" chances is comical at the very least. As > is your "guarantee: that it will not happen again. That is classic comedy > and ignorance gone to seed. LOL, so you are basing your opinion that I am wrong on what? YOUR opinion? C'mon! If you wanna discuss the issue, lets, but do not get nasty pls. > If you re-read my suggested disposition of the cat, it did not match your > second hyperbolic comment of "dumping" the cat back on the street. That was > very silly of you to say that. I suggested taking the effort to fix the > creature a warm, dry box outside the door. A box outside will never be warm enough. I thought I didnt need to spell that. But I guess I do. So no you didnt suggest 'dumping' the cat outside, you have suggesting putting the cat outside. Sorry, no big difference to me! Not on minus temperatures! And why would you suggest that anyways without even trying the obvious solution first????????? > Your idiotic, knee-jerk reaction > is typical of your posting history. I bet your hovel smells like a bat > cave, doesn't it? No, but YOU should know all about it! You are after all speaking FROM YOUR experiences!( game set and match I might add!) Dont go all bigmouthed with me because I disagreed with you. Do not behave like you are 12!! Can you not take someone disagreeing with your opinion????? Reverting to abuse and insults?? Very mature! In any thread here I try and help people with cat problems. How come you didnt notice THAT! But if someone DOES attack me first, or attack someone completely innocent, I WILL react, and I WILL fight BACK! So if you are planning to start another war, just becuase YOU dissagree with me, and are equally incapable of arguing your points in an adult manner, then do NOT and I repeat do NOT DARE call ME names for your inadequaces. I will give you one more chance to have an adult discussion and if you continue with this abusive tone, you will be killfiled. I had enough of rude people in one day! > My suggestion was spot on. The cat will endure far less trauma in its own > warm area than it will inside the house where it will continue to attract > hostility because of its peeing habit. Again, its not a habbit. Its an issue which can be so easily solved indoors. Perhaps you always had a spraying problem BECUASE you have more then one cat and becuase your cats go out, therefore territorial issue is much stronger. > Your third hyperbolic statement was implying that the woman did not like > animals. That was silly. And it was simple of you to say that because he > merely implied that she did not want her house trashed out. I can certainly > sympathize with her even if you can't. I, myself, love animals--especially > cats. But I don't like them peeing in my house. That doesn't make me an > animal hater...it merely makes me a man who takes pride in cleanliness. Oh honey, nobody is more house proud then ME! Not that you will ever get the proof of it mind. But the point is, if one loves cats, one will express their love in appropriate way. If you give a cat what she needs, and do what you need tohelpsituation, the house will be spotless, and both you are the cat will be happy. Like we are here. I will not symphatize with anybody whow says"Oh I like cats" and get one, but then refuses to educate themselves on them. Later, the cat ends up dead or homeless because her human could not be asked to learn just a lil bit more about them, nor provide a few nececities for them, and yet expect the cat to simply behave! The OP hasat least made an effort to find out what can be done,so he is expressing his love for this cat. His missus however hasnt. She resorted to a blackmail! How pathetic.And you symphatise with that! Great! And then you call MY reactions "idiotic, knee-jerk reaction". TSZ TSZ TSZ! > I'm glad I could clear all that up for you. Likewise :) Gee never did look at the time line feb2 to now is ancient history this is just a spam fixation gouing bezerk >> No, you are not being too hard on me because you are not specifically >> qualified to be either hard or soft on the subject. Your opinion is [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > > Gee >So really the idea of dumping a cat back on the street, in the winter, >because of 1 in1000 chance that he will spray again is rather drastic, 1 in 1000? Is this based on facts? Have you any proof of this? >>So really the idea of dumping a cat back on the street, in the winter, >>because of 1 in1000 chance that he will spray again is rather drastic, > >1 in 1000? Is this based on facts? Have you any proof of this? I'm also interested in Gee's sources for this information. Anecdotal stories about one cat not applicable. I'd also like to see it verify its claim that territorial male spraying is a problem easily fixed. I'd like to see the steps involved in "training" the cat, which Gee claims is "easy." Gee, tell us, what are the first steps the poster should try? Sherry > >>So really the idea of dumping a cat back on the street, in the winter, > >>because of 1 in1000 chance that he will spray again is rather drastic, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > which Gee claims is "easy." > Gee, tell us, what are the first steps the poster should try? Damn, Sherry. You are supposed to be cowering in fear. "Stone" just waved his little tiny but very hard killfile at you. >Damn, Sherry. You are supposed to be cowering in fear. "Stone" >just waved his little tiny but very hard killfile at you. Stone? I dunno. I've always skipped over most of what he posts. He just always seemed like such a pussy. Sherry > >Damn, Sherry. You are supposed to be cowering in fear. "Stone" > >just waved his little tiny but very hard killfile at you. > > Stone? I dunno. I've always skipped over most of what he posts. He just always > seemed like such a pussy. WHAT?!!! Hasn't he told you that he was a DRILL SERGEANT???? hee hee hee ... >> Stone? I dunno. I've always skipped over most of what he posts. He just >always >> seemed like such a pussy. > >WHAT?!!! Hasn't he told you that he was a DRILL SERGEANT???? >hee hee hee ... No way! Guess that was one of the many posts I just skipped over. :-) Sherry Well, you don't just get rid of a partner! The proper way would be finding a good solution and talking about the problem. I would personally get the cat neutered, give it a chance but leave it, if the problem cannot be solved - maybe then feed the cat outside. Gee, please do use a spell checker; this message is very difficult to read. Carola | > Cats are creatures of habit. Therefore, neutering will often not stop an | > older male cat from spraying. if he has been doing it for a while as a [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] | | > --Geno "M.C. Mullen" <mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch> wrote in message news:4201b935$0$3410 > Gee, please do use a spell checker; this message is very difficult to > read. > > Carola Actually my space bar key works intermittently, hence the connected words. I will change it soon.This keyboard is driving me bananas as well :) Considering that I give free advice to those in need, and take the time out of my life to help others, then no I don't always have time to sit there and reread everything and spell-check and disengage the words. Those who need help tend to be grateful for any advice, perfectly spellchecked or not. In fact this is the first forum of all I use(not just on Usenet either) that people tend to be bothered with my keyboard issues :) So altho I agree my last post was particularly bad and no I didn't do a spell-check and disengaging at all,which yes I shoulda, cos at 60 wpm I will naturally make more mistakes, I apologise, but really, anyone who speaks English CAN understand what I meant to say and that is much more important. > "M.C. Mullen" <mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch> wrote in message > news:4201b935$0$3410 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Carola To suggest such a thing! You are hereby accused of brutality to FOREIGNERS AND their space bar keys! > Actually my space bar key works intermittently, hence the connected words. I > will change it soon.This keyboard is driving me bananas as well :) > > Considering that I give free advice to those in need, and take the time out > of my life to help others, then no I don't always have time to sit there and > reread everything and spell-check and disengage the words. You're just another lazy a.s with low standards. | "M.C. Mullen" <mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch> wrote in message | news:4201b935$0$3410 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] | more mistakes, I apologise, but really, anyone who speaks English CAN | understand what I meant to say and that is much more important. Yes, but there's also netiquette. Like in real life there has to be some order, some politeness, otherwise all turns out chaotic and a pain for everybody. I think in general considering others is the glue that holds the world together and also the ground that allows one to speak up when needed. Have a good day! Carola > | "M.C. Mullen" <mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch> wrote in message > | news:4201b935$0$3410 [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Carola I AM considering others when I am helping them! I rarely NEED to come here, and mostly come BECAUSE of the other people who can use my genuine and free help! So if you wanna talk about consideration, then consider that. What IS however inconsiderate is people complaining about a caps lock keys, abbreviations,top posting and spelling on a CAT forum! WHO CARES! That is simply nitpicking and furthermore, Usenet is NOT only for English speaking people! Yes there is a netiquette, but just like the law, its far from perfect. So Im sorry,but I got MY priorities right: Helping people above spelling anytime.End of the story. Have a nice day Gee >I AM considering others when I am helping them! I rarely NEED to come here, >and mostly come BECAUSE of the other people who can use my genuine and free >help! Let's get real for a moment. I've been reading your posts on usenet for the past four years. 1. I have *never* seen you offer advice on any specific medial issue, nor describe any treatment your cats have had. 2. I have *never* seen you mention that you have ever worked either in rescue, or volunteered at a shelter. 3. I have *never* seen you post any real information, not even a link, to anyone asking for help. For almost five years I've seen you tell anecdotal stories about your cats and argue with other posters. There's nothing wrong with anecdotal stories. We all like to talk about our cats and read about others. But if you honestly think you're providing a service to anyone, you're fooling yourself. Sherry > >I AM considering others when I am helping them! I rarely NEED to come here, > >and mostly come BECAUSE of the other people who can use my genuine and free [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > But if you honestly think you're providing a service to anyone, you're fooling > yourself. This idiot has been around for four years? And it still posts that way? Talk about a hopeless case. >This idiot has been around for four years? And it still posts that way? >Talk about a hopeless case. Oh, yeah. It's been around since 2000 that I know of. Curiously enough, it has just discovered the CAPS KEY and EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!! with this current addy. Sherry >>I AM considering others when I am helping them! I rarely NEED to come here, >>and mostly come BECAUSE of the other people who can use my genuine and free [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Sherry LOL!!!!! > >>I AM considering others when I am helping them! I rarely NEED to come here, > >>and mostly come BECAUSE of the other people who can use my genuine and free [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > LOL!!!!! She really is good, isn't she? > >>I AM considering others when I am helping them! I rarely NEED to come here, > >>and mostly come BECAUSE of the other people who can use my genuine and free > >>help! > > > >Let's get real for a moment. YEAH LET'S!!!!!!! >> I've been reading your posts on usenet for the past four years. > >1. I have *never* seen you offer advice on any specific medial issue, nor > >describe any treatment your cats have had. Oh really? I suppose I have been imagining threads like these: "Cat Diarrhea: What's Next?" "How to give a cat more water?" "Re: Kitten, Diarrhea. What's next?" "What to expect after spaying?" "I have a question?" "Broken Tail?" "my cat scared the hell out of tonight!!" "clipping cat nails - suggestion" "Hairball question" And these are just from the last few months. Shell I continue? For anyone giving MEDICAL advice who HAS no medical knowledge of a subject would be highly DANGEROUS and ludicrous! Since I am NOT a vet, and I have enough brains NOT to endanger anybody's pet, I will ONLY provide medical advice I have personally encountered,and have a decent knowledge of. (You obviously disagree with this, and think that just anyone should provide full medical advice. ) I have also on COUNTLESS occasions(which anyone can freely check using a simple Google group search ) provided TRAINING advice, as well as personal experiences which could benefit to others in similar situations. > >2. I have *never* seen you mention that you have ever worked either in rescue, > >or volunteered at a shelter. Why? Would that mean that I am better then anybody else? I am not here to show off.I am here to help.Furthermore, working in a shelter does NOT make one a God of cat knowledge. Most of my cat experiences come from mine 6 cats and a huge number of my neighbours and stray cats I look(ed) after, as well as a huge number of animal books and excellent TV programs. But since this seems to be SO important to you, yes I did work for RSPCA. > >3. I have *never* seen you post any real information, not even a link, to > >anyone asking for help. Again,you don;t seem to be very good with your Google Group search.But here, I will provide you with just a few threads from this and other cat groups: "Roads"" "Cat playcenters" "Where to buy prescription food online?" "loosing teeth!" "new to newsgroup - question" "Urgent: Can a sexually mature male mate with a sexually immature female?" "high places" "jumping & climbing" "cat attacks own image constantly!" "Introducing my indoor cat outdoors." "lonely pussycat" "Wandering Cat" "Cat's strange tastes!" "I have a problem" "Desparate Please Help!" "Do you guys do this to." "Kitten won't purr" Again, these are only the recent ones. So you were saying?.....Ah yeah "NEVER" you said :) Boy you must be feeling really bad right now. May I suggest you learn how to search Google groups so in the future before you make slandering and lying comments in order to discredit somebody. Its pitiful. > >For almost five years I've seen you tell anecdotal stories about your cats "Anecdotal stories about my cats" ??? My QT diying and me telling people about it is "Anecdotal" story to you????!!!!WOW! >>and argue with other posters. > Yes, I did argue as well, with the likes of you and Bob Brenchley, absolutely, but that is really NOT a compliment FOR YOU! I never kilffile anyone who argues or disagrees maturely. But once insults start the way YOU have done, then you;re a gonner. Maybe someone will put up with that ish, I don;t! I don't like your attitude. I don't like selfish, thoughtless, careless, nasty, mean and rude people. Simple. And I don't need to bend over and accept your abuse. Despite YOUR popular belief! So hush! Furthermore, had you ever REALLY bothered to read my posts over the past 5 years, you could;ve seen that I have NEVER started the argument first, but HELL YEAH, I will not sit there and let somebody walk over me, innocent animals and some innocent but targeted posters like Linda here. I stand up for myself and others, a concept that seems to be foreign for you, and just like Bob Brenchley you just CANNOT take when someone stand up to you,can ya! It would be highly stupid to behave like a doormat! So, sorry, but I don;t. If that bothers you, PLS killfile me as well, and take your attitude on somebody else cos it will NEVER work with me,no matter how hard you try :) > >We all like to talk about our cats and read about others. WE do, you seem to prefer to be just mean to other posters,and concentrate on nitpicking rather then the subject of cats. > >But if you honestly think you're providing a service to anyone, you're fooling yourself. I'm not providing a "service", I help. And since my help helps, then NO, I am not fooling myself. Simple. You on the other hand.... You need to recheck your attitude, and just why do you have this desperate need to discredit me. > >Sherry > > LOL!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL ' That post sure IS funny, and you are lucky Equiliser has included your post Sherry into his, cos I have killfiled you already. With this post you only proved to me one again that you DO belong with Brenchley! Now, you can continue your slander if you wish, and with your personality I'm sure you will, even more now that you know I wont see it! LOL :) Typical bully. So yeah LETS get real. Gee >That post sure IS funny, and you are lucky Equiliser has included your post >Sherry into his, cos I have killfiled you already. With this post you only [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Gee Opinions, anedotes and stories. Never, ever, have you offered concrete, solid, information on any behavioral, or medical, issue. I've had to correct you twice just tonight. Sherry >What IS however inconsiderate is people complaining about a caps lock keys, >abbreviations,top posting and spelling on a CAT forum! WHO CARES! That is >simply nitpicking and furthermore, Usenet is NOT only for English speaking >people! Yes there is a netiquette, but just like the law, its far from >perfect. So Im sorry,but I got MY priorities right: Helping people above >spelling anytime.End of the story. While it is impolite to flame over spelling, there is no way to judge the quality of a post except by the written word. If a poster is careless about punctuation, grammar and spelling then he may also be careless about the advice he is giving. Allowances will always be made for the poster whose first language is not English, but, if it is, those who won't take the time or know how to make their post readable are quite likely to be ignored. BarB >>What IS however inconsiderate is people complaining about a caps lock >>keys, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > BarB Perhaps by some, but by no means all. Stone > >>What IS however inconsiderate is people complaining about a caps lock > >>keys, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Perhaps by some, but by no means all. Just everyone worth a damn. "BarB" <pattist@earthlink.net> wrote in message > If a poster is > careless about punctuation, grammar and spelling then he may also be > careless about the advice he is giving. I resent and detest your comparesment. Just because someone thinks and types fast,it doesn't mean his/hers opinions are wrong or advice given careless! It simply means they type fast and didn't spell-check the document! >Allowances will always be made for the poster whose first language is not English, But how would you know whose first language IS English or not? I don;t know that just by reading someone's post. Foreign people can learn a perfect English. English-speaking people could not know the grammar or spelling well. Keyboards can be faulty. Microsoft office is not a part of everyone;s machine therefore some might not HAVE a spellchecker! So no, it would be highly ignorant of me or you to disregard someone;s post on the simple bases of their language and writing skills. If they know the subject,and make a few spelling mistakes, who cares! The bigger picture is much more important. You want the example? Well MY first language is NOT English. But I am college educated and proficient in my language. And my keyboard's space bar is still not working properly. Does that all mean you should disregard my posts cos I didn't have time to run a spell-check? Well if you want to, by all means do.But you will be missing out, because one thing I definite know IS the cats. And what I don't know I make a huge effort to learn. >but, if it is, those who won't take the time or know how to make their post > readable are quite likely to be ignored. Well I don't ignore anyone unless they are nasty or mean. And I will always try and help,because I am a good person and darn proud of it. But if anyone starts on me, I will have NO hesitation to give back as bad as I get. > BarB > "BarB" <pattist@earthlink.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > anyone > starts on me, I will have NO hesitation to give back as bad as I get. For some people, the syntax acts as a stone wall, blocking the ability to comprehend the message. Not being able to read beyond the syntax is in my estimation, a reading disability. People communicate in a multitude of ways. The eyes, the face, the arms, stance, hands etc. speak volumes. True, when using paper these communications are not being broadcast and punctuation can help, I say "help". In a group like this, if you follow the individual posters you can read a bit into the nature of the poster. Learn how to read beyond the words as well as between the lines. I doubt Gee is one to be ignored. To ignore the message because of the reasons cited by that poster is in my view, raising questions of possible limitations. Stone > For some people, the syntax acts as a stone wall, blocking the ability to > comprehend the message. Not being able to read beyond the syntax is in my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ignored. To ignore the message because of the reasons cited by that poster > is in my view, raising questions of possible limitations. A further possibility is habit overflow from Instant Messenging or Chat programs; grammar/spelling/punctuation has no or little import. > > For some people, the syntax acts as a stone wall, blocking the ability to > > comprehend the message. Not being able to read beyond the syntax is in my [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > A further possibility is habit overflow from Instant Messenging or Chat > programs; grammar/spelling/punctuation has no or little import. And no content to speak of. >> For some people, the syntax acts as a stone wall, blocking the ability to >> comprehend the message. Not being able to read beyond the syntax is in my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > A further possibility is habit overflow from Instant Messenging or Chat > programs; grammar/spelling/punctuation has no or little import. Yeah, some of that befuddles me too, but befuddlement intrigues me so I educate myself about the lingo. Reading text is one thing, but reading the message is the key. Stone It's scary when you start making the same noises as your coffeemaker. > For some people, the syntax acts as a stone wall, blocking the ability to > comprehend the message. Not being able to read beyond the syntax is in my > estimation, a reading disability. It surely is for people like you who are surrounded by the lazy, ignorant, and/or illiterate. I will never limp before the lame. It does not do anyone any good. > "BarB" <pattist@earthlink.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I resent and detest your comparesment. Wahahahahahahahaha!!! >> resent and detest your comparesment. Just because someone thinks and types fast,it doesn't mean his/hers opinions are wrong or advice given careless! It simply means they type fast and didn't spell-check the document! >>> "Typing fast" is nothing to brag about, honey. A 10-year-old can "type fast" with your accuracy rate. Sherry > >> resent and detest your comparesment. Just because someone thinks and > types > fast,it doesn't mean his/hers opinions are wrong or advice given > careless! > It simply means they type fast and didn't spell-check the document! >>> > "Typing fast" is nothing to brag about, honey. A 10-year-old can "type > fast" with your accuracy rate. > > Sherry The same 10 year old is also perfectly capable of comprehending the message I wrote, which you and other Sherry seem to be having difficulties with. Now THAT, is not something YOU should brag about! Honey. Gee PS: Like I said before, I am a nice person, but if you gonna start on me FIRST, like you have, I will put you in your place, like I just did. So, do you wanna continue with more bellow the belt comments,or would you like to stop it here,and behave more maturely? Your choice. >> >> resent and detest your comparesment. Just because someone thinks and >> types > fast,it doesn't mean his/hers opinions are wrong or advice given [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > you wanna continue with more bellow the belt comments,or would you like to > stop it here,and behave more maturely? Your choice. It's funny that you should mention "10 year old" The other two that got kill filed would use terms meant to be derogatory that were so infantile in nature they made me wonder if they were in fact a couple of 9 year olds posing as adults. I see we have another one here in need of people to target. Stone >> "Typing fast" is nothing to brag about, honey. A 10-year-old can "type >> fast" with your accuracy rate. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The same 10 year old is also perfectly capable of comprehending the message >I wrote, which you and other Sherry seem to be having difficulties with. I've got got nine words for you: "Her waittol dherto wait as well! So NO not 'detrimental'" This is from your post. Nobody here could translate it. You're wrong about "below the belt" comments. Carola asked you, very nicely actually, to please spell-check so that readers could comprehend exactly what you're trying to say. You chose to get smart-alecky and belligerant. We can't see your face, and we don't know anything about you. So, your credibility is gauged by your written word. Your writing style leaves the impression that you're someone who obviously loves cats, but you're just not very smart. If that's the impression you *want* to leave, fine. Your post doesn't have to be error-free to leave a decent impression. But a post so riddled with bad grammar, bad spelling, and typos that it's totally unreadable isn't going to be taken seriously. Sherry > >> "Typing fast" is nothing to brag about, honey. A 10-year-old can "type > >> fast" with your accuracy rate. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I've got got nine words for you: > "Her waittol dherto wait as well! So NO not 'detrimental'" OMG! It's Farsi! Some sort of terrorist code!! :) Alert Homeland Security! > This is from your post. Nobody here could translate it. > You're wrong about "below the belt" comments. Carola asked you, very nicely [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > unreadable isn't going to be taken seriously. > Sherry > "M.C. Mullen" <mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch> wrote in message > news:4201b935$0$3410 [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > more mistakes, I apologise, but really, anyone who speaks English CAN > understand what I meant to say and that is much more important. Hi Gee, people should put more emphasis on getting the message than on nit picking it. They just might improve their reading comprehension skills regardless of what level it is at already. Stone > Hi Gee, people should put more emphasis on getting the message than on nit > picking it. They just might improve their reading comprehension skills > regardless of what level it is at already. > > Stone Absolutely! You are perfectly right. Also at this day and age of mobile phone text messaging developing its own abbreviated lingo, comprehension skills are even more important. Its really not hard, but some people, for a reason that escapes me, just do not want to accept it and move on with times :) But you can only take a cat to the water.You can;t make it drink :) Hi Geno, Considering your "hotel" I'm sure most people would tend to take your word for it (rightfully), *but* unlike your operation, the OP has 1 (one) cat to worry about; a cat that doesn't have the amount of competition that yours do. hi Patrick (great name :) Spraying is a habit but it's basis is in being 'intact'. My thoughts (also based on experience) are that the cat will come back and still spray for a bit (especially right after the operation, for good reason), but once healed you will be able to gradually curtail him from doing so. This means catching him just before he sprays (the tail is erect and the end quivers) and distracting him. Eventually (since it isn't a physical imperative anymore) he'll stop. I've had two boys that I almost had trained while still intact, but we got them neutered anyways... took a few days before we could stop them spraying again. Currently I have a female (spayed) that very occasionally sprays, but that's strictly territorial (two of my "girls" totally despise each other) pat > Cats are creatures of habit. Therefore, neutering will often not stop an > older male cat from spraying. if he has been doing it for a while as a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > --Geno > i found a stray he is not fixed yet he is about 2 years old > he was so thin you can feel each bones in his back. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > i dont want to put him out but the wife making this so hard > on me ill take e mail if you can help pnlob(at)juno.com Get him fixed. ....and if that doesn't work get rid of the wife. :)  SignatureI.P.Freely if you have the tom neutered and de flead plus wormed and she still does not want him then your only option is divorce animalpeople are the only ones.so find a cat lover. who understand you if you have the tom neutered and de flead plus wormed and she still does not want him then your only option is divorce animalpeople are the only ones who understand you .so find a cat lover. who understand you > i found a stray he is not fixed yet he is about 2 years old > he was so thin you can feel each bones in his back. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > i dont want to put him out but the wife making this so hard > on me ill take e mail if you can help pnlob(at)juno.com If he was able to survive for 2 years outside, then releasing him is an option. It would be best to wait until spring.
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