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Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 03:30 GMT

I have two kittens that will hit the 6 month old mark in a couple
days. Tonight, the male, Sachi, has begun to grab a hold of Hana's
(the female) nape. Is this mating behavior by Sachi? It sure looks
like it, but Hana is not in heat. Is it okay to let them stay
together overnight or should I separate them? Can they actually mate
if Hana has not matured yet? Thanks in advance for any help you may
have.

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jacquie0 - 29 Jan 2005 05:11 GMT

> I have two kittens that will hit the 6 month old mark in a couple
> days. Tonight, the male, Sachi, has begun to grab a hold of Hana's
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> if Hana has not matured yet? Thanks in advance for any help you may
> have.

Personally, I would seperate them NOW!!! Sachi smelling something that
you can't smell. It may appear that Hana is not in heat, but, she could
be coming into her first heat very soon. It has also been studied that
an intact male will try to mate with a female to bring her into heat. In
any cae, this is not a good thing. I don't think that you want you
little 6 month old Hana having any kittens. Especially since she is
still a kitten herself. It's time to get them both fixed ASAP.

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Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 16:23 GMT

>Personally, I would seperate them NOW!!! Sachi smelling something that
>you can't smell. It may appear that Hana is not in heat, but, she could
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>little 6 month old Hana having any kittens. Especially since she is
>still a kitten herself. It's time to get them both fixed ASAP.

Yeah, I think you may be right. I have Hana locked in a bathroom and
she was howling for a long time. And she, um... presented... her
backside to me this morning.

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jacquie0 - 29 Jan 2005 16:44 GMT

>>Personally, I would seperate them NOW!!! Sachi smelling something that
>>you can't smell. It may appear that Hana is not in heat, but, she could
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> she was howling for a long time. And she, um... presented... her
> backside to me this morning.

I do NOT envy you this weekend. It is going to seem to take forever.
With Hana in heat, and Sachi wanting to breed her, it could be quite
loud at your place. I hope that you have strong nerves. I am sure that
you are going to think that Tuesday will not come fast enough. I'm glad
that I am not at your place this weekend. LOL Here's praying that you
get through the weekend with your sanity still intact.

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Zathras - 01 Feb 2005 19:26 GMT

>I do NOT envy you this weekend. It is going to seem to take forever.
>With Hana in heat, and Sachi wanting to breed her, it could be quite
>loud at your place. I hope that you have strong nerves. I am sure that
>you are going to think that Tuesday will not come fast enough. I'm glad
>that I am not at your place this weekend. LOL Here's praying that you
>get through the weekend with your sanity still intact.

I got through it just fine, thank you very much! But then, I think
Hana was on the verge, but not quite in heat so I guess I cheated. ;-)
She was just wailing to get out of the bathroom and only wailed a few
times more after she got comfortable. They were for the most part
well-behaved except for some episodes when they were getting lonely.
They've never been apart so something like 3+ days apart was really
getting to them. Well, that and the hormone thing. :-P

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MarAzul - 29 Jan 2005 05:26 GMT

An intact female can become sexually mature as early as 4 months. Seperate
them and get her spayed ASAP. Cats are induced ovulators - the female will
not ovulate until the stimulus of mating is provided.

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>I have two kittens that will hit the 6 month old mark in a couple
> days. Tonight, the male, Sachi, has begun to grab a hold of Hana's
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> if Hana has not matured yet? Thanks in advance for any help you may
> have.

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Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 16:23 GMT

>An intact female can become sexually mature as early as 4 months. Seperate
>them and get her spayed ASAP. Cats are induced ovulators - the female will
>not ovulate until the stimulus of mating is provided.

I can't believe they can mature so fast. They've both got an
appointment for Tuesday. I just hope what I saw was the first time
they exhibited the behavior.

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Gee - 29 Jan 2005 23:14 GMT

> >An intact female can become sexually mature as early as 4 months. Seperate
> >them and get her spayed ASAP. Cats are induced ovulators - the female will
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> appointment for Tuesday. I just hope what I saw was the first time
> they exhibited the behavior.

Most likely yes. Like the other poster said most females will mature at
around 4-6 months old and yes can stay pregnant straight away.By the time my
friend took her 6 months old kitten for a spay, she was already around 6
weeks pregnant,and they had to 'abort' the kittens. She didn't even realise.
I almost got into the same pickle when my Tiara got into her first heat,and
I wasn't aware of it,cosshewasonly 5 months old. I was looking at her
playing outside with 2 big boys thinking "oh how sweet she's got new
friends! DAAH! :) It suddenly hit me what could be the REAL reason those
chaps are so friendly he he :)Poor boys, they slept by the window for a week
hoping to get lucky, while Tiara set on the window howling and teasing them

:) I had to feed them silly boys cos they did not go home! :) Vets here wont

do the op before 6mths old,soI had to wait. Interesting sounds they produce
while on heat, and yeah, she was offering herself even to my neighbours
female dog he he :)

But males seem to mature a wee bit later,~6mths+ , and 2 of my boys I had
done at the age of 6 months and neither has reached the sexual maturity
yet.Pls make sure he is done as well,as they will be less inclined togo
search for a female and disappear for weeks on end. And will fight less.

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Zathras - 01 Feb 2005 19:24 GMT

>:) I had to feed them silly boys cos they did not go home! :) Vets here wont
>do the op before 6mths old,soI had to wait. Interesting sounds they produce

This is the same as my vet. Does anyone know why some do this? Is it
because there is no conclusive evidence on early spay/neuter? Or
maybe legal issues? Or a higher risk of complications?

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Gee - 02 Feb 2005 06:50 GMT

> >:) I had to feed them silly boys cos they did not go home! :) Vets here wont
> >do the op before 6mths old,soI had to wait. Interesting sounds they produce
>
> This is the same as my vet. Does anyone know why some do this? Is it
> because there is no conclusive evidence on early spay/neuter? Or
> maybe legal issues? Or a higher risk of complications?

I dunno for sure, but Im just guessing its to do with development (some
hormones are made in testicles/ovaries ) and in females I suppose higher
risk of later complications,as they perform the full hysterectomy on them,
so it could possibly affect the development of other internal organs in some
way? This is in no way an official medical opinion, just my personal logic,
which could be completely wrong :) Any vetson the forum to clarify this?

Still vets in UK wont do the op before the 6months old, although I think in
States they would as eartly as around 3 months I think. But I personally
would never personally allow any baby to be put through such drastic
operation such is hysterectomy until its relatively well developed (such is
6 months in cats) so I agree with UK vets.

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