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Cat Forum / General Topics / January 2005What to do when male cat pees everywhere ?
Hi, My kid wants a cat. It seems we'd rather have a male cat, but we don't know what to do if he pees everywhere (we still have no experience with having cats). Can someone help me ? Thanks in advance, Seb. | Hi, | [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | | Seb. If you get him neutered with about 6 mths he should not spray. How about getting an adult cat which is already fixed, wormed, vaccinated from the shelter? Then you can pick exactly the personality of cat you want! Carola > Hi, > > My kid wants a cat. > It seems we'd rather have a male cat, but we don't know what to do if he > pees everywhere (we still have no experience with having cats). Both male and female cats have the ability to spray (it's *not* peeing), though it's usually the unneutered male that does so (he's marking territory). But a cat that was neutered before sexual maturation (ie: at or before 6 months or so) has never felt the need to spray and probably never will. Even a cat that was neutered later in life will have fallen out of the habit. Just go to your nearest shelter, tell the attendant you've never had a cat before and get his/her assistance choosing a cat or two. Make sure they're neutered before you bring them home and make sure it's got food water and a clean litterbox waiting for it. pat Firstly, make sure EVERYONE in the household wants a cat. Cats brought in just for a child often end up being thrown out or worse. It is an absolute that the adults are prepared to take on the responsibility. There is no reason to asume a male neutered cat will spray. If you are not around a lot of the time and intend to keep the cat indoors only, I would suggest getting two as they are happier with company. If the cat is to be outdoors part of the time, ensure that he has access to the house for shelter when you are not there. I hope that you find this useful,  SignatureSandra Sandra is right about getting two that are related or attached to each other. If you are gone much at all, they are happier & will play w/each other rather than your drapes, furniture, etc. At a shelter it is easy to find cats that are attached to each other and most will be able to tell you how they behave with kids, if they use the litter box, etc.Many have their vaccinations and neutering already done. Good luck and thanks for giving a needy pet a home! > Firstly, make sure EVERYONE in the household wants a cat. Cats brought in > just for a child often end up being thrown out or worse. It is an absolute [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the time, ensure that he has access to the house for shelter when you are > not there. I hope that you find this useful, >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Can someone help me ? Have him neutered before he is four to six months old ( my vet wants them to be at least four pounds). Males who spray have frequently not been neutered early enough. Instinct will cause them to mark their territory. Any cat, male or female, may urinate inappropriately when they are ill. It's usually a sign of a bladder infection. Thinking like a cat...If it hurts to urinate in my litter box, it may not hurt if I go somewhere else. Feed high-quality food and provide plenty of water and you shouldn't have a problem. Good luck BarB OK, thank you to you all. Don't worry : the kid wants a cat, but his mom too, so the cat won't be just a present for a week. I must admit we're not very fond of the neutering option (or pill option for a female cat). We'd rather keep the cat how Nature wanted him to be... That's why I was asking about how we should behave when the cat sprays (I didn't know the exact word). thank you again Seb. > I must admit we're not very fond of the neutering option (or pill > option for a female cat). We'd rather keep the cat how Nature wanted > him to be... The trouble with that is - nature designed the male cat to be extremely aggressive, go roaming, fight, etc, unless neutered. Amanda > I must admit we're not very fond of the neutering option (or pill option > for a female cat). We'd rather keep the cat how Nature wanted him to be... Felis *domesticus* is several thousands of years removed from "how Nature wanted him to be". If all you want is a stray cat then put some food out at night. > That's why I was asking about how we should behave when the cat sprays A male cat *can* be trained not to spray alot; you have to catch him just before he sprays (the end of his upright tail will quiver); a sharp "NO" (or "NON" in your case) should distract him. This will take at least a month. Be aware though, (and I speak from experience), an intact male will - spray when upset no matter how much training he has - actively pursue fights with other animals - wander off for days/weeks at a time and (probably) eventually leave. When you go to the shelter or veterinarian, inquire about the current cat population where you are. Sadly, in North America a *very* large amount of cats are euthanized each year; I don't know about France. (C'est tres importante; Je ne sais pas en France, mais dans Amerique d'Nord cents de mille des chats est muerte dans un annee pour al raison de "overpopulation"; SVP parlez avec un veterinarian) Unlike some other "owner options" such as declawing or tail-bobbing, neutering/spaying actually serves a real purpose. pat /snip/ > A male cat *can* be trained not to spray alot; you have to catch him > just before he sprays (the end of his upright tail will quiver); a sharp > "NO" (or "NON" in your case) should distract him. Well, yes, but don't you have to very quickly shoo him outdoor as well? /snip/ > Be aware though, (and I speak from experience), an intact male will > - spray when upset no matter how much training he has So do some neuters (and some spayed females take up spraying and other 'male' behaviors). Spraying isn't always about sex; it can be about stress, territory, conflict, overcrowding, confinement.... /snip/ > Sadly, in North America a *very* large > amount of cats are euthanized each year; I don't know about France. A vasectomied tom can actually help some neighborhood females skip a litter now and then, by keeping them busy with 'sterile mating'. Margaret S. Signaturehttp://www.sangerfan.com Common Pet Questions Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer, veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. >>A male cat *can* be trained not to spray alot; you have to catch him >>just before he sprays (the end of his upright tail will quiver); a sharp >>"NO" (or "NON" in your case) should distract him. > Well, yes, but don't you have to very quickly shoo him outdoor as well? never bothered, in my cats' case they seemed to forget what they were doing. >>Be aware though, (and I speak from experience), an intact male will >>- spray when upset no matter how much training he has > So do some neuters (and some spayed females take up spraying and other > 'male' behaviors). One of my "girls" does it sometimes... my poor computer monitor. > A vasectomied tom can actually help some neighborhood females skip a litter > now and then, by keeping them busy with 'sterile mating'. That would be my thoughts on the matter, do you know anybody (apart from breeders) who keeps a castrated tom ? Though of course that doesn't stop hormone-induced "tomcat" behaviour, ie: spraying, fighting, wandering. pat > >>A male cat *can* be trained not to spray alot; you have to catch him > >>just before he sprays (the end of his upright tail will quiver); a sharp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > never bothered, in my cats' case they seemed to forget what they were doing. I'd worry a bit about urinary system problems if he doesn't complete what he started to do -- but outdoors. > >>Be aware though, (and I speak from experience), an intact male will > >>- spray when upset no matter how much training he has [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > One of my "girls" does it sometimes... my poor computer monitor. Oh, dear. > > A vasectomied tom can actually help some neighborhood females skip a litter now and then, by keeping them busy with 'sterile mating'. > That would be my thoughts on the matter, do you know anybody (apart from breeders) who keeps a castrated tom ? I think you mean vasectomied? 'Castrated' means the regular sort of 'neutering',ie removal of testes. Vasectomied is more like tube-tying: the testicles are still there, just no longer connected to the penis. > Though of course that doesn't stop hormone-induced "tomcat" behaviour, ie: spraying, fighting, wandering. Yes, that's how he prevents litters. :) I know a vasectomied tom prevented quite a few litters in a feral cat colony project recently. Margaret S. Signaturehttp://www.sangerfan.com Common Pet Questions Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer, veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. > I'd worry a bit about urinary system problems if he doesn't complete what he > started to do -- but outdoors. no idea. >>>A vasectomied tom can actually help some neighborhood females skip a > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 'neutering',ie removal of testes. Vasectomied is more like tube-tying: the > testicles are still there, just no longer connected to the penis. not something I dwell on, but you're right. > I know a vasectomied tom prevented > quite a few litters in a feral cat colony project recently. Problem of having such a cat as a housepet is still the spraying (which is controllable with alot of training), the fighting (which costs in vet bills) and the wandering (and occasionally just leaving) /snip/ > > I know a vasectomied tom prevented > > quite a few litters in a feral cat colony project recently. > > Problem of having such a cat as a housepet is still the spraying (which > is controllable with alot of training) How much outdoor access did your tomcats have? I've never known it to take much training, as long as they could go outdoors frequently. Unless they were having some stress or rivalry indoors, they saved their spray for marking the perimeter of their territory, outdoors. Margaret S. Signaturehttp://www.sangerfan.com Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer, veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. > How much outdoor access did your tomcats have? I've never known it to take > much training, as long as they could go outdoors frequently. Unless they > were having some stress or rivalry indoors, they saved their spray for > marking the perimeter of their territory, outdoors. Bluntly, the house was a f*cking mess, mostly because I felt that after a few years of being the only one taking care of the cats that it was somebody else's turn. Enough. Currently both are neutered and have moved in with a couple down the street . pat >A vasectomied tom can actually help some neighborhood females skip a litter >now and then, by keeping them busy with 'sterile mating'. They do that in some feral colonies because the dominant male will continue to act like a male and keep other males from breeding. Some breeders use sterile males to take females out of heat when they don't want them to have litters. It's safer than drugs. Of course a vasectomy on a male does absolutely nothing for the spraying problem. BarB other question : if the cat has an access outdoor, will he still want/need to spray inside the house ? thank you S. > other question : > > if the cat has an access outdoor, will he still want/need to spray > inside the house ? Some people have found this successful, especially if he had a 'cat door' so he could go outside any time he felt an urge. The toms seemed to want to save their 'spray' to mark the perimeter of their territory, ie outdoors. Even a neutered cat can spray in the house if he or she has a conflict with another cat in the house or is stressed about something. Spayed females can begin spraying and other male behaviors. You might ask your vet whether vasectomy can also reduce the smell of the marking spray. There is more info about alternatives to spaying / neutering at my website. Margaret S. Signaturehttp://www.sangerfan.com Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer, veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker.
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