OK, folks. To summarize: the topic a few weeks ago was to declaw or not to
declaw. I was pro, some of you were con. As far as my cat is concerned,
who was tearing the hell out of everything and insisted on climbing up your
leg (whether you were wearing pants or not!),...I won. He was declawed
Monday morning along with a neuter-job.
We brought him home today and had prepared two litter boxes so he wouldn't
have to go up and down the steps. We were also prepared to delicately haul
him around for a few days.
Upon entering the house, he shot off like nothing had happened -- exploring
everywhere! When he came to the hardwood steps, he pounced up them (and
later down them) like nothing had happened. He's doing great!...and is by
ever indication, comfortable and lively.
Finally, for those of you who call this 'mutilation' that will "scar" the
cat for life. What about cutting off his "meat and two veg."?! Talk
about scaring! Given the choice, I bet he'd opt to lose the claws over
the eggs and bacon. :)
-dkar
Mary - 31 Dec 2003 03:44 GMT
>Finally, for those of you who call this 'mutilation' that will "scar" the
>cat for life. What about cutting off his "meat and two veg."?! Talk
>about scaring! Given the choice, I bet he'd opt to lose the claws over
>the eggs and bacon. :)
One, they didn't cut off his twig and berries, just the berries. Two, he just
had the surgery. It's tough to tell all the long term effects right after
surgery. You also can't forsee his entire future. What if he finds a way
outside? or you get another cat with claws? or you take him to a shelter and he
ends up an outside cat? An important thing with kitties is teaching them proper
clawing as kittens. Never allow a kitten to bite you in play, scratch you for
fun or climb your body. Cute as kittens, not so cute as adults. Always teach
them proper scratchy tree clawing as kittens. I've done kitten and cat rescue
for 20 years, never declawed a cat, just taught them how to claw appropriately.
I adopted one cat declawed and he had litter box problems (paws too sensitive
for normal litter) and he still clawed the furniture with his paws. I had to go
to a behavioral psychologist to cure his issues. I also had to teach him how to
use a scratchy tree. I do hope that your cat will be fine without claws but
it's tough to tell right now
dejablues - 02 Jan 2004 03:25 GMT
Ever declawed cat I ever met was a biter.
> >Finally, for those of you who call this 'mutilation' that will "scar" the
> >cat for life. What about cutting off his "meat and two veg."?! Talk
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> use a scratchy tree. I do hope that your cat will be fine without claws but
> it's tough to tell right now
-L. - 03 Jan 2004 10:42 GMT
> Ever declawed cat I ever met was a biter.
Yep. But then he'll take it in for a de-toothing...
-L.
dejablues - 02 Jan 2004 03:24 GMT
Cats don't think like humans. Take away their testicles, the urge for sex,
and sexual behaviors like marking and roaming and fighting, is gone.
Testicles produce hormones. OTOH, you can never take away the urge to
scratch by removing the claws.
Asking YOU if you'd rather lose the first half of all of your fingers,
versus your balls, would not be an equitable comparison.
Ask ME if I'd rather have scratched furniture , or piss-soaked carpet, I'd
choose the scratching. The price of cohabitating with a cat.
> OK, folks. To summarize: the topic a few weeks ago was to declaw or not to
> declaw. I was pro, some of you were con. As far as my cat is concerned,
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>
> -dkar
M.C. Mullen - 02 Jan 2004 05:26 GMT
What I can't understand is that anyone can object to a kitten climbing up
legs. Of course it hurts, but don't they all do it and don't they all stop
as soon as they can jump on the lap? Or to put it into other words: Do you
know of a grown up cat that climbs up legs? I don't.
The way to stop a kitten climb up legs is very natural: scream!
It's certainly no way out to declaw.
Carola
| Cats don't think like humans. Take away their testicles, the urge for sex,
| and sexual behaviors like marking and roaming and fighting, is gone.
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| >
| > -dkar
-L. - 03 Jan 2004 10:41 GMT
> What I can't understand is that anyone can object to a kitten climbing up
> legs. Of course it hurts, but don't they all do it and don't they all stop
> as soon as they can jump on the lap? Or to put it into other words: Do you
> know of a grown up cat that climbs up legs? I don't.
> The way to stop a kitten climb up legs is very natural: scream!
...and trim their nails.
-L.
-L. - 03 Jan 2004 10:44 GMT
> Cats don't think like humans. Take away their testicles, the urge for sex,
> and sexual behaviors like marking and roaming and fighting, is gone.
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> Ask ME if I'd rather have scratched furniture , or piss-soaked carpet, I'd
> choose the scratching. The price of cohabitating with a cat.
Oh s/he's already stated this:
"For the record, yes, I do value my furniture more than my cat." A
real charmer, this one...
-L.
Chris Street - 02 Jan 2004 17:39 GMT
>OK, folks. To summarize: the topic a few weeks ago was to declaw or not to
>declaw. I was pro, some of you were con. As far as my cat is concerned,
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>about scaring! Given the choice, I bet he'd opt to lose the claws over
>the eggs and bacon. :)
Cats are not people. He won't have the same attachment to meat and two
veg (and the meat will still be there.) that your average human male
will.
When he starts biting are you going to do your job properly and train
him not to, have him defanged or just dump the creature?
>-dkar

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-L. - 03 Jan 2004 10:40 GMT
> OK, folks. To summarize: the topic a few weeks ago was to declaw or not to
> declaw. I was pro, some of you were con. As far as my cat is concerned,
> who was tearing the hell out of everything and insisted on climbing up your
> leg (whether you were wearing pants or not!),...I won.
Did you even bother to learn how to trim his nails? Didn't think so.
> He was declawed
> Monday morning along with a neuter-job.
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> Finally, for those of you who call this 'mutilation' that will "scar" the
> cat for life. What about cutting off his "meat and two veg."?!
There are health benefits to neutering, but I didn't expect YOU to
have researched that.
> Talk
> about scaring! Given the choice, I bet he'd opt to lose the claws over
> the eggs and bacon. :)
>
> -dkar
When your cat starts pissing inappropriately, suffers regrowth
problems and/or has arthritis in his old age so severe he will hardly
walk and refuses to use the litter box, just remember these five
words: We told you so, a.shole.
-L.
equalizer - 03 Jan 2004 11:45 GMT
<SNIP>
>When your cat starts pissing inappropriately, suffers regrowth
>problems and/or has arthritis in his old age so severe he will hardly
>walk and refuses to use the litter box, just remember these five
>words: We told you so, a.shole.
>
>-L.
a.shole will suffice....
eq
Vixen aus - 04 Jan 2004 00:33 GMT
No need for that equalizer.
> <SNIP>
>
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>
> eq
Yngver - 13 Jan 2004 17:34 GMT
>When your cat starts pissing inappropriately, suffers regrowth
>problems and/or has arthritis in his old age so severe he will hardly
>walk and refuses to use the litter box, just remember these five
>words: We told you so, a.shole.
As has been the case with several staunch defenders of declawing that I have
known, the OP will probably deny that any of these problems could be related to
the declawing.
Wendy - 03 Jan 2004 12:36 GMT
I gather this is a kitten your talking about? Well duh, kittens climb legs.
They stop all by themselves and that can be helped by providing something
more fun than legs to climb. Kittens are also the easiest to train to
scratch appropriately. For the same cost as the declaw you could have
purchased or built a great cat tree. Not only would it have supplied an
appropriate place to scratch and climb but would provide exercise (much
needed for an inside cat) for years to come. If you start clipping claws
early (an opportunity you have with a kitten) it only takes a couple times
before you can do this without a fight.
I don't think you wanted to hear any suggestions tho. I suspect your mind
was made up before you ever posted here. For the sake of your cat I
sincerely hope he continues to do well and doesn't develop problems later.
OK, folks. To summarize: the topic a few weeks ago was to declaw or not to
declaw. I was pro, some of you were con. As far as my cat is concerned,
who was tearing the hell out of everything and insisted on climbing up your
leg (whether you were wearing pants or not!),...I won. He was declawed
Monday morning along with a neuter-job.
We brought him home today and had prepared two litter boxes so he wouldn't
have to go up and down the steps. We were also prepared to delicately haul
him around for a few days.
Upon entering the house, he shot off like nothing had happened -- exploring
everywhere! When he came to the hardwood steps, he pounced up them (and
later down them) like nothing had happened. He's doing great!...and is by
ever indication, comfortable and lively.
Finally, for those of you who call this 'mutilation' that will "scar" the
cat for life. What about cutting off his "meat and two veg."?! Talk
about scaring! Given the choice, I bet he'd opt to lose the claws over
the eggs and bacon. :)
-dkar
MarAzul - 04 Jan 2004 04:15 GMT
> I gather this is a kitten your talking about? Well duh, kittens climb legs.
<snip>
I personally liked it when my kids climbed my legs... Made it easier for me
to pick them up without bending over.. :) (lazy? yup!) But they stopped when
they got older.. :sigh:
Mar
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"I meant," said Ipslore, bitterly,"what is there in this world that makes
living worthwhile?"
Death thought about it.
"Cats," he said eventually, "Cats are nice."
-Terry Pratchett, 'Sourcery'
Wendy - 04 Jan 2004 15:53 GMT
> I gather this is a kitten your talking about? Well duh, kittens climb
legs.
<snip>
I personally liked it when my kids climbed my legs... Made it easier for me
to pick them up without bending over.. :) (lazy? yup!) But they stopped when
they got older.. :sigh:
Mar
lol I never minded the climbing much either. Sure lets you know when they
are ready for their first manacure.