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Cat Forum / General Topics / December 2003Planning for the worse
Hey, I got two little kittens about a month ago. This is the first time i've ever had two pets at once. They're both very close and are always sleeping together etc. Anyway, what happens when one dies? Should i buy another kitten for the other cat? I'd be heartbroken and very sad for not only the loss, but for the other cat who will become lonely. What do other people do in this situation? It must be awful and i dread the day of something happening like this. BJG Are you expecting one to die soon? This isn't a problem you should hopefully have to deal with for 10, 12, 14+, years. Why are you worrying about it now, enjoy your cats. When the time comes you'll know inside what's the best thing to do. > Hey, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > BJG > Are you expecting one to die soon? > This isn't a problem you should hopefully have to deal with for 10, 12, 14+, > years. > Why are you worrying about it now, enjoy your cats. > When the time comes you'll know inside what's the best thing to do. I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a cat last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One got poisoned - that was really sad, i was expecting him to live for ages. And another was killed by a kid on a bike. On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:43:10 +0000, SG Gibson wrote: > Are you expecting one to die soon? > This isn't a problem you should hopefully have to deal with for 10, 12, 14+, > years. > Why are you worrying about it now, enjoy your cats. > When the time comes you'll know inside what's the best thing to do. I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a cat last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One got poisoned - that was really sad, i was expecting him to live for ages. And another was killed by a kid on a bike. Have you considered keeping them inside or building a safe enclosure for them outside? > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:43:10 +0000, SG Gibson wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Have you considered keeping them inside or building a safe enclosure for > them outside? That's not a bad idea, but a bit cruel isn't it? Infact, in a few years, the city i live in is going to make this compulsory by law, as to stop cats from killing the wildlife. > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:43:10 +0000, SG Gibson wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the city i live in is going to make this compulsory by law, as to stop > cats from killing the wildlife. No, it isn't cruel. Letting cats out in an unsafe environment might be. If you give them toys, window perches, cat tree's or something to climb than cats can live very fulfilling lives indoors. Obviously it would be great if they could all go out into the woods and stalk butterflies but stalking cars is not a viable alternative. If the worse should happen and you lose one than yes, go to your local shelter or rescue group and get the remaining cat another playmate. Most cats do better with a friend. AG On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:30 -0500, Wendy wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:43:10 +0000, SG Gibson wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Have you considered keeping them inside or building a safe enclosure for > them outside? That's not a bad idea, but a bit cruel isn't it? Infact, in a few years, the city i live in is going to make this compulsory by law, as to stop cats from killing the wildlife. Cruel? It's a matter of choice I guess. What is more cruel keeping them inside or making a safe enclosure (could be as large as one wants to make it) or leaving the cats run free and end up as road pizza or poisoned? Cats aren't great at looking both ways before crossing the street. We don't blink at keeping our children in a fenced in yard or inside unless they are supervised - why not our cats? > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:30 -0500, Wendy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > at keeping our children in a fenced in yard or inside unless they are > supervised - why not our cats? It's the whole "wild animal" thing. I do treat my cat exactly like one would a small child when it comes to going outside. She can go in the fenced in back yard while I am home during the day. Not at night, not when I am not home to keep an eye on her and not out front to roam wild. I know that cats lived outdoors for years and that some people had an outdoor cat that lived to 100 etc. Thing is, I don't live in the wild, and there are more outdoor cats that don't make it past 5 than there are geriatrics out there. Don't like the odds. As for the suggestion that we all move to some place safe for our cats....ARE YOU CRAZY? Do you know how many cats and cat owners there are? There isn't enough "safe" places left on the planet for all of us. AG Agua Girl flushed and wrote : > I do treat my cat exactly like one >would >a small child Yep, great analogy here. Cats are like small children. Do your children use a litter box? Did you have your children de clawed? You need help. <insert usual long winded answer here > Agua Girl flushed and wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > children use a litter box? Did you have your children de clawed? > You need help. Who needs help, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? > <insert usual long winded answer here bjg flushed and wrote : >> Agua Girl flushed and wrote : >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Who needs help, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? How cute, sticking up for mommy eh? :-) > bjg flushed and wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > How cute, sticking up for mommy eh? > :-) Actually, i thought you were saying i need help. I edited my post because i wasn't sure who you were talking to, since a lot of people on this group tend to not reply properly *cough* Rich *cough*. bjg flushed and wrote : >> bjg flushed and wrote : >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >i wasn't sure who you were talking to, since a lot of people on this group >tend to not reply properly *cough* Rich *cough*. You follow orders well. Good monkee. :-) > > "bjg" <bjg@REMOVE.internode.on.net> wrote in message > > news:pan.2003.12.17.17.05.04.48317@REMOVE.internode.on.net... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One > > got poisoned - that was really sad, i was expecting him to live for ages. > > And another was killed by a kid on a bike. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > inside or making a safe enclosure (could be as large as one wants to make > it) or leaving the cats run free and end up as road pizza or poisoned? Cats > aren't great at looking both ways before crossing the street. We don't blink > at keeping our children in a fenced in yard or inside unless they are > supervised - why not our cats? It's the whole "wild animal" thing. I do treat my cat exactly like one would a small child when it comes to going outside. She can go in the fenced in back yard while I am home during the day. Not at night, not when I am not home to keep an eye on her and not out front to roam wild. I know that cats lived outdoors for years and that some people had an outdoor cat that lived to 100 etc. Thing is, I don't live in the wild, and there are more outdoor cats that don't make it past 5 than there are geriatrics out there. Don't like the odds. As for the suggestion that we all move to some place safe for our cats....ARE YOU CRAZY? Do you know how many cats and cat owners there are? There isn't enough "safe" places left on the planet for all of us. AG Basically your fenced in back yard under supervision = safe enclosure. The point was to try to keep the kitties out of the street. I guess I hear outside cat and assumed (always a bad idea to assume) that meant free roaming. Some people may live in an apartment where they can't build an outside safe area then perhaps they can leash train the cat (never had any luck myself with that endeavor). If that doesn't work then I still think inside beats the highway but then I live in an area with lots of cars and rotten kids and can't afford to move to a safe location. >That's not a bad idea, but a bit cruel isn't it? No, taking defenseless animals, which depend on you for food and shelter, and letting them outside is cruel. You sound very warped. Give them up immediately, they need someone who loves and cares for them, not someone who takes no responsibility. >>That's not a bad idea, but a bit cruel isn't it? > > No, taking defenseless animals, which depend on you for food and shelter, and > letting them outside is cruel. I don't leave them outside. Stop putting words into my mouth. as said, i'm 19 and my last cats before these were when i was 15 and younger. So i didn't exactly have a choice in keeping them inside or not as my parents didn't let me. I would have kept them inside if i could, but i've grown up thinking it's natural to let cats roam around. > You sound very warped. Yeah, well 99% of cat owners are warped. Give them up > immediately, they need someone who loves and cares for them, not someone who > takes no responsibility. I do love and care for them, and i do take responsibility. How many cats have you had, and if any have died, how did they die? Let's start from when you were born. Did you have any cats before you were 20 while living with your parents or guardian? Did this have an effect on your upbringing of the cat(s)? I'd move to somewhere more cat friendly. This may sound flippant, but you have to decide what's most important to you. My two are "the" most important thing to me. If something changed in my locality to threaten my cats, i'd have to move. My eldest has lived with me for 9 1/2 years. People don't understand what this means. I live on my own, i have no children, i have two cats, they are my children. I don't care if others can't accept this. SG* > > Are you expecting one to die soon? > > This isn't a problem you should hopefully have to deal with for 10, 12, 14+, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > got poisoned - that was really sad, i was expecting him to live for ages. > And another was killed by a kid on a bike. > I'd move to somewhere more cat friendly. > This may sound flippant, but you have to decide what's most important to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > children. > I don't care if others can't accept this. I'm with you here too. I have moved btw since then. I couldn't moce with the other cats since i was still in school and like <15. >I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a cat >last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One >got poisoned - that was really sad, i was expecting him to live for ages. >And another was killed by a kid on a bike. You should save yourself the trouble, and the kitties, and give them up now. By your own description, you are a lousy pet owner. >>I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a cat >>last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You should save yourself the trouble, and the kitties, and give them up now. > By your own description, you are a lousy pet owner. LOL, get f.cked, dickhead. I thought letting cats run around and have fun was natural. Even if it means getting run over. I thought let's see... the cat can be bored to death living inside my house, or can run around and do what cats do naturally with the CHANCE it could get hit by a car. > >>I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a cat > >>last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cat can be bored to death living inside my house, or can run around and do > what cats do naturally with the CHANCE it could get hit by a car. First off...govt has never posted here that I recall so the response is suspect. Secondly..your cats don't have to be bored inside. Toys, climbing posts and your attention help alleviate a lot of that. AG >> >>I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a cat >> >>last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > is suspect. Secondly..your cats don't have to be bored inside. > Toys, climbing posts and your attention help alleviate a lot of that. Yes, i bought them heaps of toys last week :) Over $100 worth, they love it. But i still think it's nice for them to get some fresh air and explore the garden etc once in a while. I don't lock them out or anything, but i do want them to see there's more to life than inside the house. > AG > >> >>I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a cat > >> >>last 5 years. I used to live on a busy highway and one was run over. One [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the garden etc once in a while. I don't lock them out or anything, but i > do want them to see there's more to life than inside the house. Try leash training. Some cats take to it and some don't. I really don't know what to tell you. I understand the desire to want to let them play outside. Sasha loves sitting on the patio waiting for butterflies...but she doesn't leave her yard. I don't let her out where cars, careless humans, or chemicals can harm her. It's up to you. You have to decide whats best for your cat in your environment. I just feel bad for you (and the cat). You barely got them and are already concerned about replacing them. AG >> >> >>I do, but i just wonder what i'd do if one died. I have never had a > cat [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > just feel bad for you (and the cat). You barely got them and are already > concerned about replacing them. I don't want to replace one for my sake. I'd only be upset for the other cat who would have lost a dear friend. But i am expecting them to live a long while. I will not let them out often and not out of my sight. I just thought it was the thing to do to let your cats roam free around the neighbourhood, but obviously it isn't. And i find it highly unnecessary for people to abuse me. On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:20:37 +0000, Agua Girl wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:08:34 +0000, Agua Girl wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > just feel bad for you (and the cat). You barely got them and are already > concerned about replacing them. I don't want to replace one for my sake. I'd only be upset for the other cat who would have lost a dear friend. But i am expecting them to live a long while. I will not let them out often and not out of my sight. I just thought it was the thing to do to let your cats roam free around the neighbourhood, but obviously it isn't. And i find it highly unnecessary for people to abuse me. It would be great if you can rig up something where the cats can go outside in the garden but can't get out of that area in to a more dangerous environment. I've heard of some people building a total enclosure and others modify an existing fence so the kitty can't climb over/under and escape. It is important for cats to get the exercise and just to have fun. In some situations tho outside isn't a safe alternative so we have to get more creative inside. Deep windowsills or cat perches where they can look outside, cat trees to climb on, toy mice to "stalk", laser lights or feathers to chase can keep the buggers busy. Or you could try leash training. That works for some people. >Hey, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >What do other people do in this situation? It must be awful and i dread >the day of something happening like this. I keep multiple cats of stagered ages. Loses seem to go largely unnoticed by the remaining cats, though introductions of new ones can be a bit dicey. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. I never thought to plan for the worse ...maybe I should get a mistress on the side just in case my wife dies? Rich -- > >Hey, > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." > somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. Rich flushed and wrote : >I never thought to plan for the worse ...maybe I should get a mistress on >the side just in case my wife dies? Great idea! A win win situation! :-) >I never thought to plan for the worst ... maybe I should get a mistress on >the side just in case my wife dies? Some of us feel the mistress is more important while the wife is alive. -- Bogus e-mail address, but I read this newsgroup regularly, so reply here. > I never thought to plan for the worse ...maybe I should get a mistress on > the side just in case my wife dies? It's for the sake of the other cat, not me... they're both sisters. | > I never thought to plan for the worse ...maybe I should get a mistress on | > the side just in case my wife dies? | | It's for the sake of the other cat, not me... they're both sisters. Just don't worry. If - and let's hope it won't happen - it comes to the worst, then it's time enough to plan on. Doors will open up. Just enjoy your cats now. And - I let my cat outside too and so do my vets, and one of them lives right beside a motorway... Carola That could be never ending. You'd need another mistress as a back up for when the wife divorces you because you have a mistress. I never thought to plan for the worse ...maybe I should get a mistress on the side just in case my wife dies? Rich -- > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:50:11 +1000, bjg <bjg@REMOVE.internode.on.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I got two little kittens about a month ago. This is the first time i've > >ever had two pets at once. They're both very close and are always sleeping > >together etc. > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." > somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. I admittedly got a new kitten for that reason.:) I have one cat at 5 1/2 years one at 3 1/2 so enter the new kitten But in your case I dont think you need to get one RIGHT NOW.... wait a few years :) > Hey, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > BJG |
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