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little question - why do cats have 4 toes in the back?

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Wally Sanford - 10 Dec 2003 06:36 GMT
Just wondering... why do cats have 5 toes (fingers) up front but only 4
in their hind paws? Just seems a little odd to me :P
JM - 10 Dec 2003 09:24 GMT
>Just wondering... why do cats have 5 toes (fingers) up front but only 4
>in their hind paws? Just seems a little odd to me :P

The fifth toe, the thumb, has evolved away. However, some cats still
have it. I have a gray tabby with five toes on his hind paws. Didn't
know it was special until the vet pointed it out to me.

JM
Ted Davis - 10 Dec 2003 14:43 GMT
>Just wondering... why do cats have 5 toes (fingers) up front but only 4
>in their hind paws? Just seems a little odd to me :P

The question is now why four is normal on the back, but why they
haven't lost the fifth toe on the front feet.  When they evolved to
walk on their toes, they started losing the toes that don't touch the
ground - they are useless, but expensive to grow and maintane so not
having them is a slight advantage.

However, see the photos of Sebastian's feet at
<http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/sebo.1.html> - and Google on
"cat" and "polydactyl".

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Orchid - 10 Dec 2003 16:40 GMT
>>Just wondering... why do cats have 5 toes (fingers) up front but only 4
>>in their hind paws? Just seems a little odd to me :P
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>ground - they are useless, but expensive to grow and maintane so not
>having them is a slight advantage.

    The reason they retain the thumb on the forefeet is that those
claws are used when grabbing prey (or toys, or human hands) and in
climbing.

Orchid
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Wendy - 12 Dec 2003 12:28 GMT
My part persian used  to pick up his food (kibble) in his paw and eat from
his "hand"

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:43:45 -0600, Ted Davis
<tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu> wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:36:03 -0800, "Wally Sanford"
><wsanford@wallysanford.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>ground - they are useless, but expensive to grow and maintane so not
>having them is a slight advantage.

The reason they retain the thumb on the forefeet is that those
claws are used when grabbing prey (or toys, or human hands) and in
climbing.

Orchid
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Shirley - 18 Dec 2003 19:57 GMT
Have you ever seen a cat sit up and beg for treats? or play fetch?

> My part persian used  to pick up his food (kibble) in his paw and eat from
> his "hand"
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Wendy - 18 Dec 2003 21:18 GMT
Don't know about sitting up and begging for treats but am well acquainted
with begging cats lol.

My Tiggy used to play fetch when she was young.

Wendy

Have you ever seen a cat sit up and beg for treats? or play fetch?

Wendy wrote:

> My part persian used  to pick up his food (kibble) in his paw and eat from
> his "hand"
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Hope Munro Smith - 18 Dec 2003 22:55 GMT
Why is it that cats will fetch when they are kittens, then after a few
years look at you like you're nuts if you suggest it?!

> Don't know about sitting up and begging for treats but am well
> acquainted with begging cats lol.
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
>> Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Wendy - 20 Dec 2003 15:03 GMT
Guess they figure out how useless the activity is lol. Probably the same
reason they lose interest in the laser lights after a while too.

W

Why is it that cats will fetch when they are kittens, then after a few
years look at you like you're nuts if you suggest it?!

"Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com> wrote in
news:TLidnSvQau8mhH-iRVn-sQ@comcast.com:

> Don't know about sitting up and begging for treats but am well
> acquainted with begging cats lol.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
>> Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
oldfart@senior-center.com - 30 Dec 2003 10:42 GMT
>Guess they figure out how useless the activity is lol. Probably the same
>reason they lose interest in the laser lights after a while too.
>
>W

Same reason old people lose interest in sex.

(Been there, done that, give me something new and exciting !!!! )
Wally Sanford - 10 Dec 2003 21:01 GMT
>> Just wondering... why do cats have 5 toes (fingers) up front but
>> only 4 in their hind paws? Just seems a little odd to me :P
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ground - they are useless, but expensive to grow and maintane so not
> having them is a slight advantage.

Thank you for your info.

> However, see the photos of Sebastian's feet at
> <http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/sebo.1.html> - and Google on
> "cat" and "polydactyl".

Wow six toes interesting kitty ;p
JM - 12 Dec 2003 13:47 GMT
>However, see the photos of Sebastian's feet at
><http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/sebo.1.html> - and Google on
>"cat" and "polydactyl".

Interesting indeed, never heard of that phenomenom...

Schumi, my gray tabby, also has five toes on his hind paws (as I said
earlier in the thread), but he is not a polydactyl cat; he just still
has the gene for the dew claw on his hind paws.

As my vet explained to me, that fifth toe has evolved away but some
cats still retain the gene for it.

The fifth toe is not next to he other four as it is in polydactyls,
but rather halfway up his foot. My other cats just have a little bony
bump there.

JM
Ted Davis - 12 Dec 2003 21:34 GMT
>>However, see the photos of Sebastian's feet at
>><http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/sebo.1.html> - and Google on
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>but rather halfway up his foot. My other cats just have a little bony
>bump there.

Sebastian is clearly polydactyl, and his sixth toe on the rear feet is
in dewclaw position, but he doesn't have front dewclaws.

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NickKnight - 10 Dec 2003 15:04 GMT
>Just wondering... why do cats have 5 toes (fingers) up front but only 4
>in their hind paws? Just seems a little odd to me :P

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