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Rechelle - 10 Nov 2003 04:56 GMT
What are your opinions/thoughts on that new flushable clumping cat litter?
Has anyone tried it?
BigNetBuy - 10 Nov 2003 14:31 GMT
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>What are your opinions/thoughts on that new flushable clumping cat litter?
>Has anyone tried it?

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it works pretty good, but I had trouble getting the cats head through the
u-bend.  The paws and tail went through OK because they kind of folded up or
bend at the joints, but the head will have to be in smaller pieces.

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NickKnight - 10 Nov 2003 14:40 GMT
|What are your opinions/thoughts on that new flushable clumping cat litter?
|Has anyone tried it?

I wouldn't try it.  Especially after a few years ago when my
mother had a major flood and when her sewer line clogged
from something.  

The resulting flood covered several miles of area, and
ended up costing many thousands of dollars.  Insurance
covered none of it, the town and the state also covered none
of it.  
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Rechelle - 10 Nov 2003 14:49 GMT
Yes but this is a new formula, it's by Arm & Hammer I believe.  It's called
Easy Flush.  It's brand new (only been out a few months).

"NickKnight" <NickKnightonFKNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I wouldn't try it.  Especially after a few years ago when my
mother had a major flood and when her sewer line clogged
from something.

The resulting flood covered several miles of area, and
ended up costing many thousands of dollars.  Insurance
covered none of it, the town and the state also covered none
of it.
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NickKnight - 10 Nov 2003 20:23 GMT
|Yes but this is a new formula, it's by Arm & Hammer I believe.  It's called
|Easy Flush.  It's brand new (only been out a few months).
Clumping cat litter you can flush, sounds like a dream come
true for plumbers.  

Anyone have this product who can post what the disclaimer is
on it?  

The bottom line, Arm & Hammer must be doing some fancy
footwork on that disclaimer to get out  of being responsible
for plumbing bills.  

After having many clogged drains over the years I wouldn't
chance it.  
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Rechelle - 10 Nov 2003 20:52 GMT
Are you always this negative?  Have you actually *tried* the product?

Clumping cat litter you can flush, sounds like a dream come
true for plumbers.

Anyone have this product who can post what the disclaimer is
on it?

The bottom line, Arm & Hammer must be doing some fancy
footwork on that disclaimer to get out  of being responsible
for plumbing bills.

After having many clogged drains over the years I wouldn't
chance it.
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NickKnight - 10 Nov 2003 23:20 GMT
|Are you always this negative?  Have you actually *tried* the product?
No i've never tried the product and never will.  

Let me put it this way, i've spent too much money on
plumbing bills over the years, i'm not going to chance it.

Think about it: you have cat litter that clumbs when you get
it wet.  So when you go to flush it down the toilet it
will get wet, meaning it will clumb more.  The more it
clumps the more likely it will be to clog.  

Also see message I posted about the experience my
mother had when the sewer on her street flooded and
the resulting flood covered several miles.  

The bottom line for me: i'll continue to buy my current
disposable cat litter than chance getting a $5,000+
bill from the city/state when the sewer lines back up or
have to spent mega-bucks for a plumber.  

I've already spent too much money on plumbers.

I would point out in their ads I doubt you'll see anything
to the effect that they guarantee it won't clog your
pipes no ifs ands or buts.    I would challenge anyone from
the manufacturer to proove me wrong on that.  I won't hold
my breath waiting for it.  

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Judy - 11 Nov 2003 02:22 GMT
> |Are you always this negative?  Have you actually *tried* the product?
> No i've never tried the product and never will.
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> will get wet, meaning it will clumb more.  The more it
> clumps the more likely it will be to clog.

Sorry, but you are mistaken. Flushable clumping cat litters are designed to
and do break down in a volume of water. Within a very short period of time,
they fall apart.

Judy & Matilda
NickKnight - 11 Nov 2003 14:50 GMT
|Sorry, but you are mistaken. Flushable clumping cat litters are designed to
|and do break down in a volume of water. Within a very short period of time,
|they fall apart.
How can that be?  It is designed to clump when it gets wet.
And then it stays clumped.   And it has to be strong enough
to stay clumped when a cat steps on it.  

Sorry, i'm not convinced.  And i'm not going to be convinced
with my pipes.   I don't have a few extra thousand dollars
to experiment on my pipes.  
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Magic Mood Jeep? - 11 Nov 2003 15:07 GMT
Ever build a sand castle???? When sand is DAMP it clumps - when WET or
COMPLETELY IMMERSED in water it flows along with the water.  Same principle
with the flushable clumping cat litter.  Try it with a bowl of water.  Take
a few drops of water and make a clump of the cat litter - then take said
clump and immerse it in the bowl of water.  I bet it breaks apart.  I would
love to use the stuff myself, but we are on septic and all that flushed cat
litter would eventually fill the tank, but if you're on sewer, it keeps
flowing with the 'water' until it gets to the treatment plant, then it's
sorted out with the other 'sediment'.

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> |Sorry, but you are mistaken. Flushable clumping cat litters are designed to
> |and do break down in a volume of water. Within a very short period of time,
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Judy - 11 Nov 2003 18:23 GMT
> |Sorry, but you are mistaken. Flushable clumping cat litters are designed to
> |and do break down in a volume of water. Within a very short period of time,
> |they fall apart.
> How can that be?  It is designed to clump when it gets wet.
> And then it stays clumped.

It stays clumped until a larger volume of water is added. Take a clump of
cat pee and plop it into a toilet bowl full of water it becomes
oversaturated and falls apart.

Put tablespoon of flour in a bowl. Stir in a few drops of water, stir in a
few more. Eventually you'll have a clump. Then add two cups of water. Stir
the clump around and you'll have a very watery mixture.

>And it has to be strong enough
>to stay clumped when a cat steps on it.

Yes.

> Sorry, i'm not convinced.

That's ok. I just don't think you understand how flushable clumping litters
work.

> And i'm not going to be convinced
> with my pipes.   I don't have a few extra thousand dollars
> to experiment on my pipes.

I don't believe that anyone is trying to convince you to use the stuff.

Best wishes to you and your pipes. :c)

Judy & Matilda
Rich Cacace - 11 Nov 2003 16:31 GMT
It's obvious who the home owners are & who rents.  What's wrong with putting
the clumped litter in a bag & throwing it out with our garbage?

> |Are you always this negative?  Have you actually *tried* the product?
> No i've never tried the product and never will.
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NickKnight - 11 Nov 2003 22:24 GMT
On "Rich Cacace" <richcacace-REMOVE TO REPLY-@optonline.net>
wrote:

|It's obvious who the home owners are & who rents.  What's wrong with putting
|the clumped litter in a bag & throwing it out with our garbage?
Yes  I do own my own house.

I would point out some clumping cat liters advise you not to
flush down the toilet.  

I just put it out with the trash.  
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Cheryl - 12 Nov 2003 02:04 GMT
> On "Rich Cacace" <richcacace-REMOVE TO REPLY-@optonline.net>
> wrote:
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> I just put it out with the trash.

I do, too.  The question to me is, does it biodegrade?  Sometimes the
amount of litter I put out in the normal trash outweighs my household
trash.  What happens to it out in the landfills?  I have a FeLV+ cat,
does the way the trash handlers dispose of it endanger other wildlife,
or other cats if it is somehow recycled?  Or feral cats living around
the landfill.  Some would say "the strong survive" but does that
pertain to our human lifestyle?
Zeus & Zoe's Mom - 11 Nov 2003 17:37 GMT
> Are you always this negative?  Have you actually *tried* the product?

Rechelle,
I tried this product when I first moved into my condo and when I lived in
Denver a few months ago. I have never had a problem with it and it was very
convenient for me. In Denver I lived in an apartment, here I live in a condo
I own. I found sometimes that there was more in the box than I would
normally flush down the toilet, I would do it in stages, maybe that's the
problem some people have. Even toilet paper in large clumps will clog pipes!
I would only put in there the amount that would flush easily. I have 2 cats
and would clean out the box every night, usually I could get it in 2
flushes, but sometimes it took 3 - I just wanted to be safe. Since it is not
clay based, as I remember anyway, I don't think you will have a problem,
just be smart about how much you flush. Other than that, I loved the stuff!!
Now I have an automatic box so I don't have to worry about it anymore. In my
opinion, the litter was very good. I hope that helps!
~ ZZZ

> Clumping cat litter you can flush, sounds like a dream come
> true for plumbers.
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Judy - 11 Nov 2003 02:09 GMT
I haven't tried it Rechelle, but I just did a little read on it and appears
to be worthy of a try. I've been using a flushable clumping litter for the
past three years without any problems. The only thing about the one I'm
using is it's own aroma. It's made of vegetable matter and has a bit of a
stink. After I dump it into the box, I dump in some Arm and Hammer litter
box deodorizer. :c)

The only time I wouldn't use a flushable clumping litter is if I was on a
septic system at the litter doesn't have a place to go other than the tank.

Anyway, I think I'll check it out the next time I'm at Petsmart or wherever.

Judy & Matilda

http://www.armhammerpets.com/CatProductsHome.htm

> Yes but this is a new formula, it's by Arm & Hammer I believe.  It's called
> Easy Flush.  It's brand new (only been out a few months).
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Rechelle - 11 Nov 2003 02:36 GMT
Hey if you do try it, let me know.  I'ld love to get people who have
*actually* tried it, instead of people who have decided to be a.ses about
it.  :D

I haven't tried it Rechelle, but I just did a little read on it and appears
to be worthy of a try. I've been using a flushable clumping litter for the
past three years without any problems. The only thing about the one I'm
using is it's own aroma. It's made of vegetable matter and has a bit of a
stink. After I dump it into the box, I dump in some Arm and Hammer litter
box deodorizer. :c)

The only time I wouldn't use a flushable clumping litter is if I was on a
septic system at the litter doesn't have a place to go other than the tank.

Anyway, I think I'll check it out the next time I'm at Petsmart or wherever.

Judy & Matilda

http://www.armhammerpets.com/CatProductsHome.htm

> Yes but this is a new formula, it's by Arm & Hammer I believe.  It's
called
> Easy Flush.  It's brand new (only been out a few months).
>
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Judy - 11 Nov 2003 03:56 GMT
Will do!

Judy & Matilda

> Hey if you do try it, let me know.  I'ld love to get people who have
> *actually* tried it, instead of people who have decided to be a.ses about
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NickKnight - 11 Nov 2003 14:56 GMT
|Hey if you do try it, let me know.  I'ld love to get people who have
|*actually* tried it, instead of people who have decided to be a.ses about
|it.  :D
Hey i'm not being an a.s about it as you say,   I just want
an iron clad guarantee that the manufacturer will
cover my plumbing bills if something goes wrong.  I don't
have thousands of dollars to cover the plumbing bills like
others do.  I'm glad some people on this
newsgroup have a few extra thousand dollars lying
around that they can blow on plumbers.

If the manufacturer says it is safe for the plumbing and
won't clog then put your money where your mouth is.
The manufacturer should say they will cover plumbing
bills no ifs no ands no buts no exceptions at all.

I'm betting they don't have that blurb on the package.

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Daz - 11 Nov 2003 02:04 GMT
> What are your opinions/thoughts on that new flushable clumping cat litter?
> Has anyone tried it?

Sounds like a pretty good idea unless you have the waste of 15 cats to
dispose of.

Daz
Rechelle - 11 Nov 2003 02:26 GMT
Got 4 only.  It isn't a big deal to scoop but it'ld be nice to have a box
that instead of scooping into a bag, in which my darling kitten tries to
play with, just send it down the toilet.

I still think that I should've named my kitten Trouble instead of Mischief
... LOL!

> What are your opinions/thoughts on that new flushable clumping cat litter?
> Has anyone tried it?

Sounds like a pretty good idea unless you have the waste of 15 cats to
dispose of.

Daz
Rich - 11 Nov 2003 10:29 GMT
Rechelle,  My question might make you decide which way you want to go.

Are you on a city/county sewer system  /or/  do you have your own septic
tank?

If you say the first, then I say to give it a try, it will probably go
through without problems as long as you use enough flush water to wash it
down, at least four or more times the amount of water over the litter.  If
you say you have your own septic tank, then I say don't flush that litter
down your drain.  There is no litter on the market that is biodegradable,
meaning it would settle on the bottom of your tank and stay there for ????
...same as coffee grounds, egg shells and I could name more.  I suggest that
you call a company that specializes in septic tank cleaning and drainline
cleaning to verify this information.  I might add the other guy is not
necessarily an 'a.s' as upi said ...his information is indeed true, that is
if you do not use ENOUGH WATER in flushing that litter through the pipes.

Good luck

Rich
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> Got 4 only.  It isn't a big deal to scoop but it'ld be nice to have a box
> that instead of scooping into a bag, in which my darling kitten tries to
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>
> Daz
Fred - 11 Nov 2003 23:28 GMT
I keep the litter box next to a window so I can use the scooper and simply
flick it out the window (just kidding). hahaha
How lazy are people getting these days?  ;-)

> What are your opinions/thoughts on that new flushable clumping cat litter?
> Has anyone tried it?
Rechelle - 13 Nov 2003 06:19 GMT
:) Not lazy, just curious.  Eopinions.com has nothing on it, so I figured
I'ld come to the experts.  :)  Plus maybe I can hubby to do it once in
awhile then. LOL!

I keep the litter box next to a window so I can use the scooper and simply
flick it out the window (just kidding). hahaha
How lazy are people getting these days?  ;-)
Judy - 13 Nov 2003 11:14 GMT
Hi Rechelle,

I checked at Petsmart for the Arm and Hammer and they're not carrying
it -yet. Figure that's because I live in Canada. I did see World's Best Cat
Litter and that's pretty much the same as what I'm using now.

Judy & Matilda

> :) Not lazy, just curious.  Eopinions.com has nothing on it, so I figured
> I'ld come to the experts.  :)  Plus maybe I can hubby to do it once in
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> flick it out the window (just kidding). hahaha
> How lazy are people getting these days?  ;-)
 
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