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Mogie - 27 Oct 2003 21:08 GMT
Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?
NickKnight - 26 Oct 2003 21:13 GMT
|Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
|him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
|abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?
Locally there is a guy who is being brought up on charges of
killing a neighbors dog.  Of course the other side of the
story is he killed the dog after the dog killed his
daughters cat and a number of other pets.  Who knows how
this will work out.
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MaryL - 27 Oct 2003 03:10 GMT
> |Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
> |him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
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I doubt if you can legally have your neighbor's cat neutered.  However, most
localities permit you to trap the cat if it is on your property and take it
to your local animal shelter.  Some shelters even have traps that they will
let you borrow (or rent for a small fee).  You may want to check regulations
on this, but the shelter should also be able to give you the information you
need.  Be sure to give your neighbor's names, address, and telephone number
to the animal shelter.  There will be a fee to retrieve the cat, and your
neighbor may grow tired enough of that to become more responsible about
keeping their cat indoors.

Incidentally, I am assuming from all this that you do not let your own
animals roam off your property.  If you do, you have just lost legal and
moral standing!  Most particularly, if the attacks have taken place OFF your
property, your case is lost.

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M.C. Mullen - 27 Oct 2003 06:09 GMT
| |Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
| |him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
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| daughters cat and a number of other pets.  Who knows how
| this will work out.

Where I live the neighbour has to pay for the cost caused to you by his cat.

Carola
Mogie - 27 Oct 2003 21:33 GMT
What does that have to do with trappong my neightbors cat and having him
altered?

> |Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
> |him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
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NickKnight - 27 Oct 2003 00:47 GMT
|What does that have to do with trappong my neightbors cat and having him
|altered?
It means I would find a lawyer who speciallizes in animal
law before even considering any options,  The laws are
about as clear as mud.  

It means you could be on very shaky legal ground.
One thing  that further complicates mattes is that
some cats have mulitple owners.  
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Nikki West - 26 Oct 2003 23:25 GMT
I wouldn't have him neutered, just because you could probably get in trouble
for it.  If the cat's owner isn't taking care of it, the owner is probably
an a.s, and will try and get you in trouble just for the hell of it.

What you probably *could* do is take him to court to recoup your losses from
taking your cat to the vet.  I'm sure that would be a valid case, and it
might teach the owner to be more responsible.

Nikki

> Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
> him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
> abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?
Daz - 27 Oct 2003 00:55 GMT
> I wouldn't have him neutered, just because you could probably get in trouble
> for it.  If the cat's owner isn't taking care of it, the owner is probably
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> > him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
> > abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?

I would think the courts have more pressing cases than dealing with domestic
situations involving disputes over what one cat did to another cat. Do what
an increasing number of pissed off people are doing when trying to resolve
issues to do with irresponsible cat owners and deal with it yourself.
No cat, no problem.

Daz
Nikki West - 27 Oct 2003 02:41 GMT
Isn't that what Small Claims court is for.....matters that aren't
necessarily of great importance?  If you can take someone to court to recoup
costs of fixing a vehicle after a fender bender, why not the cost of vet
bills?

Nikki

> > I wouldn't have him neutered, just because you could probably get in
> trouble
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>
> Daz
Daz - 27 Oct 2003 02:53 GMT
> Isn't that what Small Claims court is for.....matters that aren't
> necessarily of great importance?  If you can take someone to court to recoup
> costs of fixing a vehicle after a fender bender, why not the cost of vet
> bills?
>
> Nikki

I have tried the small claims court route in the past to recover small
amounts owing to me but it seems although you can get a decision in your
favour it is still difficult to get any recompense.
If they don't want to pay then you have to resort to bailiffs (who have no
powers unless it seems, the inland revenue are involved) or going through a
long an arduous procedure to find out their employer (assuming they are
employed) to get money stopped at source.
In short, unless you are lucky or prepared for a long drawn out battle, the
small claims method is a waste of time and money.

Daz
Nikki West - 27 Oct 2003 03:16 GMT
Yeesh, sounds crappy.  I didn't know it was such a burden to try and get
what's owed....luckily I've never had to take any one to court.  Thanks for
the info.
Nikki

> > Isn't that what Small Claims court is for.....matters that aren't
> > necessarily of great importance?  If you can take someone to court to
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>
> Daz
onebyone - 28 Oct 2003 06:54 GMT
FOR GOD sakes.......the ignorant a.s neighbor will NEVER even know that the
cat has been neutered.
Mogie, do it, you will NEVER regret it.  Sheesh people.....get real!
> Isn't that what Small Claims court is for.....matters that aren't
> necessarily of great importance?  If you can take someone to court to recoup
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> >
> > Daz
nimue - 27 Oct 2003 03:46 GMT
> Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care
> of him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet
> from an abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?

A friend of mine had a male cat that she didn't have neutered.  He
disappeared one Superbowl Sunday, and when he didn't return, she assumed the
worst.  He was a very unusual cat -- unusual markings, weird meow.  Anyway,
Mr. Cat finally returned to my friend -- on Easter Sunday.  When he
returned, he had been neutered!  Who knows what happened?  It was the best
thing that could have happened, imo.

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Daz - 27 Oct 2003 03:49 GMT
> > Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care
> > of him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet
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> returned, he had been neutered!  Who knows what happened?  It was the best
> thing that could have happened, imo.

That saved her some expense, right?
I hope she contributed to the cost of the neutering by donating some money
to a children's charity.

Daz
Joe Pitt - 27 Oct 2003 13:46 GMT
Most cities/counties allow an animal to be picked up that is a nuisance.
Perhaps your local animal control can convince him to have it neutered, or
loose it. If the cat is on YOUR property you can probably do whatever you
want.

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> Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
> him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
> abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?
MaryL - 27 Oct 2003 16:55 GMT
>If the cat is on YOUR property you can probably do whatever you
> want.

Not "whatever" someone wants ... it must be reasonable and humane.  For
example, no one has the right to "dispose" of someone else's cat (by
killing, dumping, euthanasia, or giving it away).  However, in most cities
you do have the right to trap the cat if it is on your property and turn it
in to a local animal shelter.

MaryL
Myra - 28 Oct 2003 06:28 GMT
>>If the cat is on YOUR property you can probably do whatever you
>> want.
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>
>MaryL

We had a neigborhood cat bothering everyone in our area and the owner
didn't care.  We called our local animal shelter and they told us to
trap it and drown it.  They did have room for it.

Myra
MaryL - 28 Oct 2003 15:39 GMT
> >>If the cat is on YOUR property you can probably do whatever you
> >> want.
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>
> Myra

That's incredible!  They recommended an action that is both illegal and
inhumane???  Someone needs to do something about replacing the staff (or at
least *that person*) of the animal "shelter."  I have never heard of an
employee of an animal shelter taking that position -- no matter how
over-filled the shelter is.

MaryL
Judy - 28 Oct 2003 03:56 GMT
> Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
> him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
> abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?

Don't see any reason for not doing so. If the neighbors don't take care of
him, I doubt that they'd realize an alterization had been done.

I imagine the cost of neutering would be worth it.
onebyone - 28 Oct 2003 06:51 GMT
Get the cat and have it neutered! I have done this countless times, to
neighbors cats and strays. They will never even noticed that it HAS been
neutered. I guarantee you this! Truest me, they aren't looking to continue
his "bloodline". They are just your typical irresponsible pet owners. DON'T
take this cat to the shelter, thinking that these people will go looking for
it, have it neutered and everyone will live happily ever after. There is a
95 percent chance that the cat will be euthanized (a polite term for
killed).
Spend a few dollars to neuter this cat, and this investment will pay for
itself. He will mellow out and become quite the homebody.....at your
neighbors home.

> Our neighbors have a male cat that is unaltered. They don't take care of
> him. He attacks our cats and I have had to take one to the vet from an
> abcess. Can I humanely trap that cat and have him neutered?
Nikki West - 28 Oct 2003 16:59 GMT
Or if there's a non-kill shelter in your area you could take it there.  If
you trap, neuter and release it again, there's still the chance of it
wandering off and getting hit by a car or something.  If you take it to a
non-kill shelter, the chance of it being adopted by a loving person
increases.
Dee - 28 Oct 2003 18:57 GMT
> Or if there's a non-kill shelter in your area you could take it there.  If
> you trap, neuter and release it again, there's still the chance of it
> wandering off and getting hit by a car or something.  If you take it to a
> non-kill shelter, the chance of it being adopted by a loving person
> increases.

Very true, but no-kill shelters are usually full to the brim, and you may
have to call many, have great patience, and foster the cat yourself for a
while until space can be found.  Every time I've told myself I was going
to do this I got a new cat :)

Dee
Sherry - 28 Oct 2003 20:15 GMT
>Very true, but no-kill shelters are usually full to the brim, and you may
>have to call many, have great patience, and foster the cat yourself for a
>while until space can be found.  Every time I've told myself I was going
>to do this I got a new cat :)
>
>Dee

*Exactly* what's happened to me. Every time I read on this group that someone
is taking a stray to a no-kill shelter, I think, "Uh HUH. You just got yourself
a new cat."

Sherry
-L. - 29 Oct 2003 01:13 GMT
> >Very true, but no-kill shelters are usually full to the brim, and you may
> >have to call many, have great patience, and foster the cat yourself for a
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>
> Sherry

When push comes to shove, they always cave. ;)

-L.
CobaltFjord - 05 Nov 2003 06:56 GMT
I don't know whether it is legal or not, but I would do it if I were in your
place without my neigbors knowledge.  You can buy a trap at Home Depot or Lowes
Home Improvement
Daz - 06 Nov 2003 00:05 GMT
> I don't know whether it is legal or not, but I would do it if I were in your
> place without my neigbors knowledge.  You can buy a trap at Home Depot or Lowes
> Home Improvement

But do they supply one that will fit into a standard 240Ltr waterbutt? ...
;o)

Daz
 
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