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At last I have had my first success, I have been plagued by a neighbours cat crapping in my garden over the summer. Countless attempts to dissuade it from entering my property and words with the neighbour have been fruitless so have resorted to trapping and releasing the said cat several miles away. Got the idea from a post in this group some time back so thanks to whoever had the idea. Daz >At last I have had my first success, I have been plagued by a neighbours cat >crapping in my garden over the summer. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Got the idea from a post in this group some time back so thanks to whoever >had the idea. Stealing and dumping cats will win you no friends here - you are part of the problem and you just turned your one problem into two problems for other people. You had best hope your neighbor never finds out you stole his cat and that the animal welfare folks don't find out you dumped it. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) > Stealing and dumping cats will win you no friends here - you are part > of the problem and you just turned your one problem into two problems > for other people. You had best hope your neighbor never finds out you > stole his cat and that the animal welfare folks don't find out you > dumped it. I like you Ted. Daz ...you're an a.s. If that were one of my cats you'd so be wishin' you hadn't done that I can't even begin to tell you. Dee >> Stealing and dumping cats will win you no friends here - you are part >> of the problem and you just turned your one problem into two problems [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Daz ...you're an a.s. If that were one of my cats you'd so be wishin' you >hadn't done that I can't even begin to tell you. I think someone dumped one on me - I've mentioned Mooch before: a handsome black cat that is clearly trying to join my colony and is willing even to come inside to eat (provided Sebastian will let him). I can't get near him though, but he started out living beyond my back fence, and now seems to be spending a lot of time under my workshop and under one of my trucks. I finally sort of got a picture of him: almost no light left, 30 feet away, hand held telephoto through an open window, then clip out the tiny black spot in the picture. ( A later flash picture has the worst case of white eye I think I have ever seen.) <http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/mooch/> I've been expecting dumps ever since I moved to the country and acquired a population of cats - it's obvious that cats are welcome at my place. I take in dumps, and I have a very low opinion of people who take animals out to the country and discard them. Funny thing, dumps often turn out to be great pets: Dandy and Maryweather were dumps at the edge of town, I took them in, and while Dandy became somewhat wild, he also became my champion mole killer; Maryweather grew up to be a fine lap and bed cat, and beautiful to boot. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. > I think someone dumped one on me - I've mentioned Mooch before: a > handsome black cat that is clearly trying to join my colony and is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > later flash picture has the worst case of white eye I think I have > ever seen.) <http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/mooch/> Aww he looks like a good guy! I'm having pictures of our new stray Ceili developed right now. She's tiny, but she's put on 1.25 lbs. since we got her. She mostly hangs out in my bedroom and that seems to be fine with the other cats. She has little window she picked out to lay by that none of the others pay any attention to. We'll be taking her to the cardiologist Monday ...even I can see from looking at the x-ray that there's something wrong with her heart. h0p'll be going along for another bile acids tesat. He's doing really well, purring away and head butting. I can't believe he's the same cat who weighed 8 lbs all his life and wouldn't let me touch him for years. He's actually portly now! > I've been expecting dumps ever since I moved to the country and > acquired a population of cats - it's obvious that cats are welcome at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > somewhat wild, he also became my champion mole killer; Maryweather > grew up to be a fine lap and bed cat, and beautiful to boot. You know, I have the same thing happen to me and I live in an urban apartment! All of my cats have been unwanted ferals or strays, and half of them with very serious health problems. I wouldn't have missed a single minute with any of them. Dee >> I think someone dumped one on me - I've mentioned Mooch before: a >> handsome black cat that is clearly trying to join my colony and is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Aww he looks like a good guy! I'm having pictures of our new stray Ceili >developed right now. One of the advantages of a high-end digital camera is the ability to put pictures on line in as little as a few minutes - I took one a little after 6:00 PM this evening and just now put it on line little more than an hour later. Same directory; mooch.3.jpg - it's another flash assisted shot with Mooch looking straight at me (he bolted as soon as the camera whirred and flashed). > She's tiny, but she's put on 1.25 lbs. since we got >her. She mostly hangs out in my bedroom and that seems to be fine with [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >of them with very serious health problems. I wouldn't have missed a >single minute with any of them. I've been lucky - only one had serious medical problems: ringworm ... *bad* ringworm. Cricket's story and pictures are at <http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/cricket1.html>. I haven't heard from the people who took her in the last couple of years, but it was a perfect placement: she was a spayed cat of barn cat nature that couldn't be handled, and they wanted a mouser that wouldn't become an indoor pet. She made me proud by her performance. The man had an elaborate model railroad setup in his basement (house is in the country) and the mice were destroying it - Cricket and Dumpling cleaned out the mice almost immediately without even going inside, and after Dumpling disappeared several years later, Cricket kept them away. I understand that she did eventually become tame enough for the kids to handle. Her trick was climbing down trees head first. Of the fourteen and a half (counting Mooch as 1/2) I have at the moment, Fluffy was chosen as a pet, Spooky was a stray - possibly a dump (both 11 years old), Ozy, Millie, Avery, Mudpie, and Punkin were culls from two rural populations, Fleagor and Sebastian were urban strays (or dumps), Snowball was found at a picnic ground as a kitten, Dandy and Maryweather were dumped at the edge of town, Tigger was dumped at a riding stable, and Andrew was a kitten of a probable dump. And as I said, I suspect Mooch was dumped here. Of all those cats, I know the birthday of only the three Smallcat cats: Avery, Mudpie, and Punkin. I don't even know how old Fleagor, Sebastian, and Mooch are, only approximately how old Tigger is. I'm negotiating to get a dog. I don't much like dogs - not since an encounter with a rabid one when I was a child - but I need one to deal with the coon and possum, both of which were in the mud room eating cat food within 15 minutes of each other last night around 8:30. The dog is a three year old black Lab that is fairly good with cats and hates coons and possums. She's a stray (dump) taken in as a puppy by a friend of mine who also lives in the country and has a colony of 12 rescued cats and several dogs. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) > >> I think someone dumped one on me - I've mentioned Mooch before: a > >> handsome black cat that is clearly trying to join my colony and is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> later flash picture has the worst case of white eye I think I have > >> ever seen.) <http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/mooch/> Going to pick up my pics of the new stray Ceili now! Hopefully I'll figure out how this scanner works. I had to take off all day last Monday. Ceili went to the cardiologist, h0p went to the oncologist, and poor George went to his regular vet 'cause all of the sudden he has a lump on his side. h0pper is doing better, Ceili has mild cardiomiopathy and has been given medication to lower her blood pressure, and George is having the lump removed Wednesday morning. So we're all set? No!!! On Friday night Sam throws up a hairball with these heinous alien things in it...jesus :( Tape worms, so now I have to treat them all for that. This year has been just unbelievable! > One of the advantages of a high-end digital camera is the ability to > put pictures on line in as little as a few minutes - I took one a > little after 6:00 PM this evening and just now put it on line little > more than an hour later. Same directory; mooch.3.jpg - it's another > flash assisted shot with Mooch looking straight at me (he bolted as > soon as the camera whirred and flashed). lol! Luis's cats *always* come out red eyed. It's a shame because they have the most beautiful aqua eyes! I also have a number of pics of ...nothing, from which the subject has just fled. > I've been lucky - only one had serious medical problems: ringworm ... > *bad* ringworm. Cricket's story and pictures are at > <http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/cricket1.html>. I haven't heard > from the people who took her in the last couple of years, h0p had worms so bad when we first rescued him that it took two full years to finally get rid of them ...now this! Dee >> One of the advantages of a high-end digital camera is the ability to >> put pictures on line in as little as a few minutes - I took one a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >have the most beautiful aqua eyes! I also have a number of pics of >...nothing, from which the subject has just fled. Here's a trick I use: snap my fingers well to the side of the camera so that the cat looks at that instead of the camera: no red eye, but if the cat is close enough, just having the flash mounted well above the camera helps - the pictures at <http://www.maem.umr.edu/tdavis/cats/03.jan/index.html> were taken with the cats barely more than arm's length away and the flash about 6 - 7 inches above the lens. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. Maybe Dee, you would have been more in tune with my concerns and like a responsible cat owner, kept your cat indoors. If not then I'm afraid you would also be cat-less at this point in time. I managed to tell you ok, it wasn't difficult. Daz > > Stealing and dumping cats will win you no friends here - you are part > > of the problem and you just turned your one problem into two problems [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dee Daz; Karma. Your life is slowly going to unravel. Remember these words. > > Stealing and dumping cats will win you no friends here - you are part > > of the problem and you just turned your one problem into two problems [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dee Ok, I think I can do that, now what? Daz > Daz; Karma. Your life is slowly going to unravel. > Remember these words. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Dee Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to the problem or don't you see it as being one? Bearing in mind that not everyone is enamoured with cats, especially ones who's owners just shrug off your concerns with a smile saying "Oh, he just likes to roam around a bit, he's not doing any harm", as if its their god given right to inflict their pets habits on you. Daz > >At last I have had my first success, I have been plagued by a neighbours cat > >crapping in my garden over the summer. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to > the problem or don't you see it as being one? Bearing in mind that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Daz Daz, You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to steal someone else's property. Forget the moral issues, since I suspect you are a sociopath who doesn't have the ability to understand the heart-wrenching pain you caused your neighbors. The fact is, you broke the law. If you felt your neighbor's car was bothering you, and you stole it and abandoned it on the other side of town, you would be breaking the law just as you broke it with your heartless, selfish, cruel stealing of the cat. You may not have done it. You may be a troll. Or -- you might actually be dumb enough to think that what you did was ok, and that people here would laud you for it. Sadly, I doubt you are that dumb. You are dangerous, and heartless, and cruel. Your neighbors are suffering -- the cat is suffering -- and you are happy. What a sick motherf*cker you are. I almost think it would be too mean to wish that you would get what you deserve -- because you have created some bad karma. >>> At last I have had my first success, I have been plagued by a >>> neighbours cat crapping in my garden over the summer. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." >> or my .sig in the body)  Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel Lets NOT forget the moral issue, I admit that "re-homing" said cat is considered a lawless act but instead of resorting to insults and rants why don't you examine the reasons why people resort to drastic measures. You come across as a typical irresponsible cat owner who does not consider other peoples feelings when they conflict with your "inalienable right" to inflict your cats filthy habits on others. What makes you so holier than I? Do you consider others points of view or just go off into a rant whenever someone disagrees with your point of view? Get a grip and realise that because of people like you, people like me have to resort to measures that in a civilised society we wouldn't have to. Your cat may be the most important thing in your life but to me and many more like me it is no more than vermin. Since you mention it, what about my "heart wrenching pain" when I come home to find the remains of 2 Cockatiels, torn through the bars of their enclosure? Shrug your shoulders, do you? "Oh he only wants to roam about, he doesn't do any harm" .... Bollocks!! The law is on your side over this but that doesn't mean to say it is right. All I ask is for people to keep their precious little darlings indoors out of harms way and more importantly out of my life. If you were a true cat lover you wouldn't put it at risk knowing what a big bad "sick motherf*cker" I am. Daz > You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to steal someone else's property. Forget the moral > issues, since I suspect you are a sociopath who doesn't have the ability to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > breaking the law just as you broke it with your heartless, selfish, cruel > stealing of the cat. You may not have done it. You may be a troll. Or -- > you might actually be dumb enough to think that what you did was ok, and > that people here would laud you for it. Sadly, I doubt you are that dumb. > You are dangerous, and heartless, and cruel. Your neighbors are > suffering -- the cat is suffering -- and you are happy. What a sick > motherf*cker you are. I almost think it would be too mean to wish that you > would get what you deserve -- because you have created some bad karma. > Lets NOT forget the moral issue, I admit that "re-homing" said cat is > considered a lawless act but instead of resorting to insults and rants why [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > enclosure? Shrug your shoulders, do you? "Oh he only wants to roam about, he > doesn't do any harm" .... Bollocks!! How do you know the cat did it? Why do you have tropical birds in a cold environment? Why don't you keep them inside? > The law is on your side over this but that doesn't mean to say it is right. > All I ask is for people to keep their precious little darlings indoors out [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Daz Are you threatening me and my indoor cats, you moron? > > You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to steal someone else's property. Forget the > moral [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you > > would get what you deserve -- because you have created some bad karma. > > Lets NOT forget the moral issue, I admit that "re-homing" said cat is > > considered a lawless act but instead of resorting to insults and rants why [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > How do you know the cat did it? Why do you have tropical birds in a > cold environment? Why don't you keep them inside? Not that its any of your buisness but who said anything about a cold enviroment? Why do you keep cats? Why dont you keep them inside?? > > The law is on your side over this but that doesn't mean to say it is right. > > All I ask is for people to keep their precious little darlings indoors out [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Are you threatening me and my indoor cats, you moron? I wont sink to your level with a return of insults but if you would care to re-read the whole then maybe you would see some sarcasm nestling between the lines. My I respectfully suggest you stay away from a computer. As a pastime maybe you could play with your pussy...... indoors!! Daz >> "Daz" <melchet@the18th.com> wrote in message > news:<bmpvsa$nfj$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>> Lets NOT forget the moral issue, I admit that "re-homing" said cat >>> is considered a lawless act but instead of resorting to insults and >>> rants why don't you examine the reasons why people resort to >>> drastic measures. Because they are psychos who think they are above both morals and the law? >You come across as a typical irresponsible cat >>> owner who does not consider other peoples feelings when they >>> conflict with your "inalienable right" to inflict your cats filthy >>> habits on others. What makes you so holier than I? My cats are indoor cats. I don't think your neighbor handled the situation well -- but you handled it like a heartless, narcissistic criminal. snip >> How do you know the cat did it? Why do you have tropical birds in a >> cold environment? Why don't you keep them inside? > > Not that its any of your buisness but who said anything about a cold > enviroment? You are posting from Europe -- um. Amsterdam or the UK -- those are cold places. You may have done some weird re-routing -- I am not ng tech wiz -- but that's the info I got from your posts. > Why do you keep cats? Why dont you keep them inside?? I keep them inside, you moron. They have never been outside. >>> The law is on your side over this but that doesn't mean to say it >>> is right. All I ask is for people to keep their precious little [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > My I respectfully suggest you stay away from a computer. > As a pastime maybe you could play with your pussy...... indoors!! Now -- that's charming. You must be very proud of yourself -- wait -- you are! How pathetic is that? > Daz Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to > the problem or don't you see it as being one? Bearing in mind that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Daz Uh -- have you ever heard that two wrongs don't make a right? What you did was SO WRONG it completely outweighed the lack of concern your neighbors showed for your garden. I don't think you felt devastated, like your heart was ripped out, when the cat pooped in your garden. I can't believe you even noticed -- cats bury their waste. I don't think you became homeless or felt abandoned because the cat pooped in your garden. But -- you still devastated your neighbors and their cat, and you made their cat a helpless, homeless stray as well. If I had had that problem, I just would have dealt with it. I can't imagine the cat did that much damage -- cats just don't poop that much, you know! I think you just wanted to something vicious and heartless and created an excuse. If you truly did think the cat was ruining your garden -- that still does not justify what you did. You are a disgusting, loathesome, sociopathic thing. >>> At last I have had my first success, I have been plagued by a >>> neighbours cat crapping in my garden over the summer. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." >> or my .sig in the body) Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel I like you, nimue. You have stated my exact feelings. > > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to > > the problem or don't you see it as being one? Bearing in mind that [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >> T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." > >> or my .sig in the body) > Uh -- have you ever heard that two wrongs don't make a right? What you did > was SO WRONG it completely outweighed the lack of concern your neighbors > showed for your garden.I don't think you felt devastated, like your heart > was ripped out, when the cat pooped in your garden. I can't believe you > even noticed -- cats bury their waste. I don't think you became homeless or > felt abandoned because the cat pooped in your garden. Why do you people try and clean it up with a nice little word like Poop!! It is sh.t, it stinks and by no stretch of the imagination is it something that can go un-noticed. But -- you still > devastated your neighbors and their cat, and you made their cat a helpless, > homeless stray as well. If I had had that problem, I just would have dealt > with it. That's all you get isn't it? "I would have dealt with it", Well sweetheart, how would you have "dealt with it" pray tell? I can't imagine the cat did that much damage -- cats just don't > poop that much, you know! Is that an imperial "that much" or have you gone metric? Any amount is TOO much especially when my youngest son comes indoors with it all over his hands while playing in OUR garden. Do you seriously expect me to ignore that? I think you just wanted to something vicious and > heartless and created an excuse. If you truly did think the cat was ruining > your garden -- that still does not justify what you did. You are a > disgusting, loathesome, sociopathic thing. And you dear give the genuine people who control their animals a bad name if you condone the behaviour of my neighbour. Daz > > Uh -- have you ever heard that two wrongs don't make a right? What you > did [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > That's all you get isn't it? "I would have dealt with it", Well sweetheart, > how would you have "dealt with it" pray tell? I would have just accepted the fact that this happens, and been careful in my gardening. After, cats are not the only animals who sh.t (happy now) in the great outdoors. > I can't imagine the cat did that much damage -- cats just don't > > poop that much, you know! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hands while playing in OUR garden. Do you seriously expect me to ignore > that? Good lord- you have children? You do not strike me as being someone who should have children. > I think you just wanted to something vicious and > > heartless and created an excuse. If you truly did think the cat was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And you dear give the genuine people who control their animals a bad name if > you condone the behaviour of my neighbour. I condone your neighbor's behavior over yours. Yes -- your neighbor should have made an acknowledged the problem, and tried to fix it, but his refusing to do that is NOTHING compared to what you did. What you did was theft, and it also may have caused the death or an innocent, helpless creature. You certainly caused a lot of suffering and heartbreak -- far more than you felt. If you can't see that, then you are a total sociopath. > Daz nimue > > > Uh -- have you ever heard that two wrongs don't make a right? What you > > did [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > careful in my gardening. After, cats are not the only animals who sh.t > (happy now) in the great outdoors. You accept the fact it happens because you allow it to happen. They are the only animals who "poop" in my garden that I consider dont have the right to. > > I can't imagine the cat did that much damage -- cats just don't > > > poop that much, you know! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Good lord- you have children? You do not strike me as being someone > who should have children. Oh dear, where there is ignorance, vulgarity and abuse invariably follow. > > I think you just wanted to something vicious and > > > heartless and created an excuse. If you truly did think the cat was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > heartbreak -- far more than you felt. If you can't see that, then > you are a sociopath. You seem to think my actions were taken lightly, I will say this once more just for you as I am getting the impression you and my neighbour might be related. I attempted to resolve this problem through reasonable means and was met with a person who displayed similar behaviour to yours, indifference, sarcasm and abuse. Not to mention an overwhelming belief that her cat was not a problem. Now I'm prepared to overlook your foolishness and abuse so lets have a cuddle and maybe a long warm shower together. No cats though please. Daz ... X >> "Daz" <melchet@the18th.com> wrote in message > news:<bmpvsd$nfm$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>... snip >>> I can't imagine the cat did that much damage -- cats just don't >>>> poop that much, you know! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Oh dear, where there is ignorance, vulgarity and abuse invariably > follow. No -- I am completely serious. I think you are an abusive, sociopathic sicko who should not be entrusted with the care of children. >>> I think you just wanted to something vicious and >>>> heartless and created an excuse. If you truly did think the cat [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > cuddle and maybe a long warm shower together. > No cats though please. Oh, man, you are one sick weirdo. > Daz ... X Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel |Since you mention it, what about my "heart wrenching pain" when I come home |to find the remains of 2 Cockatiels, torn through the bars of their |enclosure? | Any amount is TOO | much especially when my youngest son comes indoors with it all over his | hands while playing in OUR garden. Do you seriously expect me to ignore | that? Both of the incidents you mention here are _not_ right. BUT you could have fitted a safer wire net around the birds' cage and put a cover over the son's playground. I have to do that too with my dwarf rabbits to protect them against martens and foxes. And everybody where I live covers the sand pit where their children play. But both these incidents DON'T give you the right to steal the cat and cause harm to it. I'd like to agree with MaryL: >If you and your neighbor couldn't work out a solution (which does frequently >happen), then you should have contacted the proper authorities instead of >dumping a cat "miles away." >MaryL Carola > |Since you mention it, what about my "heart wrenching pain" when I come home > |to find the remains of 2 Cockatiels, torn through the bars of their [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and foxes. > And everybody where I live covers the sand pit where their children play. Yes, I agree now after the incident but up to that point I saw no reason to turn the aviary into Fort Knox. The kids don't have a sandpit, the excrement was in the earth. They both have their one little plots where they grow flowers and vegetables. Kids stuff you understand but they get a kick out of planting and seeing things grow. They have also learnt a lesson in all this so even if the cat did decide to return I hope their experiences would make them think twice before plunging their hands into the earth. > But both these incidents DON'T give you the right to steal the cat and cause > harm to it. I don't consider I caused harm to it, l purely and simply placed it in a position where it would not be a nuisance to me and others and also where it would be out of harms way from other irate people. The last reason what not uppermost in my mind. > I'd like to agree with MaryL: I must admit she does talk sense. Daz >Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to the >problem or don't you see it as being one? Bearing in mind that not everyone >is enamoured with cats, especially ones who's owners just shrug off your >concerns with a smile saying "Oh, he just likes to roam around a bit, he's >not doing any harm", as if its their god given right to inflict their pets >habits on you. What you can do varies with where you live. There are places where cats have a legal right to roam: their mousing activities are considered a public service. In other places you can trap the cat and charge the owner storage fees. In still other places, you would call the animal control people, and in some the only recourse is a lawsuit for nusience. The local police or animal control people might be able to offer advice. Nowhere is stealing the cat allowed - if the cat is valuable, it might even be a felony, and in many places, dumping is a crime, perhaps even felony cruelty. I have a neighbor's cat problem: Mickey comes into my kitchen and eats my cats' food - quite a lot of it. Even if I didn't much like cats and didn't have any of my own, I would want him around because he is the champion mouser in the neighborhood - much better than most of mine, and I *don't* like mice. If he's eating my cat food, it's because there are no mice to be caught and he is doing his job well. Of course, he also poops in my yard, and makes the grass grow better (dog droppings are herbicidal, cat droppings are fertilizer). T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. > What you can do varies with where you live. There are places where > cats have a legal right to roam: their mousing activities are > considered a public service. Considered by who? I wonder if people who keep mice as pets would agree with you. Although I admit they don't roam about causing a nuisance. In other places you can trap the cat and > charge the owner storage fees. In still other places, you would call > the animal control people, and in some the only recourse is a lawsuit > for nusience. The local police or animal control people might be able > to offer advice. Nowhere is stealing the cat allowed - if the cat is > valuable, it might even be a felony, and in many places, dumping is a > crime, perhaps even felony cruelty. I agree, shame we are driven too it, don't you think? > I have a neighbor's cat problem: Mickey comes into my kitchen and eats > my cats' food - quite a lot of it. You consider that a problem? oh dear...... Even if I didn't much like cats > and didn't have any of my own, I would want him around because he is > the champion mouser in the neighborhood - much better than most of > mine, and I *don't* like mice. If he's eating my cat food, it's > because there are no mice to be caught and he is doing his job well. You might like to consider the possibility that cats are notoriously lazy and if a free meal is in the offing then forget the hunting. They only do that because that's what they do, an argument I have heard time and time again, if it moves, play with it till its dead.... Don't try and justify its existence by saying it is a champion mouser. It is someone's pet and should be kept indoors not allowed to roam about devastating the local wildlife. > Of course, he also poops in my yard, and makes the grass grow better > (dog droppings are herbicidal, cat droppings are fertilizer). Ever heard of Toxoplasma gondii?? Daz >> What you can do varies with where you live. There are places where >> cats have a legal right to roam: their mousing activities are >> considered a public service. > >Considered by who? I wonder if people who keep mice as pets would agree with >you. Although I admit they don't roam about causing a nuisance. There was a court case - I don't remember where - some years ago: the judge considered mousing a public service. My neighbors consider it a public service - most rural people do. >In other places you can trap the cat and >> charge the owner storage fees. In still other places, you would call [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >You consider that a problem? oh dear...... Any time a nonresident cat (or other animal - I have coon and possum problems as well, and while the local opinion is that they are vermin, I'm not doing anything nastier than whapping them with a slingshot at low power ... and making arrangements to get a suitable dog) comes through the cat flap, or enters any other way, it is a problem. > Even if I didn't much like cats >> and didn't have any of my own, I would want him around because he is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >existence by saying it is a champion mouser. It is someone's pet and should >be kept indoors not allowed to roam about devastating the local wildlife. My cats have plenty of food, and some of them go on week-long hunting expeditions - most of them hunt and kill, some to the extent of being almost self supporting during certain seasons, some don't eat their kills. The ones that don't hunt spent their formative years indoors. I have well fed cats - I do not have mice (there were plenty when I moved here, but the first few new cats cleaned them out). Cats that have an opportunity to learn hunting while young do hunt if they have the chance - almost all of them, but they aren't all successful hunters: I've seen Avery and Mudpie hunting moles, and their efforts are pathetic - Dandy on the other hand, has been very successful at reducing my excessive mole population. I favor keeping urban cats indoors or at least confined to their own yard, but I won't live in town - edge of town for years until I finally bought a place in the country so I could take in a number of unwanted cats and give them a place to live as they wish, and there is a wide range of choices: a few spend most of their time indoors, at least in bad weather, but most of them prefer the great outdoors - the neighbors have horses and cows: they don't object to having mousers around, in fact most of keep have multiple cats themselves, but don't give them the option of living indoors when and if they want. >> Of course, he also poops in my yard, and makes the grass grow better >> (dog droppings are herbicidal, cat droppings are fertilizer). > >Ever heard of Toxoplasma gondii?? I don't worry about it. There are about a zillion ways to get it - cats are one vector, but so are beef cattle, and most other mammals. It's also not a serious health problem: most human infections are asymptomatic. Where cats are concerned, I would be more concerned about cleaning litter pans than about stepping in sun dried droppings outdoors. Speaking of cleaning litter pans, somebody just stank one up. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to the > problem or don't you see it as being one? Bearing in mind that not everyone > is enamoured with cats, especially ones who's owners just shrug off your > concerns with a smile saying "Oh, he just likes to roam around a bit, he's > not doing any harm", as if its their god given right to inflict their pets > habits on you. I would have spent money on a cat proof fence. I have mentioned this before and got the "why should I have to spend money" response so I am not sure why I bother mentioning it...but you asked. The only reason you are angry is because the cat is a domestic animal and you feel someone else should be responsible. If it was birds sh.tting on your roof you would invest in ways to prevent it. If it was wild raccoons eating your vegetables ..you would deal with the problem on your own. Killing, harming or "relocating" (which in this case is the same as harming) an animal should be a last resort. We are all feeling thinking beings. I am sorry you took this action, truly..not just for the cat but for you too. You took extreme measures before trying other options. Karma's a bitch. I'd be careful leaving the house if I were you. (not a threat, merely an acknowledgement that the patron saint of cats will pay you back some day) AG > > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to the > > problem or don't you see it as being one? Bearing in mind that not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > response so I am not sure why I bother mentioning it...but you > asked. I did offer to have one put up to the person concerned but she declined to pay for it. > The only reason you are angry is because the cat is a domestic > animal and you feel someone else should be responsible. Thats correct, who else but the owner? If > it was birds sh.tting on your roof you would invest in ways to > prevent it. If it was wild raccoons eating your vegetables ..you > would deal with the problem on your own. They are wild animals doing what wild animals need to do to survive. Cats shouldn't be outside of their own yard, they have no need to hunt to survive providing they are properly looked after. Killing, harming > or "relocating" (which in this case is the same as harming) an > animal should be a last resort. We are all feeling thinking beings. It was a last resort. > I am sorry you took this action, truly..not just for the cat but > for you too. You took extreme measures before trying other > options. Im not going to repeat myself again, just sufice to say other options were tried. Karma's a bitch. I'd be careful leaving the house > if I were you. (not a threat, merely an acknowledgement that > the patron saint of cats will pay you back some day) Isn't it ironic that Saint Gertrude of Nivelles is the Patron Saint of cats and GARDENERS? Daz > > > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to > the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I did offer to have one put up to the person concerned but she declined to > pay for it. Yep....like I said..if this was a wild animal you would have just put the fence up yourself. Your problem was not with the cat so much as it was with the owner. You may think did what you did to solve the problem but you did it to teach a lesson or extract revenge. Why not just put up the damned fence yourself??? If you would do it for a wild animal..why not for an innocent animal with a irresponsible owner. Who really got hurt here? The owner...prolly not if they didn't care enough to listen. Not you, you seem to feel pretty damn good about what you did. No..the one who got hurt was an innocent animal that did nothing more than what comes natural. You must be so proud. AG >> > > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to >> the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >did. No..the one who got hurt was an innocent animal that did nothing >more than what comes natural. You must be so proud. Boy DAZ, these people just aren't getting it are they. I think this is a lost cause. The next time you trap a cat that is bothering you and I'm sure there will be one if we have neighbors like this, just don't tell anyone about it. I love cats but get real. If there is a cat prowling around it should have a owner, collar and license, but most cat owners that just let there cats roam around to sh.t in other's yards and knock other cats up because that owner didn't care to get it fixed deserves to loose the cat. OH darn how did that trap get into MY PRIVETE YARD with food in it. Look Hazel we caught another one, here's dinner. :0) >AG > > > > Ok, I hear what your saying, so what would have been your solution to > > the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > AG I'm wasn't trying to exact revenge or teach anyone a lesson, cant you get that through your head. I removed a menace, simple as that. Because you feel I have committed some horrendous crime here you look for any reason to justify your outburst other than believe that I don't want cats in my garden. Is that so difficult to comprehend? I don't like cats I consider them vermin. I don't want cats fouling my garden for the same reason And I certainly don't want to spend money preventing someone else's cats getting into my garden. I know this is falling on deaf ears because, "Hey, who on earth couldn't love a cute little cat? He must be a moron" I'm also wondering what kind of wild animal I am likely to encounter that would justify the amount of money required to erect a fence to protect 3/4 acre. I am sorry to disillusion you but no way am I going to pay that sort of money to stop a cat or this mystery wild animal getting onto my property. In retrospect the best method would have been to erected a fence around the offending owner and her cat. You people who advocate that it is MY responsibility to stop this intrusion make me laugh. Once your kittens stop being a cute novelty you turn them out of the house at every opportunity to become someone else's problem and I'm f***ed if I'm going to pay for the privilege. Contrary to your well informed opinion I don't feel "pretty damn good" and I am not "proud", what I am is sad that I am forced to deal with other peoples callous disregard for the safety and welfare of their own "pets". Daz > At last I have had my first success, I have been plagued by a neighbours cat > crapping in my garden over the summer. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Daz You have just created a terrible problem -- not a solution. You have taken a cat that had a home and transformed it into a homeless cat. At best, you have now created a problem for other people (those who live "several miles away" from you). At worst -- and I fear this is what will really happen -- that poor cat will have no home, no survival skills, and will suffer the consequences (possibly fatal) of your inappropriate action. MaryL (take out the litter to reply) > You have just created a terrible problem -- not a solution. You have taken > a cat that had a home and transformed it into a homeless cat. At best, you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > MaryL > (take out the litter to reply) I saw a problem that was causing myself and family grief, I tried to resolve it through what the majority would call legitimate means and came up against a person who I can only describe as apathetic and obdurate, in short she couldn't give a sh.t, unlike her cat. I have now resolved that problem, albeit temporarily as no doubt the little dear will find its way home. Look on the bright side MaryL, the cat was used to being outdoors, it probably knows how to care for itself. If you are one of those who believes that its ok to let a cat roam freely then consider this:- "It's also natural for dogs, hamsters and many other pets to be outside but no right thinking pet owner would let their animal loose on the neighbourhood and then complain about it's treatment at the hands of others." Daz "If you can educate just one ignorant cat owner - then your time on earth has been well spent" >> You have just created a terrible problem -- not a solution. You have >taken [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I saw a problem that was causing myself and family grief, I tried to resolve >it through what the majority would call legitimate means Now, I find that hard to believe - the only people I have ever encountered that expressed that opinion were people suspected of doing it themselves, but since for every one that feels that way, I encountered ten who thought it heartless and cruel, I suspect your 'majority' consists of yourself and maybe some of your low class friends. >and came up against >a person who I can only describe as apathetic and obdurate, in short she >couldn't give a sh.t, unlike her cat. There are such people - if you can't live with them, then you can move to some place where you have a good sized buffer between you and your neighbors cats. The country suggests itself, but so does a large apartment block, especially the upper floors. >I have now resolved that problem, albeit temporarily as no doubt the little >dear will find its way home. Most don't. They become worse problems for other people or they die. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) > >> You have just created a terrible problem -- not a solution. You have > >taken [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 'majority' consists of yourself and maybe some of your low class > friends. I think you have missed the point here, " I tried to resolve it through what the majority would call legitimate means" i.e.: I tried to reason with the owner that her cat by being able to roam wherever and whenever it wanted was causing a nuisance to not only me and my family but to others in the neighbourhood. This fell on deaf ears. The majority I refer to are people who, like myself to start with and you no doubt, would have liked to have resolved the issue by negotiation. Alas it was not to be hence my actions against the cat. You really should understand what you are arguing about before posting a reply. This may help.... Cat causes nuisance Confront owner telling her of situation (suggest it is kept indoors) Owner displays total disregard to reasonable demands almost to the point of abuse Cat goes missing. > >and came up against > >a person who I can only describe as apathetic and obdurate, in short she [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > neighbors cats. The country suggests itself, but so does a large > apartment block, especially the upper floors. Are you insane? Move!! You sound very much like my cat-less neighbour > >I have now resolved that problem, albeit temporarily as no doubt the little > >dear will find its way home. > > Most don't. They become worse problems for other people or they die. I still have not heard a more reasonable method of curing this problem of nuisance cats and believe me I would consider anything short of moving... (still laughing about that) I thought this cat group, although it doesn't have the word "love" in the title just alt.cats, would have been more helpful and understanding to this problem. Maybe you and your ilk consider the cat as sacrosanct and can do no harm, well if that is the case you are sadly in denial. Believe it or not there ARE people out here who don't want your cats to be allowed to roam around freely, killing wildlife, spreading diseases, fouling gardens with their excrement, damaging property and breeding even more of their kind and no, they are not all my low class friends. Daz >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:20:38 +0100, "Daz" <melchet@the18th.com> snip > I think you have missed the point here, " I tried to resolve it > through what the majority would call legitimate means" i.e.: I tried > to reason with the owner that her cat by being able to roam wherever > and whenever it wanted was causing a nuisance to not only me and my > family but to others in the neighbourhood. This fell on deaf ears. Guess what? You STILL have NO RIGHT, moral, legal, or otherwise, to do what you did. Why do you not understand this? The situation boils down to this: Your neighbor was wrong to ignore your problem. You were a million times more wrong to dispose of your neighbor's cat. What you did was unforgivable -- yet you think that because you were irritated, you had the right to break the law and inflict great emotional suffering. Sounds pretty sociopathic to me. I hope you are not raising your children to think that they have the right to break the law and inflict great pain on others just because they are annoyed by others. Oh -- wait -- you ARE raising your kids that way. Children learn their behaviors and their morals from their parents. > The majority I refer to are people who, like myself to start with and > you no doubt, would have liked to have resolved the issue by > negotiation. Alas it was not to be hence my actions against the cat. You are justifying your actions against a helpless creature because its owners bothered you? I think the majority of people would dislike the neighbors, but not do anything to hurt or kill an innocent creature. > You really should understand what you are arguing about before > posting a reply. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > point of abuse > Cat goes missing. No -- the cat did not go missing. You stole it, and created a lot more misery than existed in the world before. You made the world a more terrible place -- happy? snip > I thought this cat group, although it doesn't have the word "love" in > the title just alt.cats, would have been more helpful and > understanding to this problem. You want US to be helpful and understanding? You sure weren't helpful and understanding of that cat, its life, and its needs. You showed disgusting disregard for others -- far worse than they showed to you -- and yet you want us to treat you the way you do not treat others. Yeah, right. > Maybe you and your ilk consider the > cat as sacrosanct and can do no harm, well if that is the case you > are sadly in denial. Believe it or not there ARE people out here who > don't want your cats to be allowed to roam around freely, killing > wildlife, spreading diseases, fouling gardens with their excrement, > damaging property and breeding even more of their kind What -- was your neighbor's cat breeding when you did this? Jesus. I think people should fix their animals -- your neighbor's animal was probably fixed. >and no, they > are not all my low class friends. Well, that's probably true, because I doubt you have any friends. Furthermore, many of the people who feel the same way you do would NEVER commit the crime you did. They are just too decent, and don't want to add more horror into this world. es everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel > >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:20:38 +0100, "Daz" <melchet@the18th.com> > snip [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > that way. Children learn their behaviors and their morals from their > parents. Oh I was irritated alright, any right thinking person would be as I consider that providing my children with a safe and clean environment to grow up in, paramount. By removing a cat toilet from my garden I have helped protect them from a possible risk of disease. I make no apologies for my actions in that respect. If you believe that a cats welfare is more important than children's health then you are in need of some serious help. > > The majority I refer to are people who, like myself to start with and > > you no doubt, would have liked to have resolved the issue by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > owners bothered you? I think the majority of people would dislike the > neighbors, but not do anything to hurt or kill an innocent creature. The CAT bothered me, the owners couldn't care less, you just cant see past the red mist, can you? I am no longer bothered by either because I stood up and resolved the problem in a way I shouldn't have had to. Do you realise it cost me money to purchase a trap? I am out of pocket here, maybe I should ask my cat-less neighbour for reimbursement, what do you think? If anyone is bothered here its you. > > You really should understand what you are arguing about before > > posting a reply. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > misery than existed in the world before. You made the world a more terrible > place -- happy? Yes I am much happier now, thankyou for asking. As far as my neighbour is concerned, the cat DID go missing. Maybe you should thank me for only removing it and not the other alternative that posed itself. If she had found her precious cat laying dead in the road, think how heartbroken she would have been. This way she thinks it has just run off or was taken in by someone else because she as hell didn't look after it. The street I live in has one less cat, the cat no doubt is being cared for by someone who cares about cats and the neighbour doesn't have to look after and feed a cat she obviously didn't care for. Yes, I think the world is a happier place now thanks to my actions. > snip > > I thought this cat group, although it doesn't have the word "love" in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > disregard for others -- far worse than they showed to you -- and yet you > want us to treat you the way you do not treat others. Yeah, right. All I wanted originally was to thank whoever posted the idea about removing nuisance cats. After all it did come from this cat group. Thanks again, whoever. > > Maybe you and your ilk consider the > > cat as sacrosanct and can do no harm, well if that is the case you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What -- was your neighbor's cat breeding when you did this? Jesus. Judging by the noise somenights, maybe it was. > I think people should fix their animals -- I agree, it would certainly reduce the cat population. > your neighbor's animal was probably fixed. You assume too much, if the neighbour is anything to go by I doubt the word contraception has been heard of. > >and no, they > > are not all my low class friends. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > commit the crime you did. They are just too decent, and don't want to add > more horror into this world. Ah, we agree on something, time for that shower yet?? Daz > "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip > Oh I was irritated alright, any right thinking person would be as I > consider that providing my children with a safe and clean environment [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that a cats welfare is more important than children's health then you > are in need of some serious help. Your children's health was not put in danger by a cat sh.tting (your preferred word) in your garden. Lots of animals do, you know -- squirrels, birds, raccoons. I don't know why you let your kids dig up your garden anyway. I think you just wanted an excuse to do something horrible. "I did it for the kids" is always a good excuse -- but it's not true. You remind me of a news story I read a few weeks ago. A man captured and brutalized a little bear cub, because he decided that a) he would take it and train it and b) by doing this he was somehow protecting kids. Yeah, right. >>> The majority I refer to are people who, like myself to start with >>> and you no doubt, would have liked to have resolved the issue by [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > money to purchase a trap? I am out of pocket here, maybe I should ask > my cat-less neighbour for reimbursement, what do you think? I think you should! I think you should tell your neighbor EXACTLY what you did. I think you should record your confession on video, and give it to the police. > If anyone is bothered here its you. Oh, you bother me, all right. You are a sicko. >>> You really should understand what you are arguing about before >>> posting a reply. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Yes I am much happier now, thankyou for asking. I am sure you are. You are happy you broke the law AND caused misery. > As far as my neighbour is concerned, the cat DID go missing. Maybe you > should thank me for only removing it and not the other alternative > that posed itself. > If she had found her precious cat laying dead in the road, think how > heartbroken she would have been. You were planning on killing the cat? Great. >This way she thinks it has just run > off or was taken in by someone else because she as hell didn't look > after it. The street I live in has one less cat, the cat no doubt is > being cared for by someone who cares about cats and the neighbour > doesn't have to look after and feed a cat she obviously didn't care > for. Good lord, how you make up excuses for yourself. "Nd doubt the cat is being cared for"? Please. It's much more likely that the cat is either suffering, bewildered, and scared -- or dead. Not that you care. >Yes, I think the world is a happier place now thanks to my > actions. Really? Whose happier? Your neighbors? The cat? Anyone on this ng? Oh -- I know -- YOU are happier, and that is all that matters, right? >> snip >>> I thought this cat group, although it doesn't have the word "love" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > You assume too much, I did assume that -- but BOY do you ever assume stuff -- like what you do is ok, like the cat is "no doubt being cared for" (please), like you are entitled to steal, and inflict suffering. >if the neighbour is anything to go by I doubt > the word contraception has been heard of. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ah, we agree on something, time for that shower yet?? Um -- you agree that most of the people (that's not MOST people, btw) who share your opnions about cats would still NEVER do the disgusting thing you did? Ok. > Daz Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel > > "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > preferred word) in your garden. Lots of animals do, you know -- squirrels, > birds, raccoons. They are indigenous, cats are not. The cat would not be causing a problem if it wasn't for a so called cat lover. I don't know why you let your kids dig up your garden > anyway. Again you are inserting your sticky beak into matters that are none of your concern. Matters that you obviously don't or want to understand. My children have a plot each, they plant seeds, nurture them etc. This teaches them several things, patience (a quality you sadly lack) The wonders of nature and that life doesn't revolve around the TV. I'm sorry if that interferes with your idiotic ideas that they shouldn't be allowed to experience these things. One wonders if you have ever had children of your own. > I think you just wanted an excuse to do something horrible. Conversing with you is doing that. "I did > it for the kids" is always a good excuse -- but it's not true. You remind > me of a news story I read a few weeks ago. Yawn... > >>> The majority I refer to are people who, like myself to start with > >>> and you no doubt, would have liked to have resolved the issue by [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > did. I think you should record your confession on video, and give it to the > police. You think!! .... now we are getting somewhere. > > If anyone is bothered here its you. > > > Oh, you bother me, all right. You are a sicko. Your coming on to me, aren't you? I'll have you know I am a happily married man. Please stop, your old enough to know better. > >>> You really should understand what you are arguing about before > >>> posting a reply. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I am sure you are. You are happy you broke the law AND caused misery. I'm happy that the cat no longer poses a problem to me and my other neighbours, I'm not happy I was forced to take steps by an ignorant, inconsiderate and irresponsible person because she constantly abdicated responsibility for her cat to the local neighbourhood. She had it seems a callous disregard for the safety and welfare of her pet. She shouldn't have been allowed to keep a cat if she wasn't prepared to look after it. She doesn't have one now. > > As far as my neighbour is concerned, the cat DID go missing. Maybe you > > should thank me for only removing it and not the other alternative [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You were planning on killing the cat? Great. No I wasn't but others bothered by it were. > >This way she thinks it has just run > > off or was taken in by someone else because she as hell didn't look [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cared for"? Please. It's much more likely that the cat is either > suffering, bewildered, and scared -- or dead. Not that you care. Nah, your a pessimist. You have no evidence that is the case. Its just as likely to be taken in as it is to be bewildered. Look on the bright side for once it is more than likely there is a family out there now with a nice shiny brand new pet to make a fuss over. Its probably being looked after properly now by someone who actually wants a cat. > >Yes, I think the world is a happier place now thanks to my > > actions. > > Really? Whose happier? Your neighbors? Yes, those that were bothered by it. > The cat? I expect so now it has a proper caring home. > Anyone on this ng? No, I get the distinct impression I am alone on this one. > Oh -- I know -- YOU are happier, and that is all that matters, right? Yep > >> snip > >>> I thought this cat group, although it doesn't have the word "love" [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > ok, like the cat is "no doubt being cared for" (please), like you are > entitled to steal, and inflict suffering. Your still being a pessimist. > >if the neighbour is anything to go by I doubt > > the word contraception has been heard of. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > share your opnions about cats would still NEVER do the disgusting thing you > did? Ok. I'm not sure I understand what your on about but for the sake of a peaceful life... ok. ok? > "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More > Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." > Clairel I know where I would like to insert that spike but then I would be accused of animal abuse... :) Daz >>> "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that they shouldn't be allowed to experience these things. > One wonders if you have ever had children of your own. Why? I don't want children. I have to say, I am sad that so many people who obviously should NOT have children have them -- you know, sociopaths, people like that. I don't know why you think that teaching your kids to garden is so important. There are worse dangers than cat sh.t out there -- MUCH f*cking worse. You had better slather those kids in tick repellent if you want to let them garden. snip > Your coming on to me, aren't you? I'll have you know I am a happily > married man. Please stop, your old enough to know better. Um -- do you know the difference between "your" and "you're"? Try to learn it. It's sort of like learning what the difference is between someone who is coming on to you, and someone who is disgusted by you -- there's a big difference, and if you don't get it, you look stupid. >> Good lord, how you make up excuses for yourself. "No doubt the cat >> is being cared for"? Please. It's much more likely that the cat is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You have no evidence that is the case. Its just as likely to be taken > in as it is to be bewildered. No it's not. The odds are overwhelmingly stacked against that cat. You need to take responsibility for what you did. > Look on the bright side for once Take responsibility for once! >it is more than likely there is a > family out there now with a nice shiny brand new pet to make a fuss > over. Its probably being looked after properly now by someone who > actually wants a cat. Ok -- learn the difference between your and you're, its and it's, and the difference between total f*cking fantasy <<Its (sic) probably being looked after properly now by someone who actually wants a cat>> and reality -- it's probably suffering horribly or dead. > I expect so now it has a proper caring home. Are you ignorant enough to really believe that? >> Oh -- I know -- YOU are happier, and that is all that matters, >> right? > > Yep Spoken like a true sociopath. You must set a great example for your kids. > Your still being a pessimist. Oh, good lord. "You're" v. "your" -- look it up! > I'm not sure I understand what your on about but for the sake of a > peaceful life... ok. ok? Did you tell your kids what you did, or your co-workers, or your neighbors? What do you think their response would be? > Daz Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel >>>> "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >people like that. I don't know why you think that teaching your kids to >garden is so important. I think DAZ teaching his kids about garden is very cool. What would you teach them... how to sit on a fence post an howl all night? There are worse dangers than cat sh.t out there -- >MUCH f*cking worse. You had better slather those kids in tick repellent if >you want to let them garden. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >is coming on to you, and someone who is disgusted by you -- there's a big >difference, and if you don't get it, you look stupid. You like him just admit it. Otherwise you would have dropped the subject along time ago, instead of repeating yourself over and over again. >>> Good lord, how you make up excuses for yourself. "No doubt the cat >>> is being cared for"? Please. It's much more likely that the cat is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >No it's not. The odds are overwhelmingly stacked against that cat. You >need to take responsibility for what you did. Go ahead DAZ, take responsibility for what you did. HAVE A PARTY, drink one for me, will you? >> Look on the bright side for once > >Take responsibility for once! OK, have another party next weekend too, you feel sooo bad don't you, NOT >>it is more than likely there is a >> family out there now with a nice shiny brand new pet to make a fuss [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Ok -- learn the difference between your and you're, its and it's, and the >difference between total f*cking fantasy WOW she can spell "your" and "you're". I'm sure there is another NG out there for spelling and someone to torment. <<Its (sic) probably being looked >after properly now by someone who actually wants a cat>> and reality -- it's >probably suffering horribly or dead. > >> I expect so now it has a proper caring home. > >Are you ignorant enough to really believe that? Why don't YOU just take in all the neighbors cats and then we won't have to worry. >>> Oh -- I know -- YOU are happier, and that is all that matters, >>> right? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Oh, good lord. "You're" v. "your" -- look it up! Look up the word "BITCH", did I spell it right? Oh, sorry it's not suppose to be all CAPS is it. >> I'm not sure I understand what your on about but for the sake of a >> peaceful life... ok. ok? > >Did you tell your kids what you did, or your co-workers, or your neighbors? >What do you think their response would be? Couldn't be worse then what your putting him through, babe >> Daz >>>>> "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip >>> [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > Couldn't be worse then what your putting him through, babe Hmnmmm, could Kelly be a sock puppet? Could Kelly be -- DAZ?!?!?!?! Neither one can tell the difference between "your" and "you're" and both seem convinced that the disgust I feel for Daz is actually admiration -- and they are both posting from the UK. Gosh. What a coincidence. >>> Daz Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel >Hmnmmm, could Kelly be a sock puppet? Could Kelly be -- DAZ?!?!?!?! >Neither one can tell the difference between "your" and "you're" and both >seem convinced that the disgust I feel for Daz is actually admiration -- and >they are both posting from the UK. Gosh. What a coincidence. I don't see that - I do see that they use different ISPs, different news clients, and the messages come through entirely different paths. I'm afraid that misuse of "your" and "you're", "its" and "it's" is just bad English that has become popular with not just the least educated, but even with many moderately educated, especially in the US - I don't encounter those errors in writings by people who have studied English as a second (or third, or fourth) language (but I do see them in writing by young people who learned English informally, even if it is their native language). I also seldom encounter them in writing or speech from people over about fourty. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. > >Hmnmmm, could Kelly be a sock puppet? Could Kelly be -- DAZ?!?!?!?! > >Neither one can tell the difference between "your" and "you're" and both [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > even if it is their native language). I also seldom encounter them in > writing or speech from people over about fourty. Hey wait a minute!!! I do that all the time. It has nothing to do with not knowing the difference and everything to do with having quick fingers and a quick mind. If I were writing a paper for publication or even a memo for work I would correct those errors, be more careful, type slower etc...but this is just "talking" to some of us. I don't really think about my grammar, punctuation or even spelling If I correct punctuation it's more out of habit than the desire to be accurate. I figure if I say its there problem...you know I mean "it's their problem". So...it's not a matter of intelligence, I guess it's just plain laziness. BTW...English is my first language, I have a college degree and am over forty. ohhh...wait...no I'm not... I am 29...yeah, that's the ticket. AG > >Hmnmmm, could Kelly be a sock puppet? Could Kelly be -- DAZ?!?!?!?! > >Neither one can tell the difference between "your" and "you're" and both [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > even if it is their native language). I also seldom encounter them in > writing or speech from people over about fourty. Can I gust say as a bi-lyngual 40 sumfin heducaitid in Camebridge wiv a BSc (British Swimming certificate) your talking bollocks. Look up sanctimonious. Daz >Can I gust say as a bi-lyngual 40 sumfin heducaitid in Camebridge wiv a BSc >(British Swimming certificate) your talking bollocks. >Look up sanctimonious. I don't need to: you illustrate it nicely. If you really did have a degree from Cambridge, I'm sure a letter of revocation would already be on its way. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) > >Can I gust say as a bi-lyngual 40 sumfin heducaitid in Camebridge wiv a BSc > >(British Swimming certificate) your talking bollocks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > degree from Cambridge, I'm sure a letter of revocation would already > be on its way. I have my eye on you Ted, you're a troublemaker........ Daz > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:20:12 GMT, "nimue" snip > You like him just admit it. Otherwise you would have dropped the > subject along time ago, instead of repeating yourself over and over [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > WOW she can spell "your" and "you're". I'm sure there is another NG > out there for spelling and someone to torment. It's something YOU need to learn, too. What a coincidence. > <<Its (sic) probably being looked >> after properly now by someone who actually wants a cat>> and reality [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why don't YOU just take in all the neighbors cats and then we won't > have to worry. You and Daz are united in your loathing of apostrophes, aren't you? Hmmmm. >>>> Oh -- I know -- YOU are happier, and that is all that matters, >>>> right? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Look up the word "BITCH", did I spell it right? Oh, sorry it's not > suppose to be all CAPS is it. Ah, very mature. >>> I'm not sure I understand what your on about but for the sake of a >>> peaceful life... ok. ok? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Couldn't be worse then what your putting him through, babe Please, Daz. Just killfile my posts if you don't like them. I am not putting you through anything -- you put the cat through hell, and the neighbors through hell, and YOU'RE incapable of dealing with it, but that is YOUR problem. I didn't cause that. >>> Daz Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:20:12 GMT, "nimue" > snip [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > neighbors through hell, and YOU'RE incapable of dealing with it, but that is > YOUR problem. I didn't cause that. Hey sweetheart, I'm over here -------> Daz > >>>> "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I think DAZ teaching his kids about garden is very cool. What would > you teach them... how to sit on a fence post an howl all night? :o) > There are worse dangers than cat sh.t out there -- > >MUCH f*cking worse. You had better slather those kids in tick repellent if [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > subject along time ago, instead of repeating yourself over and over > again. Must be my cat litter aftershave. > >>> Good lord, how you make up excuses for yourself. "No doubt the cat > >>> is being cared for"? Please. It's much more likely that the cat is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > OK, have another party next weekend too, you feel sooo bad don't you, > NOT I'm gutted.....hic! Daz > >>> "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Why? I don't want children. Just a wild stab here, mid 60's living alone, couple of cats....... > snip > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is coming on to you, and someone who is disgusted by you -- there's a big > difference, and if you don't get it, you look stupid. If all else fails pick on the grammar. You would do well to read some of your own ramblings, the spelling is atrocious but I didn't pick you up on it because that would be petty. You are (better?) silly, I have tired of you now, you can go. Daz >>>>> "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Just a wild stab here, mid 60's living alone, couple of cats....... 35, married, two cats. >> snip >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Daz Signaturenimue "I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel YOU GO DAZ. I'm totally with you and who ever this cat religious person is, they needed to get a life. How about starting another arguments here. You say you have only indoor cats. I would sure love to see your furniture. Is it is good shape, no cat tears.... because you would never think on declawing the lovely beast now would you? Who cares if you just spent $5000 on new front room furniture. "Oh look honey the cat is sharpening his claw again, it's that cute" Yes I have 3 indoor cats and they are all declawed.............. Kelly >> > "nimue" <cup_o_cakes2NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in >> snip >& |
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