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philo - 04 Dec 2004 15:45 GMT
i have not posted here and quite a while...
but i have a 17 year old cat that i call "Whitecat"

he just had his checkup and he seems to be doing very well in all
areas *except* he will need to have 4 (or more) teeth extracted on monday.

a few years back he had 4 teeth removed...
so i figure that the poor guy is going to have very few (if any teeth left)

i'm just wondering how much of a problem this will be with eating...

he's been eating mostly canned food anyway...so i suppose
he can handle it without the teeth...but was just wondering if anyone
else has had a cat with little or no teeth.

thanks
Luvskats00 - 04 Dec 2004 17:36 GMT
philo philo@privacy.net
writes
>"...i have a 17 year old cat that i call >"Whitecat" he just had his checkup
and >he seems to be doing very well in all
>areas *except* he will need to have 4 (or more) teeth extracted on monday.>
>a few years back he had 4 teeth removed...
>so i figure that the poor guy is going to >have very few (if any teeth left)
>i'm just wondering how much of a >problem this will be with eating..."

One of my cats started needing extractions at age 8...eventually, she had one
fang at 3 teeth left. She ate canned/dry food almost 'til the end.  One of my
cats, now, (adopted at age 7) came to me with one fang and 5 teeth..she eats
canned/dry food.
philo - 04 Dec 2004 17:46 GMT
> philo philo@privacy.net
> writes
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> cats, now, (adopted at age 7) came to me with one fang and 5 teeth..she eats
> canned/dry food.

thank you for the re-assurance,
i'm sure worried about the old guy...but  he still has a few lives left!
i guess i'll know monday if he has any teeth left !
Luvskats00 - 05 Dec 2004 01:40 GMT
"philo" philo@privacy.net writes

>'...'m sure worried about the old guy...but  >he still has a few lives left!
>i guess i'll know monday if he has any teeth left !
 

Once a cat had dental problems, it's wise to be more attentive in monitoring
the conditions of  the mouth.
philo - 05 Dec 2004 02:50 GMT
> Once a cat had dental problems, it's wise to be more attentive in monitoring
> the conditions of  the mouth.

yes
he gets regular checkups
and teeth cleaning
plus i give him plenty of tarter control "treats"
two years ago i was told that the teeth were in bad shape...
and through the best care i could give him...they seem to have lasted until
now...
however they are starting to have a low level infection around the gums
which according to my vet means...some of the teeth will have to go.
she said that for a cat that's 17 years old he's in extremely good shape
otherwise...
in all my years with cats...he;s the first one who has made it to 17 years
and in good health.
if having a few teeth extracted is what it takes to insure good health...
then so be it!
Gee - 04 Dec 2004 18:36 GMT
> i have not posted here and quite a while...
> but i have a 17 year old cat that i call "Whitecat"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> a few years back he had 4 teeth removed...
> so i figure that the poor guy is going to have very few (if any teeth left)

Judjing by http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/whydo2.html cats have 30 teeth,
so few more or less will not be a problem. My neighburs Barney had 9
extracted last year and he is absolutely fine.Timmy barely hs any (he is
around 15.  They still eat both buiscits and wet food. So don;t worry.
philo - 04 Dec 2004 19:26 GMT
> > i have not posted here and quite a while...
> > but i have a 17 year old cat that i call "Whitecat"
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> extracted last year and he is absolutely fine.Timmy barely hs any (he is
> around 15.  They still eat both buiscits and wet food. So don;t worry.

thank you for the good info
and the reassurance!!!!
M.C. Mullen - 05 Dec 2004 00:58 GMT
| > i have not posted here and quite a while...
| > but i have a 17 year old cat that i call "Whitecat"
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
| extracted last year and he is absolutely fine.Timmy barely hs any (he is
| around 15.  They still eat both buiscits and wet food. So don;t worry.

Could it be the sugar in the cat food that causes the loss of teeth?
What do your cats who lose teeth eat?

Carola
Gee - 05 Dec 2004 01:45 GMT
"M.C. Mullen" <mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch> wrote in message
news:41b25e9c$0$5631

> Could it be the sugar in the cat food that causes the loss of teeth?
> What do your cats who lose teeth eat?
>
> Carola

I doubt. Since his cat is 17, which is a VERY old age (bless) for a cat, its
pretty normal for teeth to start falling out. Very often teeth are eaten as
they fall out so we humans don;t even notice. I think its just to do with
age, when bones go a bit wobbly, and so do teeth :) Just like in humans I
suppose.

Probably in regards to teeth, its more important to eat dry food for better
cleaning. Also cat tootbrashing is recommended, but none of mine 5 will let
me :) Also from time to time the vet will suggest thorough clean up of teeth
to remove erm.. whats that thing called...you know, made due to hard water,
looks like stone, distroys katles and boylers...erm...tip of the tongue! :)
No, Can;t remember! You know what i mean :)
philo - 05 Dec 2004 02:58 GMT
> "M.C. Mullen" <mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch> wrote in message
> news:41b25e9c$0$5631
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
:)
> No, Can;t remember! You know what i mean :)

my vet said that the average life of a house cat is 15 years
and for a 17 year old cat, (except for some of his teeth) he is in
*unusually* good condition.

i've had cats ever since i;ve been 16 years old...
which means almost 40 years...
and it's still a learning experience as to what is best.

i used to feed my cats mostly dry food...
which is of course good for the teeth...but generally leads to kidney
failure
at 15 - 17 years...

Whitecat actually adopted me ...when he first started comming over here
many years ago he was pretty well near death...
and over the years i nursed him back to good health.
since i fed him mostly canned food...he has no sign of kidney failure...
but had i know better i would have fed him more of those tarter control
"treats"
as canned food i see now lead to tooth decay.
of course even with the trter control treats and cleanings by my vet...
the truth is he's very old
and nothing lasts forever...especially not teeth.

i take very good care of my own teeth, but still i;ve had plenty of problems
(breaking etc)
anyway ...i can;t wait 'till monday is over with...
and thanks to all for talking to me about this

here is the link, one more time

http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/whitecat.jpg
Gee - 05 Dec 2004 05:18 GMT
> http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/whitecat.jpg

Oh just seen the link, he sure is a sweet thing! Love the different colour
eyes! Very unusual :)

Best wishes with him, and may he have many more years with you :)
philo - 05 Dec 2004 10:06 GMT
>>http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/whitecat.jpg
>
> Oh just seen the link, he sure is a sweet thing! Love the different colour
> eyes! Very unusual :)
>
> Best wishes with him, and may he have many more years with you :)

thank you...
and yes, his eyes really are those colors...

btw: he did not mind that some little girl stuck those ears on him...
he just sat there calmly!
Jodie - 05 Dec 2004 15:56 GMT
> i used to feed my cats mostly dry food...
> which is of course good for the teeth...but generally leads to kidney
> failure
> at 15 - 17 years...

Dry food is actually not all that good for teeth.  Megan posted the
following article here back in September, and since I've switched my cat to
a mostly wet food diet.  Dry food is not great for a cat's teeth because: 1,
cats get most of their water intake from the food they eat, and dry food
contains very little - thus their salivation decreases, exacerbating tooth
decay (and also therefore contributes to kidney failure as they are
chronically dehydrated)....and 2. dry food is high in sugar, and as dry food
tends to stick on teeth, is makes the problem all the worse.

here's what it says in the article re: dental disease and dry food

Dental Disease:
Long-standing claims that cats have less dental disease when they are fed
dry food versus canned food are grossly overrated, inaccurate, and are not
supported by recent studies. First, dry food is hard, but brittle, and
merely shatters with little to no abrasive effect on the teeth. Second, the
high carbohydrate (read: sugar) level in dry foods has been shown to cause
dental decay. Third, many cats swallow the majority of their dry food whole
and thus receive minimal benefit from chewing motion. Finally, a meat-based
diet results in an acidic oral environment which may actually prevent some
forms of dental disease. There are many factors that contribute to dental
disease in the cat such as genetics, viruses, and diet. There remain many
unanswered questions concerning the impact of diet on dental health, but
feeding a high starch, species-inappropriate dry diet is a negative factor.

for the whole article

http://www.catsincanada.com/articles/feeding.html

My 12.5 year-old cat's teeth are in good condition, but one thing for sure,
since the switch to mostly wet food, her coat has become so much softer and
shinier!
Wayne Boatwright - 05 Dec 2004 16:44 GMT
> Dry food is actually not all that good for teeth.  Megan posted the
> following article here back in September, and since I've switched my cat
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> in sugar, and as dry food tends to stick on teeth, is makes the problem
> all the worse.

Our four cats get a premium canned food in the morning and in the evening,
but there are also bowls of dry food always available.  During the week we
are both gone during the day from 6:30am to 8:00pm.  I wouldn't feel right
leaving them on their own with no food.  There are also bowls of fresh
water, and they all drink it.

The dry food we give them is 100% nutritionally complete and made of (in
order of percentage) corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, ground
wheat, ground yeolow corn, poultry fat, brewer's rice, brewer's dried
yeast, dried whey,poultry digest, seafood digest, liver digest, and vitamin
and mineral supplements.  Nowhere do I see sugar, apart from the naturally
occurring sugars found in the meals.

As a supplemental food, I don't think it's a bad thing.

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Jodie - 05 Dec 2004 21:39 GMT
> > Dry food is actually not all that good for teeth.  Megan posted the
> > following article here back in September, and since I've switched my cat
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> --
> Wayne in Phoenix

I agree with you that as a supplemental food, it's not a bad thing.  My cat
gets unlimited dry food.  I just offer her more wet food, and since she has
decreased her intake of dry food.

The sugars you don't see is the corn meal.  Carbs convert to sugar.  Also,
cats are carnivores, and do not get any benefit from corn meal or wheat
products.  Since it's used minimally for energy, what's left is stored as
fat.  Cats get their energy from protein.

from the article

Learn How To Read a Pet Food Ingredients Label
The words "natural" or "premium" are not necessarily indicative of high
quality Look for meat as the first ingredient. This will be listed as
"chicken", "turkey", etc. NOT "chicken meal", or "chicken by-product meal"
or "chicken by-products", or "chicken broth". The term "meal" denotes that
it has been rendered (cooked for a long time at very high temperatures) and
is lower quality than meat that has not been as heavily processed.

By-products can include feet, intestines, feathers, egg shells, etc. and
are less nutritious than meat. Grains should be absent or, at least, minimal
in amount. This means if they are present, they should not be among the
first three ingredients. Corn and wheat are thought to be common allergens
when compared to other grains such as rice, oats or barley so it is best to
choose a food that does not contain corn or wheat.
Luvskats00 - 05 Dec 2004 17:00 GMT
"Jodie" jodie75@sympatico.ca  writes

>Dry food is actually not all that good for teeth.....Dry food is not great for
a cat's teeth because...their salivation decreases, >exacerbating tooth
>decay (and also therefore contributes to kidney failure as they are
>chronically dehydrated)....and 2. dry food is high in sugar, and as dry food
>tends to stick on teeth, is makes the problem all the worse.
>
>here's what it says in the article re: dental disease and dry food...

Now, all you have to do is cite the reference (the actual publication, date,
and author of this reference). I can't imagine a cat on an all canned or all
dry food diet.
Jodie - 05 Dec 2004 21:33 GMT
jodie75@sympatico.ca

> "Jodie" jodie75@sympatico.ca  writes
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> and author of this reference). I can't imagine a cat on an all canned or all
> dry food diet.

If you'd look in my OM, I gave the link where I got the info, and it has the
author's name and some of HER references.  Plus a bunch of links.

Also, I said in my message that I have my cat on a MOSTLY wet food diet now.
She still gets unlimited dry food, but I give her more wet food.  Since
offering her more wet food, she has decreased her intake of dry food.  I
never said a cat should be on an all wet food diet.
I.P.Freely - 05 Dec 2004 17:29 GMT
> > i used to feed my cats mostly dry food...
> > which is of course good for the teeth...but generally leads to kidney
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> chronically dehydrated)....and 2. dry food is high in sugar, and as dry food
> tends to stick on teeth, is makes the problem all the worse.

My 2 older cats (12 and 13)  have been on a dry food diet (Hills
Scienceplan) for about 10 years with plenty of water always available. Both
still have all their teeth with no sign of disease, decay & hardly any
plaque. I take them for a general checkover every year to the vets (as they
have never been ill to warrant being taken for any other reason) and the vet
always comments on the condition of their teeth for their age.

They now get spoiled as I have 2 kitties so between the 4 of them they get a
tin and a half of wet every day and free feeding with dry food. The older
one doesn't want to know and just eats the dry food but the younger one
likes a bit of wet in the morning.

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