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I had taken my passive cat Ralph to meet my nephew, my sis in law had said that for the next few hours, he was as happy as could be. I have made an arrangement with a local rescue shelter for Monday to get him a cat (not kitten) perhaps this may help his situation. ADD & cats. Why would a kid with ADD be any different from a non ADD kid with cats? I have ADD, or ADHD or whatever you want to call it, and as far as I am concerned it's an enhancement to anyone's personality, and not a so called "condition" or "disability" or "social problem", or any other of 100 names I may have heard. Not a snipe, just curious why you think it could be different. Gary. >ADD & cats. >Why would a kid with ADD be any different from a non ADD kid with cats? Some of us don't have much experience or knowledge about ADD, but there's a preconception that ADD children are more hyperactive, engage in rougher play than non-ADD. I admit this may not be true, maybe you can enlighten me differently. It's just the impression I"ve gotten from children that I know who have ADD. Sherry | >ADD & cats. | >Why would a kid with ADD be any different from a non ADD kid with cats? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | have ADD. | Sherry Erm ... is ADD the same as ADS (attention deficit syndrome)? They are the kids I teach, I can tell you, they are a handful ... Carola > Erm ... is ADD the same as ADS (attention deficit syndrome)? > They are the kids I teach, I can tell you, they are a handful ... Yes. Kids with ADD / ADS are easily bored thats all. Classes are to difficult when its textbook stuff. My fave at school was History, not because of the work, but because the teacher was a clown, and very good at it! He was a very funny man and made doing the work a good laugh. Gary. >Yes. Kids with ADD / ADS are easily bored thats all. Classes are to >difficult when its textbook stuff. My fave at school was History, not >because of the work, but because the teacher was a clown, and very good at >it! He was a very funny man and made doing the work a good laugh. I just don't see how kids with ADD make it through school having to sit hours every single day. It was horrible enough for someone without ADD! (I enjoyed college much more, where we were "allowed" to get up and leave the room to walk/smoke/toilet or just plain get the heck out of there for a few minutes) My middle daughter I suspect is ADD, but I homeschool the kids and just work around and with her instead of forcing her, and she is doing wonderfully. (we don't textbook teach) She is great in math, often surprising me at how quickly she comes up with an answer. She is very easily bored but I can see where that can be a terrific thing in some situations! Marie On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:31:07 -0000, "Gary" <gary@garywhittle.co.uk> >> Erm ... is ADD the same as ADS (attention deficit syndrome)? >> They are the kids I teach, I can tell you, they are a handful ... > >Yes. Kids with ADD / ADS are easily bored thats all. Classes are to >difficult when its textbook stuff. In many cases, so-called "ADD" children are bored becausee the textbooks aren't difficult enough. Of course, that is the result of overuse of the term. > My fave at school was History, not >because of the work, but because the teacher was a clown, and very good at >it! He was a very funny man and made doing the work a good laugh. > >Gary. -- There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday >>Yes. Kids with ADD / ADS are easily bored thats all. Classes are to >>difficult when its textbook stuff. I should have said too boring, thats what I meant. Gary. > Some of us don't have much experience or knowledge about ADD, but there's > a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > know who > have ADD. We certainly have more energy, and if left without a proper outlet for that energy we tend to cause serious problems :) I was an absolute terror when younger, breaking things up, swearing, being disruptive and generally not listening to anyone. However, I had a lot of cats and loved them all to bits. I have three cats now, and they are super sweet! Gary. On 01 Dec 2004 14:50:39 GMT, sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) >>ADD & cats. >>Why would a kid with ADD be any different from a non ADD kid with cats? > >Some of us don't have much experience or knowledge about ADD, but there's a >preconception that ADD children are more hyperactive, And the reason for that preconception is that ADD is simply an updated term for hyperactivity and an excuse to prescribe more Ritalin. I'm not saying there's no such thing as ADD (or ADHD or hyperactivity), but it is over-diagnosed. There are actually school officials doing the "diagnosis" and telling parents they need to put their kids on Ritalin. > engage in rougher play >than non-ADD. I admit this may not be true, maybe you can enlighten me >differently. It's just the impression I"ve gotten from children that I know who >have ADD. >Sherry -- There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday >And the reason for that preconception is that ADD is simply an updated >term for hyperactivity and an excuse to prescribe more Ritalin. I am reminded of an American teenager named Michael Fay who was trailed in Singapore for vandalizing. His lawyer argued to the Singapore court that Mr. Fay was innocent of his crime because he was suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder. As Singaporeans were homebodies and had not heard of this latest fashionable disease in the States, they treated Mr. Fay to a heaping serving of spanking, the traditional Singaproean treatment for symptoms of ADD, known locally as spoiled brats. The treatment worked great! Mr. Fay never again vandalized properties in Singapore. Unfortunately, after he returned to the States, he was no longer treated with more spanking; and he went back to his old ways and was in trouble with the law again. On 08 Dec 2004 04:08:25 GMT, dikfliu@aol.comnojunk (Dik F. Liu) >>And the reason for that preconception is that ADD is simply an updated >>term for hyperactivity and an excuse to prescribe more Ritalin. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >locally as spoiled brats. The treatment worked great! Mr. Fay never again >vandalized properties in Singapore. Yeah, I remember that guy, although I didn't know he suffered from "ADD" >Unfortunately, after he returned to the States, he was no longer treated with >more spanking; and he went back to his old ways and was in trouble with the law >again. I didn't hear about that either? What did he do? -- There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday > As Singaporeans were homebodies and had not heard of this latest > fashionable disease in the States, they treated Mr. Fay to a heaping [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the law > again. I was diagnosed with "ADD" as a 12 year old, I am now 24. I was beat as a kid regularly, a violont step dad - and trust me, it didnt "teach me a lesson" - at least not the the lesson most people try to get across with a beating. What it tought me was is that some people can be evil sadistic bastards, and should be kept at arms length at all times. It made me nervous around large groups of people (at school for example, I was shy and was an easy target for bullies). As an adult, it makes me more aware of the dangers from the scumbags who walk our streets, I am over defensive because of my beatings. as far as my behaviour wss concerned, it got worse over time and the beating did nothing to help at all, it made me more rebelious. Anyway, ADD, I too think it is overdiagnosed, if it is an illness / condition at all. However, there is something different about me, take these examples: - I am a fidget, I never ever sit still, I am always moving my hands or feet. - I compulsively break things without knowing. I may pick up a pen, and completely destroy it before I can even acknowledge what I have done. Or, I could pick up a teaspoon and bend it in half with no consideration at all. Last week in my mothers, whilst at the dinner table, I cut a cerial box into hundreds of tiny pieces and threw it all over the floor lol :) No idea why, but it was fun! :). I didnt pick it up. - I spend STUPID amounts of money on silly things. This month I have spent ?1500 GBP on aqurium equipment. 5 weeks ago, I didnt own a single fish. - I buy DVD's all the time, and never ever watch them. I just bought the entire box set of Star Trek, The Next Generation. Still not opened, and cant be bothered with it now. Few days ago, I bought series 1 - 7 on DVD for Stargate SG1. Again I cannot be bothered watching it. Simpsons box sets 1 - 5 last week....still in wrappers. - Same with video games. I own 300+ xbox, PS2 and Gamecube games. About 50 are still in wrappers and are well over 18 months old. - Food, I am VERY VERY fussy about what I eat, and have a very limited diet. This drives my partner barmy. - Selfish. I dont care for other peoples feeling too much. If I want something, I get it - end of story. If someone tries to stop me, all hell breaks loose. - Emotional. If someone has a joke with me, I can very easily take it to heart and sometimes get very angry with them. - Cant sleep, I can lie for hours at night with hundreds of ideas in my head - sleeping can sometimes be near impossible for me. - Hyperactive. I am always going at 100 miles an hour, I hate taking things slowly. If someone gets in my way and slows me down, I can really start to boil over. - Anger. If I am in an argument, I can snap instantly. I am not violont physically, but I can bloody shout. - Time keeping. I am late fo everything all of the time. - Routine. I hate routine, I cant stand routine. If I do anything, it is on a compulsion, a spur of the moment choice. Man, this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are 100 other things which are "wierd" to most people. I actually like most of the "symptoms", I feel like a kid most of the time, and I am always having a good laugh with friends and family. I also work for myself, as I have been booted out of most jobs for being a prat :). Gary. >Man, this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are 100 other things which >are "wierd" to most people. I actually like most of the "symptoms", I feel >like a kid most of the time, and I am always having a good laugh with >friends and family. I also work for myself, as I have been booted out of >most jobs for being a prat :). Have other disorders been ruled out? Such as bipolar, for example? Marie Spending too much money on DVDs you never watch, and video games you never played: it sounds as if you are a spendthrift, Gary. These days, we call this compulsive spending. I am sorry that spanking didn't help you, Gary. It seems that your stepdad didn't do it right, or did it for the wrong reasons. When I was a kid, I was a spoiled brat with the attention span of a gnat. It that were today, I would have been dosed with Ritalin. But Ritalin wasn't around then and whenever I acted up my parents told me to knock it off. When that didn't work, they gave me a few hearty spanking. I grew up a responsible adult, Ritalin free. I am not advocating spanking as omnibus cure for juvenile misdeeds. But as the Singaporeans demonstrated by spanking Michael Fay half-a-dozen times, it worked better than Ritalin. Mr. Fay's stopped vandalizing and tearing off street signs, and symptoms of his ADD disappeared until he returned to the States, where the treatment was no longer available. > I am sorry that spanking didn't help you, Gary. It seems that your stepdad > didn't do it right, or did it for the wrong reasons. Not sure how it is done right? Maybe you can explain. All I know is that it hurt a lot, and I ended up hating him more than I have ever hated anything. My behaviour was out of control regardless of his "spanking". > When I was a kid, I was a > spoiled brat with the attention span of a gnat. It that were today, I > would > have been dosed with Ritalin. I was never prescribed drugs. (I am now 24, not sure what the situ was when I was a kid). > But Ritalin wasn't around then and whenever I > acted up my parents told me to knock it off. When that didn't work, they > gave > me a few hearty spanking. I grew up a responsible adult, Ritalin free. > > I am not advocating spanking as omnibus cure for juvenile misdeeds. Good because it is cruel and wrong. >But as the > Singaporeans demonstrated by spanking Michael Fay half-a-dozen times, it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > States, > where the treatment was no longer available. Maybe he was just a tear away kid? The symptoms of "ADD" cannot be removed with a "good hearty spanking". All that happens is you hide your true self from the nazi style dictator who issues the spanking, and act up even more elsewhere. You have to release all the energy somewhere. Gary. >Not sure how it is done right? Maybe you can explain.< I don't know how to explain or to administer proper spanking techniques through an e-mail, Gary. It sounds as though your stepdad was spanking you for fun rather than to discipline you. Now that you are older, I doubt that spanking even if done correctly would still be as effective. Perhaps you should be spanked correctly at an earlier age, or now that you are older, you should be spanked more enthusiastically, and by someone who knows how. >Maybe he was just a tear away kid? The symptoms of "ADD" cannot be removed with a "good hearty spanking". All that happens is you hide your true self from the nazi style dictator who issues the spanking, and act up even more elsewhere.< Well, according to Mr. Fay's lawyer, tearing off street signs, etc., were the symptoms of Mr. Fay's ADD. It was the core of the lawyer's argument to get Mr. Fay off the legal hook. So, following the lawyer's logic, the spanking accomplished exactly its mission: it removed Mr. Fay's symptoms of ADD, which to tear off street signs. The spanking was not intend to transform Mr. Fay into a kind, considerate person. It only attempted, and accomplished, to stop Mr. Fay from being a pain-in-the-butt to the rest of us. This, as you wrote, means stopping him from his "true self", which in this case is better than had he expressed it unrestrainedly. Don't you agree, or do you think it would be better had he been left freely to express his "true self" and kept vandelizing public properties? Dik > I don't know how to explain or to administer proper spanking techniques > through > an e-mail, Gary. Hmm, cant be that hard can it? You take your hand, and inflict pain on your child. Is there any other way to describe it? > Well, according to Mr. Fay's lawyer, tearing off street signs, etc., were > the > symptoms of Mr. Fay's ADD. Could the lawyer by chance be clutching at whatever straws possible? I have never vandalised, or tore of street signs. Nor have I smashed windows, hit another person (unless to defend myself), smashed windows, stolen goods etc etc. Not all criminals have ADD, and not all people with ADD are criminals. Sounds like the guy was a complete w.nker, probably nothing to do with his ADD, IF he had it at all. > It was the core of the lawyer's argument to get Mr. > Fay off the legal hook. So, following the lawyer's logic, the spanking > accomplished exactly its mission: it removed Mr. Fay's symptoms of ADD, > which > to tear off street signs. Well if it "cured" him, then he never had ADD. He was a foolish kid who enjoyed tearing things up. > The spanking was not intend to transform Mr. Fay into a kind, considerate > person. It only attempted, and accomplished, to stop Mr. Fay from being a > pain-in-the-butt to the rest of us. There are many other ways to accomplish this task, without reverting to violence. > This, as you wrote, means stopping him from > his "true self", which in this case is better than had he expressed it > unrestrainedly. Don't you agree, or do you think it would be better had he > been > left freely to express his "true self" and kept vandelizing public > properties? No, I think ignoring his behaviour is a stupid suggestion. However, like I said, violence is not the answer to behaviour problems. Gary. > Spending too much money on DVDs you never watch, and video games you never > played: it sounds as if you are a spendthrift, Gary. These days, we call > this > compulsive spending. Yes, I suffer from compulsive spending. Dont get me wrong, I enjoy it. I just wish I could spend more time with the things I buy :) gary. in all reality it IS a disability. kids cant concentrate on schooling and important things, and if they do, its ALL they think about. its not like you and i, where we can multi-task. something like that is literally impossible, without the aide of meds, for an ADD kid/adult. -agent smith  SignatureBe sure to check out http://home.satx.rr.com/satxcichlids for information on my fishies! also, sign up for a *FREE* ipod here: http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=9570045 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daewootech/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daewoolanos/ http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback/ contact info: agentsmith@UNDIES.the-c0re.tk agentsmith2011@UNDIES.punkass.com remove UNDIES to reply :D > in all reality it IS a disability. kids cant concentrate on schooling and > important things, and if they do, its ALL they think about. its not like > you and i, where we can multi-task. something like that is literally > impossible, without the aide of meds, for an ADD kid/adult. I was never prescribed meds as a kid, and have not taken any as an adult. I did struggle in both Primary School and Secondary, but I would still disregard the claim that it is a disability. I was able to do the work, I can write, read, spell, do maths etc. What I hated was repetitive and cumbersome tasks, I needed stimulation and found none in school. Today I run a very successful Internet Business which is making more money than most people could had ever hope for, and I am only 24. The energy and drive I put into the business can only come from what we all call ADHD. It took time, I suffered from poor self confidence and depression in my late teens / early twenties, but as soon as I discovered my strengths I was able to concentrate and make use of them. Because of what ADHD has allowed me to do, I consider it a gift. Regards, Gary. > in all reality it IS a disability. kids cant concentrate on schooling and > important things, and if they do, its ALL they think about. its not like > you and i, where we can multi-task. something like that is literally > impossible, without the aide of meds, for an ADD kid/adult. Mr Smith, One other thing how do you know "they" cannot multitask? I do a pretty good job of it!!! When working, I am concentrating on a hundred things at once - and manage quite well. Admittedly, it was harder as a child. Anyway, what does any of it have to do with owning cats? Gary. because YOU are an individual, and as a whole, ADD people cannot multi-task SignatureBe sure to check out http://home.satx.rr.com/satxcichlids for information on my fishies! also, sign up for a *FREE* ipod here: http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=9570045 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daewootech/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daewoolanos/ http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback/ contact info: agentsmith@UNDIES.the-c0re.tk agentsmith2011@UNDIES.punkass.com remove UNDIES to reply :D > because YOU are an individual, and as a whole, ADD people cannot > multi-task You are being very stereotypical. If I have ADD and can Multitask, how can "ADD people" not do this? Gary. YOU obviously dont understand the difference between a group of people and an invididual. IMO, most ADD people ive met/seen cannot multitask. im speaking from personal experience here sir. if you have data that contradicts what ive seen, good for you, just dont close your mind to other points of views... -agent smith SignatureBe sure to check out http://home.satx.rr.com/satxcichlids for information on my fishies! also, sign up for a *FREE* ipod here: http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=9570045 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daewootech/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daewoolanos/ http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback/ contact info: agentsmith@UNDIES.the-c0re.tk agentsmith2011@UNDIES.punkass.com remove UNDIES to reply :D >> because YOU are an individual, and as a whole, ADD people cannot >> multi-task > > You are being very stereotypical. If I have ADD and can Multitask, how > can "ADD people" not do this? I think you're proving that ADD is an intellectual disability. He's just told you - next to the general population, the ADD population is poor at multi-tasking. Duh ! > Gary. > >> because YOU are an individual, and as a whole, ADD people cannot > >> multi-task [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > Gary. ADD or whatever name you use for it, is a just colection of symptoms, you can have any number of a long list of things that can make life dificult. you dont have to have all of them. i try not to see it as something that makes me less of a person, but for me is like trying to drive a formulea 1 racing car around the streets of london. but now i realise what it is that ive got i could of lived live a lot diferently, and just try to avoid the things that its virtualy imposible for me to do (without medication anyway) the worst thing about it was people trying to tel me al my life that i just simply wasnt trying hard enough like everyone else was. this ultimatly led to my destruction some years ago, in the end i just simply tried too hard and something broke!! cats are great, for some1 with ADD you might think looking after them would be a problem but my cats are great, they look after themselves so well, i just put dry biscuits out for them, they drink water from outside, (even if i do put water out) and if i forget to feed them they become incredibly afectionate, wich gives me the wil to overcome any dificutly. i just wish i could get round to some flea control before it becomes such a nightamare. genetic cuases of deficit in the reward centers of the brain has been linked to ADD and cats can be incredibly rewarding to some people. as for multitasking I am often doing 100 things at once but none of them ever actualy get finished or done very well, or sometimes my concentration is focused on one thing for so long people say i ive become glued to it, then one day i lose interest and thats the end of it. meow =^.^= >> in all reality it IS a disability. kids cant concentrate on schooling and >> important things, and if they do, its ALL they think about. its not like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Anyway, what does any of it have to do with owning cats? Because on the whole, ADD kids tend to play rough and get easily frustrated - not ideal characteristics in a cat owner. > Gary. > ADD & cats. > Why would a kid with ADD be any different from a non ADD kid with cats? I > have ADD, or ADHD or whatever you want to call it, and as far as I am > concerned it's an enhancement to anyone's personality, and not a so called > "condition" or "disability" or "social problem", How would you know unless you'd been cured of it to make the comparison ? After all, the only valid comparison is yourself without ADD. or any other of 100 names I > may have heard. > > Not a snipe, just curious why you think it could be different. > > Gary. |I had taken my passive cat Ralph to meet my nephew, my sis in law had said | that for the next few hours, he was as happy as could be. I have made an | arrangement with a local rescue shelter for Monday to get him a cat (not | kitten) perhaps this may help his situation. Great!! Just introduce them slowly and give them plenty of room. The new cat will most likely spend the first three or so days under the sofa, so don't be surprised, just leave food and water there and a litterbox nearby. Good luck! Carola > I had taken my passive cat Ralph to meet my nephew, my sis in law had said > that for the next few hours, he was as happy as could be. I have made an > arrangement with a local rescue shelter for Monday to get him a cat (not > kitten) perhaps this may help his situation. Would it be better to let the kid select the pet? >> I had taken my passive cat Ralph to meet my nephew, my sis in law had >> said [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >playful type. I could go more into his personality, but this is not the >group for that. |
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