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Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? When my cat Jackyll died in February, I thought I'd never get over it. I love my cats so much, and I am so close to them. I went through a period of isolating illness and sometimes my cats Jackyll and Bonnie were the only living creatures I'd see for weeks. I wanted to have Jackyll's ashes returned to me, but I was told by a bunch of people that it wasn't worth the money because the ashes I'd get back wouldn't be hers anyways. So I opted out, and remember her in other ways, better ways, I think. But is it true about the ashes, or not? Or does it really depend on whom is doing the cremating? -- ___________________ Jodie jodie75@sympatico.ca >Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to >you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? My understanding is yes, that it occurs in humans and in pets. >When my cat Jackyll died in February, I thought I'd never get over it. I >love my cats so much, and I am so close to them. I went through a period of >isolating illness and sometimes my cats Jackyll and Bonnie were the only >living creatures I'd see for weeks. You mean the other cat wasn't name Hyde? >I wanted to have Jackyll's ashes returned to me, but I was told by a bunch >of people that it wasn't worth the money because the ashes I'd get back [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >But is it true about the ashes, or not? Or does it really depend on whom is >doing the cremating? What were you planning on doing with the ashes? Bear in mind around here it is illegal to bury the pet in any form in your own yard. (I have no idea why, you would have to ask the EPA why). > >Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to > >you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? > My understanding is yes, that it occurs in humans and in pets. Where do they do group cremations of humans? My understanding is that the only humans that are allowed to be cremated together are close relatives and only if there are no local laws banning this practice. Other than that humans are always cremated individually. I know when my father was cremated there had to be a seal affixed to the box containing his cremains certifying that the contents were in truth my father. > >When my cat Jackyll died in February, I thought I'd never get over it. I > >love my cats so much, and I am so close to them. I went through a period of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >Where do they do group cremations of humans? My understanding is that the >only humans that are allowed to be cremated together are close relatives and >only if there are no local laws banning this practice. Other than that >humans are always cremated individually. I know when my father was cremated >there had to be a seal affixed to the box containing his cremains certifying >that the contents were in truth my father. When a relative died a few years back and was cremated we found out they only fire up the cremation equipment when a quantity of bodies are to be done. They only do single cremations if you're prepared to pay mega-bucks. This is in the United States. My understanding is the practice is done this way because the equipment is so expensive to operate. The people at the funeral home readily admitted that they can't guarantee who the remains belong to. > Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to > you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Jodie > jodie75@sympatico.ca Nothing really, depends on the place that does it. I work for a vet. and we offer the singular cremation for famlies that want their pet back ,but there is also offered the group cremation. You would have to check to make sure the place will do the one cremation and that you will only get back your pets ashes. And also check the rep. of the cremation center. > >When my cat Jackyll died in February, I thought I'd never get over it. I > >love my cats so much, and I am so close to them. I went through a period of > >isolating illness and sometimes my cats Jackyll and Bonnie were the only > >living creatures I'd see for weeks. > You mean the other cat wasn't name Hyde? Yuk yuk. No, but Bonnie is actually named after another cat I had called Bonnie, and with her was Clyde. Jackyll was named by my ex-boyfriend, who was kind of an idiot. I told him it was like naming a cat "Dog", but he thought Jackal was cool. He left, I kept "Jackyll". > What were you planning on doing with the ashes? Bear in mind around > here it is illegal to bury the pet in any form in your own yard. (I > have no idea why, you would have to ask the EPA why). I would have just kept the ashes for sentimentality, that's all. I did get her cremated, I just didn't get the ashes. > Nothing really, depends on the place that does it. I work for a vet. and we > offer the singular cremation for famlies that want their pet back ,but there > is also offered the group cremation. You would have to check to make sure > the place will do the one cremation and that you will only get back your > pets ashes. And also check the rep. of the cremation center. I was offered any options. Oh, well, she is in my memories. >Nothing really, depends on the place that does it. I work for a vet. and we >offer the singular cremation for famlies that want their pet back ,but there >is also offered the group cremation. You would have to check to make sure >the place will do the one cremation and that you will only get back your >pets ashes. And also check the rep. of the cremation center. As I discovered when a relative died a few years ago it is very expensive to fire up the crematory equipment. The only way that equipment is fired up is if there are a number of bodies to cremated. You get back ashes, the ashes may or may not be your loved one. My understanding is the only way to insure that it is your loved one that you're getting the ashes for is to pay alot of money. (I'm told it would cost alot more than a "tradional" burial). >>Nothing really, depends on the place that does it. I work for a vet. >>and we offer the singular cremation for famlies that want their pet [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > is to pay alot of money. (I'm told it would cost > alot more than a "tradional" burial). When our cat, Margaret, was cremated our vet assured us that she would be creamated individually and we would receive only her ashes. There were two different prices, one for a group cremation and one for the single. The group cremation was rediculously inexpensive. I think we paid around $140-150 for the single.  SignatureWayne in Phoenix *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. > Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to > you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Jodie > jodie75@sympatico.ca I have had this done twice in the last year (my 19 yr old to CRF & my 17 year old to heart disease). At the time I was offered private cremation at a higher charge, which I paid for... >But is it true about the ashes, or not? Or does it really depend on whom is >doing the cremating? Some cremate a few cats at a time, some do only one cat. I made sure they only did one cat at a time when I got my Boots cremated. It was on tehir contract. Of course I didn't go look at them put his body into the oven but I hope they were honest. He's in a little urn on my mantle. I like looking at him up there. I just didn't want to put his body into the ground or leave it at the vet's office. This was right for me. I had Samantha cremated so I could bring her with me where ever I went - it cost $180, so I would imagine it was just her - I honestly don't recall anything about group or single, but I would have chosen single. She sits on a shelf on top of my TV with a picture of her right next to her "tin" - SignatureChristi Art Without Anxiety www.ArtWithoutAnxiety.com >^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^< >^,,^< > >But is it true about the ashes, or not? Or does it really depend on whom > >is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > vet's > office. This was right for me. Frankly any reputable place would either do it singly, or else inform you that they're doing group cremation. This is why it' so important to ask around preferably BEFORE you have to cremate your pet. We will likely have to have this done as we live in an apartment. We have nowhere to bury the pet, so keeping cremains is probably our best form of burial. --Fil >Frankly any reputable place would either do it singly, or else inform >you that they're doing group cremation. I've had several relatives die over the years. Basically what it boils down to is the cremation is done in groups, the only ones who get a "solitary" cremation is families like the Kennedys, The Bushs, and other families who are billionaires. If they tell you the cremation is done singly they are lying to you unless you name is Kennedy. Try looking into the funeral industry some time, it's enough to make you sick. >>Frankly any reputable place would either do it singly, or else inform >>you that they're doing group cremation. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Try looking into the funeral industry some time, > it's enough to make you sick. That's Odd. We watched my friend get cremated. He was in there alone - I am quite sure. -Jen >That's Odd. We watched my friend get cremated. He was in there alone - I >am quite sure. You actually got to watch? Around here nobody is allowed in the builidng when they do it. (Othewise they may see the people steal the cofin before the body goes in the crematroium.) >>That's Odd. We watched my friend get cremated. He was in there alone - I >>am quite sure. > You actually got to watch? Around here nobody is allowed in the > builidng when they do it. (Othewise they may see the people steal the > cofin before the body goes in the crematroium.) Yes we watched. But he didn't have a coffin because - well, what's the point during cremation? There was a limit on the number of people who could watch, but that was a space issue, not that they were being stingy. I can also ask my friend - her mom owns a funeral home with crematorium in this town. It was a different place than where my friend was, but I know they offer viewing to the family and very close friends and I really can't imagine my friend being anything but honest and forthright about all their policies. I am sorry that you have (obviously) been, umm, dissatisfied by the service offered by your funeral home. I'd be outraged too. But I would not assume that the treatment you endured is a problem in all places or funery establishments. Sorry for your losses, Jen >I am sorry that you have (obviously) been, umm, dissatisfied by the service >offered by your funeral home. I'd be outraged too. But I would not assume >that the treatment you endured is a problem in all places or funery >establishments. Let me put it this way. I've had lots of freinds/relatives die over the years. It never ceases to amaze me how the funeral industry turns into money grubbing vultures preying on the greaving to make a fast buck. It's an absolute disgrace. >Let me put it this way. I've had lots of freinds/relatives die over >the years. It never ceases to amaze me how the funeral industry >turns into money grubbing vultures preying on the greaving to >make a fast buck. > >It's an absolute disgrace. Then pre-arrange everything. That way, all the grieving family has to do is show up at the funeral, and there are no decisions to be made whatsoever. A friend of mine has done exactly that, down to the last detail. He's even written his obituary and put it on file at the newspaper. Of course, he's 93 though. :-) Sherry >Then pre-arrange everything. That way, all the grieving family has to do is >show up at the funeral, and there are no decisions to be made whatsoever. A >friend of mine has done exactly that, down to the last detail. He's even >written his obituary and put it on file at the newspaper. Of course, he's 93 >though. :-) Be really careful pre-arranging funerals. Around here a number of people pre-arranged things even going as far as paying for it up to the tune of many thousands of dollars only to find out at the time of the funeral that all the money is gone. A funeral is bad enough without finding out the thousands your loved one paid in advance is now gone. My understanding those cases are still pending. >Be really careful pre-arranging funerals. Around here a number of >people pre-arranged things even going as far as paying for it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >loved one paid in advance is now gone. My understanding >those cases are still pending. Well, naturally I was talking about well-respected established funeral homes. They're NOT going to blow their reputations by pulling a cheap swindle on you, besides risking felony charges. IMO, you should always involve your attorney in any important decisions...just to keep on topic...an attorney can also help you arrange provisions for your pets and make your wishes known after you're gone. Never assume family will just take your cats. I've seen too many "family members" dump Fluffy at the shelter as soon as Grandma was planted. Sherry >>Frankly any reputable place would either do it singly, or else inform >>you that they're doing group cremation. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Try looking into the funeral industry some time, > it's enough to make you sick. FWIW I looked this up because it didn't sound correct... according to www.cremation.org: Can Two Cremations Be Performed At Once? Never. Not only is it illegal to do so, most modern cremation chambers are not of sufficient size to accommodate more than one adult. Thus it would be a practical impossibility to conduct multiple cremations simultaneously. >FWIW I looked this up because it didn't sound correct... >according to www.cremation.org: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >not of sufficient size to accommodate more than one adult. Thus it would be >a practical impossibility to conduct multiple cremations simultaneously. And that directly contradicts with our attorney genearals office who have proesucted the funeral industry for lots of "misrepresenations." Around here there have been some funeral homes nailed by the state for these "misrepresentations." > jodie75@sympatico.ca writes >Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to >you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? In New York many vets do offer the standard group cremation and the costlier individual cremation. the crematorium we use has two areas. One for group cremations, and one for privates. For privates, they can only do one per day due to the heat and regulations. The ashes are that of the pet and only the pet. If you are considering doing it for your other pet, you might want to consider checking the facility that your vet uses. > Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to > you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Jodie > jodie75@sympatico.ca >the crematorium we use has two areas. One for group cremations, and one for >privates. For privates, they can only do one per day due to the heat and >regulations. The ashes are that of the pet and only the pet. If you are >considering doing it for your other pet, you might want to consider checking >the facility that your vet uses. Also check with your states Attrorney Generals office. There is lots of fraud prosecuted each year related to the funeral industry. The AGs office has found the industry has a 'captive' greaving audience and they take full economic/emotional advantage of it. It's also why some around here are choosing to do what they did back many years ago. They choose to have the funeral out of their own house. It worked many years ago and bypassed the sleazy funeral home and all the related games they play. > Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to > you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? I don't know how other places function, but I work for a humane society. I'm certified in euthanasia, and loading the incinerator goes hand-in-hand with doing the dirty work. We do it one of two ways: 1. Communal cremations - all of our shelter animals are communal - unless a staff member or volunteer is particularly attached to a specific animal, in which case, see number 2. 2. Private cremations - sometimes more than one animal is put in the incinerator at a time, but they're not piled on top of each other. They're carefully separated and given plenty of space so we can be sure we're gathering up the right bones of the right animal. Considering our incinerator is a human-sized machine, there's plenty of space. The only real difference between the two is the time frame. Privates can take awhile to be done because of the time constraints on staff - burning time, cooling down, etc. We offer euthanasia services to the public. They can request it (ORE) and leave the animal for us to deal with (though rarely do OREs want the ashes back, so it's a communal cremation), or be present for it (OPE). Most OPEs also involve private cremations. Yes, there's an extra fee to be present, and there's a fee for the private cremation. | > Is it true that when you have your cat cremated and the ashes returned to | > you, it's really mixed with the ashes of a whole bunch of other pets? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | also involve private cremations. Yes, there's an extra fee to be present, | and there's a fee for the private cremation. Very useful information, thanks. Carola |
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