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Declawers: Look what YOU do to your cats!
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Electric Nachos - 16 Oct 2004 20:05 GMT http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html
Aren't you the cat lover, you!
Amy Gray - 16 Oct 2004 23:45 GMT >http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html > >Aren't you the cat lover, you! Be forewarned, the server is extremely slow.
Hans Schr?der - 17 Oct 2004 02:51 GMT > http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html > > Aren't you the cat lover, you! I'm so glad that this kind of surgery is prohibited in Norway, where I live. Poor cat... I trim the claws on my cats on a regular basis, and I think they like it, but declawing.. What a never ending torture for the cat! When furniture becomes more important than the cat's health... Need I say more?
Hans
M.C. Mullen - 17 Oct 2004 15:57 GMT | > http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html | > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | Hans Once you have children you can forget about furniture anyway! I don't see _any_ reason to declaw a cat at all! But I must say that my cats have never done much damage. The dog pees in occasionally, but then that's another story. And once the Shetland pony entered the house and left its marks on dried flowers, the bread bin and the fruit bowl ... true, :-)
Carola
B. Peg - 19 Oct 2004 14:11 GMT > I don't see _any_ reason to declaw a cat at all! I thought the same until I saw the vet bills from a friend's cat who single-handedly injured every animal she had. She said she'd never do such a thing but realized that one cat would soon maim every other cat, dog, and barnyard fowl she had. She tried to clip it and attempted the glue-ons but her resultant injuries and fighting with it to do the same were too much for her. She almost had it put down before she had it declawed at age two (terrible twos???)
She had it done for $75 and now it is the nicest cat she owns out of several. It mellowed her out and now she gets along fine with the other animals. Chickens no longer flee to the trees and higher perches in the coop when it appears (they seemed to know which was the *nasty* cat of the lot). It still "thinks" it has claws and scratches the carpet, furniture, and scratch pads but no damage is done and it doesn't act maimed at all and still goes over the fences like it used too. The cat did manage to put on some extra weight for whatever reason - maybe less fighting.
B~
GW - 18 Oct 2004 14:32 GMT Scary :(
> http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html > > Aren't you the cat lover, you! Adreeanna - 20 Oct 2004 22:00 GMT I have never advocated de-clawing as a front line treatment...but there are sometimes exceptions that make it a necessity. Out of all the cats I have owned over the years...only 2 had to be de-clawed. One because it was an extremely agressive cat. It had been returned repeatedly to shelters..so we were kind of a last chance before it was to be "put down." The other one was for property protection...was the only cat that could not be trained or encouraged at the time, to use its scratching post...tried for the better part of 2 years... Both cats could still climb, lived long lives...no ill effects at all. Personally I don't find de-clawing as the evil that some portray it to be. I just like to know that a cat owner tries all other avenues before resorting to declaw. adreeanna
> http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html > > Aren't you the cat lover, you! bonbon - 21 Oct 2004 04:13 GMT >I have never advocated de-clawing as a front line treatment...but there are >sometimes exceptions that make it a necessity. Out of all the cats I have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >resorting to declaw. >adreeanna Are you here in this ng trying to get someone to tell you that you did the right thing? Because I don't see that happening.
You know, making a scratching post that is desirable to a cat isn't rocket science.
-bonbon
Sara - 21 Oct 2004 18:17 GMT I don't see it as evil, but I don't do it. There are some people who don't like the fact that their cat "misuse" their claws. I am not saying it is right but I am not saying it is wrong either. My aunt had a huge cat, the owners that had his mother and father that somewhere there was a bobcat mixed in the father's side of the family tree, so when she got him he was declawed and that was a good thing because that cat got to the size of a small medium dog. I once saw the cat swat at my aunt and I was glad he didn't have claws or else that would have been an expensive medical bill for the stitches. So I don't get my declawed but I also think at the same time some people do need to get their cats declawed. It depends on the circumstance. I neither agree with declawing or disagree. Sara
> >I have never advocated de-clawing as a front line treatment...but there are > >sometimes exceptions that make it a necessity. Out of all the cats I have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -bonbon Arjun Ray - 24 Oct 2004 09:14 GMT > [...] but I also think at the same time some people do need to > get their cats declawed. Nonsense. Some people simply shouldn't keep cats.
Luvskats00 - 22 Oct 2004 05:04 GMT bonbon not@taking.replies writes
"Adreeanna" wrote:
>"I have never advocated >de-clawing as a front line >treatment...but there are >sometimes exceptions that make >it a necessity.....I just like to know >that a cat owner tries all other >avenues before resorting to >declaw.
>>Are you here in this ng trying to >>get someone to tell you that you >>did the right thing? Because I >>don't see that happening.
Well...open your eyes, bub. I support the position that one tries other avenues, but, if it's a choice between bringing cat back to shelter and gambling on whether the cat 1) lives and 2) gets adopted or to declaw the cat, I'd support the declaw. Only then.
bonbon - 24 Oct 2004 01:55 GMT >bonbon not@taking.replies >writes [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >gambling on whether the cat 1) lives and 2) gets adopted or to declaw the cat, >I'd support the declaw. Only then. Um..........it's bon, not bub, and I see quite clearly.
-bonbon
Bleep - 24 Oct 2004 06:59 GMT >>bonbon not@taking.replies >>writes [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -bonbon I didn't declaw any of my cats once I got them, but my wife and I are willing to deal with a bit of shredding here and there - I had to put decorative obstacles at the corners of the sofa to prevent further destruction. We DID adopt a red-cream Persian (see the "Vladdie.jpg" attachment from one of my e-mails a few hours ago) who was already declawed. The declawing itself didn't really bother me - it was the fact that the previous owner either let it escape outside or abandoned it there. What a great way to kill a cat - take its claws and then let it get loose to either starve or get torn to bits by a dog, coyote, etc.
Adreeanna - 26 Oct 2004 10:34 GMT No actually, I am not. Thought this was an open forum for views, sharing, ideas, and opinions....As for scratching posts being rocket science..well i think you are just being silly now. There are currently three different material clawing posts and "trees" in our home to cater to the cats. There is the rare one that won't use any type for whatever reason. That you do not condone de-clawing is fine. Neither do I as a front line... Sorry we don't agree Adreeanna
> Are you here in this ng trying to get someone to tell you that you did > the right thing? Because I don't see that happening. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -bonbon ceb2 - 28 Oct 2004 20:32 GMT > No actually, I am not. Thought this was an open forum for views, sharing, > ideas, and opinions....As for scratching posts being rocket science..well i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sorry we don't agree > Adreeanna Your surprise Adreeana, I thought it was for sharing views as in an open forum as well. This forum is clearly only for those opposed to declawing. I made the mistake of having my cats declawed and coming here for advice, what to expect post-op and so forth. I was rewarded with contempt, insults, and threats. Even when I start or contribute to topics having nothing to do with declawing, the 'regulars' (and you know who you are) have gone off topic to call me sickening and nauseating and in the same breath suggest my punishment for declawing my cats should be that I be murdered, my wife be raped and murdered, and my daughters (ages twelve and eighteen) be tortured, raped, murdered, decapitated, and then have their corpses sexually deviated.
> > Are you here in this ng trying to get someone to tell you that you did > > the right thing? Because I don't see that happening. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > -bonbon bonbon - 29 Oct 2004 16:19 GMT >> No actually, I am not. Thought this was an open forum for views, sharing, >> ideas, and opinions....As for scratching posts being rocket science..well i [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Your surprise Adreeana, I thought it was for sharing views It is. We gave you our views.
>s in an >open forum as well. This forum is clearly only for those opposed to >declawing. I made the mistake of having my cats declawed and coming >here for advice, BEFORE you made the decision to physically rearrange your cat(s) for YOUR convenience, perhaps you should have visited us, or any number of web sites where you can learn the truth and horrors of declawing cats.
I personally did not attack you, and I do not condone rape, decapitation, murder, torture, or sexual deviation of any living creature.
What is it that you're trying to find here in this ng? Someone to agree with you about declawing so you can in some strange way justify and feel better about mutilating your cat? If you find that person, how about going and making your own ng. Don't expect too many subscribers though.
You are always going to receive a ration of sh.t from true cat lovers about declawing. That will never change. If you don't like it, quit coming here.
-bonbon
>hat to expect post-op and so forth. I was rewarded >with contempt, insults, and threats. Even when I start or contribute [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > >> > -bonbon Luvskats00 - 29 Oct 2004 20:43 GMT bonbon not@taking.replies writes
>We gave you our views. No...you gave your views. Others gave their views. Some paralleled yours and others did not. Some people in the group that agrees with you have posted more than their opinion, they posted their wish for harm for the other person...their inaccurate diagnosis that the persons(disagreeing with them) are criminal, mentally ill..and more. That makes this group that posts such nonsense zealots and mentally unbalanced themselves. The hate thats spewed in the responses indicate this.
ceb2 - 30 Oct 2004 13:26 GMT > >> No actually, I am not. Thought this was an open forum for views, sharing, > >> ideas, and opinions....As for scratching posts being rocket science..well i [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > What is it that you're trying to find here in this ng? I expect to converse about cats, nothing more, nothing less.
>Someone to > agree with you about declawing so you can in some strange way justify [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >> > > >> > -bonbon Adreeanna - 31 Oct 2004 21:05 GMT The ages old arguement of declawing is pointless. You don't agree with it..I do. Ohhh well. Adreeanna
> > >> No actually, I am not. Thought this was an open forum for views, sharing, > > >> ideas, and opinions....As for scratching posts being rocket science..well i [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > >> > > > >> > -bonbon Hans Schr?der - 26 Oct 2004 03:33 GMT 'property protection'!
You just go (the f-word) yourself!!!
Hans
Adreeanna - 26 Oct 2004 10:45 GMT You don't do any favours by being a foolish fanatic. You know...all this nonsense about arguing to de-claw or not declaw, is exactly that! Foolish. There are people in this world that own, care for, and love their cats, but that also want a nicely decorated home. For that I am grateful. I would rather see a cat de-clawed even to protect the furniture...rather than being put down, or tossed out because it won't stop clawing. Our shelters are full to overflowing...they are being euthanized by the hundreds...Adopt them out, at whatever it takes...I am sure that were the cat able to choose death of life with no claws in a loving protected home..he would choose life. If an owner has tried ALL he/she knows to try, and they are satisfied that they have..then by all means, before you consign that poor animal to euthanasia or death from the environment...Then don't feel guilty to declaw. That is MY opinion. I will say no more on the subject, for it as we all know...is a no win arguement. Adreeanna
> 'property protection'! > > You just go (the f-word) yourself!!! > > Hans M.C. Mullen - 26 Oct 2004 18:07 GMT | You don't do any favours by being a foolish fanatic. | You know...all this nonsense about arguing to de-claw or not declaw, is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | know...is a no win arguement. | Adreeanna Erm, yes .. but it's only an option because it's allowed in your country. If it wasn't it would work out for furniture *and* cat too.
Carola
Sara - 27 Oct 2004 22:00 GMT I agree with Adreeanna because it may and has not in the past been a win win for the furniture and cat. Sometimes there is no happy in between. Sara
> | You don't do any favours by being a foolish fanatic. > | You know...all this nonsense about arguing to de-claw or not declaw, is [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Carola Hilly - 28 Oct 2004 06:31 GMT > You don't do any favours by being a foolish fanatic. Neither do you.
> You know...all this nonsense about arguing to de-claw > or not declaw, is exactly that! Foolish. In the world today, there is foolishness piled on top of foolishness.
Imagine cutting off all of your fingertips at the last knuckle. That is EXACTLY what is done to a cat who is declawed.
How wonderful for someone to take a cat (or cats) into their homes, make a lifelong promise to care for and provide for them... and then have all their little kitty fingers chopped-off.
What a nice way to say how much you love your cat(s).
 Signature Hilly.
Ambrose, Joseph - 29 Oct 2004 04:15 GMT > > You don't do any favours by being a foolish fanatic. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What a nice way to say how much you love your cat(s). To tell you the truth, We were going to de-claw our 2 kittens, BUT.... we learned how easy it is to trim the claws. Since they're still young, (almost 7 months) they've adapted and no longer struggle when my wife trims them.
Hans Schr?der - 29 Oct 2004 04:26 GMT "Ambrose, Joseph" <jambrose@optonline.net> wrote in message news:fBigd.7542> To tell you the truth, We were going to de-claw our 2 kittens, BUT.... we
> learned how easy > it is to trim the claws. Since they're still young, (almost 7 months) > they've adapted and no longer > struggle when my wife trims them. That's the way to do it, it has always worked for my cats.
Hans
~^Johnny^~ - 28 Oct 2004 08:49 GMT >There are people in this world that own, care for, >and love their cats, but that also want a nicely decorated home. For that I >am grateful. I would rather see a cat de-clawed even to protect the >furniture...rather than being put down, How about adopted?
I agree, in extreme cases, declawing might even be justified, but this in NOT the norm.
Choose your pets carefully. Choose your rut carefully. Don't complain when you are stuck in your own rut.
Now go home, troll.
 Signature -john wide-open at throttle dot info
oldestuff - 02 Nov 2004 04:59 GMT > You don't do any favours by being a foolish fanatic. > You know...all this nonsense about arguing to de-claw or not declaw, is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > know...is a no win arguement. > Adreeanna Gee, funny thing is my cats own me. All four have their claws and at least one scratching post in every room. This is, after all, their home too. Foolish? Nonsense? I'd sooner cut off my own fingers and toes before I would declaw my cats.
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