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Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 10:32 GMT
My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
the kittens! He cleans them, plays with them, and sleeps with them!

Mother cat is walking around wondering what the hell happened too!

Should I stop this?!? He's taking over the show here...

This aint' right.
Cat Net - 14 Oct 2004 10:45 GMT
> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
> cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
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>
> This aint' right.

It is not unusual for another male cat to seemingly *adopt* a family of
kittens; and I have witnessed male cats picking them up and moving them from
place to place for safety's sake.

And neither is it unusual for other female cats to also take part in
grooming and looking after a litter of kittens.  Cats are not pack animals
as are dogs, but often when a lactating female is moving her kittens from
place to place one at a time, another female may watch over them until they
are all located together in one place.

I suggest you not get involved unless he actually starts nursing them.  Then
get a camera, quick.

--Catcatcher
Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 17:38 GMT
>> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my
>male
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>I suggest you not get involved unless he actually starts nursing them.  Then
>get a camera, quick.

Hee hee! Now that WOULD be weird!

>--Catcatcher
Lee Waun - 14 Oct 2004 18:15 GMT
>>> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my
>>male
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>
> Hee hee! Now that WOULD be weird!

I got my maine coon when she was 8 weeks old and my male siamese cat was
like a father to her. She run up to him and try to nurse off him and he
would grab her and then groom and bathe her from head to toe. She would be
like a little wet ball. I do have pics of that because it was so cute. He
was a very good daddy to her.
Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 18:47 GMT
Lee Waun wrote in message ...

>I got my maine coon when she was 8 weeks old and my male siamese cat was
>like a father to her. She run up to him and try to nurse off him and he
>would grab her and then groom and bathe her from head to toe. She would be
>like a little wet ball. I do have pics of that because it was so cute. He
>was a very good daddy to her.

Wow - another species?? This is just fascinating!!

Animals baffle me. You think you gottem' all figured out and then they turn
around and do something like this! LoL
S.M. Serba - 14 Oct 2004 19:09 GMT
Not another species! They are both domestic cats (felis domestica). Just
different breeds...

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> Lee Waun wrote in message ...
>
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> Animals baffle me. You think you gottem' all figured out and then they turn
> around and do something like this! LoL
Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 19:25 GMT
Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.

S.M. Serba wrote in message ...
>Not another species! They are both domestic cats (felis domestica). Just
>different breeds...
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>turn
>> around and do something like this! LoL
Priscilla H Ballou - 14 Oct 2004 19:32 GMT
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Electric Nachos <aint_lookin@chew.foo> wrote:
>Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.

It does happen inter-species, too, though.  Just probably not as often.  
There's a woman on the binaries.animals group who rehabs baby squirrels.  
Her cat, Mimi, nursed a little of squirrels.  I also used to have a
article on my fridge about a chihuahua who nursed a..  a... oh, rats!  
I've forgotten what kind of animal it was.  A kitten?  A chipmunk?  Not a
dog.

Priscilla
Karen Chuplis - 15 Oct 2004 00:32 GMT
> In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Electric Nachos <aint_lookin@chew.foo> wrote:
>> Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.
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>
> Priscilla

Yes, we had a dog that loved to mother the kittens. Momma cat was right
happy to have a babysitter cuddle and clean them so she could rest. When we
took the dog to be spayed, the nurse said "Oh, she'll never be a mommy" and
my mother said, "She raised kittens so she's been enough of a mommy."
cdchap911 - 15 Oct 2004 00:35 GMT
would somebody throw this guy a troll biscuit so we can have some sensible
conversations
> In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Electric Nachos <aint_lookin@chew.foo>
> wrote:
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>
> Priscilla
bonbon - 15 Oct 2004 13:52 GMT
>In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Electric Nachos <aint_lookin@chew.foo> wrote:
>>Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Priscilla

I saw on the news once a momma cat nursing a baby deer that had been
orphaned.

-bonbon
Lee Waun - 15 Oct 2004 06:28 GMT
> Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.

Nope just a Maine Coon.
M.C. Mullen - 15 Oct 2004 23:19 GMT
| > Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.
|
| Nope just a Maine Coon.

I read today that Maine Coons got their names because their tails look like
the ones of racoons.
Is it true? Everybody please examine their cats' tails please ... :-)

Carola
mlbriggs - 16 Oct 2004 01:35 GMT
> | > Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.
> |
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>
> Carola

I've noticed that tabbies have racoon tails.  MLB
Cathy Friedmann - 16 Oct 2004 02:01 GMT
> > | > Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.
> > |
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>
> I've noticed that tabbies have racoon tails.  MLB

Yeah, but Maine Coons' tails are *bushy* like a raccoons.

Cathy
Luvskats00 - 16 Oct 2004 13:28 GMT
My Sammy has a racoon tail, and, like all tabbies, has M's over his eyebrows
'cause he's MARVELOUS.
Lee Waun - 16 Oct 2004 05:08 GMT
> | > Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.
> |
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>
> Carola

Nope there tail is not at all like a racoon. They have a feather plume tail.
Some also call it bottle washer tail. It has very long hair about 3 to 4
inches flowing from the centre out on each side and it hangs down. So when
she rests her tail on the floor it is 5 or more inches of fur from side to
side. It is very elegant to look at. Also there are no stripes on my coons
tail. It is greyish with a black stripe the whole length of the tail. The
fur on the underside of the tail is a yellow colour.

Check out this URL and you will see a pic of a maine coon with his tail in
the air. That is a maine coon tail like mine has. See why it is called a
feather plume tail. By the way the fur is just like angel hair it is so
fine. I just love stroking it but my Maine coon never wants anyone touching
her tail. She guards her tail constantly.  Sob....

http://www.coonyham.com/males.html
mlbriggs - 16 Oct 2004 06:06 GMT
>> | > Oh! LoL, I thought you were talking about a RacCoon.
>> |
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>
> http://www.coonyham.com/males.html

They are all gorgeous.   MLB
Seanette Blaylock - 16 Oct 2004 17:18 GMT
"Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: I'll be damned!:

>Check out this URL and you will see a pic of a maine coon with his tail in
>the air. That is a maine coon tail like mine has. See why it is called a
>feather plume tail. By the way the fur is just like angel hair it is so
>fine. I just love stroking it but my Maine coon never wants anyone touching
>her tail. She guards her tail constantly.  Sob....

My part-MC [well, we think he is, anyway] doesn't like having his tail
handled either.

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Paul O. - 16 Oct 2004 17:34 GMT
> "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: I'll be damned!:
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> My part-MC [well, we think he is, anyway] doesn't like having his tail
> handled either.

My Maine Coon loves to have his tail stroked, he turns his back on me so
that I will, but then I started doing that when he was very young. A tail
like that just begs for it. Course he like any time your touching him,
attention you know.
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Sylvia M. - 16 Oct 2004 19:31 GMT
> >Check out this URL and you will see a pic of a maine coon with his tail in
> >the air. That is a maine coon tail like mine has. See why it is called a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> My part-MC [well, we think he is, anyway] doesn't like having his tail
> handled either.

My MC likes to be stroked head to tail tip in one movement,
also just the tail and scratichig the base of the tail gets it moving.
Now she hates her paws to be handled, much less her nails trimmed!
Lee Waun - 17 Oct 2004 02:58 GMT
>> >Check out this URL and you will see a pic of a maine coon with his
> tail in
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> also just the tail and scratichig the base of the tail gets it moving.
> Now she hates her paws to be handled, much less her nails trimmed!

My MC loves to be brushed. She will throw a tantrum if she isn't brushed but
I just don't touch the tail. However just like yours she won't allow me to
touch her paws or her claws. I have never yet tried trimming her claws as
she would just be too upset. Anyways she is a very good girl and uses her
scratching posts. She gets high praise whenever she uses her posts so she
loves to show everyone how well she can use the posts.
Seanette Blaylock - 17 Oct 2004 10:29 GMT
"Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: I'll be damned!:

>My MC loves to be brushed. She will throw a tantrum if she isn't brushed but
>I just don't touch the tail. However just like yours she won't allow me to
>touch her paws or her claws. I have never yet tried trimming her claws as
>she would just be too upset. Anyways she is a very good girl and uses her
>scratching posts. She gets high praise whenever she uses her posts so she
>loves to show everyone how well she can use the posts.

Felix loves being brushed too. Just show him his brush and he comes
running, with the purrs on high.

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SooZy - 17 Oct 2004 10:34 GMT
> "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: I'll be damned!:
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> Felix loves being brushed too. Just show him his brush and he comes
> running, with the purrs on high.

all mine love being brushed two, but they also love sleeping in their pet
carriers
Lee Waun - 17 Oct 2004 18:30 GMT
>> "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
>> about Re: I'll be damned!:
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> all mine love being brushed two, but they also love sleeping in their pet
> carriers

That is different.
SooZy - 17 Oct 2004 18:31 GMT
>>> "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
>>> about Re: I'll be damned!:
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>>
> That is different.

yes have pics to prove it LOL they climb in and fall asleep, I can even put
the doors on to take them out and they still don't mind :-)
Lee Waun - 18 Oct 2004 18:10 GMT
>>>> "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
>>>> about Re: I'll be damned!:
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> yes have pics to prove it LOL they climb in and fall asleep, I can even
> put the doors on to take them out and they still don't mind :-)
Putting my cats in their carrier is like threading a cat threw the eye of a
needle etc. Not at all fun.
Diana - 18 Oct 2004 16:06 GMT
Lee Waun at leewaun@telus.net wrote on10/18/04 5:10 PM:

> Putting my cats in their carrier is like threading a cat threw the eye of a
> needle etc. Not at all fun.

This is the best description I've heard, Lee!  Mine, too!  Although they
(well, now there's only one, so I should say she) will go into the carrier
for naps -- just never when it's my idea.

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Lee Waun - 17 Oct 2004 18:30 GMT
> "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: I'll be damned!:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Felix loves being brushed too. Just show him his brush and he comes
> running, with the purrs on high.

Yup Mia will start yiping at me when she sees her brush brought out.
Lee Waun - 17 Oct 2004 02:55 GMT
> "Lee Waun" <leewaun@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: I'll be damned!:
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> My part-MC [well, we think he is, anyway] doesn't like having his tail
> handled either.

Yes they are quite fussy about them aren't they.
Paul O. - 17 Oct 2004 03:27 GMT
>> I read today that Maine Coons got their names because their tails look
>> like
>> the ones of racoons.
>> Is it true? Everybody please examine their cats' tails please ... :-)
>>
>> Carola

> Check out this URL and you will see a pic of a maine coon with his tail in
> the air.
> http://www.coonyham.com/males.html
>Yup, that's the tail that begs to be stroked. Ours loves it, likes to have
>his feet and legs 'massaged', and really likes a good brushing. This cat
>just likes being touched and getting attention.

Paul O.
Absolutely clueless when it comes to cats
Learning more every day, but still clueless
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Wendy - 14 Oct 2004 10:48 GMT
> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
> cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> This aint' right.

I'm sure mom's loving it. As long as the uncle isn't hurting the kittens let
him give mom a break. You are going to get mom spayed after the kittens are
weaned - right?

W
Cat Net - 14 Oct 2004 10:57 GMT
> > My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my
> male
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>
> W

And the kittens fixed too, I hope.  And while you're at it, get Papa and
Uncle Tom done as well.  It will cut way down on the littering.

--Catcatcher
Mary - 14 Oct 2004 15:53 GMT
> > > My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my
> > male
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> And the kittens fixed too, I hope.  And while you're at it, get Papa and
> Uncle Tom done as well.  It will cut way down on the littering.

Maybe he could get a discount for having the bunch of them done.
Hans Schr?der - 14 Oct 2004 12:51 GMT
> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
> cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> This aint' right.

Oh, yes, it is right. I have observed the same thing several times, and it
is only natural.

The prescence of a male cat is, in fact, important to the kittens. It helps
them getting socialized better, and the male cat tends to play with the
kittens a little bit rougher than the mother. And, I assure you, they love
it. In a few weeks you will see him throwing them around on the floor, and
they keep coming back for more.

The mother needs some rest from the kittens from time to time, and she is
happy that another cat that she trusts, is taking care of the kittens. And
she will tell him off if he is doing anything she doesn't like!

You are lucky having him there, and I wish all the best for you and your
cats. What you are describing is a cat home in peace and harmony.

Hans
Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 17:41 GMT
Hans Schr?der wrote in message ...
>> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my
>male
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>You are lucky having him there, and I wish all the best for you and your
>cats. What you are describing is a cat home in peace and harmony.

Well, I'm glad to hear that it's normal. He has implemented his own type of
"Shock and Awe" in our home. Thank you.

>Hans
Ted Davis - 14 Oct 2004 13:56 GMT
>My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
>cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>This aint' right.

It is right: from the point of view of his genes, a sister's kittens
are the next best thing to direct descendents - helping the kittens
survive is helping some of his own genes survive.  Completely
unreleated kittens would be another matter, but the behavior pattern
that favors relatives may not be that restrictive.

T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
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Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 17:41 GMT
Ted Davis wrote in message ...

>>My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
>>cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>unreleated kittens would be another matter, but the behavior pattern
>that favors relatives may not be that restrictive.

Fascinating!

>T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
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Priscilla H Ballou - 14 Oct 2004 18:01 GMT
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Electric Nachos <aint_lookin@chew.foo> wrote:
>My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
>cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
>the kittens! He cleans them, plays with them, and sleeps with them!
>Mother cat is walking around wondering what the hell happened too!
>Should I stop this?!? He's taking over the show here...
>This aint' right.

Don't mess with success.  It takes a village.  And so on.  He's being a
very Good Boy.

Priscilla
ChildFree23 - 14 Oct 2004 19:06 GMT
Why wasn't she spayed, and the father neutered, when you
brought them home?

D.
Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 19:37 GMT
Who are you talking to??

ChildFree23 wrote in message ...
>Why wasn't she spayed, and the father neutered, when you
>brought them home?
>
>D.
Mary - 14 Oct 2004 19:50 GMT
> Who are you talking to??
>
> ChildFree23 wrote in message ...
> >Why wasn't she spayed, and the father neutered, when you
> >brought them home?

She's talking to YOU. I know because I can read minds. ;)
Priscilla H Ballou - 14 Oct 2004 20:05 GMT
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Electric Nachos <aint_lookin@chew.foo> wrote:
>Who are you talking to??

Presumably the OP.

Priscilla
Rrb - 14 Oct 2004 21:16 GMT
> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
> cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> This aint' right.

Is the mother still able to nurse the kittens? If so it's not a problem.
 But if not then it's needs to stop. But I still feel that the male cat
should be kept out most of the time.
Electric Nachos - 14 Oct 2004 21:35 GMT
Rrb wrote in message ...
>> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my male
>> cat (not the father - but the litter's uncle) has climbed in the box with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>Is the mother still able to nurse the kittens?

Yes, momma is fulfilling her natural and God given responsibility to NURISH
LIFE on this planet. We are so proud and HONORED to be witnesses to this
fact.

>If so it's not a problem.
>  But if not then it's needs to stop. But I still feel that the male cat
>should be kept out most of the time.

Actually, we are beginning to be impressed with Uncle - Perhaps it is my own
mother tendencies to be over-protective of the kittens - and maybe we are
not being fair by giving him the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see
the relationship among Uncle and his nephews/nieces develop as nature
dictates. It's fascinating.

Thanks
Mary - 14 Oct 2004 23:31 GMT
> Rrb wrote in message ...
> >> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Thanks

I wish your mother had eaten her young.
Electric Nachos - 15 Oct 2004 01:22 GMT
Mary wrote in message ...

>I wish your mother had eaten her young.

Brilliant response.

<PLONK
Mary - 15 Oct 2004 01:37 GMT
> Mary wrote in message ...
>
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>
> <PLONK>

I can't help how I FEEL!

lol!

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Hans Schr?der - 15 Oct 2004 01:14 GMT
> Actually, we are beginning to be impressed with Uncle - Perhaps it is my own
> mother tendencies to be over-protective of the kittens - and maybe we are
> not being fair by giving him the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see
> the relationship among Uncle and his nephews/nieces develop as nature
> dictates. It's fascinating.

You know, when the kittens reach the age of 12 weeks, their mother is tired
of them, and wants them out of the house. The uncle will not get tired of
them in the same way, he has got himself a bunch of "buddies", but it's best
for the kittens if you can manage to get new homes for them by that time.
But NOT before they are 12 weeks old.

Hans
Electric Nachos - 15 Oct 2004 01:32 GMT
Hans Schr?der wrote in message ...

>> Actually, we are beginning to be impressed with Uncle - Perhaps it is my
>own
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>for the kittens if you can manage to get new homes for them by that time.
>But NOT before they are 12 weeks old.

They've already been named and claimed - but we would never give them away
before 12 weeks. It will be sad to see them go. They're so cute!

>Hans
SooZy - 15 Oct 2004 17:42 GMT
> My female cat birthed a litter about 4 weeks ago and to my surprise, my
> male
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> This aint' right.

Our cat Moshi was the same with the litter we had last year, he used to
snuggle up to them, wash them and as they grew older play with them, then
when they were about 6 weeks got a bit rough with one, I ran over to them
and he let go and moved off...  the kitten just lay there,  I picked it up
by it was limp I thought it was dead, however it suddenly moved and carried
on as if nothing had happened.

It frightened me so much,  after that I never left him alone with them as he
tried also pounced on them.  He is a big Ragdoll cat!

He was just getting to heavy pawed for them :-)

SooZy
 
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