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gallen@NOSPAM.com - 12 Oct 2004 06:00 GMT
I had 2 male barn cats die last winter.  One just dropped dead.  The
other was acting sick, I brought him indoors and gave antibiotics.  He
mostly had the "runs".  He recovered, but in early spring I noticed he
was weak, and had lost much weight.  Since it was warmer outdoors, I
put him in a shed and gave more antibiotics.  He was not getting
better so I was going to take him to the vet.  When I went to the shed
he was dead.

Well, I just loat another male cat Saturday.  A week ago he was fine.
About Wed. he was dragging around and had lost some weight.  On Thurs.
I placed him in a shed so he could eat alone because I have about a
dozen barn cats.  He ate well, and I let him back outside.  Friday he
looked worse, extremely skinny, sunken in eyes, and lethargic.  I
called the vet and they told me to get him on antibiotics over the
weekend, and if he is not better on Monday, bring him in.  I went to
give him the antibiotics, but could not find him.  Saturday morning I
found him laying on the lawn and having muscle spasms, twitching all
over.  I offerred food, he ate about 2 pieces of dry food and stopped.
I took a syringe and offerred some water, then gator aid.  It just ran
out of his mouth, and by this time he seemed to now have any idea what
was going on around him.  I placed him in a cage with some canned cat
food.  He was laid on his side and I could see he had no idea
whatsoever what was going on around him.  He took no interest to the
food at all.  Yet, his legs kept moving like he was walking.  I tried
to call the vet, but around here, there are no vets available, except
for livestock. (very rural area).  I decided to take him to the
nearest big city to find a vet (nearly 2 hours away).  I got ready to
leave, when I noticed he was getting stiff in the cage.  Just barely
breathing, and no response in his eyes when I waved my hand near his
face.  

This is when I knew there was no hope for him.  To avoid any further
pain, I euthanized him myself with my rifle.  (One of the hardest
things I have ever had to do).  

I hate posting all these horrible details, but I am trying to find out
what happened to him.  I originally suspected a disease, even though
the other cats are all fine.  I now wonder if he may have gotten
poisoned.  I have no poisons around here, except mouse poison in the
garage which is well hidden where no cat can get to it, and the garage
is kept closed too.  I have no stored or leaking antifreeze.
Hopwever, being a tom, I did see him up the driveway a few times, but
have never noticed him actually leave the farm.  Of course, one never
knows exactly where these cats wander off to.  

One thing I did notice is that there was a swarm of flies in one of my
sheds, and I sprayed fly spray, leaving thousands of dead flies on the
floor.  I did find a few cats in there eating those dead flies, but
those cats are still OK.  That shed door was left open, so the one
that died could have eaten some too.

One last think I want to mention is that ALL three of these cats were
toms, but one of the cats that died during the winter was kept inside
a shed, (with other cats), and not allowed to go outdoors.  I always
keep a few cats indoors that are not careful around moving vehicles,
and he was one of them.  THAT cat never left that shed.

Anyone have any idea what may have caused this?

Thanks

G.A
Mary - 12 Oct 2004 06:37 GMT
>I have no poisons around here, except mouse poison in the
>garage which is well hidden where no cat can get to it, and the garage
>is kept closed too.  I have no stored or leaking antifreeze.

Those symptoms are not the symptoms of rat poison. I've seen a lot of that.
With rat poison they get skinny, lethargic, bleed from nose, mouse, eyes, anus,
urethra. Their skin itches and they scratch it bloody, no neurological
symptoms. With antifreeze they get frothy at the mouth usually, diarrhea. If
you haven't buried him yet, save the body. Take it to the vet for a $75
necropsy or mail it overnight on ice. Whatever it is could affect your other
cats so you need to know. What color was diarrhea? Any vomiting? Maybe the cats
were ill from say feline leukemia then contracted west nile virus in their
weakened condition. I'm getting in lots of squirrels with some paralysis,
diarrhea, lethargy, dehydration, neurological symptoms. Cats cat get WNV if
weakened. I have to tube the squirrels with food, fluid, antibiotics, pepto and
benebac and I still lose some. They can't or won't eat. I'm sorry you had to
euth your cat. I had to do it once. It was the worst experience of my life. All
vets were closed, kitten was clearly dying, maybe it was suffering. I'll keep
you in my prayers.
gallen@NOSPAM.com - 12 Oct 2004 10:55 GMT
>>I have no poisons around here, except mouse poison in the
>>garage which is well hidden where no cat can get to it, and the garage
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>vets were closed, kitten was clearly dying, maybe it was suffering. I'll keep
>you in my prayers.

Thanks for you advice and words.  Unfortunately I already buried him.
I did not want anything contagious left around for other cats or
animals, and I shot him in the hole to prevent spreading blood and
stuff.  My rifle is really too powerful for a small cat.  This was the
best way I could figure to do this horrible task, without causing more
problems.  From what you describe, it is not rat poison or antifreeze.
However, there are farms around here that have agricultural chemicals.
I do not have anything like that around here other than the well
hidden mouse poison in the garage, and the garage is kept shut anyhow.
Even if a cat did get in there, they could not get to the poison where
I have it.  There was no vomiting that I noticed, I did not see any
diarreah or poop at all.  By the time I got the cat in the cage,
nothing was working anymore.  I do know quite a lot about livestock
veterinary, so I did check what I could.  If anything, he appeared
dehydrated, but I could not get him to drink any longer, not even
using a syringe.  Someone else suggested Feline Leukemia.  I am trying
to match the symptoms.  The websites I have looked at do not really
give the details explaining the details of death, and the earlier
symptoms seem to match many things.  I will probably give all the cats
the vaccine for Leukemia and just contacted my livestock medicine
supplier, which also has small animal meds.

Thanks

G.A
Sherry - 12 Oct 2004 07:08 GMT
>I tried
>to call the vet, but around here, there are no vets available, except
>for livestock. (very rural area).  I decided to take him to the
>nearest big city to find a vet (nearly 2 hours away).  I got ready to
>leave, when I noticed he was getting stiff in the cage.  

We had a cat die unexpectedly, and died just as we were headed out the door for
the vet's. We went ahead and took him so the vet could do a necropsy. It's
really the only way to know for sure what the cat died from, and in turn, what
the others may be at risk of. The basic necropsy cost $45, with some extra fees
for specific bloodwork. It's the only way to know for sure.
gallen@NOSPAM.com - 12 Oct 2004 10:58 GMT
>>I tried
>>to call the vet, but around here, there are no vets available, except
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>the others may be at risk of. The basic necropsy cost $45, with some extra fees
>for specific bloodwork. It's the only way to know for sure.

I agree, but because I shot him, there was little left to test under
the circumstances.  Why do these things always happen on weekends?

Thanks

G.A
Rrb - 12 Oct 2004 20:41 GMT
> Well, I just loat another male cat Saturday.  A week ago he was fine.
> About Wed. he was dragging around and had lost some weight.  On Thurs.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> breathing, and no response in his eyes when I waved my hand near his
> face.  

It sounds like poisoning, or some disease. Without testing there is no
way to know. It sounds like he suffered some type of seizure, and was
suffering from Delirium near the end. All that I can suggest is if this
 starts to happen again with another cat get them to the vet immediately.
gallen@NOSPAM.com - 13 Oct 2004 03:00 GMT
>> Well, I just loat another male cat Saturday.  A week ago he was fine.
>> About Wed. he was dragging around and had lost some weight.  On Thurs.
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>suffering from Delirium near the end. All that I can suggest is if this
>  starts to happen again with another cat get them to the vet immediately.

I agree with all you said.  In many ways I hope it was poisoning,
because there is less chance of others getting to it, than a disease.
Either way, it gets me real stressed now knowing.  I wish I could
fence in my whole farm so the cats could not leave.  But that is
impossible.

Thanks
zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Oct 2004 04:27 GMT
One note: Just because you hide the mouse poison doesn't stop the cats
from catching and eating mice that have already ingested it but have not
yet died.

Megan

                                   
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Sunflower - 13 Oct 2004 17:59 GMT
What type of vaccines do you administer to your cats?  Do you give the full
recommended set of boosters to the kittens or just a single combo shot? Have
you ever had any of your cats tested for feline leukemia or feline aids?  Do
you vaccinate for feline leukemia?

The situation you are describing sounds to me like your cats have an auto
immune disease running through the colony and the animals are dying of a
secondary opportunistic infection that the more healthy members manage to
shake off.  I would take one or two of the toms to your vet and have him
tested for both feline aids and leukemeia.  Toms are more likely to be
infected with either simply because of their fighting tendancies.
 
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