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Marie - 06 Oct 2004 07:22 GMT
Her tail is sooo furry but the rest of her isn't. I call her fuzzy
butt sometimes. She's adorable! Runs through the house with her fat
furry tail stuck in the air.

OK. She is about 6 months old. About two weeks ago she went in heat.
She seemed to come out of it after a few days and now she's in heat
again. I have been told she will do this until she is pregnant, or
fixed. Is this so? They aren't like dogs, and go in heat every once in
awhile and then stay normal for a few months? Please explain this to
me.
I don't believe in things like cropping ears or tails for dogs, or
having cats declawed, and having her fixed falls into the same
category of unnecessary procedures to me. She never ever goes outside,
and if some tom was to sneak in the window and impregnate her we'd
keep the kitties and take care of them anyway. Is there a reason to
have her fixed? I was also told she would be happier if she were
fixed. The kids think it's pretty funny that she's loving all over the
dog lol (they do know what's going on) I am confused, if she's really
miserable to be in heat and never get pregnant I'd rather have her
fixed but if she'll be ok with it I won't worry about it. I can live
with the howling and loving on everything I guess.
Marie
Ted Davis - 06 Oct 2004 14:55 GMT
>Her tail is sooo furry but the rest of her isn't. I call her fuzzy
>butt sometimes. She's adorable! Runs through the house with her fat
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>with the howling and loving on everything I guess.
>Marie

You are tormenting your cat: either get her fixed or let her mate.  Of
course letting her mate is a really bad idea.  Both you and your cat
will be happier if you have her spayed: intack females are a real pain
when they are in heat and her marking and other sex related activities
are a nusience - they there is the problem of attracting every tom in
the neighborhood, even if she is inside they will sometimes notice and
come calling (literally).

T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
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Marie - 06 Oct 2004 16:31 GMT
>You are tormenting your cat: either get her fixed or let her mate.  Of
>course letting her mate is a really bad idea.  

Just wondering, but why is letting her mate a really bad idea? What if
we wanted kittens?

>Both you and your cat
>will be happier if you have her spayed: intack females are a real pain
>when they are in heat and her marking and other sex related activities
>are a nusience - they there is the problem of attracting every tom in
>the neighborhood, even if she is inside they will sometimes notice and
>come calling (literally).

Thanks.
Marie
Sherry - 06 Oct 2004 19:37 GMT
>Just wondering, but why is letting her mate a really bad idea? What if
>we wanted kittens?

There are just so many unwanted kittens already, Marie. Trash bags full of the
bodies of healthy, cute kittens and cats that we kill in America are put in
dumpsters at animal control facilities everywhere, every day. I know it's easy
to think you'll find good homes for them and everything will be okay. But it's
not fair to the ones already here. What people really do by having kittens is
allowing those kittens in shelters to be displaced and making it even harder
for them to find homes.
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 19:42 GMT
>There are just so many unwanted kittens already, Marie. Trash bags full of the
>bodies of healthy, cute kittens and cats that we kill in America are put in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>allowing those kittens in shelters to be displaced and making it even harder
>for them to find homes.

That's just evil. My grandmother used to have to dispose of their
kittens and puppies when she was a little girl. You'd(general you)
have to be heartless to just dump out some animal or kill them. We got
a dog, she just showed up one day months ago and never left...she was
housebroken, tame, and healthy looking...but she had heartworm. I
can't help thinking someone dumped her so they wouldn't have to have
her treated.
Marie
Sherry - 07 Oct 2004 03:43 GMT
>That's just evil. My grandmother used to have to dispose of their
>kittens and puppies when she was a little girl. You'd(general you)
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>her treated.
>Marie

Very true. We live in the country, between two lake roads. Prime dumping ground
for dogs and cats. I get so tired of taking responsibility for other people's
animals. :-(

Sherry
Ted Davis - 06 Oct 2004 21:35 GMT
>>You are tormenting your cat: either get her fixed or let her mate.  Of
>>course letting her mate is a really bad idea.  
>
>Just wondering, but why is letting her mate a really bad idea? What if
>we wanted kittens?

You want kittens? Go to the nearest animal shelter, ask around the
neighborhood, or check the classifieds - in most places kittens are in
serious surplus.

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Sherry - 06 Oct 2004 15:26 GMT
>I don't believe in things like cropping ears or tails for dogs, or
>having cats declawed, and having her fixed falls into the same
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>with the howling and loving on everything I guess.
>Marie

Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary"
procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation problem
already. We're killing healthy cats by the millions. What's a more effective
argument than that?
Besides, she's gonna make you miserable. A cat in heat is hard to live with,
and miserable herself. Just do it.

Sherry
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 16:29 GMT
>Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary"
>procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation problem
>already. We're killing healthy cats by the millions. What's a more effective
>argument than that?

It's not necessary for us; she will not have kittens, regardless of
whether she's fixed. She can not get out of the house. The population
problem will never be affected by her.

>Besides, she's gonna make you miserable. A cat in heat is hard to live with,
>and miserable herself. Just do it.

Well see that is what I am asking about...her being miserable and if
and why it's better to have her fixed. I also wanted to know if they
stay in heat, or if she will come out of it like dogs do. I know the
big arguement online about having cats fixed but in the area I live
in, the big arguement is about having them declawed. People push many
unnecessary procedures for animals and humans and I need the info, not
the emotion, to decide what to do.
Marie
Sparky Polastri - 06 Oct 2004 16:55 GMT
> >Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary"
> >procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation problem
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> the emotion, to decide what to do.
> Marie

<shrug>

Get her fixed if you want the "heat" behaviors to stop.  Yes they are
periodic (not as often as humans, but more often than dogs).  If you don't
mind it, or find that the temporary pain of being fixed is worse than the
continual annoyance (to you and the cat) of heat then don't get her fixed.

Vetrinary standards and social standards are pretty clear about what is the
correct thing to do. (Get her fixed.)  You won't be able to change anybody's
opinion about that. In any case, stop being a combative git about it and do
what you are going to do.
Jodie - 06 Oct 2004 17:03 GMT
Yes, get her fixed.  It is unfair to the cat to not let her freely mate when
she is in heat.  You're okay with having kittens?  Get her fixed and go to
your local animal shelter and get a bunch of homeless kittens awaiting their
death sentence.
Sherry - 06 Oct 2004 19:34 GMT
>It's not necessary for us; she will not have kittens, regardless of
>whether she's fixed. She can not get out of the house. The population
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>the emotion, to decide what to do.
>Marie

I agree with you *wholeheartedly* re: declaw and ear/tail docking.
I only had one female cat-in-heat experience myself, but...I have read that if
the cat doesn't mate, it will immediately go back into heat. Not a pleasant
thing.
Biskit was awful. She yowled and rolled and was just way too "fresh" with
anything, human or feline,  that moved. Sheesh. She was so emaciated I didn't
think she was in good enough shape for surgery at the time. I was *glad* when
she put on enough weight that I felt it was safe to spay her. I couldn't have
put up with her. Honestly.
Good luck with your kitty
Sherry
Scumball - 06 Oct 2004 21:43 GMT
Just stop being a cheapskate and get her fixed !
You think it's just entertaining, but the cat will be a LOT happier if she's
not constantly distracted by the urge to mate.
If you want to think of yourself as a caring owner, just do the kind thing
and spend the money - ya tightwad.

>>Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary"
>>procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation
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> the emotion, to decide what to do.
> Marie
Mary - 06 Oct 2004 18:27 GMT
>) I am confused, if she's really
>miserable to be in heat and never get pregnant I'd rather have her
>fixed but if she'll be ok with it I won't worry about it.

I had a cat that went into heat and stayed that way for two months until I got
her fixed. Her voice got hoarse from caterwauling, she kept us up all night
long. We had to be careful because she was trying to run out the door all the
time. She had leukemia so I couldn't find a vet to fix her initially. Finally I
did. She's much happier and healthier now. I suggest getting her fixed.
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 19:23 GMT
>I had a cat that went into heat and stayed that way for two months until I got
>her fixed. Her voice got hoarse from caterwauling, she kept us up all night
>long. We had to be careful because she was trying to run out the door all the
>time. She had leukemia so I couldn't find a vet to fix her initially. Finally I
>did. She's much happier and healthier now. I suggest getting her fixed.

Wow, two months. Thanks for your story, I wasn't sure what to do.
Everyone preaches to have them fixed but I know that around here
(meaning my community) everyone preaches to have them declawed and
thinks a person is insane if you don't have your indoor cat declawed,
or certain kinds of dogs' ears and tails cropped. It's hard to know
what is actually something to worry about and what's just opinion. She
was negative for leukemia so that shouldn't be a problem. I think I'll
take her as soon as we can to be fixed.
Marie
Sunflower - 06 Oct 2004 19:19 GMT
> Her tail is sooo furry but the rest of her isn't. I call her fuzzy
> butt sometimes. She's adorable! Runs through the house with her fat
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> with the howling and loving on everything I guess.
> Marie

Cats are induced ovulators.  They do not ovulate until they mate, meaning
heats can go on for weeks at a time.  This is not healthy for your animal.
They can develop a life threatening condition called pyometra, and the cure
for that is an emergency spay, which if you're lucky, your cat survives.
Lucky, because of the huge amount of infection that a cat with pyometra is
dealing with, and cats that sick don't have a good chance of surviving
anesthesia.  Pyometra is caused by too many heat cycles, and you can be
assured of your cat developing it within 3 years.  Feline mating behavior is
governed by instinct and not choice.  A female cat that cannot mate is like
you when you've skipped a couple of days worth of meals and then have a
beautifully grilled steak put before you.  You can't control the salivation
that occurs, even if you're strong enough to not eat the meal. A cat that is
not spayed or neutered has instincts stronger than that of your hunger, and
it's torture to them to not be able to mate.  You may think it's funny, but
it's not.  Like I said, think of how you feel when you're as hungry as
you've ever been in your life and someone teases you by taking away food.
You'd feel even worse.

Breeding regular domestic cats is a very bad idea.  Cats are killed by the
millions in this country, and contributing even one more unnecessary animal
when there are so many without homes is immoral.  In the days before
vaccines were developed and cats lived outside, the life expectancy was less
than 2 years, and the life expectancy of the litters was that maybe 2 out of
6 would survive to their first birthday.  A lot of cats died "naturally" and
the population was kept under control by predators and disease.  With the
advent of vaccines and the longer lifespans that this created, you had more
cats survive into adulthood to procreate and their litters had a higher
survival rate as well.  Thus the necessity of spaying and neutering to keep
the pet population under control.  An unspayed female cat, her unneutered
mate and all of their offspring, producing 2 litters per years, with 2.8
surviving kittens per year can total 11,606,077 cats in only 9 years. And
what do you think happens to all of these excess cats?  Some live out their
lives on the margins of society scrounging what they can and mostly starving
until they die of disease like their wilder ancestors did.  Some die from
the deliberate human cruelty of poison or shooting.  Millions more are
euthanized in shelters because they can't find homes because there simply
aren't enough. That doesn't even address the health consequences to a female
that's been bred including sexually transmitted diseases and possilble life
threatening complications to her during pregnancy and/or delivery.  Even
those who have purebred cats and know of the genetic history of many
generations of their cat's ancestors choose to spay and neuter their cats if
they are not top of the line representatives of the breed who can be assured
(through a lot of expensive testing) of improving the breed.  You don't know
the genetic history of your cat even as far back as one generation.

There are many many good reasons to have your cat spayed and to not breed
her.  There isn't a single good reason to keep her intact or to breed her.
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 19:33 GMT
>Cats are induced ovulators.  They do not ovulate until they mate, meaning
>heats can go on for weeks at a time.  This is not healthy for your animal.
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>There are many many good reasons to have your cat spayed and to not breed
>her.  There isn't a single good reason to keep her intact or to breed her.

Thank you for the very informative post. That is the sort of info I
was looking for.
I was thinking about how human females are more at risk for cancer if
they don't go through pregnancies and breastfeed and I had wondered if
childless animals were at any risk but you explained it.
Marie
Jodie - 06 Oct 2004 22:44 GMT
Thanks for taking the high road and having your kitty fixed.  I don't agree
with declawing or ear cropping either, but neuatering and spaying are
entirely different stories.

jodie
Ceardach - 07 Oct 2004 01:54 GMT
> Thank you for the very informative post. That is the sort of info I
> was looking for.
> I was thinking about how human females are more at risk for cancer if
> they don't go through pregnancies and breastfeed and I had wondered if
> childless animals were at any risk but you explained it.
> Marie

I think just about any female creature has this risk of uterine
cancer.  I have not heard of the statistics for cats, since the
majority are spayed as soon as possible, but I do know that in other
creatures who are normally not spayed because it is dangerous (such as
rats), the females have a lower life expectancy than males because of
cancer.
coolsti - 09 Oct 2004 08:14 GMT
We don't believe either in declawing cats. But we have had our cats
sterilized after they were about 1 year old (I think) by our local
veterinarian. Both cats are females. We live in Denmark, and there is here
a very humane, very helpful and very knowledgeable organization which
helps cats, for example finding homes for the homeless. This is where we
got our two cats. And it is the recommendation of these people, as well as
the vets here in Denmark, to sterilize cats, both male and female. It is
their belief that this is not detrimental to them leading a good life, and
is a strong help in cutting down on the number of unwanted infant cats
which are abandoned or simply put to death.

Since our cats are allowed to freely roam around outside our house as they
wish (with access to our house via a cat door), we also feel much better
regarding their safety, that they are sterilized.

But we wouldn't think about declawing our cats; how else would they climb
trees or protect themselves? We have a scratch-post in one of our rooms,
and our cats use this almost exclusively, leaving our furniture completely
unscratched.

Steve, Denmark
EdDiggstds - 11 Oct 2004 20:12 GMT
>Subject: Re: my cat is so cute and a question
>From: coolsti coo@goontrytospamme.com
>Date: 10/9/2004 2:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <pan.2004.10.09.07.14.32.47000@goontrytospamme.com>

>We don't believe either in declawing cats. But we have had our cats
>sterilized after they were about 1 year old (I think) by our local
>veterinarian. Both cats are females. We live in Denmark, and there is here
>a very humane, very helpful and very knowledgeable organization which

>helps cats, for example finding homes for the homeless. This is where we
>got our two cats. And it is the recommendation of these people, as well as
>the vets here in Denmark, to sterilize cats, both male and female. It is
>their belief that this is not

>detrimental to them leading a good life, and
>is a strong help in cutting down on the number of unwanted infant cats
>which are abandoned or simply put to death.
>
>Since our cats are allowed to freely roam around outside our house as they
>wish (with access to our house via a

>cat door), we also feel much better
>regarding their safety, that they are sterilized.
>
>But we wouldn't think about declawing our cats; how else would they climb
>trees or protect themselves? We have a scratch-post in one of our rooms,

>and our cats use this almost exclusively, leaving our furniture completely
>unscratched.
>
>Steve, Denmark

I agree with you steralization is good.
I also beleive declawing is wrong but unfortuanately here in the USA  there are
many vets who still do it to make money.
I beleive people who would declaw a cat should not be cat owners.

Ed
 
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