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my cat is so cute and a question
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Marie - 06 Oct 2004 07:22 GMT Her tail is sooo furry but the rest of her isn't. I call her fuzzy butt sometimes. She's adorable! Runs through the house with her fat furry tail stuck in the air.
OK. She is about 6 months old. About two weeks ago she went in heat. She seemed to come out of it after a few days and now she's in heat again. I have been told she will do this until she is pregnant, or fixed. Is this so? They aren't like dogs, and go in heat every once in awhile and then stay normal for a few months? Please explain this to me. I don't believe in things like cropping ears or tails for dogs, or having cats declawed, and having her fixed falls into the same category of unnecessary procedures to me. She never ever goes outside, and if some tom was to sneak in the window and impregnate her we'd keep the kitties and take care of them anyway. Is there a reason to have her fixed? I was also told she would be happier if she were fixed. The kids think it's pretty funny that she's loving all over the dog lol (they do know what's going on) I am confused, if she's really miserable to be in heat and never get pregnant I'd rather have her fixed but if she'll be ok with it I won't worry about it. I can live with the howling and loving on everything I guess. Marie
Ted Davis - 06 Oct 2004 14:55 GMT >Her tail is sooo furry but the rest of her isn't. I call her fuzzy >butt sometimes. She's adorable! Runs through the house with her fat [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >with the howling and loving on everything I guess. >Marie You are tormenting your cat: either get her fixed or let her mate. Of course letting her mate is a really bad idea. Both you and your cat will be happier if you have her spayed: intack females are a real pain when they are in heat and her marking and other sex related activities are a nusience - they there is the problem of attracting every tom in the neighborhood, even if she is inside they will sometimes notice and come calling (literally).
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Marie - 06 Oct 2004 16:31 GMT >You are tormenting your cat: either get her fixed or let her mate. Of >course letting her mate is a really bad idea. Just wondering, but why is letting her mate a really bad idea? What if we wanted kittens?
>Both you and your cat >will be happier if you have her spayed: intack females are a real pain >when they are in heat and her marking and other sex related activities >are a nusience - they there is the problem of attracting every tom in >the neighborhood, even if she is inside they will sometimes notice and >come calling (literally). Thanks. Marie
Sherry - 06 Oct 2004 19:37 GMT >Just wondering, but why is letting her mate a really bad idea? What if >we wanted kittens? There are just so many unwanted kittens already, Marie. Trash bags full of the bodies of healthy, cute kittens and cats that we kill in America are put in dumpsters at animal control facilities everywhere, every day. I know it's easy to think you'll find good homes for them and everything will be okay. But it's not fair to the ones already here. What people really do by having kittens is allowing those kittens in shelters to be displaced and making it even harder for them to find homes.
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 19:42 GMT >There are just so many unwanted kittens already, Marie. Trash bags full of the >bodies of healthy, cute kittens and cats that we kill in America are put in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >allowing those kittens in shelters to be displaced and making it even harder >for them to find homes. That's just evil. My grandmother used to have to dispose of their kittens and puppies when she was a little girl. You'd(general you) have to be heartless to just dump out some animal or kill them. We got a dog, she just showed up one day months ago and never left...she was housebroken, tame, and healthy looking...but she had heartworm. I can't help thinking someone dumped her so they wouldn't have to have her treated. Marie
Sherry - 07 Oct 2004 03:43 GMT >That's just evil. My grandmother used to have to dispose of their >kittens and puppies when she was a little girl. You'd(general you) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >her treated. >Marie Very true. We live in the country, between two lake roads. Prime dumping ground for dogs and cats. I get so tired of taking responsibility for other people's animals. :-(
Sherry
Ted Davis - 06 Oct 2004 21:35 GMT >>You are tormenting your cat: either get her fixed or let her mate. Of >>course letting her mate is a really bad idea. > >Just wondering, but why is letting her mate a really bad idea? What if >we wanted kittens? You want kittens? Go to the nearest animal shelter, ask around the neighborhood, or check the classifieds - in most places kittens are in serious surplus.
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Sherry - 06 Oct 2004 15:26 GMT >I don't believe in things like cropping ears or tails for dogs, or >having cats declawed, and having her fixed falls into the same [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >with the howling and loving on everything I guess. >Marie Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary" procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation problem already. We're killing healthy cats by the millions. What's a more effective argument than that? Besides, she's gonna make you miserable. A cat in heat is hard to live with, and miserable herself. Just do it.
Sherry
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 16:29 GMT >Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary" >procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation problem >already. We're killing healthy cats by the millions. What's a more effective >argument than that? It's not necessary for us; she will not have kittens, regardless of whether she's fixed. She can not get out of the house. The population problem will never be affected by her.
>Besides, she's gonna make you miserable. A cat in heat is hard to live with, >and miserable herself. Just do it. Well see that is what I am asking about...her being miserable and if and why it's better to have her fixed. I also wanted to know if they stay in heat, or if she will come out of it like dogs do. I know the big arguement online about having cats fixed but in the area I live in, the big arguement is about having them declawed. People push many unnecessary procedures for animals and humans and I need the info, not the emotion, to decide what to do. Marie
Sparky Polastri - 06 Oct 2004 16:55 GMT > >Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary" > >procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation problem [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the emotion, to decide what to do. > Marie <shrug>
Get her fixed if you want the "heat" behaviors to stop. Yes they are periodic (not as often as humans, but more often than dogs). If you don't mind it, or find that the temporary pain of being fixed is worse than the continual annoyance (to you and the cat) of heat then don't get her fixed.
Vetrinary standards and social standards are pretty clear about what is the correct thing to do. (Get her fixed.) You won't be able to change anybody's opinion about that. In any case, stop being a combative git about it and do what you are going to do.
Jodie - 06 Oct 2004 17:03 GMT Yes, get her fixed. It is unfair to the cat to not let her freely mate when she is in heat. You're okay with having kittens? Get her fixed and go to your local animal shelter and get a bunch of homeless kittens awaiting their death sentence.
Sherry - 06 Oct 2004 19:34 GMT >It's not necessary for us; she will not have kittens, regardless of >whether she's fixed. She can not get out of the house. The population [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >the emotion, to decide what to do. >Marie I agree with you *wholeheartedly* re: declaw and ear/tail docking. I only had one female cat-in-heat experience myself, but...I have read that if the cat doesn't mate, it will immediately go back into heat. Not a pleasant thing. Biskit was awful. She yowled and rolled and was just way too "fresh" with anything, human or feline, that moved. Sheesh. She was so emaciated I didn't think she was in good enough shape for surgery at the time. I was *glad* when she put on enough weight that I felt it was safe to spay her. I couldn't have put up with her. Honestly. Good luck with your kitty Sherry
Scumball - 06 Oct 2004 21:43 GMT Just stop being a cheapskate and get her fixed ! You think it's just entertaining, but the cat will be a LOT happier if she's not constantly distracted by the urge to mate. If you want to think of yourself as a caring owner, just do the kind thing and spend the money - ya tightwad.
>>Marie, just get her spayed and get it over with. It's not an "unnecessary" >>procedure. It's *very* necessary, given the critical overpopulation [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the emotion, to decide what to do. > Marie Mary - 06 Oct 2004 18:27 GMT >) I am confused, if she's really >miserable to be in heat and never get pregnant I'd rather have her >fixed but if she'll be ok with it I won't worry about it. I had a cat that went into heat and stayed that way for two months until I got her fixed. Her voice got hoarse from caterwauling, she kept us up all night long. We had to be careful because she was trying to run out the door all the time. She had leukemia so I couldn't find a vet to fix her initially. Finally I did. She's much happier and healthier now. I suggest getting her fixed.
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 19:23 GMT >I had a cat that went into heat and stayed that way for two months until I got >her fixed. Her voice got hoarse from caterwauling, she kept us up all night >long. We had to be careful because she was trying to run out the door all the >time. She had leukemia so I couldn't find a vet to fix her initially. Finally I >did. She's much happier and healthier now. I suggest getting her fixed. Wow, two months. Thanks for your story, I wasn't sure what to do. Everyone preaches to have them fixed but I know that around here (meaning my community) everyone preaches to have them declawed and thinks a person is insane if you don't have your indoor cat declawed, or certain kinds of dogs' ears and tails cropped. It's hard to know what is actually something to worry about and what's just opinion. She was negative for leukemia so that shouldn't be a problem. I think I'll take her as soon as we can to be fixed. Marie
Sunflower - 06 Oct 2004 19:19 GMT > Her tail is sooo furry but the rest of her isn't. I call her fuzzy > butt sometimes. She's adorable! Runs through the house with her fat [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > with the howling and loving on everything I guess. > Marie Cats are induced ovulators. They do not ovulate until they mate, meaning heats can go on for weeks at a time. This is not healthy for your animal. They can develop a life threatening condition called pyometra, and the cure for that is an emergency spay, which if you're lucky, your cat survives. Lucky, because of the huge amount of infection that a cat with pyometra is dealing with, and cats that sick don't have a good chance of surviving anesthesia. Pyometra is caused by too many heat cycles, and you can be assured of your cat developing it within 3 years. Feline mating behavior is governed by instinct and not choice. A female cat that cannot mate is like you when you've skipped a couple of days worth of meals and then have a beautifully grilled steak put before you. You can't control the salivation that occurs, even if you're strong enough to not eat the meal. A cat that is not spayed or neutered has instincts stronger than that of your hunger, and it's torture to them to not be able to mate. You may think it's funny, but it's not. Like I said, think of how you feel when you're as hungry as you've ever been in your life and someone teases you by taking away food. You'd feel even worse.
Breeding regular domestic cats is a very bad idea. Cats are killed by the millions in this country, and contributing even one more unnecessary animal when there are so many without homes is immoral. In the days before vaccines were developed and cats lived outside, the life expectancy was less than 2 years, and the life expectancy of the litters was that maybe 2 out of 6 would survive to their first birthday. A lot of cats died "naturally" and the population was kept under control by predators and disease. With the advent of vaccines and the longer lifespans that this created, you had more cats survive into adulthood to procreate and their litters had a higher survival rate as well. Thus the necessity of spaying and neutering to keep the pet population under control. An unspayed female cat, her unneutered mate and all of their offspring, producing 2 litters per years, with 2.8 surviving kittens per year can total 11,606,077 cats in only 9 years. And what do you think happens to all of these excess cats? Some live out their lives on the margins of society scrounging what they can and mostly starving until they die of disease like their wilder ancestors did. Some die from the deliberate human cruelty of poison or shooting. Millions more are euthanized in shelters because they can't find homes because there simply aren't enough. That doesn't even address the health consequences to a female that's been bred including sexually transmitted diseases and possilble life threatening complications to her during pregnancy and/or delivery. Even those who have purebred cats and know of the genetic history of many generations of their cat's ancestors choose to spay and neuter their cats if they are not top of the line representatives of the breed who can be assured (through a lot of expensive testing) of improving the breed. You don't know the genetic history of your cat even as far back as one generation.
There are many many good reasons to have your cat spayed and to not breed her. There isn't a single good reason to keep her intact or to breed her.
Marie - 06 Oct 2004 19:33 GMT >Cats are induced ovulators. They do not ovulate until they mate, meaning >heats can go on for weeks at a time. This is not healthy for your animal. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >There are many many good reasons to have your cat spayed and to not breed >her. There isn't a single good reason to keep her intact or to breed her. Thank you for the very informative post. That is the sort of info I was looking for. I was thinking about how human females are more at risk for cancer if they don't go through pregnancies and breastfeed and I had wondered if childless animals were at any risk but you explained it. Marie
Jodie - 06 Oct 2004 22:44 GMT Thanks for taking the high road and having your kitty fixed. I don't agree with declawing or ear cropping either, but neuatering and spaying are entirely different stories.
jodie
Ceardach - 07 Oct 2004 01:54 GMT > Thank you for the very informative post. That is the sort of info I > was looking for. > I was thinking about how human females are more at risk for cancer if > they don't go through pregnancies and breastfeed and I had wondered if > childless animals were at any risk but you explained it. > Marie I think just about any female creature has this risk of uterine cancer. I have not heard of the statistics for cats, since the majority are spayed as soon as possible, but I do know that in other creatures who are normally not spayed because it is dangerous (such as rats), the females have a lower life expectancy than males because of cancer.
coolsti - 09 Oct 2004 08:14 GMT We don't believe either in declawing cats. But we have had our cats sterilized after they were about 1 year old (I think) by our local veterinarian. Both cats are females. We live in Denmark, and there is here a very humane, very helpful and very knowledgeable organization which helps cats, for example finding homes for the homeless. This is where we got our two cats. And it is the recommendation of these people, as well as the vets here in Denmark, to sterilize cats, both male and female. It is their belief that this is not detrimental to them leading a good life, and is a strong help in cutting down on the number of unwanted infant cats which are abandoned or simply put to death.
Since our cats are allowed to freely roam around outside our house as they wish (with access to our house via a cat door), we also feel much better regarding their safety, that they are sterilized.
But we wouldn't think about declawing our cats; how else would they climb trees or protect themselves? We have a scratch-post in one of our rooms, and our cats use this almost exclusively, leaving our furniture completely unscratched.
Steve, Denmark
EdDiggstds - 11 Oct 2004 20:12 GMT >Subject: Re: my cat is so cute and a question >From: coolsti coo@goontrytospamme.com >Date: 10/9/2004 2:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <pan.2004.10.09.07.14.32.47000@goontrytospamme.com>
>We don't believe either in declawing cats. But we have had our cats >sterilized after they were about 1 year old (I think) by our local >veterinarian. Both cats are females. We live in Denmark, and there is here >a very humane, very helpful and very knowledgeable organization which
>helps cats, for example finding homes for the homeless. This is where we >got our two cats. And it is the recommendation of these people, as well as >the vets here in Denmark, to sterilize cats, both male and female. It is >their belief that this is not
>detrimental to them leading a good life, and >is a strong help in cutting down on the number of unwanted infant cats >which are abandoned or simply put to death. > >Since our cats are allowed to freely roam around outside our house as they >wish (with access to our house via a
>cat door), we also feel much better >regarding their safety, that they are sterilized. > >But we wouldn't think about declawing our cats; how else would they climb >trees or protect themselves? We have a scratch-post in one of our rooms,
>and our cats use this almost exclusively, leaving our furniture completely >unscratched. > >Steve, Denmark I agree with you steralization is good. I also beleive declawing is wrong but unfortuanately here in the USA there are many vets who still do it to make money. I beleive people who would declaw a cat should not be cat owners.
Ed
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