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how to get a cat to use a cat door?
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coolsti - 02 Oct 2004 08:49 GMT Hi, we have two 1½ year old cats with completely different personalities. Both love our yard and the outdoors. We put in a cat door with a plastic door that they can open in either direction by pushing against it, so they can come and go as they please. The one cat had no problem with this, and learned from day one to go through it. The other cat, however, can't figure it out. She will only go through it if we bind the door in an open position. And this, despite seeing the other cat going through the closed door countless times.
Now winter is coming, and we can't keep the door bound open. Does someone have experience with this who can tell us how to train her to go through this closed door, which she either can't understand, or is afraid of?
Thanks,
Steve, Denmark
Ashley - 02 Oct 2004 09:58 GMT > Hi, we have two 1? year old cats with completely different personalities. > Both love our yard and the outdoors. We put in a cat door with a plastic [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > have experience with this who can tell us how to train her to go through > this closed door, which she either can't understand, or is afraid of? How did you go about the actual training? Have you actually yourself passed her through the door, while soothing her, to food on the other side? It's been a while since my two got used to the cat door, which they did as kittens, so I'm hazy remembering how I did it. But I do know that the first step was, as you have done holding the door open and allowing them to go through the space. But once they are comfortable with that idea, they then have to get comfortable with the feel of the cat door against their head as they push it open.
There are a few ways to do this and from the sounds of your post, you seem to have two people in the house, so that should make it easier. One of you go to one side of the door with the cat, the other to the other side of the door with a treat that she really loves - cheese, or whatever it is that she thinks is a very special food. The one of you with the treat, pull the cat door slightly open towards you (away from the cat) and put the treat just under the gap to the door, so she can sniff it, and perhaps even touch it with her paw, but will need to force the door open with her head to actually get it (don't help her do that). If that happens a few times, she will then be comfortable with the feeling of the flap against her head, and will hopefully start copying the other cat and using the door as it's intended.
You'd be able to help that along by, once she's comfortable with the feel of the cat door against her head, feeding her on the opposite side of the door, so she actually has to start going through it to get the food.
coolsti - 02 Oct 2004 11:42 GMT > How did you go about the actual training? Have you actually yourself passed > her through the door, while soothing her, to food on the other side? It's [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > the cat door against her head, feeding her on the opposite side of the door, > so she actually has to start going through it to get the food. Hi,
we thought we would need to train them, but since the one cat figured it out right away, we assumed the other would look on and follow after. But even though Betsy (the cat that can't) stares at Malou (the cat that can) as she passes in and out of the door, Betsy still seems to be afraid of the closed door. We tried by coaxing Betsy to the door, and slightly opening it with our fingers. If we hold her there long enough and hold the door open, she will go through it. But otherwise she will not.
We will try your suggestion with food, maybe it will work. Thanks!
Regards, Steve
Ashley - 02 Oct 2004 21:23 GMT > we thought we would need to train them, but since the one cat figured it > out right away, we assumed the other would look on and follow after. But > even though Betsy (the cat that can't) stares at Malou (the cat that can) > as she passes in and out of the door, Betsy still seems to be afraid of > the closed door. Well, all cats are different, just like humans! I have one cat that, when I move house, sees the cat door and immediately tries to go outside to start exploring (I don't let him for a couple of days, until he's realised that inside is his new home). The other always requires me to show him the cat door and assure him it's safe before he'll go anywhere near it! However, having used cat doors for most of his life, he's usually quite content with me opening and closing it and calling him from the other side, and doesn't need to be bribed anymore :-)
We tried by coaxing Betsy to the door, and slightly
> opening it with our fingers. If we hold her there long enough and hold the > door open, she will go through it. But otherwise she will not. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards, > Steve Luvskats00 - 02 Oct 2004 16:14 GMT To: "Ashley" ashleyjaneDELETE@xtra.co.nz
You can keep the cat(s) indoor..especially wise in the wintertime.
Amy Gray - 02 Oct 2004 15:11 GMT >Now winter is coming, and we can't keep the door bound open. Does someone >have experience with this who can tell us how to train her to go through >this closed door, which she either can't understand, or is afraid of? Personally I would remove the cat door completely. While it might a nice idea for the cat, I have yet to get an answer about the problem if a cat can come in what is to prevent a small child from doing it to? And since some of those small children carry guns and have no problem using them I'd be hesitant to have a cat door in my house.
Recently around here a family came home and found their house trashed including some birds, fish, dogs, cats tortured and killed.
Ted Davis - 02 Oct 2004 16:59 GMT >>Now winter is coming, and we can't keep the door bound open. Does someone >>have experience with this who can tell us how to train her to go through [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >trashed including some birds, fish, dogs, cats tortured and >killed. The typical cat flap is about 7 (18) X 10 (25) in. (cm). That calls for a *really* small child - maybe a newborn, but some of those are too big.
-- T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
bonbon - 02 Oct 2004 22:05 GMT Steve, Denmark,
We have 9 cats, and I've noticed that no matter which activity, the cats all go about it best when they think it's their own idea. I wouldn't worry about it too much, if the other cat wants out bad enough, it will figure out a way to get through that cat door, whether by pulling the flap towards itself, or pushing (proper) to get through. Out of our 9, there are a couple that aren't too crazy about the whole cat door scenario, but when we're sitting out back on the patio, eventually, here they all come.
Our Manx, Bobby Pants comes through like this:
First, you see him sitting there on the inside, face smashed up against the plastic flap. Then, you see this gargantuan paw stick out as far as it can, toes fully spread apart, through the bottom of the flap. Then, the enormous paw feels all around outside of the flap on the step. Then finally he figures the coast is clear, and comes barreling through. Makes us laugh at him every time.
A couple of our cats occasionally like to sit on one side of the cat door, (inside or out - doesn't seem to matter) and spank any one else that decides to come through. That's very entertaining also, but puzzling. Why DO they do things like that?
-bonbon
Cheryl - 02 Oct 2004 23:26 GMT In the fine newsgroup "alt.cats", bonbon <not@taking.replies> artfully composed this message within <news:194ul09hbgr8i4n8ileo3ff9i5fn2jl32l@4ax.com> on 02 Oct 2004:
> Our Manx, Bobby Pants comes through like this: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > one else that decides to come through. That's very entertaining > also, but puzzling. Why DO they do things like that? LOL Cute story. My Shamrock will barrel through it after he's been out, then in again. Head first, no feeling around, just head-on through the flap. Bonnie is the one who can't figure out the flap and just likes to ambush and slap Shamrock from the inside, either when his shadow is on the door or he's coming back through. My RB cat Shadow would *pull* the bottom part of the flap toward him to separate the magnetic parts and then push his way out. The *outside* to them is a good-sized enclosure adjacent to the back of my house. I let Bonnie out by propping open the flap, but not always. I want her to figure it out. She's a smart girl and if she wants out bad enough, she'll figure it out.
 Signature Cheryl
Ashley - 03 Oct 2004 01:06 GMT > Steve, Denmark,
> A couple of our cats occasionally like to sit on one side of the cat > door, (inside or out - doesn't seem to matter) and spank any one else > that decides to come through. That's very entertaining also, but > puzzling. ROTFL!
Why DO they do things like that?
Because they can :-)
Ted Davis - 03 Oct 2004 01:40 GMT >Hi, we have two 1½ year old cats with completely different personalities. >Both love our yard and the outdoors. We put in a cat door with a plastic [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >have experience with this who can tell us how to train her to go through >this closed door, which she either can't understand, or is afraid of? I've had problems with some cats refusing to use one style of cat flap: the one with a magnetic latch at the bottom of a flexible flap. Removing the magnet from the frame solved the problem - my guess is that the cats didn't want to have to push hard, then when the flap started moving, surge forward because of the loss of resistance to forward motion. It would be like a human having to push hard to get a door to open, then have it break loose and swing open so the human would stumble through. I don't like the feeling so I can understand that cats might not like it either.
-- T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
GP - 03 Oct 2004 07:58 GMT > Hi, we have two 1½ year old cats with completely different personalities. > Both love our yard and the outdoors. We put in a cat door with a plastic > door that they can open in either direction by pushing against it, so they > can come and go as they please. The one cat had no problem with this, and > learned from day one to go through it. The other cat, however, can't > figure it out. She sure can. She just wants you to give her some attention.
sh.t, my cat even figured out how to open the telephone line with the telephone answering machine and have the operator say «Please hang up immediately and try your call again». Even I didn't know how to do this!
Primatologists have found out that monkeys and gorillas are intelligent, that they can speak with the blinds' language and combine words to create new ones, new ideas.
Cats and dogs don't have fingers and cats wouldn't want to learn a language anyhow because they understand it could be used to give them orders but, believe me, their heads are full of silly plans and elaborate calculations.
So please, stop that «my little cutie doesn't understand» nonsense, will you? Otherwise, pretty soon, your cat will be running the household. I don't understand how people with enough interest for cats to write on alt.cat didn't bring you to your senses yet.
GP
bonbon - 03 Oct 2004 10:09 GMT hey GP........tell us what you really think! ; )
-bonbon
>So please, stop that «my little cutie doesn't understand» nonsense, >will you? Otherwise, pretty soon, your cat will be running the >household. I don't understand how people with enough interest for cats >to write on alt.cat didn't bring you to your senses yet. > >GP GP - 03 Oct 2004 18:07 GMT > hey GP........tell us what you really think! ; ) You mean you want me to tell what the cat really thinks? Err... I'd rather not.
GP
coolsti - 09 Oct 2004 08:04 GMT Hi,
well, our story now has a happy ending, our fraidy cat Betsy now has learned to go through the cat door on her own.
We removed the magnet, making the door a bit easier and less noisy to open, and then we spent one weekend coaxing her with food and treats through the door. This seemed to have registered with her, such that she began to act very curious rather than frightened of the closed door. It took a few more days of quiet and cautious persuading, but a few days later she started to use the door herself.
I don't think in her case it would have helped to just ignore the situation, with the idea that, if she gets desperate enough, she will figure it out. We tried this for a while. I think she was really afraid of the door, and needed the gentle coaxing from us, and the food and treats to be able to forget her fear. And it definitely would not have helped to have been more aggressive with her and push her through the door against her wishes.
We think it is really great that our two cats now can come and go as they wish. They love our yard and the outdoors, and we are lucky to live in an area which is relatively safe for them. If only we can figure out how to get them not to bring their "trophies" in the house with them (that is, the occasional bird they are lucky enough to catch).
Steve, Denmark
bonbon - 09 Oct 2004 15:11 GMT >Hi, > >well, our story now has a happy ending, our fraidy cat Betsy now has >learned to go through the cat door on her own. That's wonderful news Steve, Denmark. You should feel like the proud papa. Now that Betsy isn't afraid of the cat door any longer, does she bolt in and out of it as if she were actually the one who invented cat doors? When my little Seven first discovered how to use ours, he would come flying through the door with an expression on his face like "I'M HERE"......."LOOK WHAT I CAN DO", then just as quickly, turn around and fly back through it the other way. I really miss him.
-bonbon
coolsti - 12 Oct 2004 15:11 GMT > -bonbon Hi bonbon,
Well, Betsy is not at that stage yet, where she is completely confident with the door. We can see her from the window when she wants to get back inside and she is funny to watch. She comes running up to the cat door, stops, and looks at the closed plastic door with curiosity. After about a minute she pushes her nose against the door, sort of to make sure that it does indeed open. Then she places one paw through the door, experimentally, to see if everything seems ok. Then she "takes the dive" so to speak, and plunges through the door as if to do it more slowly would be dangerous.
We are really happy that she figured it out! I imagine in time she will go whipping through the door just like our other cat. And to us, Betsy seems a little more proud, and a little more satisfied with herself, since she learned to use the door on her own ;-)
Steve, Denmark
Ashley - 12 Oct 2004 21:40 GMT After about a
> minute she pushes her nose against the door, sort of to > make sure that it does indeed open. Then she places one paw through the > door, experimentally, to see if everything seems ok. One of my cats still does that, and he's 10. It may be just her way :-)
AC - 22 Oct 2004 22:06 GMT Having a clear door helps, a cat (rightly so) doesn't have blind faith that the house doesn't contain a foe, or something worse...
> After about a > > minute she pushes her nose against the door, sort of to > > make sure that it does indeed open. Then she places one paw through the > > door, experimentally, to see if everything seems ok. > > One of my cats still does that, and he's 10. It may be just her way :-) bonbon - 13 Oct 2004 14:15 GMT >> -bonbon > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >dive" so to speak, and plunges through the door as if to do it more slowly >would be dangerous. LOL!
-bonbon
>We are really happy that she figured it out! I imagine in time she will go >whipping through the door just like our other cat. And to us, Betsy seems >a little more proud, and a little more satisfied with herself, since she >learned to use the door on her own ;-) > >Steve, Denmark
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