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Cat Forum / General Topics / October 2007hartz drops?
I currently use Frontline but I keep reading that Hartz flea drops can be really bad/fatal for your cats. Can someone please educate me on Hartz drops. >I currently use Frontline but I keep reading that Hartz flea drops can be >really bad/fatal for your cats. Can someone please educate me on Hartz >drops. I used to use it, and accepted the loss of one cat and the illness of another. Now I know better. Somebody informed me how to bring the cost of Frontline down to even less than that of Hartz: buy the package for the largest size dog and divide it into 0.5 ml doses with a syringe or calibrated dropper. A bit more than 0.5 ml may be needed for very large cats. The cat size packages of Frontline are a serious burden when you have a lot of cats: ~$10 (US) per cat per month, but the large dog size works out to ~$1.67 per cat per month for me. I can afford that. -- T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Well Im not as concerned as much about cost when it comes to my cat's health. Is it really safe to use a dog formula on kittens? And what is it in the hartz that is making cats ill? > >I currently use Frontline but I keep reading that Hartz flea drops can be > >really bad/fatal for your cats. Can someone please educate me on Hartz [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) it is safe to use the dog frontline on a cat, as I got that directly from a merial rep. the hartz brand uses a completely different product to kill the fleas. It is safe on dogs, but is KNOWN to be toxic to cats. How they get away with continuing to sell it I have no idea. > Well Im not as concerned as much about cost when it comes to my cat's > health. Is it really safe to use a dog formula on kittens? And what is it in [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -- > > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) >Well Im not as concerned as much about cost when it comes to my cat's >health. Is it really safe to use a dog formula on kittens? And what is it in >the hartz that is making cats ill? The cat and dog Frontline formulas are identical except that the dog formula contains a bit less of the egg and larva killing ingredient. I have been using the dog product on my cats for almost a year now and there has been absolutely no sign of adverse reaction from any of the eleven cats. That is except that they mostly hate having something wet applied to the back of their heads, especially under pressure and sometimes noisily. -- T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Thanks for that info. I guess I'm stocking up on the big dog formula and then using it to dose up my 6 cats. > >Well Im not as concerned as much about cost when it comes to my cat's > >health. Is it really safe to use a dog formula on kittens? And what is it in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) >Subject: hartz drops? >From: "Brandie" brandie_137@hotmail.com >Newsgroups: alt.cats >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:45:20 Brandie writes: >I currently use Frontline but I keep reading that Hartz flea drops can be >really bad/fatal for your cats. Can someone please educate me on Hartz >drops. Don't use the Hartz flea drops on your cats. I almost killed one of my cats nearly five years ago using these drops. The cat, a very lage male cat, appeared to have a siezure after I applied the drops. I immediatly gave him a bath, and, he was alright after that. I am suprised that Hartz is still selling this stuff. I have noticed several discussions on this newsgroup about this poison since I had my experience with it. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ==================================================== "Don't mistake kindness for weakness" Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ I too, used Hartz on my cat and shortly after applying it, she began walking funny, shaking her paws uncontrollably , just as if her skin was crawling and she had to bite it to try and stop it. As soon as I gave her a bath, she was much better. I will NEVER buy Hartz again! Colleen >Subject: hartz drops? >From: "Brandie" brandie_137@hotmail.com >Newsgroups: alt.cats >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:45:20 Brandie writes: >I currently use Frontline but I keep reading that Hartz flea drops can be >really bad/fatal for your cats. Can someone please educate me on Hartz >drops. Don't use the Hartz flea drops on your cats. I almost killed one of my cats nearly five years ago using these drops. The cat, a very lage male cat, appeared to have a siezure after I applied the drops. I immediatly gave him a bath, and, he was alright after that. I am suprised that Hartz is still selling this stuff. I have noticed several discussions on this newsgroup about this poison since I had my experience with it. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ==================================================== "Don't mistake kindness for weakness" Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ >Subject: Re: hartz drops? >From: "gntry" gntry@buffnet.net >Newsgroups: alt.cats >Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:25:28 gntry writes: >I too, used Hartz on my cat and shortly after applying it, she began walking >funny, shaking her paws uncontrollably , just as if her skin was crawling >and she had to bite it to try and stop it. As soon as I gave her a bath, she >was much better. I will NEVER buy Hartz again! >Colleen My cat got stiff, like he had rigor mortis, though he was still alive. It scared the living sh.t out of me. Hartz must not have been sued yet, or exposed to publicity, if they are still marketing this stuff. >>Subject: hartz drops? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >I >had my experience with it. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ==================================================== "Don't mistake kindness for weakness" Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ >My cat got stiff, like he had rigor mortis, though he was still alive. It >scared the living sh.t out of me. >Hartz must not have been sued yet, or exposed to publicity, if they are still >marketing this stuff. Hartz has been sued all over the place. Yet the product is still on the market. Right now they are in the middle of an "independent" two-year study ordered by the EPA to see if the product is safe enough to remain on the shelves. Do a quick google check sometime, use search words like "cats" "Hartz" "lawsuit" "dead", things like that. All we can do right now is spread the word. Tell everyone you know what happened to your kitty. Sherry I just don't get it...people routinely post in this newsgroup (and others) about the horrible/devastating affect Hartz flea products have on their pets. I've personally heard complaints for more than 20 years. I've seen this covered in major news magazine shows. Yet, Hartz keeps making the stuff and pet owners keep buying it. Either the pet owner group is massively retarded...ignorant of a long-standing problem with this company/product..or hell-bent of buying this product be damned. Anyone have an alternate spin on this? >I just don't get it...people routinely post in this newsgroup (and others) >about the horrible/devastating affect Hartz flea products have on their pets. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >this >product be damned. Anyone have an alternate spin on this? An occasional segment on news magazine shows, an occasional newspaper article, isn't exactly widespread media coverage. The information is available, but Hartz is a trusted name. It's an old brand, and people remember it on the shelves when they were children. Once you get outside the circle of vets/shelter people/pet discussion groups, the average consumer isn't aware. Besides, it wasn't that long ago that products like Advantage weren't even widely available. It would help if the newer, safer compounds were available to the consumer on the shelves as readily as Hartz is. Calling people who post their experiences "massively retarded" is exactly like you. Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry) writes >Calling people who post their >experiences "massively retarded" >is exactly like you. You've already proven yourself to be a twit...now, we're moving on. I listed options..I didn't say any were true. I closed the post asking if there were an alternate spin on this...obviously, there was an alternate spin on it...the few responses that came in expressed that the group at large did not know (were ignorant) of this problem. The reason cited for this ignorance was that Hartz was a trusted name <despite the long-standing yet sporadic reports against this product>, reports against this product were know generally known, etc. Got it? >sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry) writes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >product>, reports against this product were know generally known, etc. Got >it? Obviously, you didn't get it. Those people are coming here for information. Calling other posters "massively retarded" truly shows your colors. Remember the parade of posters just a week ago reminding you what a laughingstock you are? Learn from that. Sherry Again, Sherry, you've proved yourself. You're a twit..always will be (no matter what you do). Move on. need i say more about the "twit" word..... let's get another.. it's getting OLD!!! > Again, Sherry, you've proved yourself. You're a twit..always will be (no matter > what you do). Move on. Has anyone noticed (from this and other posts) that Luvkats favorite word is "twit" > sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry) writes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > was a trusted name <despite the long-standing yet sporadic reports against this > product>, reports against this product were know generally known, etc. Got it? "Brandie" brandie_137@hotmail.com writes >Has anyone noticed (from this and >other posts) that Luvkats favorite >word is "twit" My favorite word is actually a toss up between "cat" and "healthy". I use twit to describe sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry). >Subject: Hartz Products or Bust! >From: luvskats00@aol.com (Luvskats00) >Newsgroups: alt.cats >Date: 20 Sep 2004 14:20:13 GMT Luvskats writes: >I just don't get it...people routinely post in this newsgroup (and others) >about the horrible/devastating affect Hartz flea products have on their pets. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >this >product be damned. Anyone have an alternate spin on this? People don't know about it, that's why they buy it. Unless someone stumbles accross an article about it, or someone tells them about it, they won't know about it. I didn't read about it until I had my experience with it, and, I read about it in this newsgroup. As a matter of fact, I posted something about it here immediatly after it happened, and, I got replies to my post telling me the history of this product. Also, off the subject, this newsgroup is in alot better shape than it was back then. Back then, the group was full of trolls and flame warriors who seemed to be more interested in name calling and stirring crap than in cats. Years back, I encountered more ferocious, hateful people here than I did in the prison and law enforcement groups I usually hang out in. I found this shocking, because I had always associated cats and cat lovers with peace, tranquility and "niceness". ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ==================================================== "Don't mistake kindness for weakness" Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ << that Hartz flea drops can be really bad/fatal for your cats >> I don't know about fatal, but it certainly sounds like nasty stuff. A Vet once told me, "It will take the color out of vinyl." www.mimiforsyth.com > << that Hartz flea drops can be > really bad/fatal for your cats >> > > I don't know about fatal, but it certainly sounds like nasty stuff. A Vet once > told me, "It will take the color out of vinyl." I used some OTC flea drops, either Hartz or the other leading brand. It had a baby-powder smell, as I remember. This was on two 1+ year-old cats from the same litter. Anyway, it didn't effect the tortie female at all. On the other hand, for a time I thought the bicolor male was going to die - just shaking like a leaf. He gradually got better, but I'm never going to use *that* stuff again. I got these two kitties as kittens, just having gone through a no-cat spell for about three years. When I bought the stuff at Wal-Mart, I just figured that in the interim the vet-only drops had become OTC. Wrong! It ain't the same as Revolution. Griff I wish there was some sort of database or source where one could go and chronicle their experience with Hartz Mountain flea products. There has been a significant number of complaints - and media attention - but sales go on..complaints continue and so forth. >I wish there was some sort of database or source where one could go and >chronicle their experience with Hartz Mountain flea products. There has been >a >significant number of complaints - and media attention - but sales go >on..complaints continue and so forth. http://www.hartzvictims.org/ http://www.thecomplaintstation.com/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi/Forum/Topi c/TopicID=0341/firstrecord=0/finalrecord=14 Thanks for the links...now on to see what the media has to say about it. > Thanks for the links...now on to see what the media has to say about it. By the way, I subsequently found the leftover drops - they are Hartz. I took them back to Wal-Mart this morning, and got full store credit. The lady who helped me asked me to write a note and drop it in their suggestion box, which I did. In the note, I suggested that they take the drops off of their shelves. Griff Don't use Hartz Frontline. It killed my cat 2 days ago and the vet's office said that another cat died last week from Hartz Frontline, too. My cat wasn't sick or anything and he just collapsed and died very quickly and unexpectantly. >I currently use Frontline but I keep reading that Hartz flea drops can be >really bad/fatal for your cats. Can someone please educate me on Hartz >drops. |
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