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Brandie - 10 Sep 2004 07:04 GMT
I'm curious as to whether this has happened to anyone else. I have 2 kittens
(I call them kittens b/c they are all under a year old) I recently had the
Jack, fixed but the other kitten would up pregnant. She is only 5 months
old. Is that normal/safe for her to get pregnant at such a young age?
Brandie - 10 Sep 2004 07:07 GMT
and is it normal that he can still get her pregnant several weeks after
being fixed.

> I'm curious as to whether this has happened to anyone else. I have 2 kittens
> (I call them kittens b/c they are all under a year old) I recently had the
> Jack, fixed but the other kitten would up pregnant. She is only 5 months
> old. Is that normal/safe for her to get pregnant at such a young age?
Agua Girl - 10 Sep 2004 07:12 GMT
> and is it normal that he can still get her pregnant several weeks after
> being fixed.
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> > Jack, fixed but the other kitten would up pregnant. She is only 5 months
> > old. Is that normal/safe for her to get pregnant at such a young age?

Unfortunately it is normal..but not what you would call "safe".  Cats
sexually mature at "around" 6 months old but it's not uncommon for
them to mature younger.  One of the reasons that I think early spay/neuter
is a good idea (or at least not a bad one).  It's a little like a 13 year
old
girl getting pregnant.  Sure it's physically possible and happens too often
but that doesn't make it good for either the mother or the kittens.

As for the second part of your question.  No.."Jack" should not have
been able to get her pregnant.  Either his neutering didn't go as planned
or Jack isn't the father.  Call Maury and see if he can do a paternity
test for you.  :-)

AG
Brandie - 10 Sep 2004 07:31 GMT
LOL.. maybe i will. Apparently the neutering didn't go as planned b/c they
are both kept indoors. I never let them outside. I'm just worried about her
since she is so small..

> > and is it normal that he can still get her pregnant several weeks after
> > being fixed.
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>
> AG
M.C. Mullen - 10 Sep 2004 10:01 GMT
| LOL.. maybe i will. Apparently the neutering didn't go as planned b/c they
| are both kept indoors. I never let them outside. I'm just worried about her
| since she is so small..

It could well be that the kittens will be still born.
My vet says that a cat has to be neutered five weeks after the kittens are
born. It does not harm the milk production. If you wait longer and the cat
is already pregnant again, then the babies are already too big for an
abortion (that's at least what she said).

HTH  Carola
Orchid - 10 Sep 2004 19:23 GMT
>> and is it normal that he can still get her pregnant several weeks after
>> being fixed.

<snip>

>As for the second part of your question.  No.."Jack" should not have
>been able to get her pregnant.  Either his neutering didn't go as planned
>or Jack isn't the father.  Call Maury and see if he can do a paternity
>test for you.  :-)

    Actually, if they're indoor-only cats, Jack is definitely the
father.  While castration removes the testicles, there is still semen
and sperm in the vas deferns (the tubes running from the testicles to
the penis) and those sperm can remain viable for up to eight weeks.

    How pregnant is she?  There may still be time for a
spay/abortion.  Her body really is too young for kittens at 5 months,
and trying to take her to term could cause damage and/or death.


Orchid
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Rhonda - 11 Sep 2004 05:36 GMT
That's what I was thinking. A spay at this age is less dangerous than
letting her give birth.

Rhonda

>     How pregnant is she?  There may still be time for a
> spay/abortion.  Her body really is too young for kittens at 5 months,
> and trying to take her to term could cause damage and/or death.

> Orchid
> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
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Leslie - 10 Sep 2004 12:07 GMT
A male cat can remain fertile for up to two months after neutering.
                                                                         
                                                        "you can tell alot
about a people or person in how they treat animals"
Agua Girl - 10 Sep 2004 15:09 GMT
> A male cat can remain fertile for up to two months after neutering.
>
>                                                          "you can tell alot
> about a people or person in how they treat animals"

Wow... I had no idea.  I thought once you snipped it..that
was it.  I guess Jack could be the father after all.....color me
surprised.  I'm just glad I wasn't embarrassed to learn this on
national tv  :-)

AG
Sunflower - 11 Sep 2004 05:57 GMT
> I'm curious as to whether this has happened to anyone else. I have 2 kittens
> (I call them kittens b/c they are all under a year old) I recently had the
> Jack, fixed but the other kitten would up pregnant. She is only 5 months
> old. Is that normal/safe for her to get pregnant at such a young age?

Yes, he could still be the father.  It can take 6-8 weeks for fertility to
completely cease, and your vet should have told you this.

Please get your girl spayed ASAP! It's an emergency! She is awfully young to
be carrying kittens and it can adversely affect her health permanantly.  I
have a cat that was in a similar situation that I fostered from the Humane
Society.  We had her spayed, and she had complications and had to be
fostered for a month before she healed.  Because she was so young, and the
pregnancy was allowed to progress so long, her body put all of the nutrition
into the kittens instead of her still growing self and she never grew much
after that and still has some health problems.  Yes, after a month of
fostering her, I adopted her.  And she weighs about 3 pounds still at age 4.
If costs are of a concern, please visit www.spayusa.org/ for information on
low cost alternatives.  A spay now will be much cheaper than lots of medical
issues down the road as well as spaying and neutering and vaccinating all of
her kittens.
Brandie - 11 Sep 2004 10:45 GMT
i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
**FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
waste your time.

> > I'm curious as to whether this has happened to anyone else. I have 2
> kittens
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> issues down the road as well as spaying and neutering and vaccinating all of
> her kittens.
Orchid - 11 Sep 2004 15:18 GMT
>i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
>spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
>worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
>**FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
>waste your time.

    I'm curious as to how what Sunflower wrote was negative?  She
shared an experience with you, and that was pretty much that.

Orchid
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Brandie - 11 Sep 2004 19:59 GMT
I didn't mean what she wrote was negative in any way. I guess what i wrote
came out a little different that what i was trying to say. I know a lot of
people can be kinda rude and I just didn't want anyone to write rude things
when i am discussing my dilema.

> >i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> >spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
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> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Brandie - 11 Sep 2004 20:07 GMT
I appreciate all that has been written. I DID get my male neutered. Doesn't
anyone remember that I wrote that? I did that so she wouldn't get pregnant
but it happened anyway. I was planning on having my female spayed,  but I
wasn't even aware that you could get a cat spayed when she is pregnant. And,
yes I am a little squeamish about that, but if she isn't too far along I
will  get that done. I don't want to risk her life. Thanks for all your
input and suggestions.

> I didn't mean what she wrote was negative in any way. I guess what i wrote
> came out a little different that what i was trying to say. I know a lot of
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> > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> > Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Sunflower - 11 Sep 2004 16:37 GMT
> i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
> worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
> **FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
> waste your time.

If I wanted to tell you negative things I would tell you about the 16 cats
and kittens our very small shelter had to put down this week because of
overcrowding, and how even as that was being done, we still had 2 more
people with kitten surrenders at the door to give us more.  I would tell you
that it is a miracle that we are able to work so hard that we don't have to
euthanize 90% of the cats as they come in the door like so many cities do,
and that those numbers for us are still in the hundreds and not hundreds of
thousands.

I would tell you about the brain dead woman who was getting her female cat
fixed at our mobile clinic who wanted her children to experience the
"miracle of birth".  Those kittens were now 5 months old, mama cat was
pregnant again, the kittens weren't far behind in also getting pregnant,
none had ever been vaccinated, and she refused to even consider spaying and
neutering the kittens because "the new owners would do that".   Nevermind
the fact that she had been completely unsuccessful in trying to give away
the cats to even the most unscreened homes of pit bull bait collectors
already and also wanted to give them to us or anyone else trying to check in
for surgery.  She was offended when I told her that they might be euthanized
if she surrendered them and did she want her kids to experience the "miracle
of death" as well.  "What kind of a place kills cats?"  Well, the kind that
really *does* have to deal with the fact that cats overpopulate our country
and *accidental* litters are the reason. For every "oops" kitten that is
carried to term and finds a home, it means another two homeless cats
somewhere else die in their place.  Every "oops" kitten that finds a home
takes away one from a shelter cat, and that cat dies there.

And, the person who is too squeamish to spay their pregnant cat is directly
responsible for these deaths of the cats, even if they've never laid eyes on
the particular cats that die. I do lay eyes on them.  I try to make their
stay in "jail" as comfortable as possible.  And, when they don't find homes
because there are simply too many of them, I comfort them and stroke their
fur as the vet puts the needle in to euthanize them.

*That* is why I am so passionate about spaying and neutering your animals.
I personally have to deal with the consequences of those who fail to have
this done.  And, they're legion.  Step outside your personal little box at
the moment and think about what happens when your problem is one shared by
thousands. By millions.  Because, it is.  It might not seem that a single
litter of kittens can make a difference in pet overpopulation.  But it does.
Because thousands and millions of people feel the same way. Their little
"problem" won't really hurt anything or make a difference in how many pets
get put to sleep.  But, it does.  Until shelters are empty and no cats need
to be euthanized, there isn't a single moral reason in the world to bring a
litter of kittens into it.  Which brings up another point sideways. They're
cats.  Not humans.  So, even if you are the world's most staunch pro life
advocate, you're not talking eradicating human life here, so don't go
anthropomorphizing your cat.  You're talking a medical procedure on an
animal.  An animal whose health, behavior, and lifespan will be improved by
the proceedure.

I shared with you the medical reasons that it would be smart to have your
cat spayed now.  My Biscotti still has health issues from her early
pregnancy and I know of many other owners of similar cats.  If you are
willing to risk the permanant health and even death of your cat and are
willing to keep every one of her kittens and have them spayed and neutered
so they also don't "oops", then and only then can you be considered a
responsible pet owner.  If you think you can get by without health problems
to your cat, you may be right. It may be the kittens that end up with
permanant disabilities.  And, if you think you can simply find them homes
with your friends or turn them into a shelter, read what I wrote above.
Every "oops" kitten that is born kills a cat somewhere, even if you aren't
there to witness it.  If you choose to have her carry to term, this is
something you should know.  You're not getting away from killing cats just
because you don't want to abort.  It's just a little bit more out of your
sight and maybe you can not think of it as much.  Volunteer one single hour
at a shelter anywhere and rethink your position.
Agua Girl - 11 Sep 2004 18:35 GMT
Forgive the top posting but I didn't want to snip a single
word of what you wrote.  WELL SAID.

I don't understand people who want to discuss issues
but don't want to hear anything negative.  Do they think
the world is a positive place and life is just a party for
everyone and every thing?  The negative is as real (perhaps
more so) than the positive and if you want to be an adult and
make adult decisions than you have to hear both sides.

I had never heard about early spay/neuter until I rescued
a pregnant stray.  Now if could personally alter every
kitten born I would.

AG

> > i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> > spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that
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> sight and maybe you can not think of it as much.  Volunteer one single hour
> at a shelter anywhere and rethink your position.
Rhonda - 12 Sep 2004 00:04 GMT
Brandie,

I would be very afraid to let her carry to term. She may not make it.

If she does give birth, she may not know what to do with the kittens
since she is so young. Be prepared to hand-feed them. I think that has
to be done about every 3 hours.

Rhonda

> i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
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>
>>her kittens.
Sherry - 12 Sep 2004 06:33 GMT
>i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
>spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
>worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
>**FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
>waste your time.

I understand how you feel about spaying her. Honestly, a part of me would feel
bad too, but I'd do it. She's just way too young. Spaying early-term pregnant
females isn't at all unusual.

Sherry
Amanda Jones - 12 Sep 2004 19:53 GMT
> i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices
> of
> spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that
> really
> worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies
> either.

I think I'd find it really difficult too - but if there's a choice between
her health, and the kittens, I think I'd be inclined to choose the
already-alive cat. Especially as the kittens may well not come out of the
pregnancy in good shape either.

What did your vet say?
zuzu22@webtv.net - 12 Sep 2004 00:46 GMT
You need to get this kitten spayed ASAP. It is much more dangerous for
her to have kittens at her VERY young age than it is to get her spayed.
Please make an appointment right away. It is still safe to do the spay
now and would be the best thing all around.

Megan

                                   
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Enfilade - 14 Sep 2004 02:47 GMT
In nature odds are the kittens AND the mother cat would all die from
this.

I think you should abort the kittens and get her spayed.  For her own
health.

And yes, orphan/neglected kittens that young need to be fed every 3
hours AROUND THE CLOCK, and also have their bums wiped with a warm
cloth because they can't pee/poo unaided.  Been there, done that...

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