> I'm curious as to whether this has happened to anyone else. I have 2 kittens
> (I call them kittens b/c they are all under a year old) I recently had the
> Jack, fixed but the other kitten would up pregnant. She is only 5 months
> old. Is that normal/safe for her to get pregnant at such a young age?
i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
**FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
waste your time.
> > I'm curious as to whether this has happened to anyone else. I have 2
> kittens
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> issues down the road as well as spaying and neutering and vaccinating all of
> her kittens.
Orchid - 11 Sep 2004 15:18 GMT
>i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
>spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
>worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
>**FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
>waste your time.
I'm curious as to how what Sunflower wrote was negative? She
shared an experience with you, and that was pretty much that.
Orchid
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Brandie - 11 Sep 2004 19:59 GMT
I didn't mean what she wrote was negative in any way. I guess what i wrote
came out a little different that what i was trying to say. I know a lot of
people can be kinda rude and I just didn't want anyone to write rude things
when i am discussing my dilema.
> >i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> >spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
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> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Brandie - 11 Sep 2004 20:07 GMT
I appreciate all that has been written. I DID get my male neutered. Doesn't
anyone remember that I wrote that? I did that so she wouldn't get pregnant
but it happened anyway. I was planning on having my female spayed, but I
wasn't even aware that you could get a cat spayed when she is pregnant. And,
yes I am a little squeamish about that, but if she isn't too far along I
will get that done. I don't want to risk her life. Thanks for all your
input and suggestions.
> I didn't mean what she wrote was negative in any way. I guess what i wrote
> came out a little different that what i was trying to say. I know a lot of
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> > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Sunflower - 11 Sep 2004 16:37 GMT
> i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
> worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
> **FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
> waste your time.
If I wanted to tell you negative things I would tell you about the 16 cats
and kittens our very small shelter had to put down this week because of
overcrowding, and how even as that was being done, we still had 2 more
people with kitten surrenders at the door to give us more. I would tell you
that it is a miracle that we are able to work so hard that we don't have to
euthanize 90% of the cats as they come in the door like so many cities do,
and that those numbers for us are still in the hundreds and not hundreds of
thousands.
I would tell you about the brain dead woman who was getting her female cat
fixed at our mobile clinic who wanted her children to experience the
"miracle of birth". Those kittens were now 5 months old, mama cat was
pregnant again, the kittens weren't far behind in also getting pregnant,
none had ever been vaccinated, and she refused to even consider spaying and
neutering the kittens because "the new owners would do that". Nevermind
the fact that she had been completely unsuccessful in trying to give away
the cats to even the most unscreened homes of pit bull bait collectors
already and also wanted to give them to us or anyone else trying to check in
for surgery. She was offended when I told her that they might be euthanized
if she surrendered them and did she want her kids to experience the "miracle
of death" as well. "What kind of a place kills cats?" Well, the kind that
really *does* have to deal with the fact that cats overpopulate our country
and *accidental* litters are the reason. For every "oops" kitten that is
carried to term and finds a home, it means another two homeless cats
somewhere else die in their place. Every "oops" kitten that finds a home
takes away one from a shelter cat, and that cat dies there.
And, the person who is too squeamish to spay their pregnant cat is directly
responsible for these deaths of the cats, even if they've never laid eyes on
the particular cats that die. I do lay eyes on them. I try to make their
stay in "jail" as comfortable as possible. And, when they don't find homes
because there are simply too many of them, I comfort them and stroke their
fur as the vet puts the needle in to euthanize them.
*That* is why I am so passionate about spaying and neutering your animals.
I personally have to deal with the consequences of those who fail to have
this done. And, they're legion. Step outside your personal little box at
the moment and think about what happens when your problem is one shared by
thousands. By millions. Because, it is. It might not seem that a single
litter of kittens can make a difference in pet overpopulation. But it does.
Because thousands and millions of people feel the same way. Their little
"problem" won't really hurt anything or make a difference in how many pets
get put to sleep. But, it does. Until shelters are empty and no cats need
to be euthanized, there isn't a single moral reason in the world to bring a
litter of kittens into it. Which brings up another point sideways. They're
cats. Not humans. So, even if you are the world's most staunch pro life
advocate, you're not talking eradicating human life here, so don't go
anthropomorphizing your cat. You're talking a medical procedure on an
animal. An animal whose health, behavior, and lifespan will be improved by
the proceedure.
I shared with you the medical reasons that it would be smart to have your
cat spayed now. My Biscotti still has health issues from her early
pregnancy and I know of many other owners of similar cats. If you are
willing to risk the permanant health and even death of your cat and are
willing to keep every one of her kittens and have them spayed and neutered
so they also don't "oops", then and only then can you be considered a
responsible pet owner. If you think you can get by without health problems
to your cat, you may be right. It may be the kittens that end up with
permanant disabilities. And, if you think you can simply find them homes
with your friends or turn them into a shelter, read what I wrote above.
Every "oops" kitten that is born kills a cat somewhere, even if you aren't
there to witness it. If you choose to have her carry to term, this is
something you should know. You're not getting away from killing cats just
because you don't want to abort. It's just a little bit more out of your
sight and maybe you can not think of it as much. Volunteer one single hour
at a shelter anywhere and rethink your position.
Agua Girl - 11 Sep 2004 18:35 GMT
Forgive the top posting but I didn't want to snip a single
word of what you wrote. WELL SAID.
I don't understand people who want to discuss issues
but don't want to hear anything negative. Do they think
the world is a positive place and life is just a party for
everyone and every thing? The negative is as real (perhaps
more so) than the positive and if you want to be an adult and
make adult decisions than you have to hear both sides.
I had never heard about early spay/neuter until I rescued
a pregnant stray. Now if could personally alter every
kitten born I would.
AG
> > i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> > spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that
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> sight and maybe you can not think of it as much. Volunteer one single hour
> at a shelter anywhere and rethink your position.
Rhonda - 12 Sep 2004 00:04 GMT
Brandie,
I would be very afraid to let her carry to term. She may not make it.
If she does give birth, she may not know what to do with the kittens
since she is so young. Be prepared to hand-feed them. I think that has
to be done about every 3 hours.
Rhonda
> i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
> spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
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>
>>her kittens.
Sherry - 12 Sep 2004 06:33 GMT
>i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices of
>spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that really
>worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies either.
>**FYI** If you are going to write negative things, please don't bother to
>waste your time.
I understand how you feel about spaying her. Honestly, a part of me would feel
bad too, but I'd do it. She's just way too young. Spaying early-term pregnant
females isn't at all unusual.
Sherry
Amanda Jones - 12 Sep 2004 19:53 GMT
> i know that she isn't terribly far along but i am torn with the choices
> of
> spaying/aborting and letting her carry. I know she is small and that
> really
> worries me, but at the same time i don't want to abort her babies
> either.
I think I'd find it really difficult too - but if there's a choice between
her health, and the kittens, I think I'd be inclined to choose the
already-alive cat. Especially as the kittens may well not come out of the
pregnancy in good shape either.
What did your vet say?