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Cat Forum / General Topics / August 2004Crying over injured or dying pets?
I'm looking to read about your personal tear-jerking experiences concerning pets that were dying or injured. My co-workers Pomeranian (almost 11 years old) has been very sick for about the last month. She has to pay a horrendous vet bill for about $1200. If you had to pay a horrendous vet bill to _try_ (not guaranteed) to save a pet, do you have a financial limit as to how far you would go? == "Husbands are like fires. They go out if unattended." -- Zsa Zsa Gabor > I'm looking to read about your personal tear-jerking > experiences concerning pets that were dying or injured. Please use Google Groups. There are many, many tales each month about how much people are willing to spend on their pets. You are asking them to rewrite their stories because you are unable or unwilling to learn to read past articles. --Tim May come on Tim.. ease up! My cat is in hospital at the moment, and its going to cost me around $400-550. I think this is a lot of money, but if I had kids, I wouldnt worry about how much.. and Kurt gives me as much joy as kids would (maybe).. so why would I put him at risk by putting off treatment?? If you love them, the money shouldnt be an issue.. Most good vets will let you have a payment plan. : ) > > I'm looking to read about your personal tear-jerking > > experiences concerning pets that were dying or injured. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > --Tim May > come on Tim.. ease up! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you love them, the money shouldnt be an issue.. > Most good vets will let you have a payment plan. That wasn't my point. Reread what I wrote. My point was that anyone asking for "yet more sorrow stories" when so many have already been written is either ignorant of Google or has some other agenda. As for spending money, spend your own money as you wish. But don't ask for any of my money to be taken from me if you are someday penniless...for that, you would need to be killed (as so many of the negro beggars so richly need to be rounded up and sent up in smoke for their thefts). I have long owned cats. I value them (a lot more than I value the fifty million Democrats, Jews, and negroes who keep stealing from me). However, it ALMOST NEVER works to spend money on them when they are very sick, very old. Just as it doesn't with people. It's how are doctors and hospitals make their big bucks, by collecting $1800 a day for patients in their last 6 months of life: their plan is to insert a transfer tube into the accounts of the suckers and extract all that is there. When an animal is old and sick, let him go. He won't care. He doesn't have some "life mission" left unfinished. And the only reason the human cares is because of a) missing the animal (which I certainly do, when it has happened!), and b) some strange displacement idea that an animal is a child (not that, abstractly, the case with a child is much different...think about it). Those who spend money they don't have (or will need for other, human things) on prolonging the life of an animal deserve what happens to them. Think about it. --Tim May My cat Amber has had two trips to the vets in the last 24 months, both occasions the bill was approx $650. After the first $650 visit, I decided to get pet insurance which paid approx 80% of the second bill. I will say that knowing that the insurance is in place gives me a peace of mind, I am not afraid to ask for certain tests or xrays etc, or to take the vets advice and have the recommended tests etc We also board both our cats at the same place and there is a question on the boarding form that asks how much are you willing to spend it the cat gets sick while boarded, we always tick 'unlimited' because what price do you put on love. Ardna > > come on Tim.. ease up! > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > --Tim May you racist pig: > As for spending money, spend your own money as you wish. But don't ask > for any of my money to be taken from me if you are someday > penniless...for that, you would need to be killed (as so many of the > negro beggars so richly need to be rounded up and sent up in smoke for > their thefts). Not all beggars are negros. and not all beggers are living on the streets by choice. > I have long owned cats. I value them (a lot more than I value the fifty > million Democrats, Jews, and negroes who keep stealing from me). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > When an animal is old and sick, let him go. He won't care. He doesn't > have some "life mission" left unfinished. You would never know even if he did.... And the only reason the human > cares is because of a) missing the animal (which I certainly do, when > it has happened!), and b) some strange displacement idea that an animal [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > --Tim May I prolong the life of my pets because a) I cannot have children... so yes, somehow my pets are a replacement b) I love them c) I dont like to see any animal suffer... If you were my pet, i'd just hope and pray that you ran away! hehehe | I prolong the life of my pets because | a) I cannot have children... so yes, somehow my pets are a replacement | b) I love them | c) I dont like to see any animal suffer... | | If you were my pet, i'd just hope and pray that you ran away! hehehe Erm ... you forgot d) I can afford it Not everybody can, you know. Carola >Not all beggars are negros. and not all beggers are living on the streets >by choice. I would point out around here 25% of the homeless are veterans who served and wounded in past wars. They put their lives on the line to defend us in the time of war and we rapay them by keeping them homeless. Think about that when your son/daughter goes off to Iraq. Another 25% are mental patients who never should have been released from a mental hospital years ago. But they were. Around here many of the homeless are families. One or more parents work full time during the day and then at night are homeless becuase they can't afford the astronomical rents/housing costs around here. Some of the homeless are there as a result of bank fraud. Some banks sold "mortgages/home improvement" loans with interest rates of 35% in poor sections of town knowing the loan recipient would have to defualt and loose their house. Some of the homeless are there through corporate fraud. I have an uncle who had a nice retirement nest egg back in the 60s. The corporation was bought by a french company, the pension "vanished into thin air" and now he is in desperate straights. This is a guy who came home for a few months during World War 2 to say good bye to freinds and family. The idea is his military unit was chosen to run a suicide mission, they were going to invade enemy lines, most of them would probably die. Luckily the war ended before that became necessary. Don't be so quick to label the homeless....... >> I have long owned cats. I value them (a lot more than I value the fifty >> million Democrats, Jews, and negroes who keep stealing from me). [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >If you were my pet, i'd just hope and pray that you ran away! hehehe ease up... some people dont have the time to sit and search groups... let alone know how to do it... if you dont want to sit and type a reply, no one's holding a gun to your head... is all I was trying to say.. but u seem to enjoy sharing your opinion... so why not share your experiences too?? > > come on Tim.. ease up! > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > --Tim May > ease up... some people dont have the time to sit and search groups... let > alone know how to do it... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is all I was trying to say.. but u seem to enjoy sharing your opinion... so > why not share your experiences too?? Ditzy bint. Whether I wish to share my opinion on how easy it is to use Google Groups (hint: use your browser and go to www.google.com and then do the obvious things) has nothing to do with writing articles to, supposedly, help you with your, supposed, friend's dog situation. People like you ought to be gassed and sent up the smokestacks. --Tim May for a start.. it's not my friends dogs situation... stop being such a f.cking a.shole. I personally dont need instructions on using Google.. I've been on the net longer than Google you prick. > > ease up... some people dont have the time to sit and search groups... let > > alone know how to do it... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > --Tim May > for a start.. it's not my friends dogs situation... > > stop being such a f.cking a.shole. > > I personally dont need instructions on using Google.. I've been on the net > longer than Google you prick. You misspelled "longer than I gobbled your prick". --Geno > for a start.. it's not my friends dogs situation... > > stop being such a f.cking a.shole. > > I personally dont need instructions on using Google.. I've been on the net > longer than Google you prick. Just killfile this prick. I did. > > ease up... some people dont have the time to sit and search groups... let > > alone know how to do it... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > --Tim May I suppose you're trying to get a rise out of people by being so offensive with your racial slurs. When someone displays such bigoted thinking as you have, I tend to discount any other point they try to make. Actually I usually stop reading when I encounter such tripe. Not the best way to make a point if in fact you're trying to make one. W Amen, Wendy - this "Tim May" sounds like a holdover bigot from the 50's (1950's or 1850's, take your pick). He has nothing worthwhile to offer this group, so he's entering my killfile.  SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > > > ease up... some people dont have the time to sit and search groups... > let [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > W |>That wasn't my point. Reread what I wrote. My point was that anyone >asking for "yet more sorrow stories" when so many have already been >written is either ignorant of Google or has some other agenda. The OP has a good point. Maybe the original poster hates cats and wants to cause undue stress to an already greaving cat lover who just lost their close companion of xxxxxxx years. As far as how much do you spend on a cat for treatment? That is something to talk to your vet about, factors to consider with the vet is how much pain the cat is in, whether the cat is suffering, whether the cat is eating and drinking. A good vet is invaluable at a time like this. That is what they go to school all those years for. > |>That wasn't my point. Reread what I wrote. My point was that anyone > >asking for "yet more sorrow stories" when so many have already been [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > A good vet is invaluable at a time like this. That is what they > go to school all those years for. I agree completely. I have studied a lot about cats, especially behaviour, and have a few of well-read veterinary texts and manuals, but I don't think that I know more than my vet does. When we decided to have our silver tabby put to sleep, we had many factors to consider. His survival chances where only about 10%, and he was in pain. -Silver "I love cats because I enjoy my home; & little by little, they become its visible soul." - Jean Cocteau 1889-1963. > > come on Tim.. ease up! > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > --Tim May your an a.shole >I have long owned cats. I value them (a lot more than I value the fifty >million Democrats, Jews, and negroes who keep stealing from me). [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >--Tim May I am thinking about it. I am thinking that you are a vicious, disgusting bigot. I am a hospice nurse with a dog and several cats and they will continue to get my care and attention, which IS a "human thing" to me. Stay just as you are, Tim, which is the worst fate I can offer you. Cyn > I have long owned cats. I value them (a lot more than I value the fifty > million Democrats, Jews, and negroes who keep stealing from me). So when White Christian Republicans are in office, you don't pay taxes? > However, it ALMOST NEVER works to spend money on them when they are > very sick, very old. True, but that's not the only scenario in which big bucks might be accrued. Let's say an evil African Jewish Democrat were to leave a dish of tuna with rat poison for your kitties to eat. Would you pay to have their stomachs pumped? Myself, I just paid $500 to have some benign fatty deposits removed from my 11-year old basset hound. It is a genetic defect of the breed - not life threatening or pain causing in any way. Yet, the humane society laws (no doubt the product of White Christian Tax-Dodging Republicans) state that I have to have them removed, or it would be considered "inhumane". Should I send my hound up the smokestacks because of some paper written by old, bitter, white Christian Republican tax-dodging software engineers that have nothing better to do than snipe at people over the Internet? > I'm looking to read about your personal tear-jerking > experiences concerning pets that were dying or injured. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (not guaranteed) to save a pet, do you have a financial limit as to > how far you would go? Money wouldn't be the primary concern. The animal's prognosis, pain level, suffering, and quality of life would be the determining factor of "how far" I would go. And those questions are answered by the veterinarian and by the animal, not by the pocketbook. Tirya SignatureTDC Inca Jeeper "The painkillers are rather good, actually..." | I'm looking to read about your personal tear-jerking | experiences concerning pets that were dying or injured. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | (not guaranteed) to save a pet, do you have a financial limit as to | how far you would go? It depends on the age of the pet. In this case I'd only ease the pain and invest the rest of the $1200 getting a new pet. Of course it's not the same as the old one, but it's also the course of life. I'd make the best of the remaining time with the sick pet and spoil it rotten with love and treats. Carola > "Ablang" <HilaryEverAfter08092004@ablang-duff.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > | My co-workers Pomeranian (almost 11 years old) has been very > | sick for about the last month. She has to pay a horrendous vet bill > | for about $1200. If you had to pay a horrendous vet bill to _try_ > | (not guaranteed) to save a pet, do you have a financial limit as to > | how far you would go? I just spent $1200.00 for a single treatment for my hyperthyroid cat Misty. There's about a 98% chance that the treatment will have killed the tumour on her thyroid gland and she will have many more happy years. I consider it money well spent. My older cat Ceili has cancer and is going to die. Six thousand dollars of treatment *might* prolong her life for 6 - 8 months...but she is still going to die. Because the treatment would be painful for her and make her miserable, I won't be treating agressively. My h0p became ill over three years ago. He has seizures, a heart murmer, inflammatory bowel disease, and a bad liver. I have spent well over $10,000.00 for his care including the money I was saving to buy a house, and wouldn't have done it any other way. Dee > > "Ablang" <HilaryEverAfter08092004@ablang-duff.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > $10,000.00 for his care including the money I was saving to buy a house, > and wouldn't have done it any other way. Your choice. But when you are homeless, or indigent, don't ask us or any other taxpayer for money. --Tim May Tim, when YOU are homeless, we will be there with open hands and hearts. Shows the difference between those of us that give love unconfditioanlly, and don't put a price on it, and you, who behave like a horse's a.s. > Your choice. But when you are homeless, or indigent, don't ask us or > any other taxpayer for money. > > --Tim May wow.......what happened to my spellcheck?? I really slaughtered "unconditionally"!! > Tim, when YOU are homeless, we will be there with open hands and hearts. > Shows the difference between those of us that give love unconfditioanlly, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > --Tim May > Tim, when YOU are homeless, we will be there with open hands and hearts. First, that won't happen, that I am homeless or destitute. Lots of reasons why this is so, but, trust me, the sun would have to burn out first. Second, NO YOU WON't "be there with open hands and hearts." This is idiocy for you even to make a silly claim of this sort. You are certainly "not there with open hands and hearts" for other destitute people. (Someone I knew in the 1980s and early 80s was a notorious spender. He "lived for today," buying expensive meals and toys, saving nothing at all. He always assumed, he told me, that "something would come his way." Well, as he got older and as the software industry changed, he got fewer and fewer consulting contracts. He moved to Colorado for a few years. Housing was cheaper than in the Bay Area, but his financial situation continued to dim. He moved again. Things dimmed further. His lack of investments and savings--he had never bought a house, by the way--caught up with him. He recently shot and killed himself. This is what happens when people are careless about planning for the future and rely on "we will be there with open hands and hearts." Speaking of which, where WERE you when he ran out of money? He was counting on your open hands and hearts.) > Shows the difference between those of us that give love unconfditioanlly, > and don't put a price on it, and you, who behave like a horse's a.s. > > > Your choice. But when you are homeless, or indigent, don't ask us or > > any other taxpayer for money. Spending money you don't have, and can't afford to not have, to "give live unconditionally" (translation: "spend my rent money to extend my cat's life by 2 painful-for-her months") is the epitaph of someone who will likely do what my acquaintance did someday. --Tim May Tim, your sensitivity and good will are really heart warming. Just got back here after a long time, and I already have one for the killfile. Bye, you cold, racist man. > Tim, when YOU are homeless, we will be there with open hands and hearts. ...not me :D Dee > Your choice. But when you are homeless, or indigent, don't ask us or > any other taxpayer for money. > > --Tim May I've been paying taxes for $30.00 years Tim, and I've nevewr asked you or anyone else for a time, so shove it. >> "Ablang" <HilaryEverAfter08092004@ablang-duff.com> schrieb im >> Newsbeitrag [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Dee Ever consider pet insurance? It covers most ailments/procedures. Medical care is way too expensive, for pets and humans. The system's broken. The medical industry needs an enema. I manage a storage facility that has a lot of pharmaceutical sales reps. One of them drives an '04 Corvette; another drives a BMW 7 series. Ridiculous. There's no ethics in the system, just greed. > Ever consider pet insurance? It covers most ailments/procedures. Medical > care is way too expensive, for pets and humans. The system's broken. The > medical industry needs an enema. I manage a storage facility that has a > lot of pharmaceutical sales reps. One of them drives an '04 Corvette; > another drives a BMW 7 series. Ridiculous. There's no ethics in the > system, just greed. I have pet insurance for 3 of my cats, the others had pre-existing conditions or were too old and weren't insurable. The insurance is a big help but not great. As an example, I was just reimbursed $619.00 for a $1200.00 procedure ...definitely better than nothing. I won't have pets without insurance again as long as it's an option. Dee >> Ever consider pet insurance? It covers most ailments/procedures. Medical >> care is way too expensive, for pets and humans. The system's broken. The >> medical industry needs an enema. I manage a storage facility that has a >> lot of pharmaceutical sales reps. One of them drives an '04 Corvette; >> another drives a BMW 7 series. Ridiculous. There's no ethics in the >> system, just greed. >I have pet insurance for 3 of my cats, the others had pre-existing >conditions or were too old and weren't insurable. The insurance is a big >help but not great. As an example, I was just reimbursed $619.00 for a >$1200.00 procedure ...definitely better than nothing. I won't have pets >without insurance again as long as it's an option. I'm leary about pet health insurance. Insurance companies make money, not by paying claims, but by not paying claims. I dread the idea of fighting with some insurance beaurecrat who insists that I have to put my 19 year old cat to sleep because they consider it a lost cause. It's my cat, I prefer to be in total control of the treatment process. Ablang HilaryEverAfter08092004@ablang-duff.com writes >I'm looking to read about your >personal tear-jerking >experiences concerning pets that >were dying or injured. For your own pleasure or for a scholarly documentation? I'd go as far as I had too to get the animal well. Their love and loyalty deserves the same in return. Iain >sick for about the last month. She has to pay a horrendous vet bill >for about $1200. If you had to pay a horrendous vet bill to _try_ [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >== > "Husbands are like fires. They go out if unattended." -- Zsa Zsa Gabor
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