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Shirley Smith - 19 Jul 2004 23:50 GMT
Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  PetSmart
has them and I was told they have a 30 day return policy.  So, I guess my
money is not in jeopardy, but wonder how they are to use and what about
cleaning them.
Thanks in advance.
Shirley
Amy Gray - 20 Jul 2004 01:51 GMT
>Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
>getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  PetSmart
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Thanks in advance.
>Shirley

I had a litter maid, hated it.  Don't bother.   It was a peice of
junk.
Shirley Smith - 20 Jul 2004 18:04 GMT
Hi Amy,

If  you don't mind, could you tell me what you didn't like about it?
$159.00 is a lot of money and after 30 days, I would be stuck with it if it
didn't work for me.  The reason I am interested in this is, as I get older,
it is getting more difficult to work the basic litter box.  I was hoping
this might be a way to keep the box cleaner more often.
Thanks again,
Shirley

> >Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
> >getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  PetSmart
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I had a litter maid, hated it.  Don't bother.   It was a peice of
> junk.
Amy Gray - 20 Jul 2004 19:12 GMT
>If  you don't mind, could you tell me what you didn't like about it?
>$159.00 is a lot of money and after 30 days, I would be stuck with it if it
>didn't work for me.  The reason I am interested in this is, as I get older,
>it is getting more difficult to work the basic litter box.  I was hoping
>this might be a way to keep the box cleaner more often.
What I didn't like about the Littermaid:
1.   They advertise it works on batteries.  Actually needs AC adapter
as when they designed the littter maid they made the compartment
smaller than what would actually be needed to power the unit.  
2.   If you do run it on AC geet an AC adapter from Radio Shack.
They one they provide is a piece of junk.
3.   No matter what you do the sensor will stop working after
a few months.   No matter how often you clean it, attempt to
remove the dust/dirt/deposis on the sensor it will stop working.    
4.  Watch the wires going to the cleaning bar.  They will get tangled
and may well break.  Could have been designed better.
5.  The device clogs very easily.   Doesn't take very much to
jam the machine.
Ted Davis - 20 Jul 2004 21:58 GMT
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>The reason I am interested in this is, as I get older,
>it is getting more difficult to work the basic litter box.  I was hoping
>this might be a way to keep the box cleaner more often.

I'm getting older, and have a bad back.  I am installing wide shelves
to raise the litter pans (six of them) up so I don't have to bend over
and lift from the floor.  I have found that for a production line like
mine, the sifting trays work well, and if at waist level require
little effort to lift and dump, though there is always some litter
going on the floor to be swept up, and most litters leave wet lumps in
the the sieve: I pry them loose with a paint scraper and put the sieve
back in use - the remains will dry out by next time.  I wash only one
pan set most times: a fresh one replaces the first, the litter from
the second goes into the first and so on down the line.

Fortunately, I have a room constructed with litter pans in mind:
exhaust fan, utility sink, scrubbable plastic panels on the lower part
of the wall, seamless vinyl floor covering, etc.  The room was built
for the cats with the center used as a mud room - litter pans to one
end under the exhaust fan, picture window with shelves, food and water
bowls, sink, etc. on the other end.  The walls are unfinished
sheetrock so I can do pretty much what I want in the way of
modifications.

T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
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Amy Gray - 20 Jul 2004 23:08 GMT
>I'm getting older, and have a bad back.  I am installing wide shelves
>to raise the litter pans (six of them) up so I don't have to bend over
>and lift from the floor.
Another idea is to get a few "benches" from your local store,
(K-Mart).
Ted Davis - 21 Jul 2004 01:27 GMT
>>I'm getting older, and have a bad back.  I am installing wide shelves
>>to raise the litter pans (six of them) up so I don't have to bend over
>>and lift from the floor.
>Another idea is to get a few "benches" from your local store,
>(K-Mart).  

I have power tools.  

Actually, I tested this with a row of folding wooden TV tables (from
Walmart) - I use three of them now, though I do still have to pick the
pans up off the floor.

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Amy Gray - 21 Jul 2004 18:40 GMT
>I have power tools.  
All the better.

>Actually, I tested this with a row of folding wooden TV tables (from
>Walmart) - I use three of them now, though I do still have to pick the
>pans up off the floor.
A few years ago after an operation I got benches to place the
liiter box on, the litter box stayed on the benches 24/7 so
the box  never needed to be moved.

The benches were strong enough not only to hold  the
litter box + the cat using the box + me when I would sit
on it to clean the box.
M.C. Mullen - 21 Jul 2004 18:20 GMT
| Fortunately, I have a room constructed with litter pans in mind:
| exhaust fan, utility sink, scrubbable plastic panels on the lower part
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
| sheetrock so I can do pretty much what I want in the way of
| modifications.

Ted, you're an awful man ;-)
How did cats ever get such a hold on you and twist you around their claws?
(I'm considering getting my third one ... I must be crazy - but I just
cannot resist young cats!)

How about your *dogs*, are they fine?

Carola
Ted Davis - 21 Jul 2004 21:59 GMT
>| Fortunately, I have a room constructed with litter pans in mind:
>| exhaust fan, utility sink, scrubbable plastic panels on the lower part
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>
>How about your *dogs*, are they fine?

I got the two dogs to keep the possums out of the cat flap.  That
worked, but the cure is worse than the disease:  the loose dogs in the
area have formed a pack that hangs out in my back yard - up to a total
of eight dogs, five of them hostile.  They threaten me and most of the
cats have given up on going outside.  

It appears that since my dogs are loose, but cannot leave the back
yard because of the radio fence, the pack has taken up near residence
where they can be.  The dogs are on offer - I'll post an offer of the
dogs together or separately and throw in all the radio fence stuff,
the dog house, bowls, etc. as soon as I can get a few minutes to write
and test it (it will be in HTML).

Otherwise the dogs are as fine as the cats.

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ParrotRob - 26 Jul 2004 03:52 GMT
> >Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
> >getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  PetSmart
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I had a litter maid, hated it.  Don't bother.   It was a peice of
> junk.

And I have some that six cats have been using for years with very few
problems.  I recently had to replace a spring that cost about 20 bucks on a
unit that's about 3 or 4 years old - but other than that and the relatively
infrequent jam, no problems at all.
theteamom - 27 Jul 2004 06:55 GMT
For a wealth of information on automatic litter boxes, see
http://www.litterbox-central.com. People post the triumphs &
frustrations with various kinds of automatic cat boxes, and share tips
on getting the best use out of the various types. Clearly there is an
army of cat lovers ready to beat a path to the door of anyone who can
build a really fuss-free cat box.

I tried the LitterMaid years ago, and it was frustrating for me. I've
also tried the LitterFree, but my cats don't believe in pellet-sized
litter, so they never used it. Watch for it on EBAY.

Based on the postings on litterbox-central, I've just ordered a Litter
Robot. It might be the triumph of hope over experience. It might be my
geeky delight in gadgets. But with an 18 month guarantee, all I'm
really risking is shipping and handling.

> > >Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
> > >getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> unit that's about 3 or 4 years old - but other than that and the relatively
> infrequent jam, no problems at all.
goatgirl - 20 Jul 2004 15:59 GMT
cumbersome and fussy gadgets, they are. mine worked for a couple of months,
then one day decided to keep cycling...every five minutes, cat or not.
(because i work away from home with no one to stay with cats, i would turn
it off when i left, turn it on when i got home, so it wasn't like it was
getting over taxed)

darn hard to keep clean too...tracks and opticals had to be kept free of
debris, etc etc.

then i got a Deaf cat, and such a devise is ill-advised with any sort of
disability. Deaf cats in particular (probably not your problem, but...)
because they cannot hear the motor if a malfunction should occur and because
they are inordinatly attracted to anything that moves would be poor
candidates for littermaid.

needless to say, it went to the dump.
Shirley Smith - 20 Jul 2004 18:09 GMT
Hi goatgirl,

Thanks so much for your input...I have also asked Amy to be more specific
about her experience.  I guess one thing I am concerned about is after a
period of time, I know the litter must be replaced.  Is that a difficult
task?  My kitty is normal in all ways...I do see the problem if the cat is
deaf.  The guy at PetSmart said he would recommend spraying Pam in the box
before putting litter in...he said it helps move the solids easier.  All I
could think of when he said that, was seeing something getting gunky with
the Pam.

Thanks,
Shirley

> cumbersome and fussy gadgets, they are. mine worked for a couple of months,
> then one day decided to keep cycling...every five minutes, cat or not.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> needless to say, it went to the dump.
Amy Gray - 20 Jul 2004 19:20 GMT
>The guy at PetSmart said he would recommend spraying Pam in the box
>before putting litter in...he said it helps move the solids easier.  All I
>could think of when he said that, was seeing something getting gunky with
>the Pam.
Would seem to me the litter would get all gunky.   I have no idea how
a deaf cat would handle it.   I've never had a deaf cat.
Sparky Polastri - 20 Jul 2004 20:13 GMT
> Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
> getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  PetSmart
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks in advance.
> Shirley

Get the AC adapter (or from RatShack or whatever) as the other poster
suggested.

The "max fill line" is really that, put in _slightly more_ than that and the
thing will jam.

The tracks on mine have worked great for 2 years, same with the cabling.

The teeth on the rake may break off after time, reducing it's functionality
somewhat.

It's noisy.

The bins are sort of hard to get out, and you usually end up mussing your
hands.  Keep your face directed away, as the plastic will "spring" and
sometimes scatter bits of litter when you pull on the bin.

Bins are not as readily available as one might like.  Get several boxes at a
time (should you choose to keep the unit).

The timer is reset every time there is motion.  Therefore, any cat or person
(deaf or not) should not have to tangle with the rake.  Though it could use
two sensors, not just one in the center.

Rake tines are fairly wide apart, so bits of debris will remain, it still
needs attention... though less frequently than a regular box.

Cleaning is easy to do with a dustpan.  Just scoop out litter and replace
with fresh.  Or just top it off.

No sticking to the bottom has occured on mine. (TidyCat brand litter)

Some cats may make a mess mussing litter around, likewise if they habitually
use one corner the litter balance will get out of whack, causing the jamming
condition. (Partial cycle, followed by an abort reset, followed by a partial
cycle, etc.)

Those are my observations.  I would probably purchase one based on my
experience. (Mine came with a cat.)
Amy Gray - 20 Jul 2004 20:33 GMT
>The timer is reset every time there is motion.  Therefore, any cat or person
>(deaf or not) should not have to tangle with the rake.  Though it could use
>two sensors, not just one in the center.
Note that if debris jams the unit it will run continue to run.   You
may have to manually stop the unit.

>Some cats may make a mess mussing litter around, likewise if they habitually
>use one corner the litter balance will get out of whack, causing the jamming
>condition. (Partial cycle, followed by an abort reset, followed by a partial
>cycle, etc.)
One of the problems is my cats got out of the habbit of burying their
stuff.   They still don't.    

>Those are my observations.  I would probably purchase one based on my
>experience. (Mine came with a cat.)
When I got my littemaid the cat was not included.

I would not buy one.  

Also one of my cats tended to go too close to the edge (near the
plastic catcher) and would get the floor wet.
Shirley Smith - 21 Jul 2004 02:26 GMT
Thank you to all who have taken the time to reply to this.  You all have
given me a lot to think about.  I guess if they were a little cheaper, it
wouldn't be such a big investment and I would be tempted to take a chance.
I think for now, I will just pass on it and see if they make a better one
down the road.
Thank you to all of you!!
Shirley

> Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
> getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  PetSmart
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks in advance.
> Shirley
brand - 23 Jul 2004 04:59 GMT
> Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
> getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  PetSmart
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks in advance.
> Shirley

I had one. The motor died after 6 months. I'll never buy one again. I spent
more time unclogging it than I do cleaning my regular cat box.
DeeEss57 - 26 Jul 2004 02:35 GMT
>> Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
>> getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I had one. The motor died after 6 months. I'll never buy one again. I spent
>more time unclogging it than I do cleaning my regular cat box.

We had one too. Never had any problems with clogging, but the damn thing died
after about two months. And it sounds like this is a common problem. You'd
think the manufacturer would so something about that, considering how expensive
the thing is.

DES

Save 1 life and you're a hero.
Save 230 million and you're a Starfleet officer.

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Amanda Jones - 27 Jul 2004 20:57 GMT
> Has anyone used or is using an electric litter box?  I am considering
> getting one and wonder what experiences others have had with one.  
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> money is not in jeopardy, but wonder how they are to use and what about
> cleaning them.

I bought one, the smaller "Litter Maid" about 2 months ago. My cat cubs
were quite young, so we didn't use it for about a fortnight in case it
scared them.

It worked brilliantly for about 2 weeks - and when it does work, it's very
convenient indeed. It keeps the smell down, especially in hot weather, so
you don't get a nasty smell when you come home from work.

The one I had stopped working all the time after the first fortnight, and
stopped working altogether after that. I've returned it. I don't know if
it's this unit in particular, but I do share some of the concerns raised
about a lot of it being rather flimsy.

I am going to get it replaced by the company I bought it from, and will
see how it goes. If it does work, I'll definitely stick with it.

Amanda
 
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