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zuzu22@webtv.net - 09 Aug 2003 03:20 GMT
As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
good news about cats having their declaw appointments canceled :-), and
occasionally I get some filled with ignorant statements that I pretty
much ignore.

Today I received a message that made me cry. It was from a woman who
arrived home only to find that both of her 2 year old cats were missing.
It turns out that her husband went behind her back, despite knowing her
negative feelings on the subject, and had the cats declawed. Apparently
he was worried they might damage the new leather couch she just bought.

She is devastated, and hasn't been able to bring herself to approach her
children about what has happened, much less talk to her husband. I can
only imagine the heartbreak and betrayal she must be feeling right now.
I wrote her back and  gave her support as best I could and told her what
I would do if this were to happen to me. I will not reveal that here as
I don't want to color people's responses.

Which brings me to my question for the group- what would you do if faced
with this situation?

Megan

                                   
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Jason James - 09 Aug 2003 05:00 GMT
> As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
> I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
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>
> Megan

A difficult situation.

One thing which outrages me are those few unscrupulous greyhound trainers
who throw declawed cats in amongst the hounds when caged.

People who do this can do jail time in some states. These people are not
animal lovers, not even their dogs I'm sure.

The lady needs to put across to her husband in the most forthright terms
that she is appalled and extremely upset. It is difficult to imagine this
situation happening!

Jason
Agua Girl - 09 Aug 2003 05:39 GMT
I think I would try and find a support group for her.  If I were in
her shoes...the guy would be on his way out the door, seriously.
Not because of the declawing but because he put the couch
over HER own strong feelings.  Who wants to be around someone
so selfish and callous about her.  If he reacted this way in this situation,
you can only imagine what she puts up with on a daily basis.  Of course
you can't tell her that.  Only a good friend, family member or counselor
can so with that in mind I would offer my support, let her know it's not
her fault and she shouldn't feel guilty but she absolutely should talk to
someone about what she does feel.

AG
> As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
> I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
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>
> - W.H. Murray
aemiaw - 09 Aug 2003 08:08 GMT
I think some people are too ignorant to be around people or animals.  How
could he do this to the poor animals, especially when he knew how his wife
felt?  I am afraid I would have to have the guy euthanized.  On the serious
side, I don't think that I could stay with someone like that.  He would be
out the door.

Sheryl

> As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
> I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
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>
> - W.H. Murray
Mr B - 09 Aug 2003 16:55 GMT
I'd go get the husbands car and slash all the tires.  Then say how do you like it if someone cuts
off part of what you use to get around?

>As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
>I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
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>
>- W.H. Murray
Gee - 10 Aug 2003 09:29 GMT
> I'd go get the husbands car and slash all the tires.  Then say how do you like it if someone cuts
> off part of what you use to get around?

Why tires? I'd claw his precious stinky leather couch to peaces with my own
nails! Then I'd tell him if he doesn;t leave the house for good, I'd have
him castrated myself!

I just cannot believe that anyone could possibly stay with such an inhumane
person? How could you possibly forgive him? If person is capable of
torturing an animal, he is capable of absolutely anything. What's next, have
her tongue cut off becuase she is "whinging too much" ????

I'd also definitly look into reporting him to authorities on some charge.
Whatever they can get him on.
bewtifulfreak - 10 Aug 2003 01:04 GMT
> Today I received a message that made me cry. It was from a woman who
> arrived home only to find that both of her 2 year old cats were missing.
> It turns out that her husband went behind her back, despite knowing her
> negative feelings on the subject, and had the cats declawed. Apparently
> he was worried they might damage the new leather couch she just bought.

Everyone else has echoed my sentiments.  Firstly, the fact that he could do
that to the cats, knowing what he did about declawing from his wife, shows a
very cold heart.  And then, as everyone else said, apart from the issue of
declawing itself, the fact that he did something, *anything*, so
fundamentally against his wife's feelings, particularly for such a shallow
reason, shows complete disregard for her feelings.  Also - again, as someone
else mentioned - it really does make you wonder how he treats the kids (my
mom always judges a man by how he feels about/treats kids and animals!).
I'd have to say at the very *least*, some serious couple counselling, but
that's if this isn't just the final straw; if treatment and behavior such as
this has been ongoing for awhile, then I would forgo that and just dump him
there and then.  As someone else said, what an awful situation to be
in....poor kitties, and poor *wife* (not to mention poor kids, as they're
bound to be put in an awkward situation as well)!!! :(

Ann

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Chris Street - 10 Aug 2003 02:05 GMT
>As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
>I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
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>Which brings me to my question for the group- what would you do if faced
>with this situation?

Personally I'd favour a .455 Webley and Scott with expanding slugs but
that's probably not the response you were looking for. The first person
I would go visit however would be the vet......

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L. Kelly - 10 Aug 2003 05:11 GMT
| Today I received a message that made me cry. It was from a woman who
| arrived home only to find that both of her 2 year old cats were missing.
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|
| Megan

Have any of you read the book or seen the movie "Misery?" It's about a writer who has an
accident and ends up being cared for by his number one fan. She's more than a bit loonie
and holds him prisoner until he writes another book with the ending that "she" approves
of.

Anyway...as a part of his prison sentence with her, she hobbles him (cuts off his foot),
which is similar to what was done to these cats.

Therefore, as much as I hate to say it, I think I may be somewhat tempted to do the same
to this man. Cut off "HIS" toes and ask him to walk across the room. As is the case with
cats, we humans rely on our toes for balance. Without them we are very apt to tip over.
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Mike - 11 Aug 2003 00:42 GMT
> Have any of you read the book or seen the movie "Misery?" It's about a writer who has an
> accident and ends up being cared for by his number one fan. She's more than a bit loonie
> and holds him prisoner until he writes another book with the ending that "she" approves
> of.

Wasn't that by Stephen King?

Mike
L. Kelly - 11 Aug 2003 01:05 GMT
| > Have any of you read the book or seen the movie "Misery?" It's about a
| writer who has an
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| Mike

Yes...it is a Stephen King story.
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Gee - 10 Aug 2003 09:44 GMT
A few people here mantioned it would be a difficult decision. How can it be
difficult? It's very plain, obvious and EASY to me! Anyone touches my kids
or my pets will heavily regret it! The fact that I may be legaly connected
to him in some way, will not make a blind bit of difference. I would be
tottaly discusted to find out I married an abuser! He has tortured pets, he
has lied to her and gone behind her back(which leaves you thinking what else
is/was he capable of) and finally, material property is obviously more
important to him then a living Gods creature. How did she not notice any of
this behaviour before?

First of all, I'd make sure with the vet that my kitties are going to be
relatively OK. I'd also make sure that any local vet knows in the future
NEVER to take any orders about MY cats from ANYBODY else!

Second, I'd claw his precious stinky leather couch to peaces with my own
nails! And record it on a camcorder so he can watch it and beware!

Finally, I'd tell him if he doesn;t leave the house for good, I'd become Mrs
Bobbitt, so he'd know how the cats feel.

I just cannot believe that anyone could possibly stay with such an inhumane
person? How could you possibly forgive him? If person is capable of
torturing an animal, he is capable of absolutely anything. What's next, have
her tongue cut off becuase she is "whinging too much" ???? Not to even
mantion the basic respect, trust and love. Seriously, please explain how you
could forgive such person.

I'd also definitly look into reporting him to authorities on some charge.
Whatever they can get him on. This abuser needs a lesson and quick before he
hurts another creature!

Gee
fuga  =^o^= - 10 Aug 2003 18:53 GMT
I think this is a terrible position that this woman has been placed in and I
think the best thing that can be done for her is offer her emotional
support.  Obviously it has to be her decision on what she wants to do about
the marriage.  It is most certainly a deep and serious betrayal of trust.
It shows a tremendous disrespect for his wife as well as the cat.

I spoke to my husband about this situation, he was horrified to hear of it.
I asked him what he would do in that situation and he said it for him it is
unimaginable.  He was so upset to hear about what happened that the rest of
the night he was put off and sad.

Meagan, please let this woman know that there are many people thinking about
her right now and that there are lots of purrs coming her way to find the
strength to get through this situation in a way that is best for her mental
well-being.

Teary-eyed,

Fuga
maz - 10 Aug 2003 19:32 GMT
>> Today I received a message that made me cry.

I would slash his "precious" leather couches into tiny pieces, rip his bank
account, file for a divorce and drag him to court for animal cruelty and
abuse...
Oh, I would make him suffer so hard that he'd never forget - what an
a.shole.... :-(

m
Mike - 11 Aug 2003 00:41 GMT
> I would slash his "precious" leather couches into tiny pieces, rip his bank
> account, file for a divorce and drag him to court for animal cruelty and
> abuse...
> Oh, I would make him suffer so hard that he'd never forget - what an
> a.shole.... :-(

I couldn't agree more. Best solution yet!
What's done is done, so try not to cry over spilt milk (though I would find
it difficult).

Mike
-L. - 11 Aug 2003 09:26 GMT
> Which brings me to my question for the group- what would you do if faced
> with this situation?
>
> Megan

(Coming late to this, but felt the need to respond...)

PACK MY sh.t AND MOVE OUT IMMEDIATELY.

What a betrayal!  The guy showed no concern for her feelings, the
cat's well being, or his marriage.

Luckily, my DH would never, ever, in a million years, do something
like this.

-Lyn
Alex Longfield - 14 Aug 2003 16:28 GMT
I've been well informed that she didn't chop off his foot in Misery, she
actually broke both his legs by placing a plank of wood between his legs and
using a sledgehammer to force his feet inwards, the same effect i assume as
breaking your knees by bending them the wrong way.

This also seems a good idea for this idiot.
kmonk - 14 Aug 2003 12:44 GMT
Before saying this I should say that I am firmly against declawing cats...
Beyond that, we need to prioritize. I will grant that he should not have
done something like that behind her back, particularly if they are her
cats - if they're her cats, it should be her decision. If they're his, it's
his.
But people, all this talk of killing and stuff.... people have to be put
above animals, and your spouse should be more important than your pet (or
your couch). The solution here is to - talk to her husband about it, and
about the deep down communication issues that are at the root of this. If
that means counselling fine, but we shouldn't be talking about violence or
divorce based on this.

KR
Alex Longfield - 14 Aug 2003 13:45 GMT
why would this be a communication issue? as far as i can tell the husband
knew his wife's strong feelings about declawing and went ahead anyway,
that's not communication issues, thats respect issues.

i'd follow everyone else and say i'd tell him to leave and take his damn
couch with him. i could never be with someone who didn't show respect to
strong feelings i had, especially if they went behind my back.

> Before saying this I should say that I am firmly against declawing cats...
> Beyond that, we need to prioritize. I will grant that he should not have
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> KR
Karen Chuplis - 14 Aug 2003 14:05 GMT
> Before saying this I should say that I am firmly against declawing cats...
> Beyond that, we need to prioritize. I will grant that he should not have
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>
> KR

The act was a MAJOR breach of trust. It was as underhanded as if he had
gambled them into debt or abused one of the children IMO and that can't be
seen as not divorce material, also IMO. He *deliberately* went behind her
back to do something he *knew* would upset her. He wanted complete control.
If you think this does not warrant a need for major counseling, I don't know
what is. I know that *I* could *not* trust him ever again with anything. I
think it's a very serious infraction of trust.

Karen
L. Kelly - 14 Aug 2003 15:50 GMT
| Before saying this I should say that I am firmly against declawing cats...
| Beyond that, we need to prioritize. I will grant that he should not have
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|
| KR

I personally did NOT see any communication issues on her part, although HE has some major
problems. The wife clearly stated her views on declawing and he snuck behind her back and
had the cats done anyway...and JUST to protect his precious couch! He is the one who did
NOT put people above animals. Instead he put a possession above both people and animals,
and simply because he was too damn lazy to help with training the cats not to claw
furniture.

If he had any love or concern for his wife (a person), he would not have done this to the
cats (animals.) He would have, instead, talked to her and told her how he feels about his
couch (a possession.) Then he would have given her the option of (1) training the cats,
(2) declawing the cats, or (3) leaving HIM based on his selfish views towards a
"possession."

I still think that hobbling him would be a fitting payback for his actions...followed by
a divorce.
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koyaanisqatsi - 28 Oct 2003 03:43 GMT
Megan:

Clearly the woman should seek a divorce from her husband immediately.

koyaanisqatsi

> As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
> I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
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> - W.H. Murray
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Meghan Noecker - 28 Oct 2003 08:19 GMT
>> Which brings me to my question for the group- what would you do if faced
>> with this situation?

Boy, that is a really tough decision. I am not married yet, and I
would hope that anybody who thinks of marrying me, would never ever
consider doing such a thing.

Faced with this kind of betrayal, and physical harm, I would probably
be looking at a divorce. I would have to consider that abuse.

I know not everybody is against declawing, but assuming that a person
is not against it, I would still argue this as abuse simply because it
it is so badly against the wishes of the spouse, and thus would be
mental abuse.

As far as the declawing, I consider it physical abuse. I would not
accept that with human children, and I sure wouldn't accept it with my
animals. I would be horrified if this was done to my own animals, and
I would never be able to trust the person again.

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AWriteny - 28 Oct 2003 10:21 GMT
At the very least, counselling is in order to discover why the husband had
total disregard for anything the wife expressed. If that didn't work, I would
kick the jerk out. It's not like the husband changed the wallpaper.
The Great Kornholio - 06 Nov 2003 07:28 GMT
What would I do? Who gives a sh.t what I'd do? You did exactly what your email signature file warns  NOT to do: NOTHING. Stirring up a little hysteria on a newsgroup of cat lovers has NO IMPACT on the people or animals involved (or next week's cast). Emailing your and probably dilutes whatever ire you might have ridden to help the situation. Your email drama-rama is similar to your website-mostly

> As some of you know I own the website http://www.stopdeclaw.com
> I often get emails and they are usually positive, generally filled with
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> Which brings me to my question for the group- what would you do if faced
> with this situation?
 
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