Last month I moved from Las Vegas to my father's house in New Jersey. Along
with me came my 1 year cat Baby (might have to change her name now....) At
my father's house they have 3 cats, Nai-Han (siamese), U2 (DSH), and
Sparticus (DSH). When I moved in I was under the impression that all three
had been neutered, all of them being male. Unfortunately, only U2 and Han
had been while Sparticus is scheduled to be on the 28th of this month I
later found out. At the same time, Baby has not yet been spayed. I realize
she should have been, but her story is a rather long one, basically I only
acquired her right before I left Vegas and she had been through 3 different
negligent owners before she ended up in my possesion. So as I released her
into the house, all is well. Until, I caught Sparticus and her being a
little too friendly. To the best of my knowledge they only mated once and as
I then read about the first mating only sending the female into heat I
thought she was in the clear. Low and behold she is not.
I realize that these things can be terminated, however I am rather opposed
to the idea of forcing an abortion onto her. I am prepared to keep the
remainder of the litter, as many kittens as that may be. I already have
commitments for two of them from people I know will be quite happy to take
them and will provide loving homes. I figure beyond that at most I can
expect to have four more kittens.
Anyway, now that I have provided a whole lot of useless info I really just
want to figure out the color possibilities for the kittens. It doesn't
really make a difference what they are, but genetics is something that
interested me in high school, but feline genetics seems to have a lot more
into it than the little Mendellian pea charts they have you do :)
On to the details:
Father: Sparticus
I believe the term is a "Van" colored cat?
He is white, except for just his tail and two small stripes on the top of
his head. Those are black and gray tabby colored.
Mother: Baby
She is black. I think she has a locket on her chest but I am not sure how
much hair there must be for it to be considered a spot? The amount of white
on her chest is extremely small. Like barely visible unless you roll her
over and look closely. She is not a solid black though. I would not go so
far as to say she is chocolate, but I would say she is the darkest possible
brown you can imagine, you can really only tell that she is not black when
she lays in the sun.
So, I know it is not possible to be definitive not knowing the recessive
genes, but I think possibly I could have blacks and tabbies with white? Or
does the fact that the father is almost all white will that mean some of the
kittens could be the same?
Thanks for the help. BTW, I have her certificate for her to be spayed as
soon as I can after her litter is born. The kittens will also be fixed
although I am not sure when as some people say 6 months and others say
sooner.
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 10:00 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:29:23 GMT, in alt.cats, D H
(nospam@nospam.com) said,
> On to the details:
> Father: Sparticus
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> although I am not sure when as some people say 6 months and others say
> sooner.
http://www.tenset.co.uk/catgen/indexus.html
http://www.fanciers.com/other-faqs/colors.html
http://www.fanciers.com/other-faqs/color-genetics.html
Laura

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D H - 26 Jun 2004 10:40 GMT
Yes I have actually been to all three of those sites and am not much further
than where I started at except knowing the terms for their color patterns.
The software seems ok, but I'm not quite sure what info I put into it in
what sections for it to be accurate.
> circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:29:23 GMT, in alt.cats, D H
> (nospam@nospam.com) said,
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>
> Laura
Wendy - 26 Jun 2004 12:43 GMT
> Yes I have actually been to all three of those sites and am not much further
> than where I started at except knowing the terms for their color patterns.
>
> The software seems ok, but I'm not quite sure what info I put into it in
> what sections for it to be accurate.
You might be able to extrapolate what color your cats parents were after the
kittens are born and you see what color they turned out but without knowing
what color your cats parents were I think it would be tough to (with any
accuracy) anticipate the color the kittens might be. Right now you have no
information on possible recessives
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 17:46 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:43:06 -0400, in alt.cats, Wendy
(wendypart@nospam.com) said,
> > Yes I have actually been to all three of those sites and am not much
> further
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> accuracy) anticipate the color the kittens might be. Right now you have no
> information on possible recessives
S/he knows what color each parent is; the problem is, they're both
"mutts". :-)
If I had to guess, I'd say that the speculation in the original post
about what colors the kittens would end up being is as good as any.
:-)
Laura

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Ted Davis - 26 Jun 2004 18:30 GMT
>You might be able to extrapolate what color your cats parents were after the
>kittens are born and you see what color they turned out but without knowing
>what color your cats parents were I think it would be tough to (with any
>accuracy) anticipate the color the kittens might be. Right now you have no
>information on possible recessives
You got that right. I took in a mother and three of her kittens: the
mother was black with a tiny locket (father(s) unknown); one kitten
looked exactly like her, three were mottled black and white, and the
runt was a tabby calico.
T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body)
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 19:48 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:43:06 -0400, in alt.cats, Wendy
(wendypart@nospam.com) said,
> You might be able to extrapolate what color your cats parents were after the
> kittens are born and you see what color they turned out but without knowing
> what color your cats parents were I think it would be tough to (with any
> accuracy) anticipate the color the kittens might be. Right now you have no
> information on possible recessives
Doh! I realize that you're talking about the "grandparents" now.
Sorry about that!
Laura

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M.C. Mullen - 26 Jun 2004 14:36 GMT
Congrats! New arrivals!
| So, I know it is not possible to be definitive not knowing the recessive
| genes, but I think possibly I could have blacks and tabbies with white? Or
| does the fact that the father is almost all white will that mean some of the
| kittens could be the same?
Since the ancestor's genes play quite a part with cats you can really expect
everything, even one or two DLH.
| Thanks for the help. BTW, I have her certificate for her to be spayed as
| soon as I can after her litter is born. The kittens will also be fixed
| although I am not sure when as some people say 6 months and others say
| sooner.
6 months is fine. There are reasons to do it earlier, but 6 months is ideal.
Good luck to you all! How long does it take, 64 or so days? Don't forget to
let us know the news.
Carola
Rhonda - 26 Jun 2004 18:52 GMT
We took in a pregnant stray, she was a gray and white "tuxedo" cat.
Father was unknown.
Three of her kittens were yellow! One was black and white, one gray
tabby, and one brown and gray striped tabby. Siamese coloring has to be
(at least) recessive in both parents, so she apparently has that. We
would have needed generations of their history to guess the possibility
of their colorings.
Enjoy the surprise!
Rhonda
> On to the details:
> Father: Sparticus
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> although I am not sure when as some people say 6 months and others say
> sooner.
D H - 27 Jun 2004 01:21 GMT
Yep, sounds like it is going to be just that a surprise :) not that I mind,
I was just trying to make things more interesting by figuring out their
coloring beforehand. Anyway, thanks to all who contributed.
One more question though and this is just regarding her behaviour.
She seems to be quite forcefully maternal. What I mean is, she will come up
while I am sitting here typing. She will begin to clean my hand or arm, if I
attempt to move away she drops to her side, wraps her front claws around my
arm in a manner which prevents my escape and will bite me quite hard until I
stop moving at which point she begins cleaning me again.
Is that normal? It doesn't really bother me or hurt me, but if she bit a
kitten that hard I would think she could hurt it pretty easily.
> We took in a pregnant stray, she was a gray and white "tuxedo" cat.
> Father was unknown.
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> > although I am not sure when as some people say 6 months and others say
> > sooner.
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:13 GMT
circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:21:18 GMT, in alt.cats, D H
(nospam@nospam.com) said,
> One more question though and this is just regarding her behaviour.
>
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> Is that normal? It doesn't really bother me or hurt me, but if she bit a
> kitten that hard I would think she could hurt it pretty easily.
It's fairly normal(*), even for cats that aren't mommies. Or aren't
even female, for that matter. Don't worry, she'll adjust her grip for
kittens.
*By "fairly normal", I mean that there are cats who do this. They
tend to be weird cats, like the one I have who does it, but it's not
terribly unusual. :-)
Laura

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JoJo - 27 Jun 2004 19:58 GMT
I had a genetics class a few years ago - remember when they cloned the cat?
The cloned kitten looked nothing like it's mother - and I asked the teacher
why - he said there are too many other factors that could have accounted for
why the cloned kitty was a different color. Sorry it was a long time ago
and I can't remember the exact reason.
> Last month I moved from Las Vegas to my father's house in New Jersey. Along
> with me came my 1 year cat Baby (might have to change her name now....) At
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> although I am not sure when as some people say 6 months and others say
> sooner.