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Old cat and new dog problems; please help!

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Steve Piper - 16 Jun 2004 12:27 GMT
Dear all,

We have recently brought a new dog into our home; he is a puppy, just a few
months old. We already have a cat that we have had for over 2 years; she is
just over 2 years old, and has always been a dream to look after, no
problems of any kind at all.

At first she seemed pretty bummed out by the dog , but then started to come
around as she worked out what the various baby gates etc. were there for and
that she could use them to get away from him whenever she wanted.

We knew we had to try and socialise them and at first hoped nature would
take it's course; the puppy bundled her, we expected him to get a nasty cut
on the nose and learn to leave her alone. Unfortunately the desire to play
outweighs the fear of pain for our dog (he is an Akita, famously stubborn
breed), so we switched to teaching him to stay, sit, and leave, getting them
in a room together, making her feel comfortable moving around on the floor
around him etc. it all went well.

In the last few weeks though she has started urinating indoors; she didn't
even do this when she was a kitten (it's also a pain as we just paid out
?200 to get the carpets cleaned having toilet trained the dog at long last).

At first she went in the same spot he always did; by the back door; she is a
housecat so we thought she may have seen the dog wee there and get chucked
outside, and thought the same tactic would get her put outside; the thing is
she does go out all the time on a harness (myself and my partner work from
home), even when she has "escaped" she just sits in the same spot in the
flowerbed.

She is now going in our main sitting room, often at night when the dog is
locked up in the kitchen (Akitas like cold stone floors) and we're in bed; a
nice surprise to wake up to...

Having spent out on innumerable baby gates to ensure she has all of the
upstairs and considerable amounts of downstair to herself safe from dog, and
having both used up innumerable days giving her love and attention, she is
still doing it, and I just don't know why.

Is this a scent thing? Is she trying to eradicate his scent (she always
seems to go in a spot he went before he was toilet trained; I wonder if
despite the cleaning there is still a smell there that she can pick up and
wants to eradicate with her own smell? How the hell can we combat this and
get her back to being the well behaved princess she was before?

The dog has tried so hard, and in day to day contact they don't seem at all
bothered by each other; is she jealous? She has never been a lap cat and
dogs being the way they are he does get a lot of attention because he comes
looking for it, but we've been so careful with giving her treats and
attention when he does, just don't know what to do, can anyone help? Has
anyone else had a similar experience?

Steve

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Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 13:50 GMT
circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:27:05 +0100, in alt.cats, Steve Piper
(piper@coffeefilms.com) said,
> Is this a scent thing? Is she trying to eradicate his scent (she always
> seems to go in a spot he went before he was toilet trained; I wonder if
> despite the cleaning there is still a smell there that she can pick up and
> wants to eradicate with her own smell? How the hell can we combat this and
> get her back to being the well behaved princess she was before?

I think that you've hit on the cause right here. It sounds like she's
attempting to reassert her territory by urinating where the dog has
in order to cover his scent with hers. What have you tried as far as
cleaning? Have you used enzymatic cleaners? A steam cleaner?

Laura
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Steve Piper - 16 Jun 2004 14:36 GMT
We got in professional cleaners who specialised in pet "dirt". They used all
kinds of stuff, high power vacuum, some kind of huge industrial steam/water
cleaning thing, various products, the carpets looked and smelled like new
(to us useless humans anyway), that's no mean feat; they're all beige kind
of colours and have gone through plenty of coffee and ashtray spillages as
well. The dog had one or two accidents after cleaning whcih we used
primarily hot water with a mild detergent followed up by some specialist
spray stuff (I think that's enzymatic) that you spray on, leave for 15
minutes, and clean off. The professional cleaning was very expensive, we
don't have a huge house so to be honest I am surprised that there is any
smell left but you never know what has soaked all the way down into the
floorboards or anything.

The trouble with the sitting room is that the cat simply doesn't spend much
time in there, she gets a better view from the dining room (big patio doors,
piano to sit on top of), of course the dog is in the sitting room whenever
we are so it's bound to have a more generalised scent of him than her in
there as well; we tried to encourage her in more by playing with string and
so on, but it just isn't her favourite room, the only reason she seems to
come in is to spend time with us if we're in there a lot on a certain day,
or at night etc.

> circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:27:05 +0100, in alt.cats, Steve Piper
> (piper@coffeefilms.com) said,
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>
> Laura
Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 19:02 GMT
circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:36:08 +0100, in alt.cats, Steve Piper
(piper@coffeefilms.com) said,

> We got in professional cleaners who specialised in pet "dirt". They used all
> kinds of stuff, high power vacuum, some kind of huge industrial steam/water
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> come in is to spend time with us if we're in there a lot on a certain day,
> or at night etc.

Okay, can you cover that portion of the carpet with something for a
while to see if the cat stops the behavior, or if she starts
urinating inappropriately somewhere else? It certainly sounds like
you cleaned it eight ways to Sunday, but as you noted, it could have
soaked into the floorboards.

Laura
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jun 2004 15:29 GMT
Stress can cause a cat to develop a urinary tract infection and you
should rule this out before assuming it's behavioral. While it might
seem that this is a territory issue, the fact is that the introduction
of the dog has created a lot of stress for the cat and there very well
could be a medical reason for her behavior. Please take her to the vet
first and make sure she isn't sick. If she gets a clean bill of health
you can try buying some Feliway diffusers and plugging them in in the
rooms where she spends most of her time. Again, I have to underline the
importance of ruling out a health problem first before assuming that the
issues with the dog are the cause.

Megan

                                   
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Laura R. - 16 Jun 2004 19:03 GMT
circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:29:56 -0500, in alt.cats, zuzu22@webtv.net
(zuzu22@webtv.net) said,
> Stress can cause a cat to develop a urinary tract infection and you
> should rule this out before assuming it's behavioral. While it might
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> importance of ruling out a health problem first before assuming that the
> issues with the dog are the cause.

I'll second this.

Laura
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Steve Piper - 17 Jun 2004 12:35 GMT
Thank you both, we're off to the vets tomorrow to check if she's OK health
wise; we shut her out of the sitting room last night and no problems, but we
also both realised she hasn't used her litter tray in a couple of days so it
could well be something wrong healthwise; thank you!

Steve

> circa Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:29:56 -0500, in alt.cats, zuzu22@webtv.net
> (zuzu22@webtv.net) said,
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>
> Laura
 
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