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Dee - 25 Jul 2003 14:32 GMT Last night h0p came meandering into the bedroom. I patted the bed next to me and said "wanna come up here honey?" He hopped right up, gave me head butts, and started purring ...still an amazing thing for me to hear.
At about 11:30 h0p had an attack of the same type that initialized his recent problems. We headed out to the emergency hospital, almost losing him on the way. His eyeballs rolled back in his head, I had to breathe into his mouth. He was admitted to, and spent the night in the hospital. He's stabilized this morning, and will be spending the day so one of the regular doctors can run yet more tests.
h0p weighs an astonishing 11.6 pounds, more than he's ever weighed in his entire life. Maybe what I was feeling on his abdomen really was just fat. He's up from 8.25 in only 2 1/2 months. I'm tired. Please keep h0p in ...whevever your best wishes originate from. Thanks everybody.
Dee
m l briggs - 25 Jul 2003 17:08 GMT What upsetting news! It seems he may have a warning that an attack is pending and wants to be near you. Have they done an EEG? I am praying for whatever is best for hOp. My best wishes to you - this has been an ordeal for you. MLB
> Last night h0p came meandering into the bedroom. I patted the bed next to > me and said "wanna come up here honey?" He hopped right up, gave me head [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dee bewtifulfreak - 25 Jul 2003 18:05 GMT Sending warm healing vibes to da h0p kitty!!!
Ann
Athena - 25 Jul 2003 20:32 GMT My two kitties Leo and Taz send their warmest purrs for hOp. Hope he makes it through.
> Last night h0p came meandering into the bedroom. I patted the bed next to > me and said "wanna come up here honey?" He hopped right up, gave me head [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dee m l briggs - 26 Jul 2003 00:26 GMT If you can, let us know h0p's condition tonight. Hoping for the best. MLB
> Last night h0p came meandering into the bedroom. I patted the bed next to > me and said "wanna come up here honey?" He hopped right up, gave me head [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dee Dee - 27 Jul 2003 20:34 GMT > If you can, let us know h0p's condition tonight. Hoping for the best. MLB
Thank you ML, Not So Quick, Chris, bewtiful, Karen, and Athena ...and everybody. h0p came home late yesterday afternoon displaying the type of behaviour he typically displays after a seizure (crying out, pacing confusedly, etc.) This was no seizure however, and this type of activity doesn't last 48 hours after a normal seizure.
I've now seen this happen three times. h0p, completely out of the blue, loses normal motor function, and kind of flops from side to side when he tries to walk. On the car ride over, he went completely still, and it looked like his eyes had rolled back in his head. I thought we'd lost him. He stabilized somewhat the next day, and "ate like a pig" they tell me. His doctor says this is absolutely neurological, and that he couldn't possibly eat like he did with end stage liver disease. His CBC shows normal, and his liver function has actually gotten better since he came off the phenobarb.
When this happens, he is put on fluids and given valum. but *still* none of his doctors know what's causing it. No ML, no EEG has been performed because they were initially quite sure that his seizures has been caused by toxoplasmosis, but this is something new.
If any of you doctors out there can give me any advice as to what type of tests you feel should be done, or where a good place to have them done might be, it'd be much appreciated. Physically he's doing great.
h0ppy was crying by the door this morning so we took him out, and he seemed to enjoy that alot. He's doing well but tends to fall asleep right in the middle of things, as if he had narcolepsy. I suppose this whole episode would have made me tired too...wait...it did make me tired too :)
Thanks again to all you well wishers. Once again my little feral fighter made it through ...oh! Right on time to get his new cotton collar too, but I'll post about that later (still treating for fleas and wanted to use the computer before more spraying goes on in this room!).
Dee
bewtifulfreak - 27 Jul 2003 20:47 GMT Glad he's hanging in and that it's not liver disease. I just hope you get the problem resolved, sounds very stressful on both of you, and I'm sure you must be worried sick! Please keep us informed as to what you find out....
Cuddles to the h0pster, and hugs for you, Ann
Dee - 28 Jul 2003 20:00 GMT > Glad he's hanging in and that it's not liver disease. I just hope you get > the problem resolved, sounds very stressful on both of you, and I'm sure you > must be worried sick! Please keep us informed as to what you find out.... Thanks. Unfortunately, h0p does have liver disease, along with a heart murmer, IBD, and a neurological disorder. He's been very strong.
Dee
m l briggs - 27 Jul 2003 21:02 GMT After no news for so long, I was fearing the worst. h0p must have been born with a strong constitution and I am glad he is feeling somewhat better. I cannot remember if flea medication was considered as a possible cause(?)..I know chemicals can be trickey. Even human medications act differently in different people --ask me: I seem to react badly to some of the newer "wonder" drugs. Last year when I was being treated for cat scratches, I reacted badly to everything the doctors tried. Many years ago a neighbor took in a young man with narcolepsy -- he would fall asleep (pass out) in the middle of a conversation....apparently caused by a brain injury in childhood. Carry on as best you can -- may best wishes for both of you. MLB
>>If you can, let us know h0p's condition tonight. Hoping for the best. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Dee Dee - 28 Jul 2003 19:30 GMT > After no news for so long, I was fearing the worst. h0p must have been born with a strong > constitution and I am glad he is feeling somewhat better. I cannot remember if flea medication was > considered as a possible cause(?).. No, he took the Frontline Plus perfectly well. Whatever happened was the same thing that precipitated his current illness. I think it was just a coincidence that they found the IBD when we'd actually taken him in for a neurological problem. h0p's a fighter all right, I thought I'd lost him for sure. Sorry I didn't respond more quickly, but he was still in the hospital and I was exhausted!
I know chemicals can be trickey. Even human medications act
> differently in different people --ask me: I seem to react badly to some of the newer "wonder" > drugs. Last year when I was being treated for cat scratches, I reacted badly to everything the > doctors tried. Many years ago a neighbor took in a young man with narcolepsy -- he would fall > asleep (pass out) in the middle of a conversation....apparently caused by a brain injury in > childhood. Carry on as best you can -- may best wishes for both of you. MLB We know he's brain damaged, but this is something we've never seen before a couple of months ago.
As far as medications, I just went through a year of hell due to side effects from prednisone myself! Thanks again ML.
Dee
Chris Street - 27 Jul 2003 21:26 GMT >> If you can, let us know h0p's condition tonight. Hoping for the best. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >confusedly, etc.) This was no seizure however, and this type of activity >doesn't last 48 hours after a normal seizure. Could it not be something simple like plain old epilepsy? Have tests been done for that? I've seen epeliptic dogs have petit mal seizures, they don't pass out but just go extra goofy for a while - although not for 48 hours!
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Dee - 28 Jul 2003 19:34 GMT > Could it not be something simple like plain old epilepsy? Have tests > been done for that? I've seen epeliptic dogs have petit mal seizures, > they don't pass out but just go extra goofy for a while - although not > for 48 hours! h0p is actually brain damaged as a result of toxoplasmosis. He does have "normal" seizures and was treated with barbituates for two years. When the first of these new episodes occured, he was switched to a human medication called gabapentin and has done very well on that, but he's obviously having some kind of a neurological episode :/
Dee
Betsy - 29 Jul 2003 02:36 GMT Dee, I have a dog on phenobarb & KB. He's been prescribed gabapentin as a third line drug, to be administered if his cluster seizures start again.
These epilepsy drugs are wondrous and fearsome. My dog is really suffering serious side effects and the range of side effects is much more than I was initially made aware of, either by my regular vet who basically told me nothing, or the neurologist who had time to tell me of some. I've learned lots by internet research.
Anyway, is it possible that the gabapentin is CAUSING these new episodes? I think it is a fairly new drug, isn't it?
Interested in your thoughts,
Betsy
> > Could it not be something simple like plain old epilepsy? Have tests > > been done for that? I've seen epeliptic dogs have petit mal seizures, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dee Dee - 30 Jul 2003 00:12 GMT > Dee, I have a dog on phenobarb & KB. He's been prescribed gabapentin as a > third line drug, to be administered if his cluster seizures start again. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Anyway, is it possible that the gabapentin is CAUSING these new episodes? I > think it is a fairly new drug, isn't it? Betsy, h0p was in such bad shape from the phenobarb that his regular vet actually called me and said "If he were my cat I'd put him down." Three days after that call (six days after starting the gabapentin) he made an *amazing* turn around. The new episodes started before he got off the pheno and started the gabapentin, and he's only had one since starting it. My understanding is that it's a human drug that has only recently been started to be used with animals. Good luck with your pup.
Dee
bewtifulfreak - 30 Jul 2003 14:52 GMT > Betsy, h0p was in such bad shape from the phenobarb that his regular vet > actually called me and said "If he were my cat I'd put him down." Three > days after that call (six days after starting the gabapentin) he made an > *amazing* turn around. I'm so thrilled to hear that! I hope things just get better and better for dear, sweet h0p, it sounds like he's been through enough, and is really due to just feel better and enjoy life with you. :)
Warmest Wishes, Ann
Dee - 30 Jul 2003 21:52 GMT > > Betsy, h0p was in such bad shape from the phenobarb that his regular vet > > actually called me and said "If he were my cat I'd put him down." Three [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Warmest Wishes, > Ann Thanks Ann. The h0pper has alot of very serious problems, and is getting old, so we realize (intellectually anyway) that he probably won't be with us long. Right now he's happy laying in the sun and playing with his catnip duck :)
This has really brought home the fate of feral cats for me. I lost Sunny who was a feral. She had constant urinary tract infections, IBD, diabetes, and, eventually, cancer. Now h0p's life is threatened as a result of toxoplasmosis. Those little guys really need help and care, and I applaud everyone here who does that.
If you have a dollar to spare, send it to a local rescue group. If a million people had a dollar to spare...
Dee
bewtifulfreak - 30 Jul 2003 22:14 GMT > Thanks Ann. The h0pper has alot of very serious problems, and is getting > old, so we realize (intellectually anyway) that he probably won't be with > us long. Right now he's happy laying in the sun and playing with his > catnip duck :) Well, at least it sounds like you've given him the best life possible, and that what remains will be much better quality than it might have been. I admire and applaud you for how well you've cared for your poorly babies, they're all very lucky to have had you!
Ann
m l briggs - 30 Jul 2003 23:33 GMT Dee, I keep forgetting to ask if h0p has any Manx cat in his heritage? I realize this will only be a guess. Manx have skeletal problems and a bunny-like hop to their walk. Several years ago, a neighbor called me in to see the cat her daughter "had rescued" from a "cruel" Vet who had "cut off her tail and hurt her back" so she couldn't walk right. I found this lovely longhaired black Manx . I started to laugh and told her I'd bring her a Cat Fancy article on Manx cats. Angel was the cat who used to haul small dishes under her bed. Best wisjes and many purrs to h0p. MLB
>>Thanks Ann. The h0pper has alot of very serious problems, and is getting >>old, so we realize (intellectually anyway) that he probably won't be with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ann Dee - 31 Jul 2003 01:47 GMT > Dee, I keep forgetting to ask if h0p has any Manx cat in his heritage? I realize this will only be a guess.
Oh, I'd have to think probably not ML. He was at least a third generation, positively feral gray and white tuxedo. He doesn't have that kind of a body type at all, but I suppose anything's possible!
Manx have skeletal problems and a bunny-like hop to their walk.
huh, I'd never heard that. Cute :)
Several years ago, a neighbor called me in to see the cat her daughter "had rescued" from a "cruel" Vet who had "cut off her tail and hurt her back" so she couldn't walk right. I found this lovely longhaired black Manx .
Aww!! I almost adopted a black japanese bob tail when I got Georgie, she was beautiful. I can't believe the cats that people will abandon! George looked more ...needy somehow though :)
I started to laugh and told her I'd bring her a Cat Fancy article on Manx cats. Angel was the cat who used to haul small dishes under her bed. Best wisjes and many purrs to h0p. MLB
Thanks ML!
Dee
Dee - 31 Jul 2003 01:49 GMT > Manx have skeletal problems and a bunny-like hop to their walk. Oh wait ...I said "cute." That's not cute! :| They are beautiful cats though!
Dee
Dee - 31 Jul 2003 01:27 GMT > Well, at least it sounds like you've given him the best life possible, and > that what remains will be much better quality than it might have been. I > admire and applaud you for how well you've cared for your poorly babies, > they're all very lucky to have had you! Thanks again Ann. It sounds silly to say it, but the honest to God truth is that those little cats have made me a better person. I'm very lucky to have had all of them.
I talk about h0p alot because he's been so scary sick lately, but I do have other beautiful and amazing cats. Misty, my first, my baby who I love dearly, just turned 11. h0p is 10 now :) Sam is a big brawny black and white tuxedo who's seven ...he gets all sweet and shy and sucks my earlobe at night. George is a huge, sweet cat with a serious purr motor, a little skittish, but never with me. I've now added Misha and Mishu to the bunch. They're my boyfriend's six year old female cats who are tiny, pretty little white things half the size (or less) of my others! There's even a dog now! Michelle is a sweet six year old sheltie who was abandoned at the kennel where my boyfriend worked for a while. He said she just kept "looking at him with those eyes..."
Dee
Paige - 31 Jul 2003 02:58 GMT Bless you Dee. It's not silly to say at all. And it's true those little guy really do change your life in amazing ways; I still beleive that if my husband had not got little Chloe four years ago we would not be married today (now that sounds silly :)). My best to hOp tonight and every day. Enjoy them all!!
Paige
> It sounds silly to say it, but the honest to God truth > is that those little cats have made me a better person. I'm very lucky to > have had all of them. > > Dee Dee - 01 Aug 2003 02:47 GMT > Bless you Dee. It's not silly to say at all. And it's true those little > guy really do change your life in amazing ways; I still beleive that if my > husband had not got little Chloe four years ago we would not be married > today (now that sounds silly :)). My best to hOp tonight and every day. > Enjoy them all!! Thanks Paige :) Me, h0p, Misty, Sam, George, Misha, Mishu, and Michelle are all sending positive stuff your way!
Dee
bewtifulfreak - 31 Jul 2003 16:54 GMT Dee,
Thank you for sharing about your other cats as well, sounds like you've got a truly wonderful little family there! And how lovely that your boyfriend is as big an animal softie as you are.... :)
Ann
Dee - 01 Aug 2003 02:52 GMT > Dee, > > Thank you for sharing about your other cats as well, sounds like you've got > a truly wonderful little family there! We do! They're great :) Thanks!
And how lovely that your boyfriend
> is as big an animal softie as you are.... :) Yeah, otherwise we'd have killed each other by now no doubt :) ...Dee
Agua Girl - 27 Jul 2003 22:36 GMT Glad to get a semi positive update Dee. I lit a blue candle and have been sending healing vibes.
I'm not a vet but I echo the suggestions you already received. Epilepsy, allergy or reaction to some chemicals.
Good luck
AG
> > If you can, let us know h0p's condition tonight. Hoping for the best. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Dee Dee - 28 Jul 2003 20:05 GMT > Glad to get a semi positive update Dee. I lit a blue candle and > have been sending healing vibes. Thanks AG :) Why blue? I put a new blue collar on him the day after he came home. I left the little bell on (I take them off all the other cat's collars) so I can hear him.
Dee
Athena - 28 Jul 2003 05:47 GMT Glad I could be there for ya babe :)
Phenobarb is quite toxic to the liver...and animals that are on it get frequent liver tests (serum) to check the levels of the toxin in the liver. How long was hOp on pheno? Ever consider seeing a neurologist. Homeopathy might not hurt either. At this point...what do you have to lose right? Sometimes being open minded can lead to the most amazing discoveries.
I wish hOp the best of everything. He sounds like a very well-loved cat and very taken care of. I am sure that helps with the recovery process quite a bit. :)
> > If you can, let us know h0p's condition tonight. Hoping for the best. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Dee Dee - 28 Jul 2003 20:14 GMT > Glad I could be there for ya babe :) Everybody in both these newsgroups rocks :)
> Phenobarb is quite toxic to the liver...and animals that are on it get > frequent liver tests (serum) to check the levels of the toxin in the liver. > How long was hOp on pheno? Two years, and yes it did damage his liver, but it's actually a little better now that he's off it.
Ever consider seeing a neurologist.
Of course. I rushed him out there as soon as he had his first seizure, and he's been seeing her since. Unfortunately she's not picking up on whatever this new problem is.
Homeopathy
> might not hurt either. At this point...what do you have to lose right? > Sometimes being open minded can lead to the most amazing discoveries. I've been giving him a homeopathic carrot juice cocktail for his liver :)
> I wish hOp the best of everything. He sounds like a very well-loved cat and > very taken care of. I am sure that helps with the recovery process quite a > bit. :) All my cats are awesome and well loved, which is no less than they deserve for all they give to me. Thanks Athena.
Dee
Not so quick - 26 Jul 2003 06:53 GMT I will let my 8 know about hOp and I'm sure they will remember hOp in their prayers, if that's what they do.
> Last night h0p came meandering into the bedroom. I patted the bed next to > me and said "wanna come up here honey?" He hopped right up, gave me head [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dee
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