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J. Marz - 09 Jun 2004 19:02 GMT http://www.townonline.com/medford/news/local_regional/med_newmtcoyotespc06092004.htm
June 9 2004
Sampson said coyotes can be infected with rabies, but it is extremely rare. Statewide, there have been only two documented cases of coyotes with rabies since 1994. And it is almost unheard of for the coyotes to attack humans in New England.
"I wouldn't worry too much about coyotes as far as human interaction," he said.
Cats and small dogs, on the other hand, can easily become prey for the coyotes.
"We have had quite a few cats come up missing in the city," said Sampson. "I know a few have been eaten by coyotes; there is no doubt about that."
One feline victim was owned by Joe Testa, a resident of Allan Dale Road. He woke one morning in late May to discover that his family's calico cat had been killed, most likely by a coyote.
Testa didn't see the coyote, but there have been a handful of coyote sightings around Norwich Circle, which is where the cat's remains were found. The cat, said Testa, had obviously been killed and eaten by another animal.
The cat, named JJ, had been part of the Testa family for 10 years.
"Our two little kids were crying; they were sad," said Testa, a father to daughters ages 5 and 7. "When my daughters were babies, the cat was already in the house."
Tim Farrow - 09 Jun 2004 21:23 GMT That's why people with brains don't move where coyotes live if they have cats.
http://www.townonline.com/medford/news/local_regional/med_newmtcoyotespc06092004.htm
> June 9 2004 > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > to daughters ages 5 and 7. "When my daughters were babies, the cat was > already in the house." Sherry - 09 Jun 2004 21:48 GMT >That's why people with brains don't move where coyotes live if they have >cats. Coyotes are all over the US, and haven't decreased in population in the past 200 years. People with brains simply keep their cats indoors, especially after dusk.
Sherry
The Bulldog - 10 Jun 2004 01:08 GMT > That's why people with brains don't move where coyotes live if they have > cats. Hey douchbag, when I moved here 26 years ago, we didn't have coyotes around here. But with the urban sprawl and all, the coyotes have moved in. Only a moron would let their cat out to die in the wild. Cats are not wild animals and disrupt the natural order of things outside in the wild. A few weeks ago while on my motorcycle, I nailed someone's cat. It was not intentional, the damn moron ran out in front of me and I had two choices. Nail the cat or dump the bike... The bike is not going down because some moron let their cat out to be killed...
People who love their cats don't let them out to be killed by coyotes, James Marz and traffic... Keep the kitty in the house where it belongs... My little gray kitty will live a long and healthy life without ever going outside...
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Bulldog...
Cat Protector - 10 Jun 2004 07:10 GMT I would have swerved to avoid the cat. A motorcycle is something that can be replaced, a life can't.
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> Hey douchbag, when I moved here 26 years ago, we didn't have coyotes around > here. But with the urban sprawl and all, the coyotes have moved in. Only a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bulldog... grumpus - 11 Jun 2004 04:08 GMT > I would have swerved to avoid the cat. A motorcycle is something that can > be replaced, a life can't. coyetes, like motorcycles, are higher than cats.
The Bulldog - 13 Jun 2004 04:17 GMT > I would have swerved to avoid the cat. A motorcycle is something that can be > replaced, a life can't. Your right. My life cannot be replaced, so I nailed the cat... I'm sure the idiots who let fluffy out have already replaced it... Get a life you douchbag...
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Laura R. - 13 Jun 2004 04:34 GMT circa Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:17:44 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, The Bulldog (nospambulldog@hotmail.nospam.com) said,
> Bulldog... Oh, goody, a new killfile resident emerges.
Laura
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Cat Protector - 13 Jun 2004 10:18 GMT You must be a troller because you seem to have no problem with hitting the cat and in fact seem to be proud of it. You can call me names but it will only shows how immature and unfeeling you really are. I think you are disgusting!
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> Your right. My life cannot be replaced, so I nailed the cat... I'm sure > the idiots who let fluffy out have already replaced it... Get a life you > douchbag... > > Bulldog... grumpus - 13 Jun 2004 18:02 GMT > You must be a troller because you seem to have no problem with hitting the > cat and in fact seem to be proud of it. You can call me names but it will > only shows how immature and unfeeling you really are. I think you are > disgusting! We dont care what you think. Your inability to see the cookable of your feline parasites shows your intellectual limitations.Or I'm kidding. Who cares what you think.
J. Marz - 13 Jun 2004 19:18 GMT > You must be a troller because you seem to have no problem with hitting the > cat and in fact seem to be proud of it. You can call me names but it will > only shows how immature and unfeeling you really are. I think you are > disgusting! Ater losing the use of my legs dodging a cat 3 years ago, I now will hit one straight on without thinking twice or even bothering to dodge it. If your cat is outside that is the price you pay! If you let them out to play on the road then I'll happily run them over for being in the way of my van. If you don't like it thats your problem.
James Marz
> > Your right. My life cannot be replaced, so I nailed the cat... I'm sure > > the idiots who let fluffy out have already replaced it... Get a life you > > douchbag... > > > > Bulldog... grumpus - 13 Jun 2004 22:15 GMT >> You must be a troller because you seem to have no problem with hitting >> the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> > >> > Bulldog... back over it four times for good measure.
koyaanisqatsi - 26 Aug 2004 19:08 GMT Come on, Tim. You can't allow your cat to dictate where you live. And moreover, coyotes are moving into areas that they did not previously inhabit, including inner suburbs of Washington DC for example.
I will be moving to the country in Western New York. I have no choice. I fear that my Jaws will be taken by a coyote. I can try to keep him inside, but he like to be out at night. Maybe the completely new environment will make him prefer to stay indoors. And my mother's cat is living up there outside full time right now. Since my mother died, no one has been able to get close to him. I'll do what I can to protect the cats, but they will have to be clever enough to avoid coyotes. There are a few there now, but they have no natural predator that I know of in the east.
The only conceivable way to view your cat being taken by a coyote in less than complete misery and sorrow, is that the end comes very, very quickly. And that's not much to cling to.
koyaanisqatsi
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>That's why people with brains don't move where coyotes live if they have >cats. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>to daughters ages 5 and 7. "When my daughters were babies, the cat was >>already in the house." Amy Gray - 26 Aug 2004 20:10 GMT >Come on, Tim. You can't allow your cat to dictate where you live. And moreover, coyotes are moving into areas that they did not previously inhabit, including inner suburbs of Washington DC for example.
>>That's why people with brains don't move where coyotes live if they have >>cats.
>>http://www.townonline.com/medford/news/local_regional/med_newmtcoyotespc06092004.htm The reality today is if you don't want your dog/cat to become prey to xxxxx wild animal in xxxxxx location then you'll have to move to Arctic.
In this day and age there are so many wild animals infiltrating so many cities/suburbs/rural areas/housing developments/etc. that there may be no place on earth where a pet can't be effected by xxxx wild animal.
I live in a quiet suburban area and we've had more news items about xxxxxxx wild animal attacking xxxxxxxxx pets.
Before you say the solution is to keep your cats indoors I would point out a few years ago my indoor only cats encountered a squirrel that was probably rabid when the squirrel entered the house through the wall.
Cheryl - 26 Aug 2004 23:22 GMT In the fine newsgroup "alt.cats", Amy Gray <JudgeAmyGrayNOSPAM@hotmail.com> artfully composed this message within <news:vlcsi0dbpr19mjupj5s1f8mtojnqhk42h6@4ax.com> on 26 Aug 2004:
> The reality today is if you don't want your dog/cat to become > prey to xxxxx wild animal in xxxxxx location then you'll have to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > squirrel that was probably rabid when the squirrel entered the > house through the wall. So what is your point? That cats should be free to roam, but they have to fend for themselves? I don't understand the point of your post???
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Amy Gray - 27 Aug 2004 01:31 GMT >So what is your point? That cats should be free to roam, but they >have to fend for themselves? I don't understand the point of your >post??? No my point is if you think you're cat is going to be 100% safe you're living in dreamland.
There are dangers whether the cat is indoors or out.
If you want a place where the cat is not in danger, go to the Arctic. (Of course you and the cat may freeze there).
Nan - 27 Aug 2004 01:50 GMT >>So what is your point? That cats should be free to roam, but they >>have to fend for themselves? I don't understand the point of your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >If you want a place where the cat is not in danger, go to >the Arctic. (Of course you and the cat may freeze there). Not to mention the polar bears. --
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Amy Gray - 27 Aug 2004 17:06 GMT >Not to mention the polar bears. But then that danger lurks around here too. A guy is in trouble around here because he shot a bear who was trying to enter his house.
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0804/166746.html
Orchid - 26 Aug 2004 20:11 GMT >I will be moving to the country in Western New York. I have no choice. I fear that my Jaws >will be taken by a coyote. I can try to keep him inside, but he like to be out at night. And young children like to eat nothing but ice cream -- sometimes you have to make another creature do something it doesn't want to in order for that creature to be healthy.
> Maybe >the completely new environment will make him prefer to stay indoors. And my mother's cat >is living up there outside full time right now. Since my mother died, no one has been able to > get close to him. I'll do what I can to protect the cats, but they will have to be clever enough > to avoid coyotes. There are a few there now, but they have no natural predator that I know > of in the east. You mean other than bobcats, foxes, Great Horned Owls and black bears?
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M.C. Mullen - 27 Aug 2004 03:49 GMT | >I will be moving to the country in Western New York. I have no choice. I fear that my Jaws | >will be taken by a coyote. I can try to keep him inside, but he like to be out at night. | | And young children like to eat nothing but ice cream -- | sometimes you have to make another creature do something it doesn't | want to in order for that creature to be healthy. Young children don't meow all night to keep you awake - and you can talk to them.
| > Maybe | >the completely new environment will make him prefer to stay indoors. And my mother's cat | >is living up there outside full time right now. Since my mother died, no one has been able to | > get close to him. I'll do what I can to protect the cats, but they will have to be clever enough | > to avoid coyotes. There are a few there now, but they have no natural predator that I know | > of in the east. You do what you can. I suppose the first thing is to make friends with your mother's cat, the rest is not in your hands (yet). Good luck
Carola
Amy Gray - 27 Aug 2004 23:10 GMT >Young children don't meow all night to keep you awake - and you can talk to >them. But young children do cry all night.
Cathy Friedmann - 26 Aug 2004 22:55 GMT > X-No-Archive: yes > > Come on, Tim. You can't allow your cat to dictate where you live. And moreover, coyotes are moving into areas that they did not previously inhabit, including inner suburbs of Washington DC for example.
I will be moving to the country in Western New York. I have no choice. I fear that my Jaws will be taken by a coyote. I can try to keep him inside, but he like to be out at night. Maybe the completely new environment will make him prefer to stay indoors. And my mother's cat is living up there outside full time right now. Since my mother died, no one has been able to get close to him. I'll do what I can to protect the cats, but they will have to be clever enough to avoid coyotes. There are a few there now, but they have no natural predator that I know of in the east.
My sister lives in the Finger Lakes region, & they have coyotes - one can sometimes hear them at night. So my guess would be that they are out in western NY, also.
If you want Jaws to be safe, you'll have to keep him in at night (when coyotes are out), whether he wants to go out or not. As for your mother's cat, eventually you may a be able to lure him in.
Cathy
usenet-error-checker@internet_control_central.com - 27 Aug 2004 05:47 GMT Excuse my interruption, but would you please set your Mozilla news reader to make lines about 75 characters long so people can read what you post without having to scroll across each line, which it appears you have set to 500 characters or something like that.
>X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >>>to daughters ages 5 and 7. "When my daughters were babies, the cat was >>>already in the house." Amy Gray - 27 Aug 2004 17:08 GMT >Excuse my interruption, but would you please set your Mozilla news >reader to make lines about 75 characters long so people can read what >you post without having to scroll across each line, which it appears >you have set to 500 characters or something like that. Maybe you need to set word wrap on your news reader.
gertrude - 11 Jun 2004 20:56 GMT There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that are too young to prey on deer. See http://www.boston.com/news/daily/05/odds_cat.htm
And about 18 months ago there was a case in Washington state of a pair of sub-adult cougars travelling together who were after a man's dog while the man and dog were at his lake property. One of those cougars had a dead housecat in its mouth. The guy went back to his truck, pulled out a pistol, and shot both cougars dead. According to the interview of some law enforcement official the guy was within his rights. Personally, I think the guy could've driven off the two cougars. Killing them shouldn't have been necessary. What an AH :-(
http://www.townonline.com/medford/news/local_regional/med_newmtcoyotespc0609 2004.htm
> June 9 2004 > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > to daughters ages 5 and 7. "When my daughters were babies, the cat was > already in the house." TCS - 11 Jun 2004 21:19 GMT >There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that >are too young to prey on deer. See >http://www.boston.com/news/daily/05/odds_cat.htm
>And about 18 months ago there was a case in Washington state of a pair of >sub-adult cougars travelling together who were after a man's dog while the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >guy could've driven off the two cougars. Killing them shouldn't have been >necessary. What an AH :-( Have you ever tried to drive off a pair of cougers? Do you think you could aim a gun to disable at an animal lunging for your throat at 50mph? Twice? Easier said than done.
gertrude - 11 Jun 2004 21:36 GMT > >There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that > >are too young to prey on deer. See [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > throat at 50mph? Twice? > Easier said than done. The man was not being attacked, and his dog was still untouched by the aggressive cougars at the time he aimed and fired.
TCS - 11 Jun 2004 21:52 GMT >> >There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that >> >are too young to prey on deer. See [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> throat at 50mph? Twice? >> Easier said than done.
>The man was not being attacked, and his dog was still untouched by the >aggressive cougars at the time he aimed and fired. And how would that prevent his dog from being lunch the next time the cougers showed up?
Please explain how the guy "could've driven off the two cougers".
TCS - 13 Jun 2004 16:32 GMT >>> >There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that >>> >are too young to prey on deer. See [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>> throat at 50mph? Twice? >>> Easier said than done.
>>The man was not being attacked, and his dog was still untouched by the >>aggressive cougars at the time he aimed and fired.
>And how would that prevent his dog from being lunch the next time the >cougers showed up?
>Please explain how the guy "could've driven off the two cougers". I'm still waiting.
grumpus - 12 Jun 2004 02:06 GMT >>There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that >>are too young to prey on deer. See [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > throat at 50mph? Twice? > Easier said than done. depends, are you bigger than the animal?
Ever been attacked by a pittbul, be bigger than pitbull, forced pitbull to understand canine throats dont like chokeholds?
> >There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that > >are too young to prey on deer. See [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > throat at 50mph? Twice? > Easier said than done. As a two pound cat is obviously superior in strength to a dog many times it's size so a Cougar will be to you puny human that they could kill in seconds if you didn't have a weapon. The Native Americans may have lived with these animals for fifteen thousand years... but as the iceman in Austria showed... they didn't leave the house without a bow and arrows, a large knife and a stone club - and a shorter life expectancy I suspect.
It's only because of guns and a pack of hunting dogs that cougars at one time feared us. Without a gun and a pack of dogs at our command we are nothing compared to them.
It is interesting the cougar had a dead housecat in it's mouth. Is that considered cannablism? Is a Mountain Lion eating a house cat cannablism since they are both feline animals? It sure is kinda creepy all the same. I think seeing a large cat eat a smaller cat would turn my stomach. Yech!
I do think the guy could have fired a few shots in front of them to see if the noise would do it first. I think if they were just passing though it was sad their were killed. However, I think it wouldn't be safe for the man to have two Cougars hunting as a team right outside his front door if they were stalking his dog right into the front door of the cabin. There are limits. What about the man's love for his dog and the dog itself? What about the housecat? I feel sad for the house cat.
I agree it is sad about the Cougars. But I agree it would be hard to drive two cougars away with what? A stick? They might just go ahead and kill the man for kicks.
-L. : - 07 Jul 2004 07:24 GMT > >There's something worse for housecats than coyotes: immature cougars that > >are too young to prey on deer. See [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Have you ever tried to drive off a pair of cougers? Dude didn't have to. He was able to get to his truck - all he had to do is drive away. Only a.sholes kill wild animals for being wild animals.
> Do you think you could aim a gun to disable at an animal lunging for your > throat at 50mph? Twice? > Easier said than done. Doesn't sound like that is what happened. I'd like to read the whole article, if it is even true, which I doubt.
-L.
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