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The Grim Reaper - 02 Jun 2004 11:23 GMT "Ciruelax" <ciruelax@deja.com> wrote in message news:40b64c4a$1_2@nova.entelchile.net...
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Cat_Sk inning/Cat_Skinning.htm
Just had to be done. A lovely page showing the disection of cats in glorious color. The cat lovers will adore seeing them put to this worthy use.
The Grim Reaper
Gene Royer - 02 Jun 2004 15:37 GMT http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Cat_Sk
> inning/Cat_Skinning.htm > > Just had to be done. A lovely page showing the disection of cats in glorious > color. The cat lovers will adore seeing them put to this worthy use. > > The Grim Reaper The local SPCA kills thousands of cats each month here in my city. I wish it weren't so; but if their carcasses can be used to make the lives of humans better it is a good thing.
Human beings are infinitely more valuable than felines.
--Gene Royer
The Grim Reaper - 02 Jun 2004 16:03 GMT http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Cat_Sk
> > inning/Cat_Skinning.htm > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > --Gene Royer Well said.
Mind you, I like cats but I'm not a nutter about them but I wasn't too happy reading about the way they actually destroy them. A hypobaric chamber sounds an evil way to die. Essentially, they suck out all of the oxygen and the poor sods suffocate. Not a nice way to go. Bit of the website below...
THE ETHICS OF USING CATS FOR MEDICAL SCIENCE DISSECTIONS The question of the ethics of using cats for medical science dissection and learning can and should be raised. The ethical argument against the use of cats would be stronger if cats were bred specifically to be killed for dissection. However, the cats we use are the product of uncontrolled reproduction of pets. The surplus wind up at the animal shelter. At the animal shelter, the majority of cats are "euthenized" in a hypobaric chamber. In this chamber, the air is pumped out until the animal first passes out, and eventually dies of oxygen starvation. In the great majority of cases, the carcasses are then either cremated or buried. It is clear that using these animals which have already been euthenized yields at least one positive outcome of their sad deaths, one of advancing the teaching of medical science. Until the pet population explosion is under control and there is no surplus of euthenized cats, it would seem that a constructive use of a social tragedy is to be encouraged.
The Grim Reaper
Roberta Hatch - 02 Jun 2004 19:45 GMT >> "Ciruelax" <ciruelax@deja.com> wrote:
>>http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Cat_Skinni ng/Cat_Skinning.htm
>> Just had to be done. A lovely page showing the disection of cats >> in glorious color. The cat lovers will adore seeing them put to >>this worthy use.
>The local SPCA kills thousands of cats each month here in my city. I wish >it weren't so; but if their carcasses can be used to make the lives of >humans better it is a good thing. Well, it's obvious that 'someone' made a poor attempt at trolling. But since you made the comment about the animals being put to good use...
Years ago in my youth, I worked for a vet. They'd put down animals and the ASPCA would show up once a week and collect the carcasses. We'd just put them in plastic garbage bags, tie them shut and put them outside the backdoor.
On day I became curious and asked what the ASPCA did with carcasses. Well, they sold them to the knackers. Yes, that's right, we're talking *soap* and other fine products.
I've often thought that the soap manufacturers should have given their products better names, just to 'honor' the ingredients. Instead of Ivory, Fluffy. Instead of Zest, Fido. You get the idea.
I know that the ASPCA probably claims that they cremate the carcasses, but I'll bet they still sell them to the knackers when they can. Think about that the next time you climg into the shower.
Bobbi
--- Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent)
Gene Royer - 02 Jun 2004 20:44 GMT > >> "Ciruelax" <ciruelax@deja.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead > Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent) Bathing with soap made from feline doesn't bother me any more than that I eat the outsides of many other animals. And some of them, I eat the insides, too. Tripe, for example is a delicious--but very stringy--meal. And liver is a healthy treat.
I have never knowingly eaten a cat, and I can't imagine that I would enjoy it either way.
But I have eaten other kinds of animals that people keep for pets. Lamb, veal, chicken, duck, rabbit and squirrel. I've never eaten a raccoon.
--Geno
Ciruelax - 03 Jun 2004 05:56 GMT Never eaten cat? Why don't you try an authentic Chinese restaurant?
> > >> "Ciruelax" <ciruelax@deja.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > --Geno sparky@here.now - 07 Jun 2004 12:34 GMT > Never eaten cat? Why don't you try an authentic Chinese restaurant? This brings to mind the words to the Wierd Al song titled "The Cat In The Kettle". Set to the tune of "The Cat In The Craddle".
Did you ever think when you eat Chineese, It ain't pork of chicken but a fat Siamese....
sparky@here.now - 07 Jun 2004 13:13 GMT My bad... a typo...
Did you ever think when you eat Chineese, It ain't pork OR chicken but a fat Siamese....
Pantheras - 07 Jun 2004 19:42 GMT >>Never eaten cat? Why don't you try an authentic Chinese restaurant? > This brings to mind the words to the Wierd Al song titled "The Cat In The > Kettle". Set to the tune of "The Cat In The Craddle". > Did you ever think when you eat Chineese, > It ain't pork of chicken but a fat Siamese.... There is a small chain of restaurants ( 4) in the eastern part of West Virginia called "The Stray Cat". No it is Mexican.
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Ann Amoeba - 03 Jun 2004 17:49 GMT > http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Cat_Sk > > inning/Cat_Skinning.htm [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > --Gene Royer And human beings are also infinitely more valuable than dolphins and whales, but you'd never know it watching all those women out there on whale-watching excursions goo-gooing and ga-gaing over them. Women, BTW, as a statistical matter, who have had a few abortions amongst them. Can you imagine 120,000 dead whales washing up on the shores of our coastline every month? Well, that's the number of babies tossed into dumpsters every month in this country.
Yeppers, save the whales!
Pantheras - 03 Jun 2004 18:35 GMT > And human beings are also infinitely more valuable than dolphins and > whales, but you'd never know it watching all those women out there on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > our coastline every month? Well, that's the number of babies tossed > into dumpsters every month in this country. And from the way the population is growing and the welfare ranks are growing, that is not nearly enough being tossed into dumpsters. If only we could find a way to use cats other than at Chinese restaurants.
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Kristine Kochanski - 03 Jun 2004 18:40 GMT On 3 Jun 2004 09:49:24 -0700, savetheamoeba@hotmail.com (Ann Amoeba) wrote:>
>> Human beings are infinitely more valuable than felines. >> >> --Gene Royer Human beings are only 'valuable' to other human beings who are arrogant enough to think they're important.
>And human beings are also infinitely more valuable than dolphins and >whales, but you'd never know it watching all those women out there on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Yeppers, save the whales! I'd sooner save a whale being driven to extintion than save an unwanted child in an already over-populated world.
Ann Amoeba - 04 Jun 2004 03:32 GMT > On 3 Jun 2004 09:49:24 -0700, savetheamoeba@hotmail.com (Ann Amoeba) > wrote:> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I'd sooner save a whale being driven to extintion than save an > unwanted child in an already over-populated world. \ If it was unwanted, then why did she spread her legs and run the risk of pregnancy? Clearly her personal desires took precedence over this risk, and her person desires will also dictate that she will kill the results of her personal irresponsibility as well. You're full of sh.t, Kristine, and totally amoral to boot. You will kill another human being in the service of your own personal gratification. How disgraceful.
Kristine Kochanski - 04 Jun 2004 11:15 GMT >> I'd sooner save a whale being driven to extintion than save an >> unwanted child in an already over-populated world. >\ >If it was unwanted, then why did she spread her legs and run the risk >of pregnancy? Yes. it's always that simple, isn't it.
>Clearly her personal desires took precedence over this >risk, and her person desires will also dictate that she will kill the >results of her personal irresponsibility as well. You're full of sh.t, >Kristine, and totally amoral to boot. You will kill another human >being in the service of your own personal gratification. How >disgraceful. In your opinion. Thank goodness most people have more intelligence than to pay attention to your sort of warped morality.
reflex - 04 Jun 2004 15:27 GMT all this talk, and yet not one of you has specified whether a woman who spreads her legs and nine months later gives birth to a baby whale, well, whether or not that pregnancy should have been aborted, and, if so, in which trimester.
now, I can speculate that if was a baby seal, then the pregnancy would be allowed to go to term so that the myriad doctors overlooking the delivery could, upon its exit from the womb, club it to death (with primitive, splintery, wooden clubs).
but a baby whale?
Pantheras - 04 Jun 2004 18:37 GMT > all this talk, and yet not one of you has specified whether a > woman who spreads her legs and nine months later gives birth to a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > but a baby whale? I believe they blow them up on the beach in Oregon.
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notritenoteri - 06 Jun 2004 14:39 GMT a stiff clit has no conscience nor any smarts.
> > On 3 Jun 2004 09:49:24 -0700, savetheamoeba@hotmail.com (Ann Amoeba) > > wrote:> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > being in the service of your own personal gratification. How > disgraceful. sparky@here.now - 07 Jun 2004 12:38 GMT > Human beings are only 'valuable' to other human beings who are > arrogant enough to think they're important. Amen to that. Plants and animals are all of equal importance. You completly remove one and you really f.ck up the ecosystem.
Mother Carmela Cassini - 08 Jun 2004 20:20 GMT > > Human beings are only 'valuable' to other human beings who are > > arrogant enough to think they're important. > > Amen to that. Plants and animals are all of equal importance. You completly > remove one and you really f.ck up the ecosystem. Except where ATers are concerned. Remove them and the ecosystem flourishes.
notritenoteri - 04 Jun 2004 14:02 GMT Dead babies yo say let us guess which side of the great abortion debate you live on. Dumpsters? what a great waste. Where's the knacker man? Where is the solent green factory surely there must be a return for refund scheme?
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Cat_Sk
> > > inning/Cat_Skinning.htm > > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yeppers, save the whales! Omicron Delta Pineapple - 04 Jun 2004 01:41 GMT > Human beings are infinitely more valuable than felines. Hm. Depends on the feline. I would venture to say that any one of my resident cats is infinitely more valuable than the average urban camper, member of al-Quaeda, Michael Jackson, or John Kerry.
ODP
Kristine Kochanski - 04 Jun 2004 11:16 GMT >> Human beings are infinitely more valuable than felines. > >Hm. Depends on the feline. I would venture to say that any one of my >resident cats is infinitely more valuable than the average urban camper, >member of al-Quaeda, Michael Jackson, or John Kerry. Well said, Mr Pineapple!
Ann Amoeba - 04 Jun 2004 17:15 GMT > > Human beings are infinitely more valuable than felines. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ODP I own two house cats I've had for going on twelve years. I love them dearly. As you suggest, they, too, are indeed more valuable than al-Quaeda, Michael Jackson, or John Kerry.
But more to the point, I once owed a hamster and he also qualifies as more valuable than al-Quaeda, Michael Jackson, or John Kerry - especially Kerry. It's a tossup as to whether the bacteria in my toilet qualify. With Kerry, my money is on the latest turd flushed down it.
Ann
Pantheras - 04 Jun 2004 18:46 GMT > I own two house cats I've had for going on twelve years. I love them > dearly. As you suggest, they, too, are indeed more valuable than > al-Quaeda or John Kerry. Ann dear I have a web site for you to pass on to your mother
http://www.research.umbc.edu/~melissa3/portfolio/digitalart/intarwebart/postnata l/postnatal.htm
and tell her it is not to late to correct her mistake.
Now I have another web site just for you
http://www.bonsaikitten.com/
We here in AT really like Bonsai kitties.
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Dawn - 05 Jun 2004 03:20 GMT > > I own two house cats I've had for going on twelve years. I love them > > dearly. As you suggest, they, too, are indeed more valuable than > > al-Quaeda or John Kerry. > > Ann dear I have a web site for you to pass on to your mother And I have some botulinin toxin to pass on to your mother. Let's green up the planet with her in the soil. After all, if her only contribution was you, it's about time her organs sprouted some daisies, or tulips, or something else actually useful to mankind. Dawn
Ay Eye - 05 Jun 2004 12:05 GMT > And I have some botulinin toxin to pass on to your mother. Let's green > up the planet with her in the soil. After all, if her only > contribution was you, it's about time her organs sprouted some > daisies, or tulips, or something else actually useful to mankind. Now you're getting into the spirit of a.t!
Be as disappointed as you LIKE about MY family! My mother died, raped and strangled, in a field at age 33, my father in a puddle of his own puke (alcohol poisoning the DCT reads) both before I turned 5. And good riddance! I only wish she'd had her tubes tied at age eight! -- Swan
Ay Eye
Luvskats00 - 07 Jun 2004 00:37 GMT > I own two house cats I've had for >going on twelve years. I love them > dearly. As you suggest, they, too, >are indeed more valuable than >al-Quaeda or John Kerry. Own them? I doubt it...you're actually working for them <g>.
sparky@here.now - 03 Jun 2004 02:41 GMT
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