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cat pees on things--help!
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coloradoskibum - 01 Jun 2004 17:56 GMT I have a 5-year-old male cat (neutered) who has recently started urinating on things other than in the litter box. He is declawed, so he can't be converted to an outdoor cat. This behavior started a couple of months ago, I think because he was not feeling well; I noticed blood in his urine, so I think that was his way of letting us know that something was wrong. That condition has been treated and has cleared up now, but he's still peeing on things--he has a particular fondness for plastic bags, but really he'll pee on anything--clothing, boxes, pretty much anything that's left on the floor that isn't furniture.
We don't want to get rid of this cat, because the outcome is a foregone conclusion--nobody wants an indoor cat that pees on things! But we can't deal with this much longer. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to do about this?
Sherry - 01 Jun 2004 18:12 GMT >We don't want to get rid of this cat, because the outcome is a foregone >conclusion--nobody wants an indoor cat that pees on things! But we can't >deal with this much longer. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to >do about this? I'd almost bet a paycheck that the original urinary tract issue either wasn't resolved, or has returned. Take him back to the vet. Something's wrong. Sometimes that behavior that originally started with the UTI simply becomes ingrained as a habit, which I've heard of happening. But I'd sure get a thorough work-up before assuming anything. Good luck. It's a tough situation, I know.
Sherry
coloradoskibum - 01 Jun 2004 19:07 GMT : Sometimes that behavior that originally started with the UTI simply becomes : ingrained as a habit, which I've heard of happening. This is what I fear--and if this is the case, is there anything that can be done to break him of the habit? I thought that simply making sure there wasn't anything on the floor for him to pee on for a while would do the trick, but it isn't working so far. Tell a 13-year-old to not leave anything on the floor!
M.C. Mullen - 01 Jun 2004 20:00 GMT | : Sometimes that behavior that originally started with the UTI simply | becomes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | trick, but it isn't working so far. Tell a 13-year-old to not leave | anything on the floor! Well, he might get the message if he has to start cleaning the pee away. Put your foot down ... As far as the cat is concerned he seems to have a serious problem. I take it you have checked the urine if there's blood?
Carola
Sherry - 01 Jun 2004 21:46 GMT >This is what I fear--and if this is the case, is there anything that can be >done to break him of the habit? Oh, man. Besides making sure the litter box is squeaky clean and there's at least two of them, I don't know. If he's peeing on sacks simply because he *wants* to pee on a sack, you can't "make" him stop. My cat did this with towels. What I eventually did was deliberately leave one towel in the floor, just for him. That way, he doesn't go on the carpet at least. I'm such an enabler.
Sherry
coloradoskibum - 04 Jun 2004 04:51 GMT Well thanks to everybody who replied; he did indeed have another UTI, so he's back on antibiotics and anti-inflammatories for pain. It's a lotta fun giving a cat a pill twice a day! But he hasn't peed on anything since I brought him home from the vet last night.
m. L. Briggs - 04 Jun 2004 05:46 GMT >Well thanks to everybody who replied; he did indeed have another UTI, so >he's back on antibiotics and anti-inflammatories for pain. It's a lotta fun >giving a cat a pill twice a day! But he hasn't peed on anything since I >brought him home from the vet last night. This is a bad situztion. However, we shall purr hard for her safe return. MLB
M.C. Mullen - 04 Jun 2004 15:42 GMT | Well thanks to everybody who replied; he did indeed have another UTI, so | he's back on antibiotics and anti-inflammatories for pain. It's a lotta fun | giving a cat a pill twice a day! But he hasn't peed on anything since I | brought him home from the vet last night. My dog had repeated UTI. Then it turned out that she had a bladder stone. You may have to get the cat x-rayed. Such stones irritate and cause UTI.
Carola
MaryL - 01 Jun 2004 18:20 GMT > I have a 5-year-old male cat (neutered) who has recently started urinating > on things other than in the litter box. He is declawed, so he can't be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > deal with this much longer. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to > do about this? Three suggestions: (1) First, and most important -- as Sherry suggested, your cat needs to be checked to be sure that he isn't still suffering from UTI. Inappropriate urination is one of the first (and most obvious) signs. (2) Do you have more than one litter box? Many cats will not use the same box for both pee and poop, at least part of the time. If you have only one box, get a second one -- and you might also want to experiment with different varieties of litter. I suggest clumping litter, but there is a considerable amount of variation from "very soft" to "more coarse," and cats do show preferences. (3) Are you sure this is urination and not spraying? Declawed cats (even when neutered) are more likely to spray than clawed cats. If so, this may be a behavioral problem. I would start dealing with this issue by setting up 2 or 3 plug-in Feliway dispensers.
MaryL
coloradoskibum - 01 Jun 2004 19:05 GMT : (3) Are you sure this is urination and not spraying? Declawed cats (even : when neutered) are more likely to spray than clawed cats. If so, this may : be a behavioral problem. I would start dealing with this issue by setting : up 2 or 3 plug-in Feliway dispensers. Oh no, this is definitely not spraying. I was sitting on the sofa watching TV earlier today, and there was a box on the floor next to me. He climbed into the box and squatted, and started to pee in the box right next to me! I grabbed him and tossed him into the litter box, where it *appeared* that he was urinating, then 5 minutes later he went into my son's bedroom and peed on a Target bag which was on the floor.
These plug-in Feliway dispensers, what are those?
MaryL - 01 Jun 2004 19:21 GMT > : (3) Are you sure this is urination and not spraying? Declawed cats (even > : when neutered) are more likely to spray than clawed cats. If so, this may [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > These plug-in Feliway dispensers, what are those? Feliway is used for behavior modification and can be very useful in reducing stress. It is available in plug-in diffusers (with refills available) and as a spray. I used the plug-ins so it can be working all the time. A spray version is also available. It is excellent for an occasional use, such as spraying the carrier about 20 minutes before you take your cat to the vet, but the plug-in diffuser is better for long-term use because it releases premeasured doses. (In your case, I would definitely recommend the plug-in version.) Refills can be purchased for the dispenser. One bottle lasts a little more than a month.
I ordered mine from ValleyVet (http://www.valleyvet.com). They have better prices than most others, and there is no charge for shipping (but you would need to verify this because the "free shipping" is often based on a minimum order). The last time I checked, they listed Feliway for $29.95 for a diffuser with one bottle of Feliway. It is also available as a spray for $15.95.
Here are a couple of other sources for Feliway:
www.petguys.com ? Feliway plug-in dispenser and one bottle = at one time, they had a sale price of $20.99, so it would definitely be worth checking www.petfooddirect.com ? I don?t have pricing information, but PetFoodDirect has been a reliable source for me when ordering other supplies
Here is a link to a study by Ohio State University:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/11/001129074611.htm
There is also a "cat attract" cat litter that some people (including my sister) have found helpful if regular litter isn't effective. I will be glad to look up the source if you want the information. I understand that the same company now sells an "additive" to add to regular (clumping) litter, but I haven't talked to anyone who has used that.
I hope some of this helps.
MaryL
zuzu22@webtv.net - 03 Jun 2004 03:30 GMT > He climbed into the box and squatted, > and started to pee in the box right next [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > he went into my son's bedroom and peed > on a Target bag which was on the floor. You need to take this cat back to the vet *immediately.* This is NOT the behavior of a cat that is peeing out of "habit." A cat with a UTI will exhibit frequent urination (trying to pee in several places within just a few minutes) which is what your cat is doing, and my guess is he is in quite a bit of pain. It's especially likely because he recently had a UTI. If he does have a UTI and is developing crystals, he could easily become blocked and will DIE if not treated.
If you are feeding dry food, and especially free-feeding, you are creating a climate where UTI's can frequently reoccur. Dry food has been shown to cause or exacerbate urinary tract problems in cats, and canned food is not only healthier, but a more species appropriate diet whereas dry food is not. I posted an article about this awhile back that can be found here: http://www.catnutrition.org/Catkins.htm The rest of the site and the resoueces page are excellent and worth reading as well.
Please get your cat to a vet right away and switch him to a canned only diet to help prevent this problem from happening again and again.
Megan
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The Grim Reaper - 02 Jun 2004 23:08 GMT > I have a 5-year-old male cat (neutered) who has recently started urinating > on things other than in the litter box. He is declawed, so he can't be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > deal with this much longer. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to > do about this? Gwt a low-powered air pistol. (1.77) and wne he start's to pee, shoot the little bastard with a wad of chewed-up paper.
He'll get the message.
The Grim Reaper
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