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jb - 23 May 2004 22:16 GMT
I have some kittens, approx 4 weeks old. one kitten, 2 days ago stopped
using it's back legs. gradually at first, stretching them out strait, now
there just loose and it drags them behind(over a period of 1 day). It has
good energy, it's now the runt of the litter as far as size. It will eat
canned food from my finger but not from the plate(Pet Gold). I took them,
the sick one and a couple of others and the mother to the local vet and he
said they had worms(no stool was examined). I gave them the worm pill,
crushed and mixed in the food but he still isn't walking correctly, no
movement at all in the rear legs. The worm pill was light green, the size of
a tylonol with PRATEL on the aluminum package, I was directed to give 1/8
pill for each kitten and 1/4 for each cat. I'm currently in Bosnia so I dont
know how experienced the local vet is with cats. The kitten has also mostly
lost it's voice. It will feed also from the mother if it's around, anytime
there nursing I make sure to move this one there also if it's not there.
It's not lethargic, it has energy.
Should I treat again with medicine? Could another vet give an injection? Is
it even worms that's causing this?

nothing is broke, I can move the legs into a "tucked in" position and the
cat will keep them there and I can see a twitch every once in a while but no
attempt to stand and If i stand it up it immediatly slumps down to just its
front legs.

Sorry if this is too long or if I left something out.

any advice is greatly appriciated.
jay b
Gene Royer - 23 May 2004 23:02 GMT
> I have some kittens, approx 4 weeks old. one kitten, 2 days ago stopped
> using it's back legs. gradually at first, stretching them out strait, now
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> any advice is greatly appriciated.
> jay b

This is a troll.  Ignore it.
jb - 23 May 2004 23:02 GMT
> This is a troll.  Ignore it.

no it's not!!! My kitten is sick!!
Dik F. Liu - 23 May 2004 23:17 GMT
I doubt that Jay B is a troll. He wrote about these kittens in a thread from
about two weeks ago. The thread is legit.

Jay, I don't know how helpful this is. But you call call Cornell School of
Veterinary Medicine, which has a feline consultation line.  The # is 800-548-
8937. The charge is about $45.00 but the vet will spend as much time as needed,
will ask a gazillion questions and offer insight that your local vet might not
have.

Good luck,

Dik
jb - 23 May 2004 23:53 GMT
> I doubt that Jay B is a troll. He wrote about these kittens in a thread from
> about two weeks ago. The thread is legit.
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>
> Dik

thanks for the number, I'll try them tomorrow from base. 800 from my house
is quite expensive.
jb - 23 May 2004 23:59 GMT
> This is a troll.  Ignore it.

I posted an image of the pill package for you to
alt.binaries.pictures.animals  (closest binary group I could find)

tried to send to your email first but got this:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

      siregeno@Mindset.net
Gene Royer - 24 May 2004 00:25 GMT
> > This is a troll.  Ignore it.
>
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>
>        siregeno@Mindset.net

Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I'm sure impressed.

--Geno
Natalie - 26 May 2004 11:03 GMT
> > > This is a troll.  Ignore it.
> >
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>
> --Geno

You aren't doing a bad job of doing what you suggested others to do.
~*Connie*~ - 23 May 2004 23:48 GMT
I don't know anything about the meds the vet offered, but if you had to give
1/8th of a pill to the kitten and 1/4 of it to the mother, then I doubt it
was something made for cats.

Worms would not cause a kitten to not use its legs.  Toxicity from medicine
might though.  Did it start before the deworming (it does sound like it did,
but I wanted to ask)

Could the kitten have injured himself (other than breaking a leg).  Could be
neurological... Could also be distemper.. although if the cat is not acting
like it is in pain, I would tend to rule that out.

I would recommend a new vet.. Deworming for lameness is not a good thing.

> I have some kittens, approx 4 weeks old. one kitten, 2 days ago stopped
> using it's back legs. gradually at first, stretching them out strait, now
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> any advice is greatly appriciated.
> jay b
jb - 23 May 2004 23:56 GMT
> I don't know anything about the meds the vet offered, but if you had to give
> 1/8th of a pill to the kitten and 1/4 of it to the mother, then I doubt it
> was something made for cats.

they mostly treat sheep and cattle here (really)

> Worms would not cause a kitten to not use its legs.  Toxicity from medicine
> might though.  Did it start before the deworming (it does sound like it did,
> but I wanted to ask)

yes, started before, was hoping this would fix it

> Could the kitten have injured himself (other than breaking a leg).  Could be
> neurological... Could also be distemper.. although if the cat is not acting
> like it is in pain, I would tend to rule that out.

cat shows no sign of pain, drags itself around 'happily'

> I would recommend a new vet.. Deworming for lameness is not a good thing.
will try that also. slim pickings around here though.
M.C. Mullen - 24 May 2004 00:58 GMT
| > I would recommend a new vet.. Deworming for lameness is not a good thing.
| will try that also. slim pickings around here though.

Rabbits get this often: When they make a quick move the spine gets hurt and
it shows in lameness.
The next thing would be that they attract flies who lay their eggs in the
anus. Can the kitten clean itself?

I don't believe that the diagnosis of the vet is correct although the
worming was certainly a good thing. Btw it should be repeated after three
weeks because then the worms that are in eggs now will appear.
The tablets could be OK: 1 for a cat over 4kg, 1/2 for under and 1/8 for a
kitten.

Carola
B&S - 24 May 2004 03:50 GMT
> I don't know anything about the meds the vet offered, but if you had to give
> 1/8th of a pill to the kitten and 1/4 of it to the mother, then I doubt it
> was something made for cats.

http://www.lek.si/eng/animal-health/animal-products/vademecum/pratel/

This site says that with Pratel tablets containing 50 mg of praziquantel and
144 mg of pyrantel embonate (I don't know the strength the vet gave you), an
adult cat would get 1/2 tablet for deworming and a young cat 1/4 tablet.
So, for a very young kitten, maybe 1/8 tablet is appropriate for treatment
of worms.  It says there are no know side effects of the medication.  Most
of the sites I found were in a foreign language I didn't recognize.

Anyway, like others have said, deworming isn't an appropriate treatment for
lameness.  Is it possible some other animal stepped on him?  Did the vet X
ray the kitty?  Yeesh.  The symptoms of worms (on the websites) are nothing
like you describe:

http://www.lek.si/eng/animal-health/animal-products/pratel/

Hopefully there are some vets where you are right now that have some
experience with companion animals.  Try to find one and take the kitten
there.

Good luck,

Shelly

> Worms would not cause a kitten to not use its legs.  Toxicity from medicine
> might though.  Did it start before the deworming (it does sound like it did,
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> > any advice is greatly appriciated.
> > jay b
Mary - 24 May 2004 04:12 GMT
>I have some kittens, approx 4 weeks old. one kitten, 2 days ago stopped
>using it's back legs. gradually at first, stretching them out strait, now
>there just loose and it drags them behind(over a period of 1 day).

Hmm, if it didn't happen instantly, it may not be from an accident. A spinal
injury will cause the kitten to drag it's rear legs just about instantly.
Sometimes blood clots also cause this. Some infant animals also have a genetic
disorder where the nerves stop sending impulses to their lower extremities. I
take it the vet felt no injury along the spine. Do you feel a bump on the
spine? even just a slight swelling? If you pinch its toes or tail, does it
withdraw or react at all? Trying to see if he just lost motor control or
sensation. Can he poo/pee or does it just dribble out? If he is paralyzed, he
may need help pooing and peeing. I have to express paralyzed squirrels, skunks
and kittens or they can get toxic from a buildup of urine. I think your vet is
experienced with farm animals but not pets. They  just euthanize paralyzed farm
animals so they don't know much about paralysis.

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